The 'logical atheist' is an oxymoron.

Congratulations you won an argument against yourself

>>686711600
>The universe did not create itself, ...
> Your religion is based on a science book
> Again, ultimately there must be a force of creation - God himself.

Why are you so sure it's The Abrahamic God that created the Universe?

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>>686711600
>humans
>complex

>>686712757
I'm not. I'm agnostic. Christians are super sure there is a super power (God), atheists are super sure there is no God or super power. They're both different sides of the same coin.

>>686711600
>the universe did not create itself
proof?
>something can not be created by nothing
what nothingness are you implying is used as the catalyst of the universe's creation?
>everything exploded
everything expanded*
>then we conveniently turned into complex life forms
mmm yes as conscious individuals it is hard to separate coincidence from causality. i wouldn't consider millions of years of evolution 'convenient'

nice strawmans though

>>686713166
Oh boy, THIS semantic game again.

>>686711600

>some autist thought he was clever making this

Sadly it's true. I dont stand with either side but I've never seen an atheist make a decent argument without calling them faggots.

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>>686713413

jesus saves, don't stop believing

you don't have to go to hell, just admit you're a sinner and give your life to jesus, people

We do not know for sure that something cannot come from nothing. Photons are created and annihilated all over the place so... Also the last fucking thing this does is implying that there is an even MORE complex being that (wait for it) came from nothing.

Also, just to clarify; Atheism says NOTHING about the origin of the universe. It simply states a lack of belief in god(s).

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>>686713413
Does it count as taking the bait if I agree with the bait? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of bait. lmao.

>>686711600

heh i have been wating for a good meme for our side nice one

>>686713588
if you are never told about god or jesus will you still go to hell?

>>686713413
Watch some armored skeptic, he's canadian

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>>686711600
This is the weakest bait I've ever seen.
Gnosticism is the real enemy.

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>>686711600
>Christfags- 1
>Athiests- nil

So christfags minus 1 and athiests minus zero? Lolololologic

Christfags: -1
Athiests:0

>>686713774

probably, but that isn't for me to decide, you would be full of sin after all

>>686713654
No atheism says everything erupted from a singularity made of nothing because of nothing and then very complex living things came from non-living particles. Every day life refutes the religion of atheism yet some people still believe it's high priests like Dawkins.

>>686713774
If you were unaware theres no reason to think so.

>>686713654
Atheist = There is no God
Agnostic = The Gods described in all the religions thus far don't make sense. However, I don't know if there is no super power at all.

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>>686713911
kill yourself.

>>686713911
>minus zero
>Lolololologic
I hate to call someone a summerfag but if there was ever a time this is one.

Prove your first two "axiomatic" statements buddy

>>686711600
wow
this is literally every single "muh I don't like X's beliefs so I'll make Y look really smart and make X look like a fucking idiot haha yea that'll show them" comic/thing ever. It's how they all go. X is made to look like an idiot, Y is made to look smart, repeat until X is made to look like a utter retard. Every. Single Time. It doesn't prove your point, it just makes you look like an ass. We get it. You think they're stupid and you're smart. No one gives a shit. It's the same with politics, religion, vidya, everything. It's old. Actually win an argument against someone who isn't an utter retard or made up, and then you'll drive your point home. Also
>your religion is based on a science book
that makes you look like a retard, because the whole thing behind atheism is that they don't HAVE a religion. Saying that atheism is a religion makes you look like an idiot. Tl;Dr, you can't prove that there is a god, yet you also can't prove that there is a god, so shut up about this religion vs atheism thing and let atheists wear fedoras and let Christians look up to a dead guy. They're both idiots for arguing about something that neither of them can prove.

>>686713967

you can't avoid hell by being ignorant

god sent his only son to die for you and atheists pretend its a game like hell isnt real like we "evolved from apes", its so stupid i cant stand fucking fedora posters

>makes no sense

Praise Allah for creating the universe

>>686714193
You're a fish who just completely swallowed the Hook. Theres no way to go back from here just except you took the bait.

If something cant be created by nothing then who or what created God?

If god has a creator why call god god?

>>686711600
The problem is that you're assuming humans are well-designed.

If we were well-designed, especially to be important creatures, we wouldn't die.

>>686714423

god is god you idiot, he can do anything

mary was a virgin, read your bible

>>686714368
I'll swallow your hook if you know what I mean

>>686713911
Only a summerfag could put so much satire into one post

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Ya motherfuckers didn't even know religion is a meme.

>>686714292

this is only a theory, not fact

facts are like there are churches on every block, that's a fact. let me ask you this, do you think god would let all those churches exist if he didnt exist? of course not

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1464237922183.webm

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>>686714711

edgy

>>686714292
Second Peter 3:9 reads, "The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance."

Obvious bait but it's pretty funny seeing all these empty arguments

>>686714883
2,000 years is pretty fucking slow.

>>686714902
Debate me faggot.

>>686714883

can you believe how they don't listen? the bible is older than you, older than your dad, older than your granddad, older than his dad, older than his dad etc.

atheism is brand new, made in the 1980s

which is more real? god or the 80s?

There is a God. It is Charles Manson. He rolls the nickels. Also he made some bomb ass tunes.

>>686714991

their just dumb

>>686714530
Hope you're trolling.

Do you have no sensible argument? Seems about right that when a christfag is questioned the go to line is "read your bible".

OP said something cant be created from nothing. So he meant "except god". If god (something) can be created from nothing then its equally logically sound to say the universe was created from nothing.

There's really no point trying to have an actual discussion with a religious person because it boils down to "this one book has everything ill ever need to know and it's all absolute truth, everything else is wrong."

>>686714574
Thats Marilyn Manson you dumb turd. Dont post while retarded newfriend

>>686713923
Why not I'll bite. Life comes from non-living shit all the time. What do you think life is exactly? Chemical (non-living particles) reacting with one another. You're nothing but a fleshy machine.

Existence of God based solely on the existence of the bible and large number of people that believe.

Bible is nothing special, just a collection of stories focused upon 1 main character (God).
Reason so many believe in it is due to human nature and how so many want to believe they aren't truly alone and there is always someone to help them in times of need.

>>686711600
So, instead of the universe coming from nothing, you instead believe a magic invisible sky fairy created it, who himself came from nothing? Not only that, but this sky fairy also just so happens to be the one that you worship and conveniently know all about?

You're right about one thing; someone is using very fallacious reasoning indeed.

>>686715427

>believed the atheism meme
>trench coat
>sword
>neckbeard

confirmed

>>686715085
If that logic stands, then the true god is the sun or whatever cavemen were worshiping you tremendous faggot.

God made the world using his fingerbox. God then left his fingerbox in the middle east and the sand negroes worship it. They think its cuble-like structure means that you should beat the fuck out of women. Hitler figured out that the sand negroes had God's finger box and snapped all the ends of his cross in one direction and took out his rage on the closest people from the middle east. Also fuck the jews, or something, because antisemitism is also a meme-er a perfectly founded opinion.

>>686715691

You forgot his raging Fedora.

>current year
>being a fedora

kek, seriously stop being dumb and watching youtube documetaries open your bible and learn from God

>>686715561
>life comes from non-living shit all the time

Nothing evolves from peanut butter, the entire food industry is built on the fact this never happens. Lol atheists.

>>686715803
This guy gets it

>>686715561
You got trolled.

Atheism says nothing about how complex living things can come from non-living particles.

>>686715763

>true god is the sun

does the sun have a bible? I didn't fucking thinkso, smart guy

>People trying to act intelligent
>Knowing almost nothing about the theories they are talking about
>Not realizing this is just a big bait thread

>>686715903
Bullshit, I opened up a jar of peanut butter the other day and a rat was inside.

>>686713166
Not true. Atheists do not "believe" that there is no god, at least not in the way that christians believe there is one. Atheism is simply the lack of faith in there being a god.

>>686715427
That was the most telling moment of Bill Nye's creationist debate

>What could convince you you're wrong about this?
Scientist (Bill Nye): "Evidence"
Creationist: "Nothing"

>>686715803
Universe solved. Case closed. /thread

>>686711600
Who's the Christian guy? He's cringey as fuck...

And just cuz I'm really that bored... Who created that higher power?

>>686716157

God > human reasoning

why are you so dull?

Christianity, along with most modern religions have an all-knowing, all-powerful god, who created everything, and "has a plan". But if everything goes as god will it, and god made everyone exactly to according to his will, then how is he not responsible for your actions?

Serious question. But don't give me this free will crap. Either god knows what you're going to do or he isn't all knowing(which breaks the whole god's plan bit).

>>686716115
No you didnt billy.

>>686716297
I think you mean to say

God (not equal sign) Human Reasoning

>>686716345
He created you to send you to hell. It's quite obvious once you put an once of thought into it.

>>686716345

free will doesn't exist, what happens is suppose to happen as God's plan

>>686715691
Again, you can insult me as much as you want but it doesn't help your cause and it definitely doesn't help your argument.

Enjoy praying to a literal execution device.

Your bible tells you to love and respect people, i have no reason to do that besides being a decent human being. Yet here we are, hypocrite.

>>686716506
So he's kinda into bdsm. Whatta faggot

>>686716486

what

>>686716614
He made me a lolicon. God is great.

>>686716594

i try to do my best, but i'm just punching up against the fedora neckbeard army

>>686716594
Hay ma'am, im going to have to ask you to take note of the thread you're in. This is /b. Its pretty much perpetual opposite day because fuck you. If you get mad the trolls win. Judging by your last post, the trolls won. Go you. Get less mad summerfag.

>>686716550

>free will doesn't exist

you're half right but it isn't god's plan

it's the way the unverise works you fucking christfagot

>>686716007
Oh? Chemistry says otherwise. You know there are people who can take simple proteins and make a whole body parts? Sounds like complex life isn't so complex.

>>686716899
Chemistry has nothing to do with atheism. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

>>686716875

>another angry fedora that doesn't logic

Go read your bible and calm down.

>Big bang theory

I'll keep it simple since intelligence is clearly lacking in the majority of replies here-

Entire universe as we know it today contained within an extremely small, super compact space (in other words not nothing).

Small space began rapidly expanding, since the energy contained was so tightly compressed in the first few moments of the expansion it was able to change between matter and energy (explained with E=mc2).

All the matter that was created then is the same matter the universe is made up of today.

>>686716506
And you worship this fucker? That's like blaming the gun when you're the one who pulled the trigger.

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>>686716594
"your bible tells you to love and respect people"

Right, like all of those loving things in Exodus and Leviticus..

>>686716550
Then your god is to blame for everything wrong in this world. And you expect anyone to worship that?

>>686716842
Not mad, just replying like a normalfag.

Lel epig trol guize i god zo rekt xDD

>>686717245

there isn't much choice, you worship or you burn eternally

>life isn't fair

>>686717377
No, no, no. When something goes wrong, it's "God works in mysterious ways." When something goes right, that's when we credit God.

>>686717430
You can live a life of sin then ask for forgiveness 5 minutes before you die and go to heaven.

>>686717377
>>686717471

>God works in mysterious ways

this guy knows what's up, thx anon

>>686711600
> What created God
>What created the big bang

Two questions and no answers.

>>686717532

that's the rule, just make sure to do it and mean it because he is God after all

>burning in hell eternally isn't fun trust me

>>686716972
This whole thread claims that atheists worship science. What's chemistry I wonder?

Supposing God exists and is as all powerful as claimed, then answer this-

Can God create a stone so heavy even God cannot lift it?

>>686711600
in regards to the pic: the atheist isn't wrong, he's a strawman, and, most importantly, there are many, many other arguments against theism's validity. For example, why is a christian god the "right" god? why not allah or shiva or wotan?

>>686716550
So if someone dies and goes to hell because they did sonething bad, it's not because of their own free will, It's because it was part of God's plan?

And you worship this psychopath?

>>686717777

you'd have to ask god
>nice quads

>>686717776
No, that's what YOU'RE claiming. I'm telling you that you're wrong.

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>>686717777

IT'S CHECK EM TIME

>>686717859

??? do you think there is free will or something?

its common knowledge that frewill doesn't exist

>>686717777
The question is meaningless because we've never interacted with either of those things.

>>686717430
Too bad god made all the people who can't believe, exactly the way they are. So they're just destined to go to hell. What a wonderful world he created.

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>>686717859

keyboard sucks, your will is god's alone

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>>686717967
may be true. but have you ever gotten
pents?

>>686718061
It's not common knowledge. Deterministic actions are a popular topic, but until we can actually map the brain and simulate it, we can't know that that's the case.

>>686718113

i don't see it that way, you do. i'm mormon btw

>>686718193
Did you really screencap your own pents?

>>686718212
>its not common knowledge
kek ill bet youll be one of the holdsouts

are you anti vaccine too?

>>686718330
yes. first pents. first anything besides singles for that matter

>>686717991
Looks like someone didn't read the picture. Did you fail english?

>>686718373
Please provide proof or a source of proof that shows that human decision making is deterministic.

>>686718061
>It's common knowledge that free will doesn't exist

It isn't. It's not even correct. You saying that it is common knowledge doesn't make it common knowledge.

Also you didn't answer my question. If there is no free will, then the only reason anyone goes to hell is because god wants them to.

>I have free will meme

No, sorry, you don't, everything happens for a reason it was all decided before you were born.

>>686718528

that's what you assume, that wasn't god's plan

>>686718495

whatever, google your own shit dummy

>look up stuff for me

>>686718474
I did read the picture. Did you fail writing comp? You're claiming that atheism is somehow rooted in science. It's not, they're completely different topics.

>>686714113
>>686714698
thinking summerfag is such a thing after they released how much traffic 4chan gets during the summer. There isn't any change.

>>686718626
What wasn't? Sending people to hell? Why not?

>>686718226
Then you don't believe in the bible, you have you're own beliefs that don't match modern religions.

>>686718681
>makes argument
>asked to provide explanation to that argument
>whatever, google your own shit dummy

Get fucked nigger. You were caught in a lie.

>>686718904

you keep asking these questions like I have answers for you, pray and read your bible

good luck anon i mean it

>>686711600
i actually would still agree with the atheist just because they both have very poor arguments but the atheist gives a better one...

>>686718935

it is common knowledge that you don't have free will

I can't believe i'm hearing this shit in current year

>>686716019
Do you know what Aztecs are mate?

>>686719122
>>686718495

Again, please show me.

>>686718804
It says atheists, which means anti theological individuals, base their religion on science books.

>>686719129

san diego state?

>>686713923
Since some people actually agree with this bait...

Atheist's beliefs are subject to change when provided with new information. Christians beliefs are not. Religion is really just humanity's first guess which was based off of very limited knowledge, it is only prevalent because they threaten you with something if you stop believing it.

>>686715085
So basically, since the bible is older, it's more credible than any other source which argues its validity? By that logic, I assume that you deem mythology and other works to be more logically intact when compared to modern compositions? Appealing to the tradition of the bible and it's lengthy existence doesn't make your argument stronger. Does the opposite actually. Yes, the bible is old. Having that in mind, do you ever stop to consider who the fuck wrote it? A handful of men who may or may have not had a stable mind. Not to mention how surely parts of it have been lost in translation over the centuries. Religion was essential back in the day when we were akin to animals. Now we've developed ourselves and established our ethical boundaries. At this point, religion is unneeded. It causes problems and clashes between societies. Does it seem logical to die for a bunch of books that belong in the back of a mythology section at a cheap bookstore? Not one bit.

>>686719000
You're not answering my question. You made an assertion, now you get to back it up with an explanation.

>>686719183

It doesn't matter what you think or do, it was determined long before you existed.

>>686719306
Again, get fucked nigger. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

>>686714292
Solid bait

>>686719430

>will be a holdout

called it, watch out for the chemtrails tard

>>686719194
That's wrong, you're wrong.

>>686719430

Lol? Listen, if you think I'm wrong you go ahead and prove it. I know I'm right, I think you live in gofuckurselfstan and aren't up to date with social norms.

>>686719508
I can't be a holdout if you didn't offer anything.

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>>686719306
>free will doesn't exist
>how so?
>because free will doesn't exist