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this is your alternative lads

>>687325234
This exactly m8. Most of 4chan is alt-right and they are so class cucked that the argument of
>buh bu-t s-s-ocialism!!!!111!!!
is all it takes to for most of them to screeching.

Europefag here, I thought people actually voting for Trump was a joke... -- now I think you all are the joke.

Does he support national socialism or just socialism? Because I don't want the latter.

>>687325840
Yeah, you really know how to take care of your country(ies), bub

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>>687325234

yup, trump only know how to persuade the hive mind republicans, however democrats aren't so easily fooled

>>687325840
hate to agree with a europe fag but most of the right is now falling for the trump meme. But in fairness Hillary (You Write It I'll Say it) Clinton is such a corporate shill chameleon of a politician that its hard to blame them.

>>687326190
he doesn't support socialism at all (at leasst, in the way we define it), he's just a "sociocapitalist" (that's the way mark cuban defnes it) who beleives the government should ensure a certain standard of living

>>687325234
>He's pretty much gotten as much media and establishment h8 as Trump has


Anyone who thinks Trump has establishment hate, is a fucking idiot. The current system allowed Trump to stay fucking RICH. No way on Earth he's going to change it.

>>687325234
Because he is a spineless cowned that wants to take more of my money in taxes. And in return I will get shittier health care than I had originally.


He can go fuck himself

>>687326811
lol, found the typical 90 IQ american.

I can't contain my laughter.

>>687326693
Except by ensuring that certain standard you lower the standard of everyone above it and that is not right or fair

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>>687325234
RIP 4chan

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>>687326414
people say trump is a caricature of american politics, the true caricature is hillary clinton

>>687326891
Nice rebuttal. I would be suprised if you even know what that means.

Unlike you I have a job and have a good living.

>>687325234
You think hes pro gun? Are you kidding?

Theres a reason no one on /pol/ even takes him seriously

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>>687327098
Damn you sure told me fatty.

>>687326948

That is the view of at least half of america.

I am mostly liberterian in my views, however I do beleive child poverty is a major issue, should we just leave their survival up to private entities?

>>687327198
You obviously don't have a job because typing

'I have a job too ' takes less effort than saying what you said

Fuck off

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>>687327198
Are you even smart enough to make a counter argument?

>>687325234
This better be some shit-tier trolling. Pro-gun? Are you serious? How is "let's ban everything but hunting rifles" pro-gun.

Let me break it down for you:
Pro-gun is the removal of any and all firearms laws nationwide. That's a repeal of the NFA, Constitutional Carry nationwide, and removing restrictions against manufacturers.

Anti-gun is pretty much anything that isn't that.

Leftists need to readjust their idea of "middle of the line" is. Clinton is not a moderate. Bernie is not a moderate. Trump is baaarely leaning right, though mostly for the wrong reasons.

>wants to make healthcare free (read: shit)
>wants to take money away from people who earned it
>sways in favor to lazy niggers on welfare
>wants to lower taxes while making tuition free
>wants to ban semi auto weapons

Only reason you probably like Bernie is because you're not paying taxes and still at home with mommy and daddy. You'll understand later in life.

>>687327166
Yes he is pro-gun, he gets shit on in every debate for his gun stances, shillary goes on and on and on, the moderators go on and on and on about dumbass gun laws.

He is pretty pragmatic on guns

>Bernie "it's impossible for a white person to know what it's like to be poor" Sanders

Yeah nah.

I like that everyone made a big deal about how Trump might not have won enough delegates to secure the nomination.

But no one cares that Clinton hasn't won enough delegates to secure the nomination and statistically can't now. She'd need 65% of the June 7th delegates.

Trump is going to give her nonstop shit as an illegitimate candidate handpicked by the superdelegates and blah blah blah. It fits into his narrative perfectly.

>>687327501
Yes. Why should we enable those who are incapable of surviving themselves to survive by the forced cooperation of others.

If someone wants to save them let them but I don't care. So don't make me pay

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>>687327702

hurr i need all my guns or else it's anti gun

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>>687326776
yeah the establishment media is really really shitty, I'm glad the internet is here to replace them

>>687327828
He never said that

>>687327702
You sound like a dysfunctional sociopath that can't compromise or even remotely comprehend flaws with his own ideologies.

>>687327825
He wants to put laws in place to ban semi auto weapons, which means everything but bolt action rifles. That's not pro gun, bud.

>>687327896
Do you even constitution bro?

>>687327896
Scared liberal detected

>>687325234
Look at the socialistic society of Venezuela, you all scream its real socialism when the going gets good, but alas saying its wrong when shit hits the fan.

>>687325234
He's pro-immigration and anti-gun. Where the fuck are you getting your information OP?

>>687327702
>mfw literally no gun laws

you do realise the NRA used to lobby for some gun control laws right?

>>687328027
Oh but he did

>>687327617
>>687327532

>You obviously don't have a job because typing
>'I have a job too ' takes less effort than saying what you said

kek

> Are you even smart enough to make a counter argument?

Why argue with pigeons. You guys are a caricature of intelligence, I'm not really going to argue with you.

>>687325234
Sanders delegate reporting.

>>687327896
The point is that "moderate" or "centralist" is the average sitting between two extremes. Bernie's policy on strict gun control isn't moderate. It's a pretty far throw to the left, with only Hillary "1994 'Assault Weapons Ban' that even the FBI openly stated was a huge waste of time and money" Clinton being able to take it even further.

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>>>>ITT this is now a cuck sanders thread

>>687328204
Source it.

>>687327803
>wants to make healthcare free (read: shit)

no he doesn't, check your facts. Free is different from free at the point of use.

>wants to take money away from people who earned it

Currently you are occupying atoms that a more intelligent human could probably have occupied

>sways in favor to lazy niggers on welfare

mfw

>wants to lower taxes while making tuition free

mfw, check your facts (free in public colleges...like your high school)

>wants to ban semi auto weapons

are you sure?

>>687328057
You sound like someone that uses ad hominem attacks in an attempt to bring people down to meet your already low expectations of them instead of factually arguing anything resembling a point.

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>>687328204
nra are corporate cucks fuck them.

>>687327198
Of course this faggot is a Sanders supporter

>>687325234
Pro gun!? Thats hard to believe more like pro limiting the guns and mount of ammo you can have and no scary assault rifles. No way I believe hes pro gun!

>>687327887
These are just children? Damn that's pretty heartless

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>>687328967
I don't even live in America you delusional faggot. Again the 90 IQ theory confirmed. JUST

>>687326948
At this current point in time it isn't fair to do that, BUT technology will replace low skill jobs within the next 5 to 10 years. and will start replacing high skilled professions within 15-20 years. It will come to a point where college graduates in specialized fields won't be able to find jobs( doctors, programmers, lawyers etc) not just the liberal art majors. When that happens capitalism stops working. you can't have a working economy with 40% of the population unemployed. It's in our best interests to start putting social plans into play now.

>>687328513
who is "moderate" on guns? What is a "moderate" gun control view?

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>>687326776

This is super true. The establishment (GOP) hates him because he not even trying to veil the true nature of their regressive and destructive policies. But thats it.

>>687326811
The reason you pay high taxes is because the wealthy have offset their own taxes to the middle and lower class so don't even with that trash.

>>687327051
She's abominable and an utter disgrace to the democratic party and represents the establishment and neo-liberal bullshit better then anyone else I know. But Trump represents the ignorant southern strategy reaching its only logical conclusion so they are both caricatures lets just set that straight.

>>687327166
He is. Don't believe everything you read on /pol/

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>>687328610
just look it up, the NRA fragmented in the 70s/80s

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>>687325234
Because I'm not a poor waste of space. If I want to help unfortunates I'll donate money by buying shit from humble bundle.

>>687328366
Confirmed for being so retarded he can't even make a counter argument

Fuck hillary im broke all the time, my weapons and armor allways need repair. Everytime i look on the forums they say dont you loot? Like im an idoit like there are really just free silver swords just laying around. Not to mention i cant find herbs or fucking ingredients for oils i apparently need. This has just been a mess terrorized villagers, orphans, and i only think it will get worse with hillary.

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>>687325234
>pro-gun
Lolwut check voting record
>pro-democracy
>Implying democracy is a good thing

>anti shill
What are you doing right now

>>687328222
If you weren't completely retard you would know that he was quoting a dumb nigger that said that to him; telling him that white people didn't know what it's like to be a shit-skin. Pull your Fox News watching head out of your ass, faggot.

>>687328366
>Why argue

Just do the world a favor and kill yourself then, you waste of space.

>>687329613
I'll wait until America has burned to the ground with people like you living in it.

>>687329151
changing the topic means you concede your previous positions

>>687328027
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-ghetto_us_56dce712e4b03a405679062b

"When you're white, you don't know what it's like to be living in a ghetto, you don't know what it's like to be poor, you don't know what it's like to be hassled when you walk down the street or to be dragged out of a car."

Because there are no poor white people. And no white people have ever lived in the ghetto. And no white people are ever harassed on the street or dragged out of their cars. This guy is a delusional SJW nut. Fuck him.

And maybe you should look this shit up before saying "hur dur he never said the thing." Maybe you wouldn't look like such a retarded SJW supporter.

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>>687328366
Wow you are retarded

>>687329419
>Implying democracy is a good thing
>Implying democracy is a good thing
>Implying democracy is a good thing
>Implying democracy is a good thing
>Implying democracy is a good thing

mfw

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>>687329826
did I hit a nerve?

Right or left, the worst part about Trump is that he has this cachet of being "an outsider" and "rich, therefore incorruptible".

While he is an outsider now, that's pretty irrelevant. The guy has money, but wants more money. The only deep personal motivation that I can see him having in any of this is to increase the prestige of his own name, gain power and gain money.

In other words, he's just like every other politician, except without any experience. He'll just be a reckless pawn for whatever corporate interest du jour decides to backchannel him some money.

And don't get me wrong, it's the same with Shillery. My point isn't that Trump is any worse in that regard, but that he's the same.

And I'll be damned if I'll pay more in tax than I already do. I want the old republican party. Small government and conservative fiscal policy. Hell, I want the Libertarian party. Build me some roads and a grand military, and leave the rest to me. And get out of China's pocket.

However, I hate the "socialism" whining, too. I'm 36, own a house, and pay about $5000/year in school taxes. Assuming I don't move somewhere cheaper and stay in this house for 30 years, that's $150,000 in taxes to pay for other people's kids to go to school. I don't have kids, and my wife and I don't want 'em. Socialism indeed. We already have it aplenty.

And what do you think private health insurance is? Everyone pays into one large fund, and the neediest people receive the most benefits. Sound familiar? All mandatory insurance is a tax, just collected for profit instead of "for the people".

I may sound like a hypocrite, but I'm not advocating for a national health system or for publicly funded college. My only point is that the "muh taxes" and "dat socialism" arguments are retarded. We're already paying for all this shit.

Take a min to add up your federal, state and local taxes (income, sales, real estate, etc). Then add in your car insurance, health insurance, 401K payments, etc.

>>687329280
If it fragmented, then one group was the NRA and one group were just separatists with opinions. I'm not even a huge fan of the NRA, but attaching them by name to every gun owner or pro-gun activist in the country would be akin to saying every anti-gunner is in bed with the Brandy Campaign.

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Reminder that paid Hillary shills are bernposting on 4chan to piss people off.

Because Trump is a national socialist and when you limit our freedom in favor of fucking minorities (ironic considering even in Ancient Greece, the birthplace of democracy, the MAJORITY ruled) people will rise up and elect the same people the Germans did in 1935 when the Weimarr Republic did that to them

>>687330010
That isn't what I said, the NRA supported some gun control laws that is a fact

>>687329181
Except that the top 2% earners pay over 50% of the taxes

>>687329181
>He is. Don't believe everything you read on /pol/

Prove he is pro gun. Quotes and sources. Or you're a fucking liar. And not pro-gun, for a democrat, like, "I won't take all your guns," I want to see proof of an actual pro-gun stance.

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Daily reminder that Bernie actually said this!

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/07/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-wrong-say-when-youre-white-you-dont/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6IlGoeDIUQ

>>687329981
nigga are you retarded? 401k is literally free money for your self when your older. If your employer won't match what your putting in then you dont put anything in at all

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>>687330414

do you beleive child poverty can be fully looked after by private entities right now?

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>>687329708
Don't worry, Europe will get raped out of existence long before we nuke ourselves.

>>687329611
Except he wasn't. I watched the full quote from beginning to end. When you try to say he quoted someone you are purposefully misinterpreting his what he said to make it sound better.

Why don't you go ahead and post the quote and prove me wrong. I am so confident that you can't that you won't.

Since again I know what he said. If you don't post you admit to being wrong

>>687329135
There's so few options to choose from right now that it's hard to say, but if I had to pick only one person I'd say Rand Paul. Libertarian operating undercover as a Republican. He isn't trying to legalize nukes for kids, but it's not trying to ban everything under the sun, either.

>>687330175
so much this. bitch ass fuckin nigger

>>687330120
Big time. Crooked Hilary's campaign released thousands of dollars this past weekend for "social media" organizing.

Ey Bernie or GTFO. Someone who is actually from the middle class, stands up for laborer unoins. Isnt a facist.

>>687327166
and there's a reason no one outside of /pol/ takes /pol/ seriously...

He's a guy who doesn't understand what it takes to run a business as he's never done it himself. If he's elected he will raise taxes, again, to fund his socialized medicine and Healthcare as well as 'free' college and other programs.

I don't have a problem with him personally, but I'd never vote for him solely on his lackluster economics plan.

>>687330728
I think that's the view Bernie is trying to take, based on how he has defended gun sales and rifle sales, you may disagree with that view but I don't think he is far left on guns

>>687329920
That's a smug anime face not a rage face. It implies that he is genuinely concerned with you being alive and is merely suggesting that you kill yourself. No anger is implied

>>687330175
Are you autistic?

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>>687330686
Doesn't really matter, it's not my problem, nor is it any one's problem but the parents of those children.

>>687330843
a fascist is what we fucking need right now to restore order. and thankfully that's what we might be getting. society has been running rampant in degeneracy too much now. its over

>>687325234
Progun? No. He is pro single shot rifle.
He wants to van what he calls "assault rifles."
What is that, you ask? Take a .223, semi auto, paint it black, and he will ban it because of how it looks.
Now what happens when I say a human, painted black, should go away because of how it looks?
He would shit.

>>687330563
>>687329825

See
>>687329611

>>687330686
>do you beleive child poverty can be fully looked after by private entities right now?
and you really think government can?

>>687330351
Are you fucking simple?

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>>687329872
I'm not that anon, but pure democracy is pretty shit-tier. Rule of the masses is just another way to oppress the minority. Like communism, it could work with a small enough population, but past a couple thousand it just ends up going to crap. That's why most countries with a strong democratic traditions lean toward a representative structure instead of a direct vote on policy.

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>>687331121
Didn't you real the links I posted? Bernie was saying his own opinion, not relaying what the sheboon said.

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>>687325234
oh look it is our cuck lord

>>687331039
NO are you fucking autistic?

Bernie is actually for the working class of this country faggot. WTF is Trump gonna do for us? Not a God Damn Thing. Hes gonna let wallstreet go ape shit on our economy. Also Trump is pro isreal. tfw Bernie is the only Jew running and is anti isreal.

>pro-gun
Bullshit stop spreading this meme go look up what he actually votes for.

>>687331124

Clearly it can't. Look at Baltimore and to a greater extent Detroit. They are money pits in their respective states and nothing improves. Shocker they're under Democrats control and have been that way for decades.

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>>687325512
crooked hill

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>>687331047

The child is in poverty because the parents die, are ill, or don't care. The child should just die on the streets?

>>687331124

I beleive the government should play a role, along with private entities, as child poverty is an exception to many rules

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>>687325234

>He's pretty much gotten as much media and establishment h8 as Trump has

>The liberal media blasts trump over anything and sucks off sanders.

>You have a victim complex

>>687331271
>oppress the minority
No shit Sherlock that's the beauty of democracy. Why the everloving fuck should the majority not win? You don't disadvantage the many to equalize them with the few. That puts everybody down low. Not everyone can be winners, but don't worry I'll give you a participation trophy for trying to use logical reasoning here

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>>687326776
who and what system will change the fact that rich people are and will remain rich?

how fucking stupid are you berncucks?

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> Europefag here, I thought people actually voting for Trump was a joke... -- now I think you all are the joke.

Shutup Mahmoud you wouldn't know a joke if it blew itself up in your face, gb2isis

>>687331351
Bernie has already lost. Wake up. Dems don't allow dissent and keeps it at bay with super delegates. Wall Street? You mean the guys paying crooked Clinton?

>>687325234
he is not pro gun he speaks time and time again against assaultweapons and how are we to run a militia well armed if all we can have is a one shot rifle that is not a well armed militia

>>687331288
Nigger, the link was a CNN video, stop watching propaganda you cunt-fuck

>>687331343
What a bunch of FUCKING cucks. Glad they accept it. Morons are demeaning themselves literally admitting submission and they don't even know

>>687331647
>The child is in poverty because the parents die, are ill, or don't care. The child should just die on the streets?
Not my problem. Why should I be forced to pay for the child?

>>687331271
I absolutely support democracy, arguing the between representative and direct democracy is totally different (switzerland has pretty good direct democracy)

>>687331647
you mean like they do now? so what's your point here?

Do you know how much health insurance is? One trip to the doctor could cost you 100K or more you are forced to have insurance oboma care is saving people from unpayable debt. Obama is our greatest president of all time so of couse if lady hillary could be in office she might make great strides as well just give her a shot.

>>687331869
The link was youtube video, uncut, of him saying that HE thinks white people can't be poor. It's not long, go watch it.

>>687331936
That page was obv made by /pol/ to make berniefags call themselves cucks. Poll has shills everywhere.

>>687331647
Yes the child should die if he does not find a way to survive

>>687332092
My sides!

>>687331288
MFW this retard thinks automation won't come for your uneducated shit-tier job in a few years

>>687331812
mfw Trump saying he will de regulate the IRS and the little regulation we have on wallstreet. And how has Bernie Lost? If you knew a fucking thing about whats up, he is 270 PLEGED delegates behind Hillary. With California and New Jersey, she will not seal up enough PLEGED delagates to win. At that point bernie and Hillary will be like 51/48 in delegate share after all states have voted. How is that a win for hillary???

>>687332092
gr8 b8 m8!

>>687331366
where might you and bernie have a disagreement?

>>687332300
Let me guess, you believe in the cult of universal basic income, right?

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>>687325234
Mfw people still think that cuck jew still has a chance.

>>687332092
Stagnating economy, rising Healthcare costs, raised taxes, more BS in the middle east, and so on.

Obama has been terrible.

Any idiot can see that.

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>>687331012
He has gone on record as supporting a ban of semi-automatic weapons. He didn't get too into it at first, but as his campaign continued to take shape he has made his stance for Federal gun bans very clear.

>>687325234
He doesn't promote socialism, or advocate it as a form of government ...he just wants to implement all the socialist ideals and methods to achieve his "not-socialism" government.

Read a book or something people, the faggot is a socialist, no question.

>>687331418
this is absolutely disgusting

>>687331647
Not my fucking problem nigbitch.

Appeals to emotion by invoking the likeness of a chile is a logical fallacious. Fucking learn to be copious

>>687332025
>>687332090
>>687332238


I mean, I understand why you feel this way about adult welfare, but only the most heartless bastard could say this about children

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>>687332300
but thats why we need bernie so we can have the UBI and everyone will get paid $290,000 a month to not work

>>687331121
>>687329611

It was a direct answer to the moderator of a debate, you fucking retard.

Q: What racial blind spots do you have?

Bernie's A: "To answer your question, I would say I think it's similar to what the Secretary said. When you're white, you don't know what it's like to be living in a ghetto, you don't know what it's like to be poor, you don't know what it's like to be hassled when you walk down the street or to be dragged out of a car."

That's unedited, and a direct fucking response to a moderator. Not a fucking quote of some dumb-ass nigger. That's a quote from a dumb-ass SJW that, for some reason, you support.

Why do you have to be so retarded, and assert things that are not even remotely true?
Where the fuck did you even get the misinformation that he's quoting some black guy?
Why do you instantly go to "hur dur, stop thuh foxnoos watching dur."?
Are you just making this shit up as you go?

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>>687332320
You are either ignorant or delusional. I would enjoy seeing the old communist beat the woman(?) communist.... Not gonna happen. Super delegates.

>>687332765

My new Desktop

>>687332746
someone give this guy that picture with the list of logical fallacies please. leftists are as irrational as they come

>>687332746
>only the most heartless bastard could say this about children
MUH FEELZ

Seriously though, might I suggest you watch this brief video outlining the dangers of empathy?

http://www.theatlantic.com/video/index/474588/why-empathy-is-a-bad-thing/?utm_source=SFFB

>>687325234
>he is pro-gun

There is the problem. This is a deal-breaker for both him and Trump. Especially after another mass shooting topping today's news.

Fuck guns, Hillary will actually do something about this.

>>687332826

Im neither faggot. I know what the fuck is going on. They will be virtually 50/50 walking into the convention. Superdelagates will see how he can beat TRUMPS ass and we will win. Just watch nigger

>>687332765
This is pretty much what Bernvictims believe.
>I vote for Bernie, I'll get everything free and never have to work again!

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>>687325631
I mean, to be fair, the wealth redistribution meme is a more reliable nation killer than anyone else's platform combined

>>687332746
so lets incentivize more adults to just have kids because uncle sam will always pay for it! Why worry about whether or not you can afford it when we can have the government deal with it?

>>687333128
Yeah you'll win and get ass whooped in the general.

>mfw this dumbass really thinks you can suddenly destigmatize socialism on a national platform just bc muh bern

>>687325234
Sanders sucks every nigger dick he comes across. He like Mexicans to fuck him in the ass.

>>687332765
>>687332460

I don't think people on 4chan realise that your shitty uneducated job wiill get eaten by automation, if automation costs $0.05 an hour to work, why the fuck does it matter if you're being paid $7.50,$ bucks, even $1 an hour?

Not to mention humans have many other issues in efficiency and sickness.

public high school incr. education standards allowing us to increase our own living standards

British here. Free healthcare is good and so is socialism. We are a socialist country and seem to be alright. You know what we need? Child limits, 2 or less per family. A bit off topic, but it's a political thread.

>>687325840
fuck you and your European liberal bullshit

>>687333128
Clearly an ignorant child. Super delegates have nothing to do with the general election.

Finish school. Maybe Bernie will pay your student loan with others money.

>>687332746
I don't make my decisions based on feelings. The fact that so many people do makes me dislike those emotional options even more.

>but if you eat this pile of shit you could save the children's lives

I don't want to eat shit so I won't It doesn't matter to me if they live if I have to eat shit for them to live

>>687332092
I know this is trolling, but this is worth saying for general knowledge:

If you go to the hospital for medical treatment, you will be treated. Being turned away isn't really a component of the system. If you don't have insurance, they will bill you. If you don't have enough money to pay them, you can file for financial assistance and the slate will essentially be wiped clean.

The fiction of "no insurance means crippling debt for life" was created to base the idea of Obamacare on. The people mostly getting fucked by the medical system are the middle class who don't qualify for financial aid or any kind of decent health insurance, but then are also required to pay out of the ass in taxes so that OTHER people can be medically covered.

>>687333366

>mfw facism has always worked right?

>>687333484
Zero kids for niggers, spics and kikes. Unlimited kids for whites.

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>>687333060
what the fuck will shitlery do?

i mean besides profit 2 or 3 hundred grand?


do some history and look at the last time shitlery tried to do something about guns.

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>>687329067
What finishing school did you attend?
Ad hominem
>Jew nigger faggot detected

>>687325234
he's a kike who tells people that he can give them free stuff

>>687333476
http://www.techeye.net/news/luddites-were-wrong-tech-does-not-kill-jobs

Faggot

>>687332622
I disagree with him, but I don't think he is anti-2nd amendment based on what he has said about gun shop owners, gun distribution and gun sales

hillary is just nuts, she wants to be the 'angela merkel of america'

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>>687332773
Get wrecked cuckfags

>>687333476
You cant tax robots idiot.

>>687333484
A failed country. When you study history and the British empire you must be embarrassed by what you have now. An irrelevant island.

>>687333032
i'm out in a rural area (with bad internet), can you summarise the video rather than rely on someone else to explain shit for you

>>687333484
The mayor of London is a towelhead, your argument is invalid.

>>687333716
>Nazi Germany was miraculous for Germans, just sucked for kikes
>Ghaddafi, Mubarak, et. al. Sure they fucked up their opposition pretty bad, but you didn't see no goddamn ISIS running around till we meddled in the region and killed their fuckin leaders AGAIN (a la the Shaa in Iran)

>>687333911
You CAN tax the companies that use them a per robot, per day tax though.

>>687333567

Superdelagates will this time choose the nominee for this fall. So they actually do have something to do with the general. Nice try tho

>>687326891
I can imagine you holding your sides as you spit out your drink and start pounding your desk so hard your Rainbow Dash figurine almost falls over.
OR
you just let out a quick blast of air through your nostrils

>>687333060
You can't ban an illegally obtained item; it's like baning crime.

>>687332994
If you want a rational argument, I could give you one, however is it not irrational to expect one who cannot provide for themselves and only relies on empathy of a parent, to instead rely on the empathy of a community?

>>687333060
The 1994 Assault Weapons Ban which she created and crusaded. The most delicious part of the AWB is that even major law enforcement agencies published reports after it failed to be renewed in 2004 that the legislation had done NOTHING to stop, slow, or even affect any metric of crime statistics while costing a fuckton of money to try and enforce even while it was basically impossible to do so.

>>687334179
Meant to say *(a la when we had the Shaa propped up in Iran)*

>>687331660

>Why the everloving fuck should the majority not win?
Okay, fuck balck people. They are the minority, let's enslave them again. They don't have the vote to prevent it, so fuck em. They now have no human rights.

>You don't disadvantage the many to equalize them with the few.
But you think it's ok to disadvantage the few to redistribute to the many? Have fun in that world, where no one is productive for fear that they will be destroyed for it.

>That puts everybody down low.
If the majority rule, and you fuck everyone else, everyone will suffer. Even the majority, in the end.

>Not everyone can be winners
Except Bernie won't rest until everyone is equal in their winnings. For him, it's not about equality of opportunity, it's about equality of outcome.

>>687334125
Not a problem. Basically the world is going to shit because of liberal BS about "oh no, muh feelz". People give to highly ineffective charities because it feels good, and nothing gets better in the world because we're ruled by emotion and not logic. The premise is that empathy is a very bad thing to use in dictating important decisions. The speaker is a leftist psychologist too, which is icing on the kek.

>>687334198
Wont be as much unless they put a higher tax for use of these machines. You see when ever something is made that stands to lose the goverment money it tends to disappear along with its inventor.

>>687333060
The problem is that by banning guns you take away the guns from the people defending themselves, but not from the people attacking them.

Send niggers back to Africa.

>>687334316
but it did help put more gun rights politicians into office

>>687334207
And they are nearly all pledged to crooked Clinton. You corrupt party, like it or not. The irony is, it is called democrat and it's nothing of the kind. Party leaders decide and it's all a joke.

>>687334282
I feel sorry for the impoverished just as much as the next guy, I truly do. I drop the coins in the cup just like the next guy. But I recognize, as should you, that you cannot have winners in life if there aren't losers as well. You can either have the full spectrum and rely on his/her skills or you can have everyone mediocre, pulling up the bottom by bringing down the top.

>>687334603
Worked great in Chicago, oh wait!

>>687333792
Yes bcos those geniuses flipping burgers for minimum wage are gonna get coding skills and manage the machines.

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>>687334825
no you are wrong we can and will give everyone a trophy

>>687332773
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6IlGoeDIUQ

>>687334725

I know man its fucked. If Bernie were to run third party to prove a point and ruin the election, I think my party would learn a fucking lesson

>>687335042
>implying prestige colleges are part of the problem

>>687335034
Not my problem. If they're too stupid to adapt, then they're getting what they deserve.

>>687334454
>it's about equality of outcome
Precisely why your utopian shitstain ideas won't ever come to fruition. People like competition. Nobody wants to have the same shit as everyone else. I'm not even using the argument that can be made about how people will leech. Even if EVERYONE contributed, if we all get the same outcome you will either:
>A. Be killed and have your share stolen (think warlords)
>B. Have mass loss of faith in the system, thus loss of production. Congrats now everyone has nothing, too!

>pulling race card
Go figure, another racist leftie. I'm not even going to bother arguing that, nobody said anything about race except you.

>>687332086
>arguing the between representative and direct democracy is totally different
It is the entirety of the point. Democracy is fine, as long as it is limited and implemented with reasonable individual rights.

>switzerland
Has a parliament, which drives its legislature. The people vote directly on these issues, yes, but they are not making the law. It's not a pure democracy. They also have a constitution, ensuring certain rights, which removes the ability of mob rule in a democracy, and is yet again another removal from pure democracy.

>>687333608
It can be explained in a logical way, if you chose to participate in a society, why shouldn't you also abide by the rules the majority chooses?

I hope I'm not talking to an anarchist here

>>687335042
Good luck with that! Let me know when you start giving them out so I can go steal my neighbors

>>687333792
>nope no way tech can replace me and muh truck

>BREAKING NEWS: AUTOMATED TRUCKS

>>687334454
>it's about equality of outcome
And you think that's a good idea?
Why are you okay with people being in jail and others walking around free? Why is that, that for some reason when someone decides to murder someone the outcome mustn't be equal, but when someone decides to shit on his education and do coke instead it magically is?

>>687333911
Ok so now 4chan is justifying taxes?

>s-s-s-s-OCIALIST!!!!111!!!

>>687331047
Using an anti-war quote as ammo for anti-welfare. You are politically retarded.

>>687334454
You really are a deluded fuck.
Move to Venezuala, Socailism really worked there.
Just like the USSR.
Talking to people like you is pointless. The only answer i care to give you is a bullet through your skull.

>>687325631
>Most of 4chan is alt-right
Most of 4chan is left leaning, anti-authoritarian. The alt-right is the vocal minority.

You faggots are 4chans sjws.

>>687334529
Charities are private organisations, that requires more 'feels' than say a government run operation to eliminate child poverty, which says if you want to participate in this society it is justifiable to not eliminate all possible chances of certain individuals surviving

>>687335452
Why would there be a rule enforced to help people that cannot help them stop. And if we started those rules where does it end.

Why don't we help all the starving puppies and kittens while we are at it?

Why should we keep hindering society when we don't have to

>>687335074
Yep. And when he says, "To answer your question..." he is beginning his answer to the question the moderator asked. Giving his opinion, his point of view. And his point of view proves he's a SJW cuckold.

>>687334825
Yes, but I'm talking about children, who are protected by the state in a number of ways and may not even have the ability to provide for themselves

>>687325631
>Most of 4chan is alt-right
Wrong. Most of 4chan is anti-authoritarian centrists or left leaning.

>>687335993
You keep believing that fag

>>687336217
I wasn't arguing against you (obviously, I didn't make an argument), I was just sourcing your post.

>>687329181
>Don't believe everything you read on /pol/

Don't believe *anything* you read on /pol/

FTFY

>>687336158
>which says if you want to participate in this society it is justifiable to not eliminate all possible chances of certain individuals surviving
Sounds fine to me. Look at it this way... Right now in Africa there are dozens of niggers getting infected with HIV. Should I drop everything I'm doing and rush over there to stop this from happening? No, I have no moral obligation to anyone other than myself. So why would I have an obligation to some poor child in America? Same thing, I don't know them, I don't care about them, so why do I owe them my own money?

>>687335405

>switz

Switzerland is a direct democracy what are you saying?

>democracy

i really don't understand what you're getting at, care to summarise?

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>>687336317
>left leaning
Fuck off socialist.

>>687336317
Most of 4chan is Tumblr

>>687336317
Keep believing that cuck

>>687336617
>You made a factual claim that doesn't involve your person
>you must be a socialist because your sentence contained left
oh please

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>>687336795

I gotta hypothetical candidate for you /b/ros:


Say I'm just like Bernie, as in well-established, trustworthy and pissed off. I want to regulate wall street, raise taxes but fund as much as possible by dialing back our overseas military, very socially liberal, etc.


BUT

I'm pro-gun, want to tighten the border and deport but give some pathways to amnesty for the really desperate and fucked, I want single-payer healthcare, but if that isn't possible then private. All welfare programs must be met with very strict work criteria, except of course the disabled, although that system will be tightened up. I do want to fund college, but on a lower level, associates at university and community college.

Would you vote for me /b/?

>>687336208
1. Kittens and puppies aren't humans, however it is a democracy that you're participating in, after all.
2. Helping children dying on the streets to contribute to society is not what I would call a hinderance, however if you want to remove all hinderances to society (an absurd proposition) start by getting rid of alcohol, weed, video games, entertainment etc. etc.

>>687337066
Fuck off French
Bill Kristol is not welcome here

>>687337066
Fuck noi,
Socialist cuck

>>687336520
You do not owe them your money, and you should not. The society (USA) you participate in isn't Africa, you made the choice to participate in America

/pol/ is a hillary shill board that pretends to support trump for the meme value.

as such, they hate Bernie because he can actually beat Trump, and because he is not Hillary.

Because trump supporters are fucking retards. "Yah I support trump, fuck everyone else! So what he's going to support the rich I don't care...fucking mexicans! I'll sit here and drink my natural ice and watch my wincest!"

>>687335388
>>687335815
>>687335892
I'm not arguing for Bernie, I'm arguing against him. But also against pure democracy. In response to the guy who seems to think the majority should just rule, regardless of the cost to the minority. Both have similar results because their implementation is similar: mob rule, taking what they want from people that earned it.

>>687337066
Yeah. Thats pretty close to my politics.

>>687337569

>if you were old enough to vote I might give a shit

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>>687337969
"Democracy and Capitalism go hand in hand"(paraphrase)

>no democracy

fuck off you fucking commie

- Benjamin Franklin

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>>687325234
>>687325631
mmmmj bait seasoned juuuuusssttt right

>>687335388
>Go figure, another racist leftie.
No, just pointing out the ridiculous allowances of a pure democracy. As a white guy, I'm more worried by the prospects of being eventually outnumbered by others and having my wealth redistributed by the masses. If we were to go the route of pure democracy. But the slavery example is apt, and a pure democracy could implement it.

>>687337467

wot

>>687336520
>I have no moral obligation to anyone other than myself.

Child (or man child) detected.

>>687334171
He is to be loved and cared for like a cat.

>>687330538
Gun Control: Gun control legislation should ultimately fall on individual states, with the exception of instant background checks to prevent firearms from finding their way into the hands of criminals and the mentally ill, and a federal ban on assault weapons.

>>687335405
Switzerland is a direct democracy in three tiers, with a constitution, a three-branch government with separation of powers, and federal councils/administrations. Citizens can vote directly on policies, but they do not create or administer the policies. So it is in every way the same as most other representative/constitutional governments, other than they can vote directly, rather than vote for a politician who represents their view.

This is very different from a pure democracy, where the mob rules based purely on their numbers.