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/b/ i was wondering if there were any good ways of checking if your girlfriend isn't cheating on you while being a long distance apart.

in my case she's temporally away because of college, i never really worried about this too much untill i heard one of her ex boyfriends has gotten back in touch with her but she never told me he did so i got kinda paranoid. any ideas /b/ ?
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>>687173795
Same as you man, mines gone for 3 months. Give her her own space, creeping wont help - nor will worrying about her.

Let her do what she wants, if you were man enough she will always come back
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If you are a long distance apart, your gf is cheating on you. Get over it.
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>>687175035
i don't know if she is, i doubt it to be honest, but the fact that she didn't tell me does make me want to have a way to find out if it does happen. she'll be gone for a while
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>>687173795
you can always try one of those gps tracker apps, though that won't help much if she takes the Dick where she lives
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>>687175488
wouldn't i need acces to her phone first for that?
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>>687175309
he's probably balls deep right now
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>>687173795
she will reveal her true nature in time
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My girl is away for a week on a campsite with her recently divorced sister. Going out on the town at night... I'm sure she'll end up banging some guy...

Here's her ass, fuckable, right? Not very reassuring... lol
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>>687173795
>>687174394
i don't really see how anyone doesn't cheat in college in these situations, and if they don't how they don't end up resenting you for preventing them from having had some fun and experience.

maybe tell her it's okay to stray a few times, but no regular things with dudes?
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>>687177151
i don't see why college should be an excuse. i'm not going to tell her straying is ok. i don't want to encourage it.
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>>687177529

Because you are meeting new people who are generally on their own for the first time, partying, figuring out who they are, what they like and don't like, what their views are on politics, society, sex. Forming their first really serious bonds with others.

I don't see how your girlfriend can do that if she has some dude in another part of the state/country/whatever worrying all the time who she is going to kiss, what she is doing etc. These things really don't tend to work.
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get in here https://hangouts.google.com/call/tfualajonjbxfm6fgxyopp3ykue
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>>687177529
so you're forcing her to go without sex for that long ? why do you hate your girlfriend ?
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Every girl cheats eventually if they think they will get away with it. Sucks.

Another of my girlfriend's ass... heh...
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>>687177990
i don't really believe that. i've already gone through college and i didn't feel to need to cheat thne with my gf at the time. it's just an excuse to fuck around
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>>687177065
>>687178385
dude just stop its gross. I am happy you love her though
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>>687177990
This. Spot on. She will cheat and there's nothing you can do but hope she loves you and decides she wants to be with you. She's still gonna suck a bag of dicks behind your back though...
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>>687178409
okay, and what's wrong with fucking around? How old are you now? How many people have you each been with?
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>>687176868
i hope its adamant
i need a good tank, and im more of a spec. attacker
pic related
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>>687178638
Look, she's not bad for 40, come on...
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>>687178733
>what's wrong with fucking around?
it's wrong because you agree not to do so when you start a relationship ? that's like signing a contract then violate it immediately because "hey what's wrong with it"
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why do you want to keep having her from fun ? she'll do it anyway don't bother checking
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>>687179140
yeah, but it's good to have some period of your life in which you can sleep with multiple people if you so desire.
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>>687179399
if you do that while your single, no problem, whichever gender you are, but don't do it if you're with someone.
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>>687179387
>>687178705
how can you all be sure, look i'd get it if she was showing more signs. but for now it seems unlikely, i just want to have a way to check in the future
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>>687173795
if he's black just have camsex over skype now and thne and check if her holes aren't ruined
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>>687173795
just develop a cuck fetish and jack off while watching her blow dudes over skype.
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Women can be more faithful then you guys are willing to give them credit for. Date a good girl who isn't a slut.
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>>687179818
I'm 39 years old, have had pleenty of girlfriend's in my teens, some long distance - all cheated. In a relationship now for 18 years, nicest, timid girl you could meet, she got wasted on a night out, actively pursued younger male, made out and grabbed his cock - took his phone number and left. We worked through that, she was sorry but she still did it and if you knew her she'd be the last person you'd expect would cheat.
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>>687178385
Can't agree with that. I have a gaming buddy that I've been trying to get close to.
She's only had 2 crush's in her life and is super religious. Knowing her for so long, she's definitely not one to cheat.

First time I confessed she said no because she wants another religious man. Other than that she said I was fine.
Anyway, yeah not all girl cheat.
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>>687175035
This, she'll tell you about her indiscretions when you guys are reunited physically, but you may not want to know.
She's alone, young, and surrounded by men wanting to cater to her.
You'll have to deal with that.
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>>687180432
>>687180594
thank you ! still suggestions to check in would be appreciated
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>>687180468
that happening once in 18 years means she is very, very good at not cheating which is very, very hard. so i wouldn't be the least bit mad.
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>>687180594
She just didn't like you.
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>>687180726
don't fucking check in autist, you either trust her or you don't.
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>>687180594
See above, seriously, I thought the same. Given the right circumstances - in my case all her friend's were single and she was out til 5am, wasted and horny... shit happens though
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>>687180729
I'm not massively, like I said, we worked it out but it forever changed our relationship. The trust isn't quite what it used to be.
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>>687180287
this is probably one of your best bets. she's already doing it, just suggest this and you can probably keep seeing her and it not being real cheating since you're there for it.
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>>687173795
>>687173795
>>687173795
>>687173795


nigga I got ur back, I can do an icloud rip of her and see her texts and send u shit if she is cheating.

fuck bro , I can find out for you tonight.
[email protected]
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just let her have fun OP
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>>687180594
Sameguy here

>>687180951
Dating a timid girl can go either 2 ways.

She's shy for the first few weeks and finally gets around to acting how she really is.
Or she's actually shy/introverted and has a good mindset of most things.

>>687180799
Saying a statement like that without even knowing me/her is a really dumb thing to do.
We both game over the weekends and we get along very well. we talked about it some time ago, it's really about the religious thing. She fears that things might not go well because of it.

Oh well, what can you do I guess.
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>>687173795
If you think she's cheating on you and you're taking it as far as to consult /b/ then that means you don't trust her and if you don't trust her then there's no reason to stay with her.

Grow a pair or move on. Don't prolong this shit.
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You're not going to find out unless you try looking for proof, she fucks up, or someone tells you.
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>>687181829
Luckily she's the latter. The only downside is she's a little boring in bed, not really the adventurous type unless her inhibitions are way lowered or she's super horny...
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>>687178966
Oh i didn't know that, i assume everyone here is young man, my bad
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>>687178966
>>687182430
this is me again, nice dubs faggot
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>>687182267
What I'm saying is she has a low sex drive which is why she doesn't - to my knowledge - really cheat.

She loves fantasizing about BBC though... lol
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>>687182550
Heh... You. I like you. Despite your bad manners.
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>>687182663
i bet OP's gf does aswell
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I've gotten so many girls to cheat on their boyfriends it's hilarious. Even the good ones. They all do unless you keep em on a fucking leash. I'm long distance, sneaky snuck her Facebook, snapchat, and her text messages on my computer (Apple), and basically made her feel like she will never have anyone better.

Countless times, I've seen dudes send her messages and shit, and she straight loyally say no get fucked. And not even tell me. I would act like when I visited that I went through her phone a little, and would "call her out" for not saying shit, which psychologically keeps her on a leash, and makes her feel guilty.

So no, OP. Not all girls cheat, but I sure do. And I only fuck girls with boyfriends and my attempts are 100% so far. It's called being a fucking alpha
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>>687182267
I see, but idk man out drinking until 5am? Doesn't seem so right minded.

>>687182663
I think this guy just hijacked our convo.
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>>687182884
>>687181531
>>687183045

i made this thread to get some help not to get more paranoid
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>>687183045
Christ. That's so fucked I actually see that working.
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>>687183045
hey, better to fuck someone's wife instead of being the chump whose wife is getting fucked

ironically, I find it easier at times to fuck grills who have bf's instead of single grills. grass is always greener etc... Just give her tingles she hasn't felt in a while and fuck her like there's no tomorrow, it's like they become born again

until they ditch your ass in search of more cock. But that's the name of the game
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>>687183045
>my computer (Apple)
so you want people to think you're a pleb ?
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Honestly, when you get to my age - 39 your priorities change and, hear me out, the idea of seeing your partner enjoying themselves with a BBC in their ass kinda appeals - just to see them have fun, y'know?
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>>687183273
get with the times faggot. this isn't the 50's anymore
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Instead of Checking if she is cheating. Make her cheat with... YOURSELF! I once made a second kik account because i didn't trust my girlfriend. I started flirting with her on the second account and she eventually send me nudes after a couple of days.

This will test if your girl is willing to cheat or if she is loyal to you.
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>>687173795
How did you find out her ex was in conctact with her? If anything I'd just ask her straight up why she's talking to her ex, as it is a legitimate thing to be concerned about. If she gets mad just say, wouldn't you be upset if you found out I was talking to my ex and didn't tell you about it?
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>>687183379
Incorrect. Its strategic since she has an iPhone, that iMessages will automatically sync. My desktop =/= my laptop.
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>>687183476
this is actually not a bad idea. the only problem is how do you convince someone you're someone else ? i don't think you can fake the camera anymore
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>>687183460
Yeah man! It's TOTES Xtreme and KOOL to get cheated on.
I'm bout to go on a date with my SIDECHICK!

L8er NERDS!
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Bail man in all seriousness do you want to deal with this the rest of your life
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>>687183045
I hate people like you but I respect you. I lack the self-confidence nor have I done anything notably achieving to feel like a catch so I can pull that shit..
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>>687183792
stop giving a fuck. grills gonna branch swing like they always do. adapt and make sure you always have some backup grills. sorry but that's the way it is
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>>687183402
Cucks gonna cuck
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>>687183742
This was a long time ago indeed. But what I found out a little while ago after the update. I still had the old version on my tablet, and I could fake the camera still, and forward it to the second account so I could forward it to her.

Or maybe u could just run the older version and stick with that.
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>>687184178
Yeah, you kinda warm to the idea. Wouldn't have entertained the thought in my teens and twenties.
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>>687183045
Do you ever feel bad about that? She worships you and you get pussy all you want on the side
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Just get a shit load of nudes of her. And if she does cheat on you. Just dump em on the interwebz. And if she is not cheating. U got a load of nudes of yo gf, nothing wrong with that
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OP's girl at college... ;)
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>>687184109
You straight up have that mentality of them retarded facebook posters I see on my wall.
You know, you ones that take the screenshots over and over until you can't even read the words anymore.

Not every girl is a shitty parental guideless American, there are decent females out there. They exist.
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>>687184685
>you get all the pussy you want on the side

Not only that, ANOTHER DUDES pussy. Read that back to yourself you fucking imbecile how do you think he feels
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>>687184798
Fuck you.
atleast >>687184234
is tring to help
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>>687184830
I'm sure they are out there, but when I say is derived from what I observed IRL
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>>687185000
Checkd.

She's getting pounded in a skirt right now. Grunting loudly. Probably with another cock in her mouth at the same time
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Hey OP. Just accept that this is your life now
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>>687183273
>i made this thread to get some help
you came to the wrong internet for that.
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Eventually you learn that the ONLY thing you can do is let go and fully trust that person no matter what you might really think or what she might get up to. You have to just let it go and hope she decides to remain with you...
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>>687185190
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>>687185248
more like

>she's never yours to keep, only yours to have right now

also applies to material possessions and pretty much everything else in life. shit comes and goes, circle of life blablabla
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>>687185449
just habeeb it OP
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>>687185236
i know /b/ can be a dick but i've seen them help plenty aswell

just hate the guys that try to rub it in >>687185190
>>687185184
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>>687185728
Damn what's the sauce to that gif
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ITT: OP gets mad when people point out she has chances to cheat, but gets happy when he sees a reply confirming she isn't.

Listen OP. She might be and she might not be. You either trust her or you don't. If you do, get over it and try to live your life without worry. If you don't, and it already sounds like you don't, then you can either try to catch her by looking at social media often and trip her up in a lie about where she is or what she's doing or just straight up tell her.

But coming from my experience, your worries aren't going to go away. With how easy it is to meet people and how open people are about hooking up, meeting on apps, etc, I would worry and not put it past her. I've seen plenty of girls cheat on their boyfriends in college while it's long distance. hell, I've seen them cheat when they lived WITH their boyfriends at the time. There's no stopping it.

Just try not to worry and do your own thing. Maybe even try to cheat on her so you don't feel bad if things don't turn out right.

Honestly, you just sound kind of ignorant and while the possibility is real, you aren't choosing to accept anything but someone telling you she's remaining faithful.

Ask her, try to catch or, or deal with it and quit whining on 4chan.
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>>687185751
anon is all about tough love. yeah you'll get scolded but not without being helped. good enough for me
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>>687185991
dont know
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Schrodongers girlfriend
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>>687186058
>Maybe even try to cheat on her so you don't feel bad if things don't turn out right.

so prematurely cheating ? that really seesm dumb besides i don't want to fuck anyone else
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>>687186373
ask yourself, what's the difference between love and emotional dependence
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>>687180432
I did just that. ...she cheated, didn't fuck him, but made out and touched his dick. Cried admitting it to me, begged me to stay. Told her anal or I'm out. I fucked her in the ass and left anyways.. btw anal is overrated
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Meanwhile at OP's girlfriend's college dorm...

I'm just kidding btw...
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>>687186596
yeah replace them with niggers and you're more accurate
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>>687186500
so you're tying to justify cheating ?
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>>687186564
Alpha
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I've cheated on my ex several times (never found out) and I can tell you it is just the physical need to fuck when I'm drunk. No emotional connection whatsoever. She'll still be coming home to you.

Probably.
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>>687186734
Here you go...
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>>687186793
that's not the question. it's more about in what way you'd be affected by her cheating
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>>687173795
Never been in a LDR, but i have zero jealousy. If whomever I am with wants to go fuck a guy/girl, I encourage them to go get it, and join in if possible.

Your wasting your energy worrying about it. If it happens, it happens, and trying to check for it is a waste of time. If anything, them cheating and having a bad experience can help you. What if she fucks someone else and thinks afterwards, "holy shit my bf is so much better".
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this is now a "what OP's GF does in her sparetime -thread
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>>687180432
Well this anon >>687183045

certainly proved that
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>>687187096
fucking more like this. im gonna cum
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>>687187096
she'll be having a great old time
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>>687187096
Oh damn that shit would make me livid
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>>687183273
shes probably not cheating on you. just relax. shes more likely to break up with you than cheat on you, but getting weird about it is just going to make it worse. just do nice shit for her occasionally, shes probably poor at college, so buy her something nice occasionally, and talk to her so that you keep your connection going and itll be fine.
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I had sex with a lotta chicks whose boyfriends werent around. that's why I'm not in a relationship, I dont think theres a girl I could trust after seeing the other side of it. Girls with dudes they've been with for a year, 6 years, doesnt matter. If they think they can get away with a little bit of action on the side they will. If you hafta ask yourself 'is she being loyal', she's probably not. Hell most of the pussy I got in college was some other dudes girlfriend and he was in for the night 'studying for an exam tomorrow' or whatever. Not like I aimed for hooking up with other dudes girlfriends. It's just they don't advertise that their not single, and 90% of attractive girls seem to already be in a relationship but apparently relationships dont matter to the younger generation. whats the divorce rate these days anyway?
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>>687186929
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>>687187391
the fuck guys ? gtfo
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>>687187214
2/x
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>>687187214
3/x
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>>687186928
Yeah, but girls are different. Unless OP has a big cock, if she fucks some guy with a cock that's way better for her she may decide to stick with it. For a guy, a fuck hole is a fuck hole.
Not saying it's cool for guys to cheat. I hate that everyone is unfaithful and thinks it's cool to fuck everything with a pulse bc all it does is cheapen sex and ruin the quality of a relationship
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>>687187214
4/x
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>>687187522
it's 60%. most kids these days grow up in a family where loyalty doesn't mean shit, so they don't learn it themselves either

honestly, I think most teens these days aren't even upset with the idea of being a single mom
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>>687177065
Soooo... you're a cuck... what destroyed you as a person to the point that you accept that your girl fucks other dudes?
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>>687187665
I'd be so upset if my girl did this to me. It's so disrespectful.
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>>687187214
5/x
stopping for now unless you want the rest.
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>>687187665
That one actually has a story I think. But I know it's real. It was how she broke up with him and got back by fucking his brother. Idk but I saw in bread somewhere. If anyone knows it do tell
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>>687188011
please dump em all. diamonds x100
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>>687188011
stop.
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>>687187904
My mom cheated on my dad and loyalty is one of the most important things to me. He almost killed himself when I was 10. I fucking hate cheaters and if I knew the identity of any of these people who say they fuck other guy's girls I would beat their bitch ass for not being able to find their own fucking girl.
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>>687183045
she probably knows you can get into all of these accounts and rejects guys there so you can see them. then she texts them from her other phone to let them know she was just kidding and makes plans to fuck.
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>>687173795
only way to be sure i guess is to make her not your gf
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>>687188114
6/x
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>>687188331
7/x
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>>687187502
This is the only thing in this thread that you should listen to. Most girls aren't total cunts so there is a very low chance that she will cheat on you, OP
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>>687188401
8/x
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>>687188535
>You eat pieces of shit for breakfast?
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>>687188535
9/x
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>>687188535
jokes on him
He has cancer
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>>687188216
it is never the guy, but the grill who greenlights sex. don't blame the guys you hypocrite
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>>687188535
>>687188401
>>687188331
can you guys get your own thread ? this is very counter productive
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>>687188592
10/x
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>>687187502
thanks, is actually helpful
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>>687188689
11/x
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>>687188774
12/x
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>>687188592
These pics just make me angry, no turn-on at all. I don't know how cucks do it... it takes a special kind of steely resolve to not lose it when you see your girl servicing someone else's cock.
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>>687188841
13/x
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>>687188216
Most the times we dont even know til after man, sorry to break it to you. I had a couple girls I was really getting along with, even took em on a couple dates, fucked around a bunch and then there like 'don't text me today, I'll talk to you tomorrow' and when I ask about it they say they were spending the day with their boyfriend. While its great you think you have some sort of 'noble cause and a justified judgement of everything' the simple fact is things arent black and white. Humans probably biologically aren't built to be monogamous. I think in a lot of cases people stay together because they feel obligated to as they get older even though in their heart they arent interested anymore. The secret relief when your fat cranky wife finally croaks. I think things are starting to change
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>>687188931
14/14
donezo.

>>687188877
imagine bdsm for the mind.
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>>687188747
that was written by woman, dumb ass. of course they all say they denounce cheating, yet whenever it happens to them it's just something that "overcame them"
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>>687188986
only guy with half a brain ITT. pay attention little larvae
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>>687173795
Create a fake account on facebook of some dude that apparently (doesn't) goes to her school. Start hittin on her, if she takes the bait shes surely nailin guys she meets IRL
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>>687187502
Any chance you are an only child raised by a single mom?
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>>687183045
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>>687183045
"I only fuck girls with boyfriends. " lmfao this dude loves the taste of other dudes weiner while it's fresh.
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>>687188774

anyone have nudes of girls that look like this
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I think maybe we should all just fuck whoever we want...
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>>687189463
not that guy but who isn't these days?

also I hope you're not going to state monogamy isn't dead in 2016
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It always amuses me when somebody comes to /b/ for a help with women thread.
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>>687173795
She's probably going to fuck him a few times at least. She's 100% going to fuck other people.

Find a new girlfriend, this relationship is over.
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>>687173795
here's how: dump her
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>>687189959
this. even if she doesn't dump you afterwards she'll be ruined anyway
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>>687188683
I'm sure at least some of the time they know exactly what they're doing. Just bc a fucking bike isn't locked doesn't mean you can just steal it you fucking nigger
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>>687189959
i don't think she is but i want to find out if she would. any help is welcome
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>>687189959
Hate to break it to you OP but this is probably true. Save yourself the heartache.

How long have you been dating? If it's been years you've got a pretty great chance. If you have been together for a few months to the 2 year range then that is a considerable amount of your total time together that is going to vanish.

It is not worth it for you OR her.

Take your chances by staying monogamous.

Decide to take a mutually agreed upon temporary break.

Or cut your losses and get over it sooner.
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>>687189959
OP THIS:

I used to do this to girls all the time, wait till they were away from their boyfriends, treat them like a princess, in ways that their distanced partner never could. It starts with simply taking them out to coffee, warming their feeling to me.

Then I morph our friendly dates into much more than just 'friendly', I'll start telling her what to wear, I'll buy her something nice, you'll never know about any of it .

After a few "dates" and presents, I'd already have her hooked, she won't tell you anything, why would she? She'll feel so empowered having what she thinks is a new boy falling in love with her, she won't want to give either of us up, then I'll pound out her little pussy, make her cum like you NEVER have, and then leave her.

She'll be so broken, and you'll catch the flack. It's honestly too easy, so if I were you, quite while you're ahead.
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>>687188986
Well the guy my mom was with definitely knew, and he's now my "stepdad"
Thank god I'm moving out soon
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>>687190504
so women have the agency of a bike? that's not that far off actually
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Honestly just think about it objectively. How many of your friends are in serious relationship? And how many of them do you know for a fact are cheating/have cheated on their SO?

My friends group maybe 1 out of 5 didn't cheat over the 1-5 years I was friends with them. My mom has cheated on my dad, my uncle has cheated on my aunt (and I'm from a stable family, no one outside my family knows this stuff) my ex cheated on me, etc. Look around, divorce rate up 60%.. people arent faithful anymore. It's a diamond in the rough if you find a girl that you 100% know isnt cheating... but the sweetest girl I knew from highschool, a friend, (we graduated like 10 years ago now) told me when we were drunk off our asses at a bar that she had been cheating on her boyfriend hardcore.. like she was living with another dude when he was away and everything. And I never would have expected it because she is the 'good girl' the perfect girlfriend type. And now that woman are working more, they are spending 8+ hours a day around dudes that you dont know.. if shes attractive, likely dudes that want to fuck her and are flirting and making innuendos and all that. We don't keep women home anymore they're away for most the day, and so are we. the home is broken
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>>687190757
i get it, you think she's already cheating. you don't have to get graphic.any idea how i could find out if she was ?
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>>687189383
I am hypnotized by the wavy pattern her belly fat rolls make.
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>>687191155
jesus learn to trust your gut feeling you retard

fucking feminists raising these feminised bitch boys these days. it's truly a tragedy
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>>687190916
That's why I used a bike as an analogy you faggot they're pretty much just tools who can't control their shitty hormones >>687188986
Humans are built for monogamy. Men don't want women to cheat so that when the woman has a child, the man isn't wasting his resources on the child at hand. Women don't want men to fall in love with other women bc that means the man might waste resources on the other women instead of her own family. This is also supported by women thinking men of the same attractiveness are hotter if standing by a more expensive car. The problem with monogamy is that sex has become so meaningless in today's society that even in a relationship people can't understand that it's not okay to be fucking around.
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>>687191155
you need to talk/ask her something along the lines of "i understand being away from eachother is hard and I understand that there are things that you might want to do, i wont be angry, please tell me if there is anything on your mind"
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>>687191437
>Humans are built for monogamy
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

oh my god, best thing I heard on /b/ tonight. and you're serious too

instead of coming up with your pseudo science bullshit, take a good look around. you delusional poor thing
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>>687173795
OP which college is she at ? i'd love to see how long it takes untill i'm balls deep up her ass
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>>687191437
I don't think you understand biologically monogamy. There are species of animals that have one partner for life. Even if there partner is killed they will not mate with another, they will never copulate outside of their decided mate, no exceptions. Some birds even die of stress after losing their partner. Youre telling me that humans are on that level? Fuck no. I would argue that more often than not a human has more than one mate in their life and if their mate dies they eventually will find another one. And if that ends in divorce they will keep looking for more mates, Humans are not monogamous by nature, we are monogamous by choice. Or we may choose not to be.
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>>687192322
we act monogamous because of culture, but take a second glance and it's more something like serial monogamy with some polygamy mixed in

the thing is, grills will always be on the lookout for a better catch. always
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I swear nig nogs look for any chance they can for some blackie propeganda kek. keep going buddy, whatever helps you sleep at night
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>>687177065
no one cares about your obese girlfriend
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>>687193467
make your own thread ffs
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>>687173795

Gotta to say that the unrelated pic is hot as fuck. I love skinny skank sluts.
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>>687189035
Damn this shit is rip
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>>687194562
Niggers care!

But you're right, I'll stop... just messing with OP
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>>687194574
fuck off, I'm not even into BBC but let that man do what he must
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>>687194942
Thanks, I was just trying to keep the thread alive, no one was commenting so...
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>>687195181
I liked how the only person loyal enough to keep posting was the one shitposting

you're doing god's work anon
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>>687195345
Thanks, Man... lol
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>>687173795
Yeah she sucked a dudes dick
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>>687179399
i did that in college, but my first sleepytime i got hsv2 from an unknowing partner. life has been loveless since
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Well,I guess I'm done. No one has anything further to add, clearly... Night OP...
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