Did they apologize for Pearl Harbor?

>>687290830
Japan has made it clear they don't want the United States to apologize because they would then be pressured to apologize for a ton of shit they did. Not just Pearl Harbor but a ton of things they did around Asia and to their own people.

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>>687290926
pearl harbour was military

hiroshima and nagasaki were civilian

>>687290926
Good point right there.

>>687291153
Bomb shit get hit.

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The bombing was regretable. I wish we had used diplomacy instead of hurting innocents. If there are any japanese or japanese decendants reading this, please know i would appologise if i were personally responcible. You were a proud and furious force and would not waver in determination.

>>687291153
Exactly!

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america should also apologise for agent orange and abu grahib!

>>687291310
Found the weabo

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the bombs were justified. Anyone who said otherwise hasnt studied history.

>>687291310
Yeah they were real fucking heroes butchering their own people. Fuck off.

>>687291153
civilians were killed in the pearl harbor attacks. i presume those were just collateral damage and should not count, considering we are in the age of p.c. war.

>>687290830
no

>>687291153
So any bombing of a military site when the soldiers are not at war is acceptable?

I get your point but it's not like we were at war with them yet.

>>687290830
Should Japan apologize for being the worst humans on the planet until we dropped the bombs?

>>687291310
>Use diplomacy
Roll for diplomacy anon!

No. I don't believe there is anyone alive today that is directly involved with bombing those cities. Current America didn't do the deed so apology is not in need.

>>687290830

Yes

>>687291310
I just cringed out of my chair, you will never be more than dog people to them, no matter how many yellow pin dicks you stroke.

>>687292071

/thread

>>687290830
Apologize for saving hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of lives? Why would we do that?

>>687290926
amerifag, in pearl harbor, died 3-4k of the armed forces, while the atomic bombs killed over 200k civilians

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>>687290830

>>687292028
I'd botch and end up nuking tokyo.

I said it was regretable- but their determination would not allow room for deplomacy- of course we all tried but people suck in general. We all failed to get along, war is the product of that. We must look to the future not the past.

"Not only will America invade your country and commit atrocious acts, they will come back 30 years later and make a movie about how killing all those people made the soldiers sad" - some comedy guy

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they didnt die instantly

some took weeks or even months

>>687291153
military industrial centres and military supply centres. hardly purely civilian

They did warn japan about the weapons of destruction, but i really think one would have been more than enough and they shouldn't have bombed a civilian city.

Truman warned them to end aggression. He informed them that we had a new weapon and would use it within days. They hose to keep fighting. Sucks to be them.

>>687292286
Maybe they should have thought of that before starting shit.

>>687292232
Because Japan is one of the US closest pacific allies, most valuable Asian trade partner, most stable and highest ranking democratic government, and apologising would fucking build healthy mutual relations, you inbred "us exceptionalist" cunt

>>687290830
Nope

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>>687292436

>They hose to keep fighting.

>>687292180
Fuck off you little faggot. Children died it was shitty.
I dont give a fuck how they see me,
I'd like an apology for all the shittythings that happened here too. But that wasn't the question.

I don't think we should apologize per se. I do feel the amount of civilians lost is regrettable, but the death toll could have and would have been much higher had we gone any other route.

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>>687291751

>>687291153
What about Unit 731?

>>687292435
What civilian city was bombed? From the histories I've read, we bombed two major military factory cities.

I think everyone forgets that the US dropped pamphlets all over Hiroshima telling the Japanese that they would bomb them if they didn't surrender. They were warned

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WE WARNED THEM

I am just glad the ruskies got the bomb or we would all be dead from America by now.

>>687292603
Neverrrrrrrrr

>>687292712
Are you fucking retarded?

>>687290830
No, fuck you

No.

Japan was acting belligerent before WWII and were finally dealt a blow that made them step the fuck back for a minute and reevaulate their world. Forbidding an army may have helped but the left and right combo of Hiroshima and Nagasaki certainly neutered a savage and out of control mountain island monkey men.

Then they got all artsy and into computers and shit. If anything they should thank us. Like the sub urban black man.

>>687292424
We weren't at war when they hit us so they basically were the same as civilians. I could see if we were gearing up for combat, but we weren't. They attacked a nation at peace. Don't want none, don't get none.

>>687291310
You are soooo dumb. They committed horrible crimes against the Chinese and Filipinos. Why do you think the Chinese despise them? You need to study history instead of being a little Japan anime fag. They were horrible people that tortured and killed in the name of Japanese domination. They had to be stopped.

>>687292603
That doesn't even make sense, they should always remember how awful they were and we should never forgive them for their atrocities. Let alone apologize for ending them.

>>687291916
Pearl harbour 2350 military + 68 civillians dead

Hiroshima 140,000+ civillians dead

Yeh its basically the same thing......./sarcasm

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>>687292647
cunt

>>687291520
Not gonna happen, you fuckin gook

>>687292647
Let the emotions rule you, I'm sure you're pissed that gorilla was killed on the one hand and passed kids were killed on the other. Lrn2logic you pussy.

>>687292386
>instant nuclear annihilation
>instant ramen

hmmm

>>687292712

>kek

nice b8

US textbooks do have their version I guess.

You even bombed one city just because it was cloudy over the original target.

>military expertise

>>687292753
That's not true

>>687292859
Nation at peace my ass

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ITT: hateful Trump voters thinking USA is always right

america needs to come to terms with its own despicable behaviour

>>687290830
Apologize? No. Pay respect to the dead? Yes.

>>687292776
Are you? Those cities were not purely civilian. They were major munitions supply lines.

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>>687292932
>140,000 civilians

That's fucking wrong idiot it was 90,000. I know you hate the United States but that doesn't give you the right to make shit up.

did the japanese stop visiting that silly war shrine that pays respect to their war criminals?

no?

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>>687290830
My Dad used to say, don't start the fights, but you make sure you end them.

>>687292631
Really?

>>687293108
Technically speaking, wet hasn't declared war. We weren't at war with Japan. They hit us unprovoked. We shouldn't apologize just cuz we won. If they won, you think they'd apologize? Top kek

They shouldn't have to apologies, it’s not even in there generation so why should they apologies for something their ancestors did? It's like apologizing for slavery it’s not in our generation .

>>687292867
How am i the dumb one? I said i wish diplomacy were used instead of us having to frag them. I didn't excuse them for things they've done. Did the children who died rape the chinese? Really? Fuck you for gerberalizing an entire country for a shitty military regime.
How about you hop off of everyone elses argument's dick and articulate your own fucking opinion.
Mine is i regret a bunch of innocents had to be wiped pff the earth to end a war.

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>>687293414
*we hadn't

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>>687293333
checked

>>687291310
Do you know ANYTHING about the Japanese during WWII other than that we dropped a-bombs on them? They were genuine villains at the time, if any country can be said to be villainous. They did some sick shit, even to their OWN people. Plus there's the whole "Rape of Nanking" thing, which the Japanese government denies to this fucking day.

>>687293333
The quads have spoken.

>>687292965
Great responce you little child. Oh wow! And a generic reaction picture! Someone give this faggot a metal.

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The USA should apologise for not doing a better job.

>>687292859
exactly what I was sayin. they attacked military and non military personnel and 4 years later it was teryaki melt time

Not before slavery

>>687293434
>gerberalizing
Maybe you should stop gerberlizing your asshole for 3 seconds and study some history

>>687293414
It's the new commie line to feel bad for doing well in life. Never gain anything because it'll make someone else feel bad, so you have to feel bad if you were "lucky" enough for life to be favorable to you. Fuck all you little cunts

>>687293555
Trips of Truth.

2 MORE BOMBS!

>>687293675
Thank you

SJW warrior born 60 years after these events and only learned about them as they skimmed through their history books to complete a worksheet one day in Coach Jenkins' class would have you believe that these cities were full of children, lollipops, and bunny rabbits who were incinerated by those evil warmonger Amerikkkans. The reality is that these cities were carefully chosen because they were centers of the japanese military complex, i.e. their destruction would greatly diminish the japan's ability to make war. The civilians in these cities, including children, were trained on how to hug explosives and roll under tanks. These were hardly innocent places. All of this aside, japan chose war. Their leaders at the time were too ambitious. They clearly underestimated the US, and they paid dearly. You can't start a war and then complain about the how the enemy fought back too hard.

>>687293034
Didnt really care the gorilla was shot, its not a person- sucks they're going extinct though. I think the parrents should be fined for negligence though.

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>>687293550
>give this faggot a metal
>a metal
>metal
cunt

>>687290830
No. Compared to what the Japanese did at the time, that was nothing in comparison. Had the US not bombed the two cities who knows how long they would have dragged it out and how many more people would have died.

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>>687291153
When they apologize for the rape of Nan-king and China as a whole

Can't have your cake and eat it too

They stopped those crazy Japanese fucks so no.

its war. They had the choice to surrender before hand and they didn't. Now with that being said is what the USA did wrong in my mind? Yes but its war. Next thing we will have to do is say sorry to ISIS members who we torture and kill. They started the shit we ended it. War is war and war will not stop. Canadianfaggot here.

>>687293495
Don't forget Unit 731, which was all kinds of fucking wrong

>>687293495
Yeah all those kids who blew up rapped so many chinese, great logic.

>>687293643
Yes, people make typos. Idgaf, call the police.

>>687293070
Are you really so fucking retarded that you believe they sent out the most powerful weapons known to man without contingencies for bad weather? WTF just stop. If anything that proves they were being careful and not just dumping bombs for the fuck of it.

>>687293774
Can't disagree with you there

>>687293555
yeah the bombs should've obliterated them. oh well next time we'll set a larger diameter for them

Basically besieging/invading Japan would have been far worse, in terms of both suffering of civilians and in the effects on Japan as a nation.

That said america should (and has) showed some sympathy towards towards the civilians killed and injured in its nuclear attacks.

The sad fact is that in war strategic decisions ALWAYS incur a cost in human lives. Thats why war itself should be rallied against and hated, but not measures taken during a war.

>>687291153
>hiroshima and nagasaki were civilian

False.

>>687294250
Atomic

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>>687294048
christ dude, calm down and learn to spell check

>>687291153
Can anyone else point out how funny that picture is?

>>687292603
I don't see what this has to do with apologizing for saving lives, maybe you can stop trolling long enough to form a coherent sentence.

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1) By 1945 Japan was killing a quarter million every 30 days.
2) Japan was preparing for a land invasion in early 1945 by training civilians for suicide squads to storm the American onslaught to kill them. (The most liberal estimates according to historians would be over a million dead Japanese).
3) If we allowed Japan to fight another year the Soviets would have invaded the north of Japan making it a Communist puppet state like Poland, Ukraine, N. Korea, etc. (That means no anime you faggots and millions of more dead due to Communism's glorious starvation and death squads.)
4) By 1945 majority of the infantrymen enlistments were up meaning younger men would have to fight in the mainland invasion "Op. Downfall" (average age being 18 years old; younger than Viet Nam's average fighting age of 19).
5) The military needed to justify their nuclear research and B-29 project to the government so a show of force was the most sensible way.
6) Fire bombing killed way, way, way, way, way more than the nuclear weapons. (I don't see people crying about that).
7) Japan literally killed millions of people for nothing better than ethnic nationalism, OH JEEZ AMERICA YOU TOOK IT TOO FAR (CRY ME A FUCKING RIVER).
8) Japan declared war on the U.S. not the other way around.

I know this is a /pol/ meme but for the faggots who actually don't know anything this is for you.

>>687293163

What country are you from?

>>687290830
Make an official apology with two more bombs

>>687293070
They changed targets because bombing Kyoto to the Japs would be like bombing Mecca to the Islamic people. Would have just made them all go apeshit.

>>687293774
>its not a person

spotted the god jockey

>humus r spetal

>>687294474
>>687294106

>Peal Harbour was a military base, it doesn't justify bombing civilians
>Peal Harbour was a military base it doesn't justify bombing civilians
>Peal Harbour was a military base, it doesn't justify bombing civilians
>Peal Harbour was a military base it doesn't justify bombing civilians
>Peal Harbour was a military base, it doesn't justify bombing civilians
>Peal Harbour was a military base, it doesn't justify bombing civilians
>Peal Harbour was a military base it doesn't justify bombing civilians
>Peal Harbour was a military base, it doesn't justify bombing civilians

meanwhile the Japs slaughter millions of Chinks, Flips, Koreans, Malays, Indonesians, and a whole bunch of other non-Americans, and none of these 'progressives' even mention it. Maybe because it goes against their 'America = most evil country ever' narrative. Maybe just because all their knowledge of WW2's Pacific theatre comes from three chapters in their high school history textbook.

>>687294852
Spotted the furfag

Fuck with the bull - you get the horns.

Not to be confused with: Fucking with my balls gets me horny.

>>687290830
I don't even think Obama apologized did he? Probably but I hear he didn't

not really, just like Germany should't have apologised for the holocaust.

>>687290830
Yes and also for bombing Dresden

>>687294546
I think you make some excellent points that everyone should consider. However, it should be remembered that the Japanese were suing for peace before the bombs were dropped but were turned down. This was not because 'only an unconditional surrender would do' because their surrender was conditional on the preservation of the Emperor (who remained in office and sanctity until his death in the 1980s).

The nukes, like Dresden in the West, were primarily a show of force to the Soviets. The military merit was basically non-existent.

Why apologize? We won.

You apologize if you lose.

>>687294119

sorry anon but they are correct

>read a book crackerjack

no excuse to be stupid on the internet. Info is all around you

>>687290830
>you get sucker punched by a skinny jap
>you turn around and knock him the fuck out
>hurr durr apologize to him! He dindu nuffin.

No, we shouldnt. The bombs were their apology for fucking with us.

>>687294957
Or maybe they have a better grasp of logic and morality than 'They killed innocents which justifies our murder of innocents.'

This was during an age where civilians were considered assets and killing them was a legitimate part of war. Anyone with America's options would have done the same, many would have done worse, Japan during that time would have done far worse to American civilians if they could have. It sucks that civilians were open targets during that time, I don't necessarily agree with this, but that is how it was, and none of us today had anything to do with it, why should we apologize for our ancestors? That's ridiculous.

>>687295114
OsamA apologize for everything to everyone. He is a weak, traitorous, disgraceful, embarrassment of a POTUS.

>>687294546
you forgot the "scientific research" japs did to POW's/civilians

but /thread

>>687290830
Yes we should apologize. Its the right thing to do that we owe reparation to them. No country should suffer from a nuclear blast let alone twice. The aftermath killed a lot more ppl because of the radiation. If there are any japanese ppl on this thread, *bows head* im sorry on behalf of america please accept my apologies for your loss.

>>687292286
>civilians
>people who were supporting the Japanese war machine
choose one

It's the same deal as the Israelis, yeah 10% or less are doing the killing/terrorism, but a huge portion of them act as a support structure to that 10%, which is why I'd be fine with turning known terrorist locations and everywhere within 50 miles of each of them into glass. Anyone that does not actively oppose a tyrannical government or force is a coward or a supporter, both deserve death.

If the US would've invaded the Japanese mainland, millions of casualties would have resulted.

Dropping two bombs on Hiroshima & Nagasaki resulted in roughly 240,000 deaths.

People get caught up in single mass events when it comes to death. For example, an airliner goes down and 200 people die and it's all over the news. On the same day, more people die in car accidents. However, that's not perceived as being as tragic.

There's your answer. We should not apologize. In fact, we should tell Japan, "you're welcome" for saving so many lives AND investing in their infrastructure after the war.

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>>687290926
Don't start a war then

>>687295641
faggot

>>687293555
nice trips, yep the nukes might've been the difference between freedom winning/losing. Although the context is different today, the Japs were the enemy, and no number of demon-monkeys were equal to a white person's life.

>>687290830
Nope lol. They started it, we ended it. Amerifat style.
SUCK IT SQUINTY

>>687295641
You are no longer US citizen. You are Kalifornian liberal crybaby bitchcuck.

it wouldn't change anything
america is a shitty country

>>687295216
This is a lie. There is zero evidence or record of the Japanese "suing for peace"

>>687295641
That's like saying we should apologize for slavery. People today really had nothing to do with the bombings. Why would we say sorry? I have nothing against Japan, but I had literally nothing to do with the bombings, so I'm not going to say sorry for it.

>>687291153
at that point standing order was every last standing japanese man woman or child is a combatant to an outside invader. arguably everyone become fair game at that point, but it was stupid of them to keep the war going.

Fuck japan, america and anyone involved in nuclear weapons programs should apologise to the whole world for creating a weapon with the potential to end life on earth. Godless science at its finest

>>687295287

>tfw everyone except Americans know their history better than them

>us education at its finest

kek

The A-bombs, as unjustifiable as they might be, have allowed the Japs to basically shirk responsibility for the litany of crimes against humanity they committed in the course of the war.

These weren't isolated incidents where soldiers were excessive or poorly trained. This was the implementation of policy that was imperialistic and genocidal. As well as abominably cruel. They have been spared the shame of this.

>>687290830
The only way murrica can win wars is droping nukes couse his soldiers are a bunch of faggots that aim like shit and are only good for raping or killing stray dogs. The armies of axes were disciplined and loyal, asians are extremely good soldiers with no ego, who will obey any mission even if its mean suicide, germans used to be this way too, murrican soldiers faggot are to busy doing crossfit

Bottom line all you fucklets saying we shouldn't have bombed them you'd be singing a different national anthem if it weren't for those bombs and not to mention the 100s if not millions that woulda been lost on both sides of the war went on
>tldr japs started it we finished it

>>687291751
A fucking plus.

>>687290830
nips shoulds appologize for every damn war crime they committed

"To determine the treatment of frostbite, prisoners were taken outside in freezing weather and left with exposed arms, periodically drenched with water until frozen solid. The arm was later amputated; the doctor would repeat the process on the victim's upper arm to the shoulder. After both arms were gone, the doctors moved on to the legs until only a head and torso remained. The victim was then used for plague and pathogens experiments.[71]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes#Human_experimentation_and_biological_warfare
not to mention the damn canabilism. btw they would cut flesh from people who were still alive and just leave them to die

>>687296072
Not a lie, it can actually be demonstrated that there were attempts made by the Japanese to sue for peace prior to August 7th. This is fact.

>>687295038
fuck with the bull, the bull shits itself and drops bombs

>>687295425
Well, that's pretty much what we've been reduced to as a people.

>>687290830
It was between attacking Japan with nukes or invading (most likely with far more casualties than the bombing). The US should never apologize.

If anything the Japanese government should apologize to their own people for starting a war they had no chance in.

>>687293105
Yes it fucking is retard.

Japan was running a strong propaganda campaign, claiming that if they were to be over run by Americans... That it would be better for them to kill themselves.

You don't understand how the entire population was ready to die before surrender.

They needed to understand that we really could wipe them from the earth.

Absolutely not. What would it solve? It most people from that Era aren't even alive anymore.

Politicians use public apologies to get camera time to promote themselves for public opinion. It's absolutely ridiculous waste of time and money.

>>687295641
You people keep saying nuclear. Why?

>>687292647
Crying so hard. Don't say anything too rough, he'll go to his 'safe space' and blog. Kys anon, please.

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>>687293555
Also, the japs should apologise the whole world for making our children a bunch of fucking sissy weebs

>>687292603
>>687292647
Kill yourselves.

>>687296549
More than that, for joining a war they had no rightful place getting involved in.

Japan entered the game late, long after Hitler started his "aryan race is best race" shit....

Knowing that they still aligned with the Nazis....

How fucking retarded can a nation be?

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without the atomic bombs we wouldnt have anime

so no

>>687296150
So no medical isotopes, x-rays, nuclear power, (which is the greenest) or higsboson?

Are you stupid or somethin?

>>687292329
Amen brother

>>687296356
I assume you're referring to Dulles' contact, the navy officer? He had zero ability to negotiate a surrender for the Japanese government and no person with the right to negotiate a surrender from the Japanese government indicated even a modicum of willingness to discuss surrender prior to the bombs being dropped. Even after the bombs had been dropped, not a single one of those people made any claims that an attempt had been made. Zero. it is a bald-faced lie by history revisionists.

In early 1945 Japanese navy circles in Berlin tried to begin peace negotiations with the United States. Using their contacts with the arms trader Friedrich Wilhelm Hack, they sent Commander Fujimura Yoshikazu to Switzerland, where he opened talks with Allen W. Dulles of the U.S. Office of Strategic Services. Though the Japanese navy and Foreign Ministry showed some interest, the peace attempts finally failed since neither side took the initiative to an official level. Fujimura confused his government by claiming that the Americans had made the first step, while the U.S. side waited for proof that the administration in Tokyo was backing the navy officer's initiative. - (Krebs 2005, see pp. 1108-1112)

cont..

>>687294699
Vietnam

>>687296356
Furthermore...

The most often repeated condemnation of American diplomacy in the summer of 1945 is that policy makers understood that a promise to retain the Imperial institution was essential to end the war, and that had the United States communicated such a promise, the Suzuki cabinet would likely have promptly surrendered. The answer to this assertion is enshrined in black and white in the July 22 edition of the Magic Diplomatic Summary. There, American policy makers could read for themselves that Ambassador Sato had advised Foreign Minister Togo that the best terms Japan could hope to secure were unconditional surrender, modified only to the extent that the Imperial institution could be retained. Presented by his own ambassador with this offer, Togo expressly rejected it. Given this, there is no rational prospect that such an offer would have won support from any of the other live members of the Supreme Council for the Direction of the War. - (Frank 1999, p. 239)
I would like at least a sketch of the elements within the Japanese government who were in a position to control the surrender and an understanding of those elements' position on surrender.

As historian Robert Butow pointed out in 1954, the fate of Japan rested in the hands of only eight men. These were the emperor, his principal advisor Marquis Koichi Kido, and an inner cabinet of the government of Admiral Kantaro Suzuki called the "Big Six": Prime Minister Suzuki, Foreign Minister Shigenori Togo, Army Minister General Korechika Anami, Navy Minister Admiral Mitsumasa Yonai, Chief of the Army General Staff General Yoshijiro Umezu, and Chief of the Navy General Staff Admiral Soemu Toyoda.

cont...

>>687290830
soon as the japs apologize for Pearl Harbor, Bataan death march, all of our POW's then maybe we might say sorry

>>687296356
There is no record whatsoever that any of these eight men proposed a set of terms or circumstances in which Japan would capitulate prior to Hiroshima. More significantly, none of these men even after the war claimed that there was any set of terms of circumstances that would have prompted Japan to surrender prior to Hiroshima. The evidence available shows that in June, a memorandum from Kido to the emperor proposed that the emperor intervene not to surrender, but to initiate mediation by a third party. The mediation would look to settle the war on terms that echoed the Treaty of Versailles: Japan might have to give up its overseas conquests and experience disarmament for a time, but the old order in Japan would remain in charge. Certainly there would be no occupation and no internal reform. - (Frank 2009)

plz stop lying kthx

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>>687296755
>still thinking the nazis were the actual bad guys

>>687296564
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/primary-resources/truman-leaflets/

>>687295488
>'They killed innocents which justifies our murder of innocents.'
'innocents'
Every Japanese adult in Hiroshima and Nagasaki was fully committed to the Japanese war effort, and most would have been materially contributing in some way. As for the children, well, tough luck. (besides which millions of Japanese children would have died anyway if Japan had kept fighting. Watch grave of the fireflies sometime)

japan still occupied vast areas of east asia towards the end of the war. Why is it more moral to allow the Japanese to continue slaughtering innocent chinese, Koreans, Vietnamese, etc? As the Americans had the means to end the more quickly, it was not just morally justified but morally imperative that they use it.

>>687290830
No. none of us is responsible for what happened
What's gonna be next ? Apologize for the slaver...oh shit

>>687292848
*subhuman
Get it right anon

>>687296853
I second that.

Everyone butthurt about Japan.

When they've been terrorizing the Pacific rim for almost a thousand years now.

>>687290830
Nope, I like Godzilla too much to regret it

>>687296564
I forgot to mention along with the link that we had already dropped the bomb before warning the rest of Japan.

>>687295488
it does because they set the rules of war. there is no moral high ground in war. there is only ending it.

>>687296297
Worst b8 of the entire b8 thread. Congrats.

>>687296755
Actually it started in ww1 at the Treaty of Versailles. The Japanese had major issues with Russia and China but every Asian nation was ignored at the league of nations becuase of their race. So Japan was pissed off at US.

>>687297201
Oh it's fun to watch though

>>687297022
>Gets his historical knowledge from anime like some weaboo neckbeard
>Sounds off in an actual historical discussion

Shut the fuck up and get back to /mlp/ you retard.

Also assertions like "Every Japanese adult in Hiroshima and Nagasaki was fully committed to the Japanese war effort" could be made about any people at any time in history the moment their government commits a crime. You are a fucking stupid person for making it.

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All the fucking weebs in this thread should be happy. If we didnt drop those bombs 'Akira' would have never been made, they would know nothing about Japanese culture, and silly ass bait threads like this wouldn't get them any attention so they could stroke themselves off onto their hentai pillow case wiffu's.

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>>687296150
Literally any object ever has the potential to end all life on earth, weapons are just an easier way to do it. Suck my butt anon.

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Of course not, neither should they or the RAF for Dresden.

>>687291153
In Total War there is no such thing as a civilian target, the Japanese launched balloon bombs into the upper atmosphere with the specific intent of killing random random civilians in the American northwest. A city is an industrial and military production facility, its docks and warehouses contain materiel that will be used to further the war effort, it's citizens are raising children who will join the army and or work in factories building weapons, it's taxes pay the wage of privates and generals, pay the cost of battleships and machine guns. There is no such thing as a non military population center in a global, total war.

>>687290830
Never, it was the most humane option, it ended the war rapidly and unequivocally. An Invasion of Japan would have likely resulted in the death of at least a third of the Japanese population, the complete obliteration of its army and the total destruction of its industry, had the bombs not been dropped post war japan would have been a smoldering depopulated ruined, fit only for occupation and colonization by the conquering power. There would have been no Japan left to rebuild.

>>687297153
>Godzilla
K
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>>687292386
some soldiers receive war wounds that debilitate and cripple them for decades before eventually killing them.

are people so void of compassion they cant even say a single sorry

thi is why the world hates us

>>687290926

/thread

>>687297067
You made me laugh anon

>>687291310
>I wish we had used diplomacy instead of hurting innocents
How well did that work with Germany after WW1? Fags like you have the blood of millions on your hands for suggesting such shit when you have no justification to be ignorant.

We should've nuked Kyoto and some other old city instead of a 2 new cities, though, since at least then Japan would be creating a newer and more efficient identity.

nope

the japanese weren't going to stop unless the usa did what they did.

look up unit 731 and rape of nanking. the japanese were fucking brutal during ww2. they had to be stopped.

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>>687290830
No, we shouldn't.

There was only one way to end the War in the Pacific, and that was to force the Japanese to surrender. These people were fighting to the death. Not just the soldiers in kamikaze raids, but also the civilians. Civilians, under threat of U.S. capture would throw themselves and their children off cliffs just to avoid the U.S. army. The Japanese were not gonna go down without a fight, and that meant there was gonna be much more bloodshed. We had to show them that we weren't gonna take that bullshit. We nuked their two, untouched, highly populated cities to show that we could easily destroy them without our troops being on the ground and in harm. The psychological damage that Hiroshima and Nagasaki brought the Japanese to support a surrender and Hirohito finally stepped down from being emperor.

No we should not apologize, because it would have been a lot worse if we just went in to invade them.

>>687297201
All facts though, you loose to irak and vietnam cause you send you "soldiers" instead of droping nukes faggot, fucking vietnam who is poor as shit compared to you

They were warned multiple times.

THEY ANAL'D MY BUDDIEZ!!!

>>687297494
invasion: a hypothtetical and equal uneccesary war crime.

>>687297866
To apologize Implies wrongdoing, America did not begin the war. We were in no way required to continue supplying the genocidal aggression of an Imperialistic power. We stopped selling them oil and metal, they attacked us and murdered thousands of our people. We lost thousands more repelling their aggression against ourselves and our allies, and when it was made clear that we had a choice between Nuking them and spending another ocean of blood we chose nukes, war is not a game played by agreed upon rule, it is a death struggle in which the only rule is win.

Japan started shit in overconfidence and could not win, now they whine about the conditions of their loss.

>>687290830
they should've dropped another one

>>687290830
no. they attacked us first and refused to surrender, we did what it took to force them to.

>>687298295
Fucking this. It is not everyday that /b/ speaks truth about the horrors of war. Now anon has me wondering if this is god-tier bait.

We have them warning, they didn't surrender. Do you know anything about history

>>687290830
Yes

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this
pic related for the japs

>>687292529
Because they should think of usa as inhumane?
Damn that's retarded

>>687298295
>Japan whinning
You are confusing samurais with african-american, hippies and american soldiers families

Japan was a piece of shit back then, to this day they still officially deny unit 731 even though several scientists from that unit have testified it to be true

>>687297349
>could be made about any people at any time in history the moment their government commits a crime
firstly, not really. Even in Germany there were plenty of people who didn't like the Nazis. But no one in Japan questioned the Emperor, or the war effort.

secondly, yeah, you could make that argument. Just because you don't like where it takes you, doesn't mean it's an invalid argument to make. The people who make the rules might find it convenient to draw a distinction between the people who stay at home making the weapons and the soldiers who use those weapons. The soldier might be an 18 year old kid who was a civilian a few weeks earlier, but he's fair game for some reason while all the other cogs in the war machine aren't. Why? Because the people who make the rules are the ones who get to stay at home.

Ever notice how anti-nuke protesters are mostly women? Nukes makes it far less likely that countries will go to war - but women know that if there is a purely conventional war they're not the ones who're going to get conscripted, whereas in the event of a nuclear war they'll go along with everyone else.

>>687295114
The tone of his speech was highly apologetic, but he never technically apologized.

>>687298630
Nigger they did worse things themself, look up unit-731, the rape of nanking or the bataan death march. Japs were rabid dogs in ww2 and needed to be put down, be it with firebombs ala Europe or nukes.

>>687292932
You're right, it's not. One was attacked unprovoked for not selling it's resources. The other was a country that was at war killing civilians for decades.
You WWII PC apologists are fucking faggots. I love when you guys meet Chinese students in college and try to tell them to respect the Japanese.

>>687293301
90000 dead from the initial blast and a further 40000-50000 dead after 2 months from radiation - also these are just figures for hiroshima there were around 60k -80k killed in nagasaki

I dont hate the usa - just dont like it when they cry about terrorists killing civillians when they have killed more themselves

As someone who owns numerous diaries of both Japanese, British, Russian, Chinese and American and others of civilians and soldiers something my great grandad kept from the war... Illegally. Which now reside in a bunker I own 10m down in a humidity controlled environment (digital copies have been made) and stored online. They include diaries from neuengamme concentration camp survivors and the RAF crews that bombed them and the comfort women. Recounts of what the Chinese and Americans found what the japs did... Gas testing on POWs and one Japanese doctors test papers and photos...horror... The japs deserved it. And so did the Germans. The mentality they had at the time, and still do... If they had of let them keep going we would be living in a different age like imagine the Indian caste but global and 10x worse. German and Japan should have been wiped off the planet.

I onceasked and was told to hand it all over. Also that releasing anything before 100 years would be treason. Thank god I used a different name.

>>687290830
Did the Japanese apologize for what they did to China?

>>687290830
Nope. Not just being edgy or anything. Simply No.

>>687298288
You are either a troll or massively ignorant.
What are you implying we should have done? A blockade? Japan cannot feed itself and again, literally the entire population would have died of starvation.
A Treaty? We offered peace through unconditional surrender, they refused, we had already won the war, it was only a question of how many more japanese would die before it was enforced, they chose to keep fighting and keep conscripting their young men to be butchered in unwinnable battles, and to have their cities and civilians bombed into dust.
A defeated aggressor does not get to make demands.

Invasion was not hypothetical, it was Plan A, already prepared, and the casualty estimates ran into the millions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall

Atomic Bombs were a last minute opportunity presented to end the war quickly and with minimal bloodshed. Had they not been used everyone in Hiroshima and Nagasaki would have died anyway, they would have been bayoneted, or bombed, or burned alive, or shredded by artillery or machine gunned as they charged an American position with a bamboo spear that had no metal head but did have a crude chrysanthemum branded on it. The Japanese government at the time expended its people the way the U.S. Army expends ammunition, wantonly and without concern for cost. The Nukes saved far more lives than they took.

>>687295425
Can't argue with that logic.
>makes
>sense

>>687291520
Lol that apology would literally be meaningless

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>>687290830
No. It was absolutely necessary the US stepped in before Russia threw more bodies at the problem.

>>687291146
Japan should apologize anyway. All the bullshit they did was atrocious and having any of that as an open issue will expose their reputation to corrosion in the distant future where China has expanded its military capabilities. Their governments are far too proud, they can't even arrange for a sincere apology when pushed into it.

The JP government was pressured into "apologizing" for having enslaved Korean women into the sex trade before/during. The apology amounted to nothing more than an official statement, a statue being taken down by SK (afaik), and money to be set aside for a foundation to help those women (most of which have died off). The SK government also promised to never raise a stink about the comfort women ever again. Apparently it was a shitshow for the comfort women because they just wanted a personal apology and didn't get it.

>>687299452
>4304x2314
Gotta have that 4k Horsepussy

>>687292071
Why?

>>687298996
Yikes, you can't source them?

>>687290830
Nope. Civilian infrastructure used to make war time supplies like ammunition and armoured vehicles are valid targets.

>>687299600
Kek, just noticed I forgot to type "before/during World War II". Just clarifying.

From the point why the US dropped the bombs, they don't need to apologize. It seemed the only way to stop Japan and avoid much more people getting killed in regular warfare.

But it is a humane and humble way to apologize to those who were no part of the japanese agression, especially the children.

Friends should do that.

Well, and now that we are at it : Japan needs to apologize for what they did to the Chinese people...

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Most of the people in the West, including most of the people here in this thread, have no idea what they are talking about and are mostly vomiting up whatever rhetoric they've previously internalized.

Apologies aside, the prolonged firebombing campaign on the civillian population of the Japanese mainland vastly overshadows the atomic bombings, but never gets mentioned.

As a people, we have to make a choice, which will weigh on our next major conflict and the ability to maintain cohesion as a nation.

Is the purposeful destruction of civillian populations a matter of course in a major conglict? If so, then all our major cities, New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston, and so on, should be seen as "good" and "justifiable" targets in war? If so then how can we condemn terrorism which does just that?

Before anyone who doesn't know history speaks. The firebombings in Japan are well known to have been targeting civilians, without question. The US military cited justification for the prolonged firebombing campaigns was to force "Permanent absenteeism in the work place" Nevermind if it's an elementary school kid, or a farmer. anyone with sense can see this is an injustice, or they should logically also believe places like Houston and New York are reasonable military targets and the killing of civilians in war is a good thing.

>>687290830
The real question is should Africa apologize for HIV/AIDS?

Even Obama refuses to apologize. I hope that sinks into SJWs who think history is nothing but progression of the humanities

>>687290830
It's not like an apology would bring back people from the dead

>>687292010
>we
You are just a useless fat moron who masterb8s to guys in girls clothes. Get real and fuck off, you didnt bomb anybody you weaboo fag.

>>687290830
No. But they screwed up. Instead of bombing the living shit out of Japan they just made few dents and instead of killing them all, they let majority of them live. Now, instead of prour warrior race we have millions of retards that are (for example) into cosplay, anime and dog fucking.

WHY GOD WHY!?!?

>>687290830
no. the government was warned "surrender or face the consequences" and they didnt listen. the americans even dropped pamphlets before they dropped the bombs telling people to evacuate.

>>687290926
shut the fuck uuup about pearl harbour already

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>>687290830
>>687291153
>>687291310
>>687291520

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uC4AUyju7k

>>687299909
>Most of the people in the West, including most of the people here in this thread, have no idea what they are talking about
>proceeds to add nothing new to decades' long discussion
You must be that dumb autistic kid in class who doesn't listen then rants

>>687293762
this, finally an fairly informed response

>>687300176
Maybe if they didn't bomb Pearl Harbor we wouldn't be talking about it. They should apologize.

>>687300176
Ohh ok so their sneak attack shouldnt be apologized for but our attack that we repeatedly warned them was comimg should? Get fucked you retard.

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She supposedly has seen it go off...

>>687296957
>>687296931
>>687296882
Checked and respect' /b/ needs more niggers like you.

KILL ALL THE SLANT EYES, ZIPPER HEADS, GOOKS, KIKES, CLICKERS, JIGGABOOS, SANDNIGGERS, QUEERS, KILL EM ALL

>>687300172
Yeah but they did not say: ''surrender or face the consequences because we have developed a new kin of weapon the likes of which have never been seen before and which has the destructive power of a god, on a scale that you cannot imagine, which has never been used before and which shall usher humanity into a new age'', did they?

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>>687300343
Shitshitshitshit

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>>687290830
Lesson to the world to never wake the sleeping giant

>>687300435
This is bullshit, I've been flashed by arc welding, my eyes are fine.

>>687290830
Most people talk without knowing shit about what happened.

The Japanese were already ready to surrender. They simply did not want to have to unconditionally surrender. They wanted to surrender for a long time before the atomic bombs dropped. They simply wanted a conditional surrender where they could maintain their way of life, which was important to them considering their ancient history, which America wholly lacks as a new nation.

Also, Pearl Harbor was the only choice Japan had. America had implemented embargos on their trade which had stopped the flow of petrol and oil into their nation, which would have starved and stagnated their people.

The US forces economic hardships and pretends it's justice, when they give other countries no choice in living their lives.

People who think Pearl Harbor was unjustified simply don't know history. The Japanese were under extreme economic pressure by the US embargoes, which was severely affecting the entire country..

>>687293968
This is the only credible reply in this thread.

>>687290830
Should the Japanese apologoze for Pearl Harbor? The Rape of Nanking? Or to the American and Australian POWS? Or to any one under Japanese rule like Korea and the Fillipeans?