>bolt-action hunting rifle
>Semi-automatic assault rifle
>difference?

Are you stoned or just stupid OP?

Semi automatic assault rifle....

Jesus fucking christ.

>>687451753
The mini 14 and ar15 are functionally identical, fuckface.

>>687451753
you're adding a verb before the word rifle.
That's like saying Transportation Sedan, or Moving Scooter.
You can put whatever word you want in front, that doesn't make the scooter any more or less deadly in a childs (unskilled) hands. It has to do with who is holding the weapon, and when. Fuck off.

Are YOU stoned, or did you just parrot everything in school and not learn how to form new ideas on your own?

>>687451872
You're retarded. They're both a semiauto magazine fed rifle.

>>687452081
is that even a mini in the picture? looks .22lr instead of .223

>>687451753
Ok 1) that's not a bolt action rifle and B) that's not an "assault rifle"

>>687452081
>>687452342
Nvm, Scaling

>>687452356
>>687451239
>>687452107

Alright you little shits. Give us the answer then!
We fold, clearly you are more intelligent and collected than we are, so please, tell us poor ignorant morons the answer!

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>>687451753
Lmaoooo, stupid fucker thinks it's bolt action just because it's got a wooden body. Bet this tactical one will rustle his gun-banning jimmies

>>687452534
Assault rifles are legally defined(look it up) as a rifle with select fire capabilities(full auto or burst). Assault weapons were defined by liberals by the aesthetic features being too scary so that they could in effect ban them in 94. This did fuck all to produce the results they wanted so they let the ban expire. Now they're back on it because "muh sandy hook"

Mini-14 are semi automatic rifles like every other rifle that's legally sold in the states. Every single one requires illegal internals to be added in order to be an automatic rifle (likely what your dumb ass refers to as an assault rifle). Jesus fucking Christ, just go ahead and let the polititicians do your thinking for you, why don't ya.

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>>687452748
>mfw Sandy Hook was 3.5 years ago.

>>687452534
>>687452748
Pretty much this.
Plus or minus some attachments like detachable magazines and Stocks if you live in a communist shithole

>>687452899
Still the basis for trying to remove "assault weapons" this time around. Dianne Feinstein's inner thighs were probably drenched when she heard it had happened.

Thats not even a mini 14 its a .308 vepr, jesus fucking christ

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>>687452899
>no rebuttals, so tossing out useless facts
Look I'm you, "DURRRRRRR"

>>687453129
This

Thread over

>>687453199
Not him but look up a video, ive Explained this shit so many times i cant bare to go through it again, educate yourself

>>687453128
It just surprises me how long it's been.

While we're on it. Has anything happened with James Holmes? I don't keep up with this stuff.

>>687453360
And it makes a difference how? A . 223 semi and a .308 semi are only chambered in a different size round. You put a bigger receiver and barrel in that mini-14 and it'll shoot .308. Jesus blueberry fuck nuts christ

>>687453598
Me either. I'm just surprised he lived through it. Most of these guys go out fighting or an hero

>>687453514
>look up a video
Not like I'm gonna take your instructions, but what in the fuck are you even talking about mate?

>>687453129
Op. My whole argument is they are functionally the same. Just one looks "scaaaary"

>>687453646
i lol'd.

>>687453514
Instructions unclear, foot stuck in toaster

>>687453646
As a professional armorer, I'm hear to tell you that this is not how it works. Sorry pall. You dont put a new receiver "in" a gun. If you have less than 10 years of daily handling of firearms you probably shouldn't be talking about things you don't know about

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Mfw both get banned by next decade.

>>687454053
this, but you're a faggot who thinks they're better than other people because they did their requisite fifteen minutes learning things 10 years ago, instead of now. You're not better. You don't necessarily know more because of your 'experience'. In fact, you're far more likely to fuck something up and call it fixed, because of bias, than an inexperienced smith. I'd rather have the new guy look it up than the old fart do it from memory

>>687454053
>the posts here are works of fiction
Gg mate

>>687454339
Ban my shapes. Like I give a fuck. I'll make expedient firearms out of my local hardware store. Fuck you, you can't ban physics.

>>687454934
Exactly. A pipe shotgun is easy as fuck to make.

>>687451239
couldn't agree with you more OP

gun nuts never had a problem with the term "assault rifle" before now

and attachments/rice/design do make a gun more lethal. gun nut forums are full of people discussing what to buy, what are their criteria? all based on lethality.

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>>687451753
>bolt-action

>>687455133
In fact, do it 'liberal' faggots. Ban my shit. I'll make a killing on the black market.

>>687455326
we weren't passing laws on arbitrary definitions, before

>>687451239
>>687451239
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle

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>>687455567

shoulder things that go up kill 14 kids every 88 days!

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>>687451753
That's a DMR you stupid cunt

>>687454560
Riiight. Bias in gunsmithing. Kids these days are fucking retarded.
All I was saying is you don't know what the fuck you're talking about so you should stop.
I was trying to help you out

>>687455790
Thanks for proving my point.

>>687455801
Pesky barrel shroud

>>687455931
Bias is in everything, go back to school.

Bias
>prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair.
If you're alive you're biased.
>my version of the vocabulary is the proper version, even though we all know what the idiot I originally responded to meant
That's you. That's you being biased about smithing. Not more than thirty minutes ago.

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>>687451753
It's okay, guys, I'll overload him here.

Liberals are the fucking worst. Freedom is for everyone. Gun control is the same as biggotry. We have universal federal support of the 14th for gays (this is a huge step for freedom!) but now we need universal federal support of the 2nd. 50 state Constitutional carry is where we need to head next!

>>687451753
Bait?

>>687456368
Hot damn that image made me kek. Hug your doggo. And yes to everything you said.

>>687455931
>>687456293
Also, i'm not even the anon you were responding to, just a bystander who thinks you're an elitist piece of shit.
Are you so dense that you don't even know with whom you converse?

>>687455326
A laser sight makes a gun more lethal? Interesting. When I train with swat commanders and special operations guys I see them TRAINING to be better rather than buying some add on piece of shit that doesn't make up for lack of trigger time. You shouldn't listen to the bullshit forum guys.
People that are not on a VERY specific task requiring specialized accessories (NV, thermal, ir laser) that say you need more than a sight and a flashlight plus whatever ergos you need are just throwing money at their equipment hoping to be better shooters. These people should spend money on ammunition and a few hundred hours of range time instead.

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>>687456544
Yeah the current laws make no fucking sense. The ATF needs to be disbanded into it's cihld agencies. If we ever get a radically progun president/congress/SCOTUS maybe we can get rid of the NFA, that'd be a good first step. It'll never happen in my lifetime unless there are some drastic, violent changes in our country,

>>687455326
>design do make a gun more lethal.
awesome so the new skull skin i put on my shotgun really does give it a damage boost
ill teach them too laugh at my superior design

>>687453646
Wow just wow.....im Just trying to point out what its actual name is....but instead i pointed out your a complete retard

>>687457376
>your

>>687457097
Thanks for posting this. I've been looking for it. Saved.

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>>687457300
Hell yeah, brother, I put some flame decals on my car and it goes like 10x faster now! Once I get my dice next week and put them in the mirror, I'm gonna have to register it with the Clinton Sensible-Auto Assault Car Commission though.

>>687457376
Whoa! Hold on friend! If you tell this guy hes an idiot, someone will come along and say you're elitist. Watch out! We have a bunch of retarded liberal children running around in this thread.

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>>687457097
saved
cheers m8

>>687457300
Is that why cs:go has so many skins?

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>>687457601
>can't respond well enough to someone who knows words longer than one syllable
Better fuck up the rest of the thread with my shit, rite?
Right, you faggot. Go whine to others that weren't even involved in the conversation. That'll show me

>>687451239
Isn't the top semi and the bottom full auto?
So lots of pulls vs finger mash
Send different to me

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>>687457468
>>687457703
You got it. It's a good illustration. I also like this one for use against the "compensating" line.

>>687457933

You are the problem.

>>687457933
Two pins on the lower receiver and the selector only has two choices, which makes them "semi" and "safe" so no, they function exactly the same and fire the same .223 round.

>>687454339
>implying anyone will ban all firearms

God you gun nuts are worse than the idiots you argue with

>>687457969
also good

of course the ron gets 69

>>687457300
That's not what he said at all. Smh replying to bait

>>687455488
So... how do you feel about criminals?

>>687457933
Yep. It's the wood that tells you which ones are automatic and which ones aren't.
Spot on.
Please apply to the BATFE. They need more intelligent people in their ranks.
Jesus Christ.
Just come shoot my dog, already

>>687454339
sure kid

>>687451753

What the fuck anon

>>687457465
Oh man, got me, guess ill be going to bed now, ur one slick sob

>>687452107

>a childs unskilled hands

Can't tell if bait or summer.

>>687455326
sure kid

>>687457899
Naw I'm just grown enough to be criticized without claiming "bias" and cry like a little bitch. When I'm wrong I'm wrong. I'm smart enough to know that I don't have it all figured out. Apparently you do.

>>687452356
>1)
>B)
Your autism is showing

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>>687458120
"of course confiscation is the end goal" -diane fienstein.

See the cake analogy here
>>687457097

Regardless, "were not going to take EVERYTHING, jeeze, calm down you nut" is not a valid reason to take ANYTHING. "sensible gun control" is just the name given to whatever the next little restriction is that slowly chops away at the tree that is my natural right to own an in animate object and my constitutional right to keep and use that object.

>>687458195
as defined by whom?
I'm a criminal.
Chances are good that you are as well.
Jaywalking is considered crime in many areas.
Depends what crime, to be honest

>>687456368
No one is trying to take away your guns. Calm down.

>>687458102
aus fag. Legitimately didn't know. Ty

>>687458120
again this lie.

>>687458359
Protip: a scooter isn't that deadly by itself.

Now, a loaded scooter...

>>687458546
again more lies.

>>687458646
Education and understanding are the keys to everyone being content with us ALL having our freedom to live our lives the way we want =)

>>687458470
It was a like friendo. Don't gotta be a dick about it.

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Someone should ask Leeland Yee which one is legal in California.

>>687458468
Nowhere did anyone say that. Go ahead with your strawman arguments. Fact is, I took what you wrote to be elitist and I let you know. You're the one misconstruing everything and panting your shit all over the thread in unrelated tangents. Just accept that you have bias, as does everyone able to form an original opinion. Get fukt

>>687454339
>Mfw both get banned by next decade.
This is why I hate both republicans and democrats. They both believe this shit.

>>687458734
Protip: A potato isn't that deadly by itself.

Now, a loaded potato...

>>687458981
funny how quickly they forgot him.

>>687459007
>strawman
>elitist
>misconstruing
>bias

Jesus Christ the debate club is here.

>>687459012
like that will ever happen.

>>687458468
>>687459007
Again, I wan't the one you were criticizing. You're so lost, old man. Town is back that way

>>687458981
>child
>looks like a dude of 24

>>687458496
I think you're just worried about nothing.

If you are this worried, get involved in the process and vote. Write letters. Run for senate.

Or just argue with anonymous shitposters. Why do people argue so much on the internet? This does literally nothing.

>>687458891
Joke* don't know why that happened.

>>687456578

Most attachments purpose is to help you make a kill more effectively. Even if it's just an edge case, combat readiness is affected positively. Whether it is measurable or observable is another matter. When arguing against the bureaucracy you have to think like they do.

>>687457300

An aftermarket decal does not nullify the argument.

>>687458545
The law, of course.

You would lead a life of lawlessness just because they hypothetically got rid of your favorite toys?

>>687459297
its safer than arguing IRL.

>>687451239
The great thing about assault weapons is that they are responsible for almost no deaths. The deaths from guns are from niggers and spics killing each other with handguns.

>>687459264
If obama and andrew cuomo can have children stand infront of the desk that they sign there gun control laws on to "add meaning" to what they're doing, maybe that kid half her age can be called a child.

>>687459222
trips of truth
>god forbid anyone making themselves clear

>>687458698
Tell me who is pushing a bill right now to take your guns. Tell me how many delegates even support that idea.

>>687459243
I know you're not the original guy. You read me telling him he was wrong and sounded like a moron. You assigned emotion to my response that simply wasn't there. Not my problem that you are hell bent on being offended by anything you don't agree with. I'm not elitist. He was wrong and you're a crybaby victim. Simple as that.

>>687459427
Not abiding by a single law is not lawlessness

>>687459362
then why are they not factory installed?

>>687459362
never said it did
was only making a joke
about a joke

twas just a prank gud sir
settle thine jimmies before thou art rustled
good day to you and chipchipcharoo

>>687459431
Especially with someone who believes so strongly in the second ammendment. You might get shot for saying the wrong thing.

>>687459533
shut up faggot. not to bright when the answers are not in front of you.

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>>687459297
I do vote and I am involved in my community. You are the one shitposting, I'm trying to have a conversation about why your statement was wrong.

I'm not too worried about the crazy gun laws, even in my state, the state police are denouncing the overly restrictive laws. Liberals will not ever take all the guns because they are easy to make (three pieces of pipe, and a nail for a 12ga shotgun) and there are lots of people out there who would litterally rather have a shootout and go on the run than live in a police state.

>>687459777
nice strawman faggot.

>>687459362
That's funny cause I see it time and time again when these internet warriors show up with 15 pound ARs for school and get SMOKED by guys with "simple" rigs that have 20k rounds through them

>>687459640
I feel if you get to the point of "selling illegal firearms on the black market" you're breaking more than one law.

>>687459533
http://poorrichardsnews.com/there-are-31-gun-control-bills-active-in-congress/

Inb4 biased.
This article is posting real anti gun bills in congress right now. Most won't pass if any but you said they're not trying. They most definitely are

>>687459533
Literally California right now. There are 10 bills designed to, together, totally outlaw semi-auto rifles.

The way liberals are throwing out a million gun control laws and hoping a few stick (and they will) I just as bad as the conservatives trying so fucking hard to defund planned parenthood. Everyone in this country is retarded and discontent until they have succssesfully trampled on someone else's life whom they've never met and never will. But it's just too ofensive, the way that person is probably living their life!

One is a semi-automatic assault rifle, the other one is a semi-automatic hunting rifle.

Before people bitch about how assault rifles are automatic, True but then most militaries rarely use anything more than burst fire anyway so in practise its the same.

Not to mention that the hunting rifle has a significant slower time on target due to size and mass(This is not debatable since its basic physics.)

Not to mention that one is chambered for 5.56 with less recoil which allows a significantly higher volume of precise fire compared to the hunting rifle likely firing 7.6~7.9. Militaries switched from 7.62 to 5.56 for a reason. Not to mention that one carries far more ammunition and is designed for faster reload times.

Fucking americunts trying to defend their cock extensions.

>>687460238
>inb4 no responses due to level-headed answer

>>687459600
>You read me telling him he was wrong and sounded like a moron.
This is a statement about anon being wrong and sounding like a moron, simultaneously.
I don't think you can write properly. That's the issue at hand. There were no misunderstandings, you just can't communicate on a level that everyone can grasp (including yourself).
Nowhere in this thread am I a victim of anything but your drivel. I feel bad for you, though. Not all of us were lucky enough to comprehend the English language. Have a better day. Pick up a book, maybe.

>>687460467
Automatic is the same as semi.
Level headed. Hmmmmm

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>>687460467
There is a bunch of stuff wrong with this so it's gonna take a min to type it all up. But it shows a clear understanding of the brady campagin's entire bible lol minimal understanding of firearms though.

>>687460238
>different bullets

No. They're the same

>select fire

No they're both semi.

>harder to follow up shots

No. The hunting rifle is heavier. Weight negates recoil. Easier follow up shots.

Britbongs arguing points on topics to which they have no idea about.

>>687460595
You were offended enough to call me elitist. He doesn't know firearms, I do. If anyone is acting elitist here, it's you.

>>687459976
okay true, but even then, it's not like i'm flying down the MSR at 100 over the limit raping babies and becoming the new Stalin.
Breaking even a few laws is still not lawlessness.
One of the reasons we haven't caught every criminal is because they aren't all completely lawless doing fucking whatever they want. I feel like that would make it pretty obvious who the criminals are, no?

>>687459935

>a good shooter is a better shot than a range ninja

No shit. That's irrelevant to the argument. I'm talking about the same shooter adding things to his weapon that reduce time to target, increase spatial awareness, reduce climb etc.

No. The hunting rifle is heavier. Weight negates recoil. Easier follow up shots.

Sure but not if youre tracking a target where angular impulse for a hunting rifle is higher simply due to its length. Good luck tracking someone in a building with that weapon.

One weapon is 5.56, if the hunting rifle is 5.56 why the fuck would you buy a 5.56 for hunting.

I agreed they are both semi , I disagreed that follow up shots with a higher caliber weapon are smaller than with a smaller caliber, forgive me for not knowing that the rifle is in a retarded caliber.

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>>687451239
Britfag here, not making a second amendment point of any kind, just a linguistic/semantic one. Presumably the legislation replaced 'rifle' with 'weapon' to encompass assault weapons that were pistols?

Regarding assault rifles generally, I'd say they were weapons whose primary designation was as a firearm for use in combat. You can infer this in either/or marginal cases from things like cyclic rate, ammunition, furniture, ruggedization, etc etc.

Bottom line, a SCAR Heavy with a beautifully engraved rosewood stock depicting a flock of geese taking flight is going to fool no-one. It's still a wolf in sheep's clothing - the sort of weapon you use to beat up countries, not paper targets and beer cans.

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>>687460238
do you even firearms

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https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9179991&cid=52224549

Frankly, one is designed for the military for high stress situations at average combat ranges of 300m while the other is designed for calm situations hunting some animal.

Saying one is not easier to use to kill people over the other is to basically insult all your gun designers.

Frankly, one is designed for the military for high stress situations at average combat ranges of 300m while the other is designed for calm situations hunting some animal.

Saying one is not easier to use to kill people over the other is to basically insult all your gun designers.

Granted they are Americans but they aren't that stupid.

>>687460994
Why is offense the only motivating factor? I don't give two shits about how 'offensive' you're being. You're not, by the way. I saw someone (you, dumbass) making a claim that conversation is the right of those who have spent ten or more years doing something professionally without any indicator as to their personal level of skill. That's not offensive. It's just wrong. I'm doing precisely what you thought you were doing. Granted, i'm more dedicated to showing retards that they're retarded than you are, which is why we're still here.

>>687460238
>One is a semi-automatic assault rifle, the other one is a semi-automatic hunting rifle
Use is defined by the user, not asthetics. Thousands of people use ar-15s for hunting. The mini-14 is equally capable of being used to assault someone.

>Before people bitch about how assault rifles are automatic...
By the most recent legal federal definition of an assault weapon, this is blatantly untrue.

>...True but then most militaries rarely use anything more than burst fire anyway so in practise its the same
Not true, most militaries in the world use fully automatic rifles capable of semi auto fire. The internal parts of a full auto m16 and a burst fire m16 are also different so "in practice it's the same" is inaccurate

>Not to mention that the hunting rifle has a significant slower time on target due to size and mass(This is not debatable since its basic physics.)
This is debatable because the mini-14 weighs 6lb 6oz from the factory and the average ar can weight between 5-8lbs depending on how it's built and accessorized. Beyond that, rifle weight has very little to do with target acquisition.

>Not to mention that one is chambered for 5.56
They are both, by default chambered for 5.56 and or .223 but can be configured in many other calibers

>with less recoil which allows a significantly higher volume of precise fire compared to the hunting rifle likely firing 7.6~7.9
7.9 is not a rifle caliber, unless you mean 8mm mauser which the technical diameter of the bullet is ~7.9mm. Neither rifle pictured has ever been chambered in 8mm mauser.

>Militaries switched from 7.62 to 5.56 for a reason
There is no standard caliber for every military in the world. If you are talking about NATO, they switched from 7.62x51 to 5.56x45 because it was a fuckton cheaper and reduced collateral damage. Nothing to do with recoil for "faster killing" or whatever was implied there

Post too long, sec

>>687460238
>Not to mention that one carries far more ammunition and is designed for faster reload times.
Both rifles pictured have thirty round magazines available, especially true since they are the same caliber.

>Fucking americunts trying to defend their cock extensions
see ron jermey here
>>687457969


BTFO liberal

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>>687459818
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0HD6eEcViU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp5xr9Ppz9M

>>687461160
Not irrelevant. Illustrative
What makes a good shooter?
That's right, practice.

In some cases adding mission specific attachments are beneficial, sure, but 99.99% is the shooter and not equipment. Talk about "edges" all you want. But when it comes down to it, I'll take a seasoned shooter on my team that will put bullets on target without a laser light or a combination vertical grip-bipod

>>687461589

Exactly.

Can someone show me a gun where the entire lineage of design is explicitly targeted at non-violent activity?

A dark ages Chinese firework?

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>>687451239
>assault weapon
Fully automatic
>what you've posted picture wise

A semi automatic and what could be a automatic but most likely a semi auto rifle also

>itt: piss off faggot

Not true, most militaries in the world use fully automatic rifles capable of semi auto fire. The internal parts of a full auto m16 and a burst fire m16 are also different so "in practice it's the same" is inaccurate

Bullshit, Since all M16's are capable of both so its somewhat implied that they have the same parts. The AR-15 has different internal parts thats true, still irrelevant to the argument though. Yes , I was talking about the Mauser. The russians also downsized and reasoning for smaller caliber isnt just that its cheaper but also that soldiers can carry larger amounts of ammunition. Very helpful if you want to massacre people which was also one of my points.

>>687462033

Actually, I just remembered, a Chink general strapped a bunch to his horses so they would panic and run down the opposing infantry.

>>687451239
Typically the only difference is how its used. Top rifle would be ideally used for hunting. The other was used in times of war.

Im no expert. Just a general tip from what ive noticed

>>687461177
lots of people here hunt with 5.56/.223

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>>687462033
target rifles/pistols
All guns developed from chineese fireworks so yes?
Though an explosion is by definition a "violent" action so maybe there is none. Good luck convincing anyone that a world without any violence anywhere is possible though.

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>>687462075
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFFS3ndWSJ4

http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=26&ch=26&l=19#x

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So many eurocucks in this thread, holy shit.

Also the hunting rifle still is harder to wield in an urban situation than the m16/ar-15 due to its length and mass, recoil isnt the only factor which is why I said time on target rather than just recoil. You assume targets just line themselves up so you can shoot them.

Not a liberal point invalid.
Arguing the constitution is reasonable and I dont give a shit what americans do.

Arguing something retarded like that an AR-15 isn't significantly easier to use to kill is retarded.

>>687462362
Mini14's are still used by some SDM(Squad designated marksman) in the U.S. Army.

>>687462075

>cant wake up.jpg

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>>687462419
No one would ban a musket in black that's retarded, if you all want guns restricting it to musket caliber ie 13~19mm would be fine since thats basically useless for shooting people.

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>>687462106
What the fuck are you talking about? a full auto m16 has a disconector that times the hammer to keep firing where the burst internals have a wheel that rotates three times before engaging the disconector. How many ars have you built? Good luck trying to win an argument with no idea about what you are talking about. Oh wait, that's how gun control is happening allover the us...

>>687462415
5.56/.223 is used for predator hunting. Wolves/yotes whatnot

>>687462548
You're thinking m14
Not mini 14

>>687462727
Still both contained in the same rifle though.

For the people on about .223 for hunting I admit that point is invalid then.

>>687462420

Look at the form of that target pistol.

They didn't arrive at that out of the blue.

And that assault musket has a foregrip and scope as well as other stuff that does, in fact, make it more deadly.

>>687462835
No im thinking mini14 because I shot them at the SDM course along with m14 m110 and the m107

>>687462723
You missed the point friendo. Not him but the point is that's why they're talking about banning these guns in the first place. It's the exact same gun just scarier looking.

>>687462548
Mini14 cant even v
begin to be a DMR.. .. Smfh

>>687462749
Great for hogs too.

>>687462106
You realize the mauser was designed for bolt action rifles in the 1800s, yeah?

The russians still use 7.62x51. Are you trying to say something about the new ak variants being built in 5.56x45? Because the original aks were chambered in 7.62x39 which is a different application than the x51 NATO round

Any military will carry a lot of ammo to massacre a lot of enemies, how does that mean I shouldn't own an ar15? You even mentioned the ar15 has different parts from the m16, so it ISN'T a millitary rifle, it is a sport rifle built for civilians.

>>687462975
Mini 14 for sdm.. why? ARs are superior in almost every way. Ergos, adaptability, "accuracy"
I don't get that choice

>>687462749
Yeah here it's usually roos, dingoes, foxes, cats, donkeys, goats and wild pigs that get taken with .223.

>>687451239
There is no such as an "assault" rifle. You don't use it to assault people in the street. Op is right for once

>>687462911
Can be put in the same rifle. There is a difference. Standard issue US m4s have full auto internals.

>>687452568
Who mutilated that poor Mini14?

>>687462954
No, that stuff makes them more accurate. So that you can shoot your target. What that target is, is up to the guy holding the gun. So why blame the gun for violent crime?

>>687451239
i agree ban all niggersticks aka gunz

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>>687462435

(that's a female skeleton)

>>687456578
>swat commanders and special operations guys

So you're like super legit and we should all listen to you.

>>687451239
One is a rifle for a ground officer and another is long range rifle for a specialist
>movie not related BTW

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Quick reminder that gun ownership reduces crime. Actually this won't be quick I'm dumping stats.

>>687463187
The mauser was in use during WW1, which was essentially the pinnacle of rifles as standard issue military weapons.

The original Stg44 was chambered in 7.9x39 doesnt make it better.

Militaries have lots of ammo true but individual soldiers can only carry so much in volume and mass. Smaller rounds are mathematically more volume efficient. The AR-15 has the same killing power as the rifle true but the hunting rifle is less ergonomically suited to what lots of americans are afraid of i.e school shootings. You have the right to carry arms according to your constitution but the reason they ban semi automatics like AR-15 is not because they are black and scary but because the weapon it was designed from the M16 is explicitly designed for killing humans

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This one neglects to mention that clinton assault weapons ban in the mid 90s where the graph stops declining and levels off for a minute.

>>687463569
Just my .02
They smoked me on the range. And I smoked the rest of the class. Take it for what it's worth. I was just commenting on what equipment the big boys (them) carry. I try to emulate them because I want to be a better shooter.

>>687463485

I am pro gun but tired of the disingenuous rhetorical devices adopted by gun nuts on the internet.

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>>687463833
>Just my .02

one is for hunting niggers the other is for massacring niggers

>>687463344
Bullshit, There are weapons designed for hunting and there are weapons designed for killing. The Stg44 was explicitly designed for more efficient killing(normal combat ranges + more firepower) over previous weapons and the AR-15 is definitely better at that than the Stg44 due to its better accuracy etc, that rifle however is not better because its not designed for military situations.

The argument that people want to ban black guns is retarded, they want to ban Ak-47's too in all their wooden glory because they were designed for killing.

>>687463569
I am a law enforcement instructor, armorer, comp shooter btw. I send at least 10k rounds down range a year training and 5k on top of that for competition. Not trying to make myself sound cool at all, just saying I get more trigger time than the vast majority of people statistically. And I am privileged enough to train with guys that far more skilled than me. I soak up everything I an from them.

>>687463744
Ok well they're not banned yet and they still are not operationally any different from their hunting rifle counterpart. Having all the cool gadgets and accessories does make the gun easier to use but the bottom line is that it's the user who needs to be looked at. Just because a gun has features doesn't mean that in my hands it wouldn't likely just sit in my safe and in Dylan Roofs hands he'd kill a buncha black folk and in a black guys hands he'd likely kill a buncha black folk. A guns a gun. Accessories don't change that. Let me keep mine and enforce the laws we have against the guy who is actually shooting people.

The difference:
The gun on top is a hunter's rifle, made for killing deer or long-range target practice.
The gun below is a semi-auto imitation of an m16, favoured by teenagers and autistic 30 year old men who want to play army man. The AR is cucked in hunting by purpose-built rifles, it is cucked in home defense by a shotgun, and it is cucked in appearance by every non-edgy-looking weapon ever. The only thing it's good for is playing gun lego on a budget.

why does anyone need something that fires full auto or burst.
>inb4 self defense
kill self, buy a bat

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>>687464072
http://biblehub.com/romans/12-9.htm

>>687463478
They're sold like that man. The one I got looked exactly like that from manufacturer.

>>687463811
You mean the flat area that could be considered a statistical increase in violent crime as a result of his AWB as we were in the middle of a significant downward trend?

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>>687463811
>clinton assault weapons ban in the mid 90s

tfw less safe now than then

>>687463744
You would see literally no difference in a school shooting performed with either rifle. Except that there would be much less media coverage if it wasnt an ar15. Most school shootings are done with stolen guns (criminals don't care about laws) so it is a moot point to say we need to ban inanimate objects from law abiding citizen possesion because some criminal steals a gun, takes it somewhere it is prohibited, and murders people. Sandy hook was the shooting in conneticuit by an autistic man who searched out the key to his mothers firearms, stole them (he was legally prohibited from owning them by current laws at the time) and shot a bunch of children. He had an ar15 in the trunk of his car and only shot people with handguns. But all that has come of that tragedy is a plethora of state laws in the US trying to get rid of ar15s. One particular rifle design is not responsible for violent people doing violent things with tools that are ALWAYS going to be available to them.

>>687464223
Almost every gun is "designed for killing." Sure, you might have the occasional weapon custom made for Olympic target shooting or something, but they're the exception. Any gun that can kill large game can kill a human just as well.

>>687463956

And furthermore I want to add, this is why Bill Maher can smugly say "you just want guns because you like them" and it rings true to 99% of people.

>>687464475
>the diffrence
Cosmetic

>your a dumb faggot
There both semi auto.

>>687463956
>>687463956
>I'm a complacent fudd that's okay with gun control
FTFY

>>687464398
True I'm not American you guys do what you want. I just don't like shitty arguments.If the argument is that it depends on the gun owner, well so does drug abuse so really if you're for guns you want to be pro drugs liberalization.

>>687464670
Yes, exactly. It is better for the point of the graph that what you said be implied.

>>687464751
I never said it wasn't semi auto dumbass.

>>687451239
Assult weapons should only be in the hands of /b/tards, need to make sure we get more kills on students than reddit.

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Well I am going to go shower and go fishing.

Liberals, stay mad
Proguns, hold on to your freedoms no matter what these biggoted pussies call imoral

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one more cause I said I would dump and never did

>>687461589
So a 5.56 bullet fired from an AR is more deadly than one fired from a mini 14? Also, why mention the range? The two guns have exactly the same range capabilities. Stop talking about shit you don't understand, moron.

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>>687464786

Complacent is the opposite of what you would normally infer from my post. Learn what words mean before using them, faggot.

Also I intimated I am against gun control. Another comprehension fail.

>>687451239
/k pls

>>687465436
I have bad comprehension? Your post implied you are the kindof guy that supports "moderate" gun control and thinks some restrictions are okay. Not being in support of total freedom means you are complacent. My point is that any gun control is equally bad as total gun control. check your freedom privilage, fuddlord

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>>687465409
Pretty much if you can bring the gun on target faster, cos you know if you miss it doesn't kill shit. But I wouldn't expect you to understand weapon design or just design generally.

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>>687465296
>>687465363
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_D9pyyZl314

>>687464508
Never thought I'd get linked to that site from here

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>>687465557
/k/ isn't for politics, there's a sticky. progun threads get banned unless you say "what weapon would you use when talking about why gun control is wrong" cause that's how you have to phrase things on /k/ to not have fags call your thread offtopic on a weapons board.

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>>687465902
But guns are illegal in chicago, how could that happen?

>>687464709
You were less safe during it. You're actually way more safe now. Unless you live in Europe

>>687458132
Top kek

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>>687466032
>less safe
>able to make my own decisions about self defense
pick one

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>>687465940

maybe it's because 4chan isn't anonymous thanks to Google captcha/tracking and CIA

"assault rifle" just means "scary looking gun"

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>>687466269
>Implying you are ever anonymous on the internet unless you really know what you are doing
I use chrome, I have no illusions of privacy.

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>>687465770

How are you going to acquire your total freedom with shitty arguments that libs can shoot holes through like paper targets?

The only way forward on gun rights is making it a "test of freedom". The 2nd amendment might not be here forever so you can't rely on it.

>>687466401
By that definition howitzer means scary looking gun. Don't be a moron

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>>687466457
>>687466457

I don't use Chrome, neither do I.

>>687462462
>Arguing something retarded like that an AR-15 isn't significantly easier to use to kill is retarded.

And I'm sure you make that point having shot both "assault" and "hunting" rifles. You do realize that squads carry a variety of weapons with a variety of degrees of maneuverability. Two pounds heavier and six extra inches on your barrel does not make a rifle "significantly" less deadly than an AR. Moron.

>>687466142
How... Why are you arguing with me? I agree with that. I'm pointing out that violent crime had a rise during the AWB and we're now back on our downward trend thanks to it being expired

>>687466539
Freedom is natural and absolute. I don't need any piece of paper to tell me I can' say what I want and do what I want as long as I don't hurt anyone. There is no way forward on gun rights, our society is imploading and so far gone that it's not gonna come back for a long time. It's going to keep getting worse and worse with black lives matter, middle eastern wars, SJWs, liberals in the US that care more about a gorilla than figuring out how to fix healthcare/education/gov corruption. Someday there will be a large catastrophy that kills a lot of people. It will probably be mankinds fault and it will hopefully allow free, homesteading people to move on to a happy world. But really humanity probably just goes extinct.

>>687463485
It might make the shooter more accurate but not the gun.

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>>687466613
>>687466613

>>687464742
Which isn't wrong either. It's not wrong to not want to give up something you see as a sport or a hobby.

>>687466802
Given the issue in america is mass shootings in enclosed spaces where maneuvrability matters and not afghanistan where squads are equipped for all situations, I would assume you agree that a smaller,compacter weapon is better at extreme close ranges.

>>687466896
Misinterpreted your point my bad.

>>687467508
No problem friendo. I really like that flowchart btw

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you can lead a horse to water...

>>687462954
The only thing you can do to make a gun more deadly is to modify the projectile or rate of fire. Accessories only make it easier for the shooter to be accurate at longer ranges and that is only the case if the shooter is experienced enough to take advantage of the accessories (yes, you need a lot of practice to use a scope and laser point correctly). By your logic, shooter skill determines lethality, so we should ban all trained individuals along with the accessories. Consider a scrawny trap holding a decked out AR then consider a bearded delta team member holding a bolt action .22. Be afraid of the delta bro.

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Americans are the most paranoid people I've ever met. Always so fucking frightened and hysterical. And holy shit do they love to fucking argue about shit.

Their political cycle NEVER ends, they treat politics like a major sport. They've picked sides and they put stickers on their cars and don't fucking shut up about it ever.

Guns...guns are the same. Holy fuck they can talk about guns forever.

They're like our stupid, embarrassing cousins.

>>687468518
Didn't read. Cool pic.

>>687467310
Right. Mass shooting situations where the shooter is the only one armed. In that situation, where people are backed into a corner with a dude unloading on them, how the fuck is a mini14 with 30 rounds of 5.56 leaving an 18 inch barrel any less deadly than an AR 15 with 30 rounds of 5.56 leaving an 18 inch barrel???

>>687468518
Please bin that butter knife and brush your teeth. Don't post pics of your plastic cutlery on Facebook or merkel will kick your door in and drag you off to the gulag. Hope that sharia law is working out well and the govt does a good job of covering up those most recent sexual assaults. Oh and also don't call any foreign leaders a goatfucker today or your bitch govt might offer you up on a silver platter to be punished. Smile for the cctv cameras and shovel down your state mandated "media". I'll be over here in America carrying guns and eating fried chicken.

>>687468573
That's an assault truck

>>687467936

>By your logic, shooter skill determines lethality

How on Earth did you derive that from what I said?

The foregrip, composite and scope increase the weapon's effectiveness in a combat situation. It's disingenuous to say they're exactly the same.

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>>687467310
A mini 14 and an AR 15 are roughly the same size the only difference being an adjustable stock so you're point about compactness is moot. Also, a sawed off shotgun would be more compact than an AR, is that more deadly too?

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>>687469105

Heh dude you're just outing yourself as another stupid 'murican who has no clue what the real world is like. Enjoy your pant-shitting fear and ignorance.

>>687461177
Its not a hunting rifle. Do you think that just because it has a wood stock? Both of those weapons are functionally the same, one is no more a "hunting rifle" than the other.

You're whole argument about extra inertia is ridiculous, the difference in weight is negligible. Even if it was heavier, you're placing too much emphasis on something that just isn't important.

>>687469505
Whatever friendo. You deserve what you're getting. Have fun.

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>>687461565

>>687469105

You sure told that Brit Kraut, buddy.

*fires Hi-point in the air until it jams*

MURICA.