>>687779173
Im against dumbass gun ownership

>>687779173

I'm not.

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>>687779173
because most of the civilians who want to own guns are the ones who should least be allowed to.

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I don't like the idea of that picture, not even a little.
But rights are rights and shit.

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>>687779173
I own guns, but not for self defence. Guns make bad situations worse. If someone just wants to rob you, they're probably not wanting to kill you too - unless you put a gun in their face.

>>687779173
while they're down the sizzler stuffing their faces niggers break in and steal the guns and then kill people with them at the next chimpout

>>687779895
So what's you suggestion? Am I allowed to include my stuff in self defence?

>>687779895
all those scopes
you blind?

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>>687780313
If somebody was robbing me I would leave my guns locked up. Thy're not going to do me any good. Even if I could pop the theif, it's likely just some kid having struggling with money, or trying to feed his addiction to drugs. He's not worth the 3 month court hearing that would inevitably follow for a $1000 TV or whatever he's after - besides, it's all insured anyway.

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>>687780314
Nope, I just like taking them to the range and out popping rabbits and such, just makes it easier for me as I'm often shooting 50-100m+

>>687780851
I shoot a 308 with peep sites at the range
scopes are for people who can't shoot

>>687779173
why is family pictured against pupper gun ownership?

>>687779895
>Guns make bad situations worse
Can't support that generalisation. You must have seen the video where two scum start to rob a store, guy with concealed carry shoots one, the other runs? Gun made that bad situation get better pretty damn quick (and removed one piece of scum from the earth as a beneficial side-effect)

>>687780314
>all those scopes
>you blind?
bad troll. All my rifles have scopes because I like to hit what I shoot at.
And before you wobble on about "muh purity" scope > iron sights

>>687781139
see
>>687781407

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>>687781139
You sure must have a big penis with a comment like that. I guess I use scopes because when I go shooting I'm not trying to impress anybody.

>>687781229
until part two: dead scums homies/relative come for revenge and shoot store guy while he's unlocking his rolla door

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>>687781229
Robbers may just be going through a tough time, money would have likely been insured anyway so no real loss to the store, if anything the store would probably be closed for a few days whilst the 5-0 carry out an investigation resulting in the store being unable to trade/sell stuff, if they had just let them go and called the police they'd be back open the next day selling shit.

>>687779691
not an argument.

>>687781407
>I like to hit what I shoot at
you would if you had any skill
lazy faggots who want to play hunter should stay at home

>>687781229
Wow. You just found a single story proving the contrary.

Overall, I think, guns make bad situations worse indeed. Only think about the sheer amount of folks with personality disorders (eg. anti-social or borderline) or other psychiatric diseases. Give their impulsiveness or anger some easy tool and people get wounded or killed.

>>687780761
cuckery at its finest, this is some next level reddit/tumber shit. No joke, go kill yourself.

>>687781561
The guy with the carry was a random customer, so not going to happen.

I appreciate you're valiantly defending your lost cause, and guns can make bad situations worse (and it will usually get worse for someone involved) but, assuming you're this anon >>687779895
your generalisation falls

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>>687781407
I like my scopes because they make it easier for me, not to say I cant shoot without them, and my firearms more often than not are used as a tool to kill off wild pests on my property, not to show off my 1337 COD sniping 360 no-scope skillz.

>>687781506
>brings up penis size
so I guess you have a small one since you immediately go there
and you should be trying to impress people
impress upon them that you have at least some competence while holding a deadly weapon

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>>687781920
If it's me commenting I'll post a pic of my guns :)

Guns are cool, and sure people should have if they want, but the whole gun culture in America as tools for self defence in my opinion is what causes the problems you all have.

>>687780761
britfag here, so I cannot own for self-defence. But your attitude is why people think they can steal your $1000 TV. There have to be consequences. I've been burgled twice and I'd happily have ventilated them had I been home.

And if you keep getting robbed, your premiums will become eye-watering, until eventually you become uninsurable.

>>687781731
This childish logic is amazing, just amazing. Are you mad ??? How the fuck can you support robbers that could potentially bankrupt a business or rob an already poor family... You dear sir are a child, one that lives in his own little made up paradise where everyone loves each other and people would never shoot you, so we should just let them steal.

>>687781920
so random people have no friends or family that might want revenge?
if you want to live in the wild west then there are consequences
and I'm not that anon

>>687782058
I can be safe with firearms without having to show off to people I can shoot super accurate over reasonably long-ish distances without a scope... What a silly argument.

If I miss, the rabbit gets away, so I use a scope so I make sure I get it first time every time. You're super accurate, blah blah blah good for you don't care.

>>687782058
Calm down Rambo we all know you killed fiddy men back in dubya dubya too.

>>687779173
It's unnecessary. Do you really need to be packing heat if nobody else is?

>>687781865
>Wow. You just found a single story proving the contrary.
No, I provided just one example. I could offer many more.
>Give their impulsiveness or anger some easy tool and people get wounded or killed.
You're now shifting your argument. When did I say I was for universal and unfettered gun ownership without licences and checks? You can argue that unbalanced people shouldn't have access to knives or cars either.

>>687782163
>whole gun culture in America
>problems you all have
I'm British

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>>687782236
My paradise isn't made up, I call it New Zealand, so do most people on the Earth.

I'm not supporting robbers, I'm just leaving it for the Police & insurance companies to deal with. Putting a bullet in some kids head isn't the solution to all problems when he may have wronged you.

>>687782426
Also this was me, forgot pic :)

>>687781407
but.... but.... Call of Duty

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>>687782671
Then you shouldn't have any problems with gun violence then :D

>>687782673
I don't often agree with kiwis, but you're right.

>>687779173
Gun ownership serves for self-defence, banning guns causes more robberies (statistics, I know its hard to do but just check them), no to mention that the 2. Amendment was created so people could have firearms in case the government became corrupt or a dictatorship. That is what the fucking guns are for, so people can form small armed forces to combat an oppressive government. Most school shooters have a mental disability, they need treatment not a ban on guns, and even if they were banned, they could still get a hold of one if they really wanted to.

>>687779173
Not against it at all OP
In fact I iown one (.357) and will be getting a shotgun very soon
(Right price right type etc etc)
What I'm against is stupid wanks who've got such a hard on for their assault rifles they need to carry them into Starbucks and 7-11. Saw this a lot in Nevada where I live because of they're very liberal<-lol irony. Use of open carry. And yea it makes me nervous standing next to some dude holding a fully loaded assault rifle whether I'm armed or not, and if your not your danger sense is broken.

>>687782673
>Putting a bullet in some kids head isn't the solution to all problems when he may have wronged you.
He'll never rob anyone again. No chance of re-offending. No cost to the country keeping him in jail. Choices. He made them. They turned out to be bad ones. There are always consequences

>>687782426
>wanting to get it first time everytime
your life is boring

>>687781731
Eric get off 4chan

>>687782780
Ironically, the only problem we have is with illegal firearms. Which is why the government keeps trying to introduce stricter controls on legal gun ownership. Go figure.

>>687779173
because americans fucked up

>>687782673
Yes it is, if he is threatening your well-being, or your life, it is the ONLY ANSWER. But hey, if you are willing to die for your ideals, who am I to stop you, just don't propagate this bullshit to people who are uninformed, you might cause someone to lose their lives.

>>687782940
You like wounding quarry?

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>>687782837
America was spot on with their constitution amendment I think, back in the 1800's when a militia was a genuine threat to an invading nation.

These days an armed populace isn't going to stand a chance in a war fought with drones, tanks and fighter jets.

I don't necessarily agree that guns should be banned, they are great tools, people just need to stop using them to resolve disputes :)

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>>687782811
Chur chur bro.

>>687779173
because niggers exist. You don't want them with guns.

>>687782673
no scope on your shotguns?
surprising

>>687779173
I'm not. I'm one of them crazy gun nuts who wants the Hughes amendment gone with suppressors and SBRs completely removed from the NFA. I'd also like to see notable infringers get prison time for constantly trying to violate the highest law in the land.

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>>687783073
You must think pretty highly of yourself if you think someone is breaking into your house for the sole purpose of killing you.

>>687783124
Disputes are rarely resolved with guns. People don't just off other people because of a disagreement, they do it out of self defence, but I'm just going to leave now, because this conversation is going nowhere.

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>>687782940
My life is fun, and exciting but sometimes I just like getting the job done quickly and easily.

I'm actually a huge fan of cars, and I put my time into them, I'm not exactly a hunting/firearms enthusiast, they're just tools mostly.

>>687782883
Wow what a dangerous edge lord you are. Careful fellas this guys lives so close to the fringe. Human life is such a bother. Bet you wish you could blow then all away

>>687783281
>Psychopaths don't exist
>Serial killers don't exist
>Dumb fucking niggers who doesn't want you to talk after you catch them robbing you don't exist

>>687783281
>IFIFIFIFIFIFIFIIFIFIFIFIFIFIFIIFIFIFIFIFIFIFIFIF
can you not read, I literally wrote IF, and in the majority of cases, someone will physically assault you or even worse kill you, so he can rob you ( He doesn't do this on purpose, but in that tense situation, It can (and frequently does happen).

>>687779173
I have so much hair in my ads that when I poop it just hangs there

Guns don't have to be illegal in general. They only need to be illegal in the United States.

Americans have built up an unhealthy obsession with guns. In American culture, guns are the solution to everything. American gun-lovers are much more likely to use their guns wrongly and unnecessarily than gun owners from other countries.

The American baby has proven unable to handle its toys. Now the toys need to be taken away.

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>>687783359
Please stay. Just because we disagree don't mean one of us has to go :D

*Bumping with my cars (Past & present) now

>>687783074
good learning tool for a kid
teaches him to shoot well
and track
I guess newzealanders can't be bothered to do much else but pop off shots from the back of the ute arse down in a foldy chair with a dozen scoped rifles arrayed around them, better not hit farmed frodos sheep tho

>>687779173
Because civilians gun owners kill more people then terrorists in the same periode of time.

>>687783592
>evidence lacking
I don't even live in America and you have made the stupidest non-argument I have ever seen

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>>687783557
We don't really have a problem with them here in New Zealand? Is America a haven for these kinds of people? Perhaps we should look at why this is the case, instead of how to kill them.

>>687783460
theres the big game rabbit ute in the back!
must be exciting to drive out of town on Saturday and terrorize the bunnies

>>687783559
Woah there buddy, calm down. I suppose in the extremely rare occasion that someone is actively trying to kill you yeah, it is a possible resolution. But then if you've got yourself into that situation you're probably not 100% innocent yourself either.

>>687783754
The US is by far and away the first world leader in gun-related deaths. It's a fact. This is evidence.

>>687783766
That is exactly what the conservatives/republicans are proposing- to have the mentally ill people examined, and to not allow them to own guns.

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>>687783924
Some fun times have definitely been had in the Ole' Suzuki!

>>687783991
Also this is me too.

>>687784072
>citation needed

>>687783626
I'm a Brit. I learnt to shoot on the range with iron sights. No-one would stalk these days with iron sights - with a good scope you can place a bullet within a 6" guaranteed kill box at 150 yards; with iron sights on the same rifle you'd hit the deer.

>>687784123
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-compare-to-other-countries/

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>>687784083
I don't really follow politics in 'The land of the free' so I can't comment too much on parties etc but I know a good idea when I hear it and that sounds pretty reasonable!

>>687784072
Unfortunately, the statistic show that per 1m population the USA is not top of the list.

Because America is a huge country with large population. And I'm not even American so I'd love the stereotype to be true - but it's not

>>687784072
is south Africa still first world or has it slipped back into third?

>>687784083
>>687784258
The overwhelming majority of gun-related incidents are committed by people who are not mentally ill. This simply isn't a solution to anything.

>>687783766
We have a nigger problem. Where I'm at it really doesn't exist, but if you go to a place like Detroit or Chicago and venture into the wrong neighborhood or even live there for some fucked up reason you'll see the problem in action soon enough.

A lot of these fucks are in and out of prison and just keep doing it. You also don't have time to try and reform them when they are victimizing you. I've got an AK and a Px4 that are both a hell of a lot more effective at stopping a threat than trying to convince Tyronecius La'da'warian Lopez III that he should rethink his life.

>>687784348
I'd say it's not. But the definition is admittedly blurry. Either way, South Africa is the only country that could compete with the US in this respect.

>>687781229
Untrained man fires gun in public area possibly killing innocent.

>better

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>>687783626
I learned to shoot with an old .22 rimfire, iron sights as I think most people did, I found it's easier with a scope so I use one? Where's this whole macho attitude from?

>>687784172
Exactly right, sure I can be accurate without a scope, but I can be even more accurate with one, so obviously we use them.

>>687784315
No. These figures are per capita, i.e. the absolute population figures have nothing to do with the statistics. Learn to read.

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>>687784481
Gold.

>>687779173
im not. but im somewhat against ur use of the term civilian, stating citizen.

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>>687784244
The United States has way more citizens that any of those countries, of course the gun deaths will be higher.

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>>687784367
It may not be a 100% fix-it solution, but if America can't agree that keeping firearms out of the hands of mentally ill people is a half decent idea, America needs to have a good hard look at itself.

>>687784711
You seriously don't understand what per capita means?
Please tell me you're retarded.

>>687784367
>citation needed.

>>687784172
>no-one
people do it all the time
and not everyone gets 150 yards of open space
try hunting wild boars in the scrub gullies of western queensland Australia
scopes are fine, I was teasing the kiwi because he had one on every rifle he had

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>>687784423
I suppose I can't comment too much on specifics like this kind of thing, but New Zealand definitely has some pretty rough neighbourhoods, you may get mugged but you definitely won't get shot dead in the process.

All they might want is your wallet, not your life.

>>687784758
Not all mentally ill people are violent, or likely to become violent. It's a bullshit idea altogether. Mentally ill people are much more likely to be victims of violence than perpetrators. People with paranoid delusions probably shouldn't have guns. But there's no reason to discriminate against people with, let's say, Tourette's syndrome or anorexia. Not all mental illness is the same.

>>687784785
sorry, I didn't actually read the whole thing. In any case that happens because of the shootings(committed by the mentally ill) that are frequent.

>>687784868
>pig hunting with anything other than dog and knife
Shiggy diggy doo
Fucking poofter ausfags

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>>687784868
Oh you're such a tease >.<

I've probably got 20-30 firearms all up, some have scopes, some don't. I personally prefer the scoped rifles as it's simply easier. I've got a few older WW2/WW1 antiques that are original without scopes, Arisaka, Gewehr 43, VZ24 etc.

>>687779691
Ok, so despite your prejudice against his appearances, is he wrong? Because what he's saying doesn't sound crazy to me. He might feel his rights are being infringe upon, which they are, and he has the right to wear that weaponry. He's shouting because he's not only upset that his rights are being violated, but everyone else's are as well. Yet people feel comfortable when they don't need something immediately, since we have been living in an era of instant gratification.

You only go to the store when you need something but what do you do when all the stores in the country shut down because some vegans figure selling meat is cruel. Seriously. You might think this guy is nuts but a good businessman will scam you and make you feel like you're getting a great deal. You'll be made to feel like it's a good thing to give up your rights. Like you'll be safer in a world without guns... but it's not a world without guns. It's a world where you are no longer given the option or freedom to defend yourself from guns. Because your katana or zweihander, whatever you want to call it, isn't going to do shit against someone with a pistol from 20 feet away.

>>687784840
>>687785074
Wrong. Less than 5% of gun crimes in the US are committed by mentall ill people.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4318286/

>>687785000
I don't know
if a tourettes guy had a gun in a highly charged situation and started yelling FUCK SHIT CUNTY FUCKFUCK it might just start the shooting

>>687784072
That's complete and utter bullshit but people that spout this one are usually so far anti it's not worth the time to seriously argue.

We're not even in the top half, you take out the ghetto infested hellholes with tons of "gun control" laws and we are near the very bottom. Bill Whittle did a video very specifically about this.

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>>687785000
I suppose that's a valid point I hadn't considered, though I'm sure there would be a certain definition of an illness that would exclude you from firearm ownership until it's resolved and I doubt it would include Tourettes.

>>687784569
Per capita the USA is 23rd
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownership-world-list#data
Download the data and sort on deaths per 100,000
love the final ad hominem, by the way. Always helps and argument.

>>687783491
Note how much support you got there, Sport?

>>687784840
>>687785074
>>687785279
In addition, studies show that mentally ill people are LESS likely than the general population to commit gun crime. It's literally the opposite. It makes more sense to ban mentally healthy people from owning guns than it does banning mentally ill people from owning guns. That's how stupid this argument really is.

>>687782673
It's New Zealand. If you shoot anyone, that's an automatic court hearing. Not only that, we don't have Castle Law or Stand your Ground Doctrine.

In self defence you must attempt to avoid harm first. If this is not possible, you are allowed to use force proportional to the situation. Often this means if someone breaks into your house and punches you, it would be difficult to argue that shooting him was proportional force.

I'm not saying it's good, but it's what the law is.

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Look at all these silly people citing 'evidence' in the form of statistics in a logic based discussion. C'mon guys, use your minds, not Google.

>>687785078
I would pay to watch you try and kill a 300 kg boar with a knife and dog
one property owner showed me a cow one of the pigs had flung into the branches of a tree
wish we had found that fucker

>>687785301
That's not how Tourette's syndrome works, but I'll assume this is meant as a joke.

>>687784868
>no-one
>people do it all the time
I was specifically referring to Highland deer stalking and no, no-one does. The ghillie wouldn't allow it - respect for quarry.

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>>687785519
In my opinion, if somebody is shot dead their should always be an investigation and a court hearing. This is one of the things I think New Zealand has got pretty damn right. Human lives are too valuable to shrug them off as 'just a criminal' and leave it at that.

>>687785610
I watched south park
I know how it works
kek

>>687785380
That's why I specified first world countries. Seriously, learn to read. Or become non-retarded.

It's not a huge surprise that third world hellholes have a lot of gun crime.

>>687785730
Not even shot dead. Just shot. Hell, if you put his life in danger, it's a court hearing. There was a case where a crazed guy came into a gun shop with a machete and demanded guns.

The gun owner promptly shot him, because no shit.

It went to court and he narrowly avoided getting sentenced for shooting the robber.

Because I hate it when the population has to learn a sense of responsibility when handeling weapons, I hate it when we give the population a feeling of safety and power, and I hate it when they can defend themselves

>>687779173
I'm against criminals and mentally ill people owning guns, everyone else can enjoy.

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>>687785924
I have no problem with this, it forces people to really think before they act. Your actions will be heavily scrutinised so don't use lethal force unless you absolutely have to - he should have gotten off, but I bet the whole time he was hoping the guy would just leave.

Stealing firearms though is probably one of those grey area thefts that should be very heavily punished.

>>687786163
Considering mentally ill people are less likely than others to commit gun crime, wouldn't it make more sense to ban everybody else from owning guns?

>>687779173
because it is SOOOOO much easier to take what I want from people when I am the only one with a gun.

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>>687786315
The words 'Mentally Ill' are thrown around a lot these days, it's probably a good idea to define them as certain illnesses definitely would cause somebody to be far more likely to act violently.

>>687786634
That's my point. Sadly this has not been picked up by almost anyone in the US gun debate, other than certain progressives.

>>687786488
Sure it is, but why do you feel like you need to steal? Are you living in poverty or something?

>>687786315
Every time there's a school shooting, or a mass murder with one lone gunman it's always linked to mental illness. One way or another if you're batshit crazy and own a gun, something bad is going to happen. I think of guns as a form of defense and a hobby, you get rid of guns and less gun violence might be the consequence. That doesn't mean people won't figure out other ways to hurt/kill each other.

>>687786821
I don't, I was making a point by making an absurd statement.

>>687786914
It's always speculated, but rarely confirmed. Get your facts straight.

>>687786914
I think it is always linked to mental illness because mentally healthy people don't go around killing other people.

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>>687786952
Your point is unclear, just because someone is unarmed doesn't mean they are a target for robbery. Having firearms can have an inverse affect on theft, even encouraging thieves to target the house.

>>687787249
Factually incorrect.

>>687787054
Speculation doesn't always mean false, you could test the results of both sides of the argument over a given number of years. That's really the only way to gain any facts on the subject. Then again that would put innocent lives on the line in the name of advancing the study of brain chemistry.

Why doesn't the dog own a gun are you against dogs owning a own

>>687787393
no

>>687787416
No, it's adorable.

>>687779691

Based on what? In states where gun ownership was ENFORCED, crime went down by 90%

It's the gun free zones where most gun crime happens. And detroit.

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>>687787445
>>687787415
>>687787393
>>687787054
>>687785827
>>687785380
Why do you people quote/argue statistics in a logic based discussion, they make you sound like some 15 year old kid with Google at his finger tips.

>>687779895

What? Real niggaz execute their victims all the time so there are no witnesses

>>687787672
nope.

>>687787672
WHO CARES ABOUT REALITY WHEN YOU CAN HAVE THOUGHT EXPERIMENTS ABOUT WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN IN MY FANTASY WORLD

>>687784072

Now subtract niggers with illegal weapons

>>687779173
/b/ is against it because 99% of them are either underage or furries which means they're retarded

people who aren't retarded aren't against gun ownership

>>687783608
Guns are used for "disputes" by niggers most commonly. Which make up a large portion of the illicit gun market.

>>687787984
True, the polling demographic on this site is underage, liberal, asexual gender fluid pacifists who don't know what sunlight or sweat feel like.

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>>687787846
Because depending on where you look you can find statistics that contradict themselves everywhere and thus are entirely irrelevant. It turns an interesting discussion into a debate about who has the best statistics, detracting away from the main issue.

I didn't even have to Google that one, it came right out of my own head too!

>>687788200
that is what makes it wrong

>>687787672
The thing is logic goes out the window with mental illness, that's why it's a problem. I'm not specifically talking about anxiety or PTSD, i'm talking about sociopathic behavior. If you lack common human emotion, and can't connect to others in a empathetic way then you're a problem and don't need to be armed.

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If niggers suddenly disappeared from America, the murder rate would drop to that below Belgium.

>>687788200
You are retarded.

>>687782673
Police do fuck all when it comes to sorting out robbers.

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>>687788158
Kid - Hi shop keeper, all I want is your money because I'm heavily in debt and I need to eat, give me your money.

Shopkeeper - No, I'm going to defend myself because you might be trying to kill me.

Kid - I'll kill you first then.

Im not!

I think the society should have more guns.

Why are RPGs and fully automatic guns illegal?
Because the government don't want to be able to protect us.

The bad guys have fully automatic guns and RPGs why shoulden't we?

>>687788200
>rejects the entirety of human knowledge and the scientific method
>claims logical high ground
Yup, retard.

>>687784946

Not that guy, but the crooks here glorify killing and violence. This is why the response is guns.

Additionally, these same people can always get guns regardless of any background checks. It's not even all that hard in the US.

>>687788200
in the US, in 2013, gun related homicides account for less than half a percent of all deaths. that is a statistical fact.

Gun related homicides have been on a decline since then.

If we include suicides in that statistic then all gun related deaths accounted for 1.24 percent of deaths.

Hardly seems like a number to use to go around claiming there is an epidemic.

>>687788446
Kid - Hi shop keeper, all I want is your money because I'm heavily in debt and I need to eat, give me your money.

Shopkeeper - I can't do that young man, I'm in debt and need to eat too. That's why I have a job.

Kid - I'll kill you.

Shopkeeper- You're welcome to do so, as I'm a father and my wife left me a few months ago.
So i'm fucked no matter what, but you have your youth. You can choose to live a better life.

>>687788567
So far when somebody has posted statistics it's just created arguing about the statistics themselves. Explain to us all how that answers 'Why are you against Civilian gun ownership?'.

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>>687783559
do you really need to trot out that over used word "literally" seems to be the word that most mid teen cunts are using nowadays. it neither adds emphasis nor pith to your response so maybe consider not using it? not judgin ya just sayin

>>687788962
the question has been answered here by the people posting the statistics. this is just the conversation being carried on. Are you not familiar with how people converse?

>>687788962
I'm against Americans owning guns because reality has shown they can't handle guns. They kill each other at alarming rates, way way above other countries with similar socio-economic circumstances. As shown by all the statistics provided. This is how the statistics answers the question. Again, learn to read, or learn to be non-retarded.

>>687789208
this is just wrong, and the viewpoint of someone getting their information from other peoples opinions.

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>>687789106
Is calling somebody a retard and claiming they're full of shit the way they normally do it in America?

I'm not familiar with the American way of conversing I suppose then.

>>687779173
Because too many people are retarded

>>687789334
Nope. I got them from objectively reported statistics, which have been linked to in this thread. Learn to read.

>>687789349
I called no one a retard, and are you so naive to think that America is the only country in the world who's population insults people?

>>687789349
You've got America confused with /b/, retard.

>>687789410

You are just wrong, if you think you are correct then i can't help you. Carry on.

>>687789527
>facts are wrong
>if you think facts are facts, I can't help you
Nice argument.

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>>687789208
You can't outright just ban guns, they're a valuable tool. Other countries have laws that allow firearm ownership but they don't have the same level of gun crime.

I suppose I should call you a simpleton back if that's the American way, then you can escalate it by calling me something worse again.

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The United States doesn't have a gun problem. It has a gun education problem. People aren't properly educated about their death dispensers. That goes hand-in-hand with it being too easy to get a hold of them.

Not saying I don't love death dispensers. They're fantastic. :D

>>687789574
Facts are facts, I would not dispute them, your interpretation of the reported statistics, on the other hand.

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>>687789523
Thanks for reminding me where I am, I was being all serious there for a bit, sorry to intrude.

See y'all later fuck tards, enjoy your gun crime hope y'all get murdered by some black African nigger trying to defend your life savings hanging out your back pocket. Rich guy NZ kid out.

>>687789576
This is true, but /b/ doesn't understand nuance very well. If this were a real debate, I'd suggest stronger gun restrictions, abolish the 2nd amendment, rewrite the laws from scratch, and work for major societal change in the attitude toward guns and violence in general. But good luck trying to get btards to understand any of this.

>>687789739
What interpretation? I just linked to the numbers without adding anything.

>>687789874
then you aren't who I was replying to, because this conversation spawned from someone stating that Americans can not handle guns, which is in fact an opinion and an interpretation of reported information.

>>687779173
>>687779173
Im not when it comes to america. We are such a large lroducer of small arms and we have a gun culture and our history/constitution spells out that its something we need. I dont judge other countries for being anti-gun...but here in the states, if your kid blows off his head when he gets into your collection, its fuckin darwinism at its finest.

>>687790193
*producer
Sorry im drunk.

>>687789998
What's stopping you from just reading the numbers for yourself and ignore what some other person added? Are you retarded?

>>687789825

There is no way we could abolish the second amendment. While the attitude changes are an amazing idea, the American people keeping their ability to revolt against the government if need be is absolutely necessary.

Without it, the chances of our government breaking down into a dictatorship rise dramatically, especially with the evil fucks running the country now.

>>687791433
There is zero ability for "the people" to defeat the US military, whether they have guns or not. The 2nd amendment isn't the reason why the US is still regarded a democracy.

>>687780761
Yes but that robber is could rape your daughters, i wouldn't take the chance

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>>687791584

The point isn't that they defeat the military, the point is that the government would have to completely destroy the country (and all of the people they control, which would leave them powerless) in order to remove the people's rights.

Also, given even HALF the chance, the corporate shills in power now would have us enslaved in a nightmare corporatocracy, capitalism corrupted and gone wrong.

The ability to fight back if we need to is fundamental to the well-being of the country.

>>687791584
Retard alert

>>687792039
You're assuming 100% of people would be opposed to the country leadership. Considering a large part of the US population currently support fascism, this would likely also be the case in a scenario where a future dictator has been democratically elected. Again, you have to consider REALITY. You can't just do thought experiments.

>>687792039
If you believe that the situations in that image are remotely similar, you need to kill yourself immediately.

>>687792226

If even 25% of the country revolted, it would tear this place apart.

Not to mention, removing the ability of the populace to carry arms is EXACTLY WHAT EVERY DICTATOR DOES FIRST. Why? TO ENSURE THAT THERE CAN BE NO RESISTANCE.

Hitler did it, Mussolini did it, Stalin, Pol Pot, Castro, and Mao Tze Tung all did it too. Stripping a country of the ability to defend itself from mistreatment is the first step to dictatorship.

>>687792651
Can't help noticing that your examples are all from a different time and/or much less powerful governments.

What do American civilians have that can defend them against the air force, the navy, thousands and thousands of tanks, and nuclear weapons?

Look, if 25% of the country revolted, it would be a major problem. Adding guns to the situation wouldn't make any difference. A quarter of the population in civil disobedience would turn any country apart, since it's effectively a civil war. However, no weapons that would ever be available to United States civilians would do a damn thing in a conflict with the military.

>>687793811

Once again, it isn't about defense of life, it's about defense of the civilization.

Having to kill off an entire quarter or more of your country's population in order to achieve complete control is a TREMENDOUS deterrent. You'd be destroying infrastructure, killing friends and members of the families of the people who you're trying to control (which would only incite more rebellion), and costing yourself a load of resources to do it. Not to mention the political consequences, both domestic and foreign.

It is very literally a rule built into our government that forces it to shoot itself in the foot if it attempts to domineer its people, and it should remain that way, as the failsafe it is.

>>687794503
This would happen regardless of the gun situation in your scenario. You also fail to recognize that if 25% of the population were revolting, that means 75% would oppose the revolution. If the 25% have guns, the 75% does as well. If the 25% doesn't have guns, neither does the 75%. The 2nd amendment has literally no effect on this situation.

Against. As America has shown, a culture of firearms can lead to devastating consequences of guns being misused. I understand that not all countries permitting gun ownership have this problem, but America is an example whereby it can go horribly wrong. Lets say for example, that an influential politician, or an influential figurehead (Perhaps a TV evangelist? America has massive cult followings for those people, look at Jonestown) instructed citizens to buy arms and openly revolt against the government with the intent of placing themselves in power. People like Jim Jones has taught us that cult personalities can be very dangerous, and putting firearms into the equation could be catastrophic.

Secondly, lets be fucking honest here: I know that the military is often outnumbered by civilians in a nation (Except you, North Korea- you do you), but the military is usually better trained, better equipped, and tbfh has access to weapons that a civilian population could only dream of. Even if Evil Dictator attempted to install a police state, or TV Evangelist started a Theocratic Coup, the military would shred through civilians quite easily, when you consider that people are buying guns: not body armour, not tanks, not jeeps, nor are they buying military grade training (necessarily), etc: the military is the military for a reason. It is supposed to be able to fight wars, and so a civilian population in a western nation would be fucked (because lets be honest, we aren't quite as skilled as the Mujahideen) when it came to face-to-face combat.

Short of it: It would cause far more deaths trying to save a failing cause than it would take. Gun ownership does very little; it doesn't provide additional security (if you're got it stored legally; gun in one place, ammo in another), it won't prevent BIG GOVERNMENT taking over your shitty farm, and it won't avert a crisis in the event of invasion. If you have a gun for any reason other than hunting, you're a twat.

i use guns to shoot every niggas who knocks on my door

>>687795311

How do you rebel against men with guns if you can't shoot back? Humans aren't willing to charge headlong into certain death except under extreme circumstance or intense propaganda/brainwashing. You MUST have the psychological kickstarter, or the system fails.

Also, if 25% are activiely revolting, that DOES NOT mean that 75% is fully and completely opposed to it. Members of that 75% include those who for whatever reason don't want to or can't physically fight tyranny, such as the elderly, infirm, and very young. It would be a big mix of loyalist supporters and what is effectively "other".

>>687780761
There is no court hearing, castle doctrine. The police would clear the gun and probably hand it back to you.

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>>687779173
Fucking future pedophile over here.

>>687795802
Sorry, but the demograhics of the 25/75 split would presumably be similar on both sides. If anything, conservative voters tend to be older and less healthy on average, and those are the ones currently threatening democracy in the US.

How do you rebel against nuclear weapons, tanks, bombers, etc, if all you have is a fucking gun? That's the point: you can't. The 2nd amendment doesn't level the playing field, no matter what superpowers you imagine you have.

I gotta go now, so can't keep replying to this. Thread is dead anyway.

>>687796143

I'll leave this for anyone else watching then: You rebel against those by forcing them to fight you at all. It's a lose/lose situation for them.

Sadly, I must go as well. Good debate.

>>687795802
Go read about what Gandhi did? Also no one in America is rebelling against shit. Your rights are shit on all the time and Americans do nothing. Fuck Americans barely come out to vote.

Because my penis is tiny and I'm not man enough to take responsibility for my own safety.

>>687781865
You sure kicked the shit out of the strawman you set up.

>>687797093
Ghandi was a known pedophile, don't use him as an example again, faggot.

>>687788446
>this is what a robbery is like
I've seen robbers beat unarmed women to death in front of their children and grandchildren. Don't kid yourself.

>>687783155
>dat cosmoline in the hand rest
I want to consume your rifle to gain it's longevity in life.