Are you a born again?

What made you change your beliefs? Are you a moderate or far right republican?

>>687177244

Anon is a liar.

>>687176644
What took you so long?

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What finally brought you into the light my son?

Libertarian?

how's the 10th grade going?

What pushed you over the edge?

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>>687177244
Hillary Clinton did.

I was the JFK style liberal. It used to be good. Now it's this SJW safespace BS.

I guess I'm moderate. Liberalism used to mean something. Now it's the party of good for nothing millenials who want to feel like persecuted victims although they live in one of the most culturally and economically developed countries in the world.

>>687176644
Not like you can't be both

>>687176644
I'm so sorry... What caused your brain trauma?

>>687177906
Was pretty good about 4 years ago.

>>687178130
Me too, anon.

I was far left until recently. Now that I have a job and see the social justice bullshit, I'm definitely right leaning on social issues.

>"equality and tolerance for all we love everyone"
>"STFU U CANT SAY THAT RACIST MISOGYNIST BINARYIST ABLEIST PIG"
>liberal logic: let's preach freedom unless we don't like how you exercise your freedom

Fuckheads.

So some SJW faggots completely changed your political outlook to the opposite of what it was at? You were either a weak liberal or never was one. People switch between democrat and Republican all the time but most don't go from liberal to conservative or vice versa

>>687178626
It fucking sucks. The left used to mean something. I don't want to be grouped in with Glenn Beck and Ann Cunter but I don't want to be grouped with losers and feminazis.

>>687178957
>weak liberal

lol ok dude

>>687178626
Yes yes, blame liberals for batching while you yourself bitch about the batching liberals. Sound like a conservafag to me. You were never a liberal, just a left leaning centrist

>>687176644
Confirmed pillow biter

>>687176644
Both the Democrats and Republicans are terrible. Republicans vote themselves into poverty and blame the other people in poverty. Democrats ride about their high horses yelling about the "oppressed" people then do nothing about it. Libertarians are the party I'd have chosen if it wasn't full of angry neckbeards and people who can't economics. Basically the US is fucked so I just get what I can while I can and refuse to have kids who will likely die poor. If your rich do what you can to make sure your own kids are the slave masters and not the slaves.

>>687178957
We live in a time of the most polarized political parties in the history of this country. So essentially Democrats = ultra liberals and Republicans = ultra conservatives. So switching between parties is basically the same as switching ideologies.

Oh and you're a pussy bitch almost forgot that

>>687179173
Obviously I'm right though

>>687178626
SJW are not liberal just because they call themselves that, just because you´re left leaning doesn´t mean you have to identify with these cunts

>>687179495
No you dumbfuck, that's not how it works lrn2politics

>>687179539
This
I can't be the only liberal that hates SJWs as much as the right wingers

moderate is the best way to be extreme liberals and extreme conservatives are both retarded

>>687179274
>blame liberals for batching
>bitch about the batching liberals
Yeah, I don't see how any of that is contradictory. I didn't say "fuck those liberals for giving the gays freedom, sick of them pushing their beliefs on us yadda yadda."

I just criticized them for being hypocrites. You can't preach tolerance and equality while shutting down the right to voice opinions for any and all stances they are offended by. I.e. The limits placed on free speech on many college campuses. That's just bullshit. It's paradoxical.

>>687179495
>>687180010
y'all niggas need to fix up your retarded 2 party fpp system or else you´re always gonna get grouped together with either SJWs or massive cuckservatives

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>>687176644
When Trump loses in November - how will you react?

>>687180449
^^^ this anon speaks truth.

I'm same anon from >>687178626 and I can definitely agree with this.

At this point here in the U.S. I don't even know which party I'm a part of or who I should back. All I know is I think we should limit government intervention in daily life as much as possible (which IS a liberal idea, I've no problem with gay marriage abortion drug use etc etc.) but since I truly cannot stand the hypocritical practices of the postmodern liberal democrats I'm basically forced to identify with the right because there's no way to make a distinction between the SJW

>>687180441
I agree with that for the most part, but if all those whiny SJWs made you switch from liberal to conservative, you weren't that liberal in the first place, so saying you were far left probably isn't true. You were more moderate than you thought

>>687180867
So because of other people, you switch ideologies? You weren't really a liberal

>>687181112
Not switching ideologies. Switching alliance.

Small gov't all around is libertarianism, which is really what I'd like but it doesn't seem like Gary Johnson will get a shot this cycle either so IMO the republicans would be the lesser of the two evils because they generally prefer fiscal conservatism. The postmodern democrats are trying to enforce personal freedom through government intervention, and I don't agree with that.

>>687180867
maybe there's no way to make a distinction between the SJW and normal people in the supporters, but surely you could find a candidate or representative that isnt completely fucked in the head somewhere

>>687176644
WHO WILL SIT THE IRON PHRONE?

>>687181534
they´re not trying to enforce personal freedom through government intervention, that would be alright. problem is that they´re trying to limit personal freedom and freedom of expression on a basis of "muh feelings"

>>687181534
Liberalism and conservatism are ideologies.
Democrat and Republican are alliances

>>687176644
you grown up and got the job??

>>687181629
I did, Gary Johnson haha. But again, two party system basically makes him and his Libertarian party an unrealistic option

>>687181936
That's what I meant, my bad if I wasn't clear on it. I meant they're getting the government involved to limit others freedoms in favor of their own.

>>687181955
Correct

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>>687180612
LoL

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>>687181534
there is nothing in trump's platform or rhetoric that would suggest this. "make america great again" is clearly nothing but a slogan for imperialism. it is the hitler idea of the german empire, a declining and betrayed empire. the call make it great again is a call for intensified imperial war and rape. he says that stupid 'anti-nato' shit to gain support among the isolationist right, the tea party type. if he is elected there is no way he will dismantle the most extensive and successful imperialist apparatus the world has ever seen.

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>>687176644
Long live the soviet union

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>>687180612
1

>>687176644
Why are you so anti-American that you have to choose a side, further creating a divide in the country which will ultimately lead to our downfall?

>>687176644
Why are you so retarded? First you're a liberal and now a conservative. Both labels are for braindead children who need to be part of the club. It is just to affirm your own beliefs by being part of the "group". Fuck you :)

>>687182804
Afraid of Trump, and apostrophes apparently.

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>>687182916
This guy gets it.

>>687176644
Did you kne you have to shit on a dick then eat ot to be republican

Trump turned you around to see the light, huh, op?

>>687176644
Oi so like hillary is the best zomg

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>>687180612
lol

A lot of you saying SJW is the reason you flipped. Both sides of the political spectrum have their flaws and if SJW is the one of my party then so be it. Not as bad as the bigotry from the right and the quick to send us to war but never approve any measures to take care of the mental health of our soldiers. Trying to make the bible law is also silly. Doesn't matter you guys won't win in November. (And ps even I think SJW's are shit. But more and more people are calling them out for their bullshit so it's not like the Democratic Party is defined by that)

>>687182512
>mfw that anon probably agrees with your analogy and supports that idea

im sorry to say it but you lefties across the pond really did cause that mess. when a states people feel as if they're having their way of life taken away to try integrating "aliens" (not just referring to your immigration problem), it's only natural that eventually they'll turn to a hitler, or a trump, to "put them back in their place," per say.

you can't rush progress. it happens naturally. the yanks seem to have forgotten that, though to be fair to ya you did rush progress pretty successfully circa 1780's ;)

>>687183498
no, it's not as bad.
It's worse.

>>687181936
Nahhhh, this isn't true. Are the Tumblr and SJW annoying, fuck yeah, but how are they trying to limit rights for everyone. I never understood this argument

>>687183498
Stop using logic. We're /b/. We're ironically right wing and lefties can just fuck off! :)

>>687177410
sauce?

>>687182454
he seems like an alright dude, even though i strongly feel that his positions on the economy would run this country into the ground in the long rund, but that´s another issue.
seriously though, how is there no significant movement for a reform of the political/electoral system?

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>>687183693
They openly make efforts to limit opposition to their ideals.

If you're going to do that, don't reside with us in the Democratic Party. That's not democratic. That's fascist.

Those tumblr folks, you ever notice something? They shitstorm and rain hell everywhere when they're offended by something. They only want liberalism when it benefits their agenda.

Like fuck, they can want utopia and they can try their everlasting hardest to shut up anyone who offends them, but don't call yourselves democrats (which sadly they do)

>>687183498
Thank God, someone else who has the same feels as me. Sure the SJW movement is bullshit but it's only because the Internet has given more and more people the means to voice themselves. I'd still rather be associated with SJWs as a liberal than the KKK as a conservative

>>687183693
by trying to actively silence and outlaw any opinion that differs from their own?

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>>687184205
>rather be associated with SJW's than KKK

gotta say good analogy anon, touché.

>ITT: /b/ actually has a civil discourse on politics

We did it fellas. Never thought the day would come

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>>687184311
neverhillary

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>>687184205
And as annoying as those feminazis and BLM faggots are I can see why Trump is alluring. They want an answer to this NOW. But voting trump also bring all of his ridiculous ideas (uber expensive wall that won't work, "hurr durr China is killing us on trade I can fix it!" *Doesnt say how). My thing is those annoying feminists and BLM apes are destroying themselves from within. As time goes on and the more and more they go on they show how ridiculous they are. Both are constantly losing support by the public becoming more and more informed via cold hard facts. I love watching a feminist get destroyed during a wage gap argument or a BLM fool getting destroyed when someone brings up black on black crime and how their organization is doing zero to combat it.

What is this? A respectable debate on politics on MY /b/!? I won't stand for this

>>687183563
Underrated post. Us Amerifags need to really let this sink in for a moment

>>687185716
god bless you in your hope for reason in people

>>687183991
https://thecharnelhouse.org/2015/07/06/nothing-new-to-see-here-towards-a-critique-of-communization/
This shit's relevant

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>>687186826
again

>>687183563
That's just fucking stupid and so is anyone who buys into that.

If you're honestly so mad at SJW's arguing for their rights yes their practices are bad but they have a purpose if that makes you mad enough to vote for a Hitler analogue you shouldn't even be allowed to vote

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>>687184202
Hey man, I get it. Republifags deal with the same shit on their side. It's just an extremist view. For so long only the conservatives had extremists, it was something often associated with the left thinkers, but it's changed now.
I've been a socialist for over 15 years but this pic makes me question everything I believe, so I get the frustration, but I'm not gonna let the SJWs make me switch affiliation and chose a side that wants to take more rights away cause "muh bible".
SJWs are the lesser of 2 evils when compared with conservative christfags

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>>687187157
jesus christ literally everyone looks either like a retard or uncomfortable as hell

>>687187157
^^^ people like us are a dying breed anon but it warms my heart to see a fellow level-headed dem

>>687181534
you think republicans are fiscally conservative? that's cute.

You'll be switching to the next fad you see on the horizon.

>>687183105
thank you. political parties are for people too lazy to educate themselves.

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>>687176644
How does it feel going from being an annoying politically illiterate piece of shit to being a stupid politically illiterate piece of shit?

>>687187954
I feel ya. Nice to see other liberals on this site, and not being yelled at by faggots that liberals just want free shit. 2hich I find hilarious cause all the conservative faggots on here talk shit on liberals and worship veterans. I'm a liberal veteran, so you think they consider my input, but nope, they dont

I was so happy when I heard Bernie was running, but now all his supporters make me want to cry. I won't vote Hillary cause she is a neo liberal cunt not worthy of liberal support, but I'd never vote Trump either... Jill Stein it is then

>>687189297
>conservative faggots on here
Yanno /b/ro, you'd be surprised most of them take it down a notch after you give them a similar rundown how you did here lol >>687187157
They seem kind of like the confused anons who started this thread. They immediately associate us with the SJW's thanks to our shitty 2 party system.

I feel like a big portion of this country could get along if we'd just agree to a moderate than trying to sway each other to the polar opposites, because doing that (even for a socialist you must admit) just polarizes and divides us even more.

I don't think socialism is such a bad system at all, it's just been bastardized to be synonymous with the USSR. Bernie seems to have helped dispel that, though. Nonetheless, whether it's good bad or otherwise, I don't think we're at a point as a society yet where we could even have a 60:40 split in favor of either sides extreme

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>>687187157
Honesty, the extremists on both sides are equally fucked up for wanting to take away our rights for stupid and/or arbitrary reasons.
>sjws
>like, zomg like, that white MAN, like, has like, dreadlocks N SHEET #killwhity#notallmuslims
>stormfags
>holy shit, this fucking TV show has a black protagonist, GAS THE KIKES!
It's autism beyond the spectrum.

>>687190257
Kek'd

Not anon you replied to, but what's wrong with the separatists?? They want a homeland for all people. Pure seperatism doesn't bear any hatred, in my opinion. It just says we prefer to stay with our own kind.

Even as a black man
>inb4 Uncle Tom

I wouldn't mind having a homeland for my people, we could be fully autonomous and none of us could pull that petty shit and blame everything on whitey.

You guys could do the same and then not be able to blame crime etc. on us.

Is that bad?

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>>687176644
god bless you OP

Why didn't you end up being a commie like me? A lot of liberals change around high school or college to either communist or conservative. I went the commie way.

>>687190111
You're right, but the reason both sides have had successful outaiders(Trump and bernie) is because Americans in general are sick of the status quo. Rich keep getting richer and the poor stay poor. The big issue is the talking points thrown around. Fox news blames poor people and minorities while CNN conservatives. People just want things to get better and the moderates haven't done shit but make themselves more entrenched. The only voters who want to keep moderates in power are those who have everything going right for them. All the poor and disenfranchised in this country either went Bernie or Trump

>>687190257
I definitely get your point but those extremists have always existed. Only difference now is that the Internet makes people think others give a fuck about what they say.

>>687190732
Naw. Separatists view themselves as better than those who they want to separate from.

>>687191740
Why commie?

>>687193253
I asked you first

>>687193385
I DONT TAKE ORDERS FROM SOME LENIN LOVIN COMMIE SON OF A BITCH! NOW TELL ME!

>>687176644
I could never go full conservative, but I'm sure as hell a former liberal.

Good on ya OP

>>687190732
I suppose not. I always had a bit of a fantasy of moving to my ancestral homeland (Im Moravian Czech by decent).

>>687193893
Since you asked so nicely
I chose communism because I saw how people suffered in the poor communities of my old neighborhood in New York, and how people either couldn't find jobs, or were barely paid enough to live in those jobs if they found them. I saw the brutal actions of past presidents purely in the name of keeping capitalism in countries. I saw how all these libertarians completely ignored that their free market policies would only end up making corporations our new government, something I shudder at the thought of. I could go on, but I usually need points to provide my communist counterpoints.
Also, I don't love Lenin. I think he was kind of a cool guy, but he fucked up badly so many times.

>>687176644
the interesting thing is people become conservative as they age. its only natural.
I was liberal as all hell when I was younger.
besides liberals today are obnoxious fucks.

>>687176644
>Liberalism: a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality, advocating the freedom of the individual, parliamentary systems of government, nonviolent modification of political, social, or economic institutions to assure unrestricted development in all spheres of human endeavor, and governmental guarantees of individual rights and civil liberties.

>Progressivism: a shitty, authoritarian political movement founded on social justice and marxist principals, generally propagated by people claiming to be "Liberals."

>Conservatism: a political philosophy that favors religious, cultural, national (or other undefined) beliefs and customs, generally in lieu of other more reasonable alternatives.

>SJWism: Basically the most cancerous of the progressives, with the religious fervor of the conservatives.

You are probably actually a real liberal, OP. Don't let progressive or SJW propaganda destroy the best achievement of Western politics by slandering Liberalism and redefining it to suit their needs. Keep being a real liberal, don't degrade yourself to conservativism, and call out progressive bullshit-- they cannot be both progressive and liberal in politics, they are mutually exclusive.

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Dumping:
> The Devil in Your Subconscious: The Real You

>>687195311
Please screencap this and repost it in every single SJW/Pro-Trump/Anti-Liberalism/... thread you come upon.

>>687195853
stop

>>687176644
when did you come to your senses

>>687195959
okay

>>687195959
underage fag dectected

>>687196026
Keep going.

>>687195959
>>687196158
Underage would drool, gay fag sounds more suited.

>>687176644
Do you retain your liberal beliefs and merely carry the Conservative title, or did you completely abandon your former teachings and embrace the Constitution? Serious question; I personally believe that many of these lefties in trumps camp simply didn't want to see a traditional conservative [s]have a chance at going against[/s] obliterating Hillary.

How much do you love the taste of black cock? I bet you love nascar and wrastlin too don't you?

>>687195853
Dont stop

>>687176644
How many shovel blows to the head were required?

>>687195311
This anon gets it.
>blue dot in a red state

>>687195853
plz moar.im fapping to this

>>687195311
I agree with everything you just said except that progressive part

> Progressivism is a philosophy based on the idea of progress, which asserts that advancement in science, technology, economic development, and social organization are vital to improve the human condition. Progressivism became highly significant during the Age of Enlightenment in Europe

Don't let SJWs ruin progressivism brah

>>687179373
EXACTLY, this is why people hate the liberation party. Maybe people will like it more when we become a nationally recognized party.

>>687195311
you seem to have some misunderstandings about conservatives. I have no doubt that you justify your simplistic description of it by equating conservatives with a lower intellectual ability but it would appear that you aren't fully exercising yours if you think that thats all there is to the poliitical ideology of conservatism.

>>687197589
No, he was pretty spot on with conservatives.

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>>687196820
not enough.

Independent here with a serious question.

If it is racist then just admit that it is racist, own that shit..

"Make America Great Again"

Make American great for who? What decade?

For Whites?

When was America great for Minorities?

M.A.G.A, I am assuming is for Whites..

Not cucking.. but asking a serious question.

why do you yanks keep confusing progressive for liberal?
>being conservative means you got liberal values
>being a leftard means you got progressive values

>>687196963
In 30+ years, your silly excuse for a
"party" has NEVER cracked 2% of the national vote. NEVER.

Let that sink in for a moment.

This is a moment in time with great potential for a third party or independent candidate to mount a serious attempt -- but don't expect a non-serious party to do it.

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The dumb assed-ness in this thread...priceless.

Americans are fucking retarded.

>>687198080
>Not cucking.. but asking a serious question.

are you seriously acting apologetic over this? is this how afraid you are of anonymous fuckwits?

>>687195311
>implying being a liberal means you vote democrat
I'm sorry, but I actually like rights and individualism. I vote republican.

>>687198208
Cool post. You must be eurotrash cause you said some words, but it means nothing

>>687197836
i disagree and pigeonholing conservatives into this description by limiting the category to restrictive religious, nationalistic, or other social ideas is a false description of conservatism as a whole.

>>687198147
Reagan's political team succeeded in making "liberal" a dirty word in the US, and Democrats, who used to proudly claim that descriptive, have been running from it ever since. They have now hit on "progressive" as their new label, which means something else entirely, but sounds good. Who can be opposed to progress, right?

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>>687198690
Dude people like him have their heads so far up their ass they are hopeless. They actually think that democrats want more freedoms and the republicans wish to take them away. They have forgotten who the real enemies of free speech and the 2nd are.
>pro-tip: its the fucking lefties.

How do you post now that you've lost your brain

>>687196922
Progressivism is shit. It started as a social movement, which basically makes it inherently political trash.

>advancement in science, technology, economic development, and social organization are vital to improve the human condition
No shit. Who the fuck doesn't assume that by default? There may be different ways of applying those things, but no reasonable person goes around saying "Science is bad, we must stop the science!"

At its very root during the European Enlightenment, progressivism started as a fairly reasonable and empirical way of thinking, and was discussed almost entirely by Classical Liberals. But this was way before it was in any way politicized. Then in the late 1800s/early 1900s it became a social movement geared almost entirely toward socialist ideals. From Hegel to Marx, it was degraded into an anti-capitalist political movement, and perverted from its roots in Classical Liberalism. It spawned the entirety of the SJW philosophies and causes, and is a gutter of a breeding ground for cancerous ways of thinking.

TL;DR: Progressivism was ruined before it ever even became a real political philosophy. Just say no to progressivism.

>>687198690
I understand why it'd piss you Off to be pigeonholed like that. Maybe consider that when conservatives do that to liberals
>pro tip: it's all the time
Besides, I've never met a conservative who doesn't vote based on religion, in fact most of em wear it as a badge of pride

>>687199167
Who gives a flying fuck? Democrats hate free speech and most the bill of rights. Get this, its not your fucking right to kill babies.

Religion already has no place in governement. Why someone thinks murder shouldn't be allowed is irrelevant. And I say that as a pro-choice agnostic republican.

>>687176644
How it feel to be right for once in your life?

>>687197589
I do understand that conservativism is more complex than my description. And I don't think that conservatives, by default, are stupid or bad people. But they do, at their core, put more value on their cultural/religious/whatever traditions than on reasonable discourse in politics. It is the core of their political philosophy, and the driving force of their policies.

>>687199385
>And I say that as a contrarian retard.

Lol heil hitler or gtfo

>>687199606
>just because I believe in individualism and human rights I must be a religious whack job
Democrats are cancer. Someday you will learn that.

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>>687176644
Congrats on growing up. Liberalism is for kids and women.

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>>687199769
democrats and all the social-demoncrats too will face extinction under the coming communist order nigga

>>687199167
maybe 30 years ago. I am not religious you just keep getting duped by your party leaders and a media ripe with advocacy journalism into believing that they are the core. While modern conservatives can't currently escape their influence because of the labeling and the way republican party leaders use it to corral their constituents into "going along with the program" so to speak in actual conversation with most people that label themselves as conservative to me the religious thing is never actually discussed unless brought up by a politician or news group hoping to influence someone. Usually the conversations are fiscal at base level.

>>687198517
>implying I was in any way implying party affiliations
You can be an individual with liberal values and also be a republican. Republicans are much better at promoting some liberal values than democrats. Democrats are better at promoting others.

But realistically, both parties are completely corrupt authoritarian disasters, and both are taking more of your liberal rights away every single election cycle. So go ahead, keep voting your party line, asshole, ans see what happens to your rights and individualism.

(btw, my response would have been about tohe same to someone that said "Hur dur, I'm a Democrat!")

>>687198984
LOL, you fucking idiot. I know plenty of liberals who own guns. Latest straw polls say 85% of liberals are fine with guns. But whatever, just believe whatever bullshit fox news shits down your throat. It doesn't make you an idiot at all.

>>687200363
Republicans are 1000x the lesser of both evils
>>687200458
Sure, thats why every democrat ever tries to pass shitty gun laws. That is why every "liberal" nation is a no guns hell hole. It's why holocaust denial and hate speech is banned in every "liberal" nation.

Enjoy your kool-aid, I'll choose a dose of freedom.

>>687199113
So you were against women suffrage. Didn't want them to vote huh?

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>>687176644
This is a fucking scary concept when you freedom on speech is something that only exists when no one around is offended.
>pic not related

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>>687200458
>Latest straw polls say 85% of liberals are fine with guns.
Anon, hunting rifles don't count. Tell me more about how great California and New York are.

Lying fucking shill.

>>687200632
you do know the republican party was the driving force behind that movement right?

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>>687200870
Funny since a kike is the favorite democrat
>>687201192
Dude, don't waste your breath

>>687201192
Wait a minute, you're saying that the GOP shills for the Marxist social movements?

Is Trump the real Jewish money-grubbing cuck all along?

>>687201289
And conservatives are gentile cattle, slaves just the same as democrats, but to different masters

>>687201501
At least the republican masters aren't intent on taking away the last of your freedoms. Pretty simple choice for all but the mentally ill

>>687200632
>that's a wonderful strawman you're making, anon!

Women's Suffrage was a rights issue. Classical Liberalism, on its own and before Progressivism, came to the conclusion that voting rights (among all other rights) should not be limited by demographics.

Humanism and egalitarianism both predate feminism, and both supported the equal treatments of all people. Progressivism is a politically slanted shit-tier philosophy, and feminism was inherently flawed from its beginnings. Both should be discarded, and only true humanism/egalitarianism, without bullshit Marxist additions, should survive.

>>687200631
People arent jailed for hate speech or denying the Holocaust, they are just ostracized for being retards. You think that you should just get to say what you want and no one is allowed to reply.
If you're a Holocaust deny, you're a fucking retard, and probably anti-semetic

>>687201663
Your pen might have some fun toys in it, but you'll be milked all the same you dumb faggot

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The only thing I know for sure in life...

Is that Hillary Clinton will win in November.

If you're intelligent, you know that fact, too.

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>>687201839
This forever.

>>687201470
would've thought that the whole civil war thing would've clued you into the republican desire for equality under the constitution but you guys have had that reality twisted to where you deny that it could have ever been the case.

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>>687201973
me again.

Hillary WOOOHOOO 2016 is ours!!!!!!

>>687200631
>Republicans are 1000x the lesser of both evils
Reagan killed more personal rights with Executive Order 12333 than any president in any of our lifetimes. And every president since, regardless of party, has continued to degrade our rights. Both political parties in the US are authoritarian, and both are set on taking away your rights. Neither is 1000x better, or even all that different in the end. Fuck you for being part of the problem.

>>687183563
Seriously? Eurofags are now doing lectures on succesful integration? Latin Americans are culturally Catholics who speak a European language, follow European norms regarding family, values, etc. AND believe in secular government and separation of church and state... The problem with Americunts isn't "integration" per se but entitlement and identity politics...
>>687178130
This is bs, opression by cuck SJWs in Tumblr and Youtube is aboiut as rational as getting triggered because your special brand of snowflake minority isn't "adequately protrayed" in movies... American conservatism became about ill disguised racism the second Obama won his first election and the flipping of ideological positions has become pathetic and ridiculous... "Conservative" Trump wants to increase debt/spending, is against trade liberalization, quotes as his favorite bible passage the one Jesus went out of his way to specifically disqualify, does not believe in charity as a solution to social issues and has not lived his life in accordance to conservative Christian values, even now he's fucking married to a mail order bride ffs... Hey, but he doesn't give a fuck about "black lives matter", will make Mexico suffer and will ban Muslims from travelling... Race/ethnicity are the overriding concerns of so called "conservatives" and to argue otherwise either means you're playing dumb or really are retarded to fetal alcohol syndrome degree...

>>687201818
>People arent jailed for hate speech or denying the Holocaust, they are just ostracized for being retards
Except they are jailed for that, in every nation on earth but the US. Hell, even in Canada its illegal and people are jailed you dense fuck.
>If you're a Holocaust deny, you're a fucking retard, and probably anti-semetic
I'm not retarded but free speech is free speech. Demoshits hate that.

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>>687176644

What drove you away?

To me it seems like the liberals have totally turned against free speech in the name of political correctness and conformity and by doing so they've abandoned the only principles they had which I respected.

>>687202284
>Fuck you for being part of the problem.
kek. yeah i'll just vote for a libertarian then. get real nigga.

TRUMP is Making America Great Again for Whites.. because when was American great for minorities?

What decade does he want to nostalgically live in?

>>687202559
the ones that neckbeards can't survive in anyway.

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These are likely trolls.

But there truly are still some people who tout the "successes" of the GOP LOL

Of course they've forgotten GW Bush, his massive increase of govt, his spending, his wars. And Reagan was a liberal by today's standards. The 'trinkle-down' economics have hurt middle-class republicans more than anyone else.

>>687202759
shut up and listen to funny /pol/ meme.

How about no

I'm a nazi
I am Hitler's grandson

>>687200803
>Anon, hunting rifles don't count. Tell me more about how great California and New York are.

How do hunting rifles not count as guns dipshit? Good job moving the goal post. But hey, you've already decided what you believe and dedicated yourself too it, despite how much of a retard it makes you look. Why would you change anything based on the facts?

>>687202715
This is why he will lose.

I need to buy a firearm because it is going to be absolute chaos when Hillary wins.

>>687202284
that may have been what it morphed into but when it was signed it wasn't capable of what it has now come to be used for.

>>687176644
A conservative is a liberal who was mugged.
Or got a real job.
Or simply grew up.

>>687203002
>Democrats love guns, just like a few and fuck you turn in what you have. You can have a single shot shotgun and a bolt rifle.
Fuck off.

>>687176644
How many times were you dropped on you're head to think that we care?

>>687178626
Exactly.
"Diverse Like Me"

>>687202885
I won't tolerate anything form /pol/ here. this is /b/. not /pol/. wanna make it look like /pol/, get banned. that's really all there is to it.

>>687179315
Typical liberal: attack people personally when they disagree with you.
Liberals are the biggest freedom-haters out there, that's a fact

>>687201818
The holocaust never happened, it was fabricated so jew$ could make more money from holocaust movies and memorials and etc

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>>687202312
I was only talking about hate speech in the US, which you can't be jailed for unless it instigates violence. So what makes what I said dense? The fact that you didn't like it?

>>687203096
It was capable. It was just unthinkable, in everyday politics, to be used as it is now. And EVERY president since has expanded it and abused our rights further. No political party has made any attempt at reversing it. So fuck them.

>>687203616
I'm not talking about the US you dense fuck, I'm talking about every other liberal nation on earth, Canada included.

>>687203616
There's no hate speech laws in Latin America...

>>687203157
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>687186921
Let's be clear - she is a cunt -
But that quote is fabricated.
Google "Hillary Des Moines register quote" and there are several articles debunking it.

>>687203933
Well I wasn't you retarded faggot, so get over it. You think Canada and France or any other euro country has the same type of liberals? United States, that's what I'm talking about. Liberalism is the states. Jesus fuck, did you graduate high school?

>>687203876
the mass surveillance capabilities were never really there until the last decade or so and I doubt it was ever unthinkable just undoable. It took years of technological advancement and 2 decades of influence to get us to the point where people would accept this shit.

>>687204079
You're a lying shill. Democrats hate guns, except fudd shit. You aren't fooling anybody. Jesus, you probably think NY and CA got shit figured out. Either way fuck off, you and your "85% of democrats"
>>687204431
All the same faglord. Where the fuck do you think this PC shit is headed? To undo the first, like every other nation on earth you dolt.

>>687190257
Extremists on the left seem seem much more common because they are (falsely) perceived as being less dangerous.

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>>687204350
Stop denying my free speech, you holocaust fabricator.

>>687204529
>unthinkable
I said politically unthinkable. It would have been political suicide.

>mass surveillance capabilities
The difference is a phone tap with a person listening to recorded tapes, or automated recording. Both are surveillance, and both infringe on the same right in the same way. It was a fucked up executive order that should have never happened.

>>687204656
Dude I hate that bitch too, but spreading false shit doesn't help our cause

>>687204555
Both of your replies are directed at me. Makes sense, I was worried I was arguing with 2 retards, turns out it's just one.

Like I said jackass, your just believing what fox news is selling. I'm a liberal who's served in the military and owns several firearms, some are rifles some are pistols, but I love the 2nd amendment all the same. Most dems do to but you retards only focus on the few. Just like you retards look at other liberal countries and piss you pants because for some dumb reason you think that's the road we're going. Well news flash dumb ass. Those countries aren't America and there's no reason to believe that we'd be anything like them if we leaned more left. Everytime I think, hmm conservatives don't seem so bad, I meet a retard like you

>>687198080
America has been pretty all right for a lot of people. from all over the world. from all races and religions. and regardless of current political climate for many across the globe it is still a beacon of hope. no one wants that to change. having enforced borders and lawful immigration is not the same as the racist xenophobia that people are labeled with. fyi my grandmothers maiden name...Ramirez