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>>686599024

i think trans is not a disorder but just a form a gay if you were born with a dick your a man if you were born with a pussy you are a girl

>>686599024
Thank you for this evidence based incredibly scientific opinion OP

>>686599775
there are trans people who are not homosexual

>>686599024
>Being trans is a mental disorder
Prove it

>>686599024

Why do you care?

>>686600193
Thank god, ftm's are sexy as fuck

>>686599024
>>686600084
It's called gender dysphoria, but it isn't considered a disorder because it does not cause significant distress or disability.

>>686599024
>mental disorder
Not according to the American Psychiatric Association.

>>686600523
>>686600614
as i said

Trans person here to say, Yes. It IS a mental disorder. But not in the way most people would think of it.
It's a mental disorder in the fact that the chemistry of the brain does not match the physical body. The brain of a male/female in the shell of a female/male. It can't be helped. It cannot be wiped out via counseling.
The only cure is to transition.

>>686599024
I believe that I am a dog, but was unfortunately born into a man's body. I have been trying to find a doctor who would help me transition to my real identity, but have been met with scorn and ridicule. I like fluffy sex and can lick my balls.

>>686600759
>The only cure is to transition.
What about death?

>>686600759
rates of suicides in post op trans people beg to differ though

>>686600759

i'm ok with that.

>>686600798

Autists who use this line of reasoning just show how retarded they are in the end. There is a pretty marked difference between gender and species.

I've seen Cis men who were more feminine than Cis women and vise versa. The only difference is non conforming genitalia.

I don't get why people care so much though, I'm Cis, I'm straight so why the fuck would it be any of my business, let people be who they want to be and leave them in peace you cuck peace of shit.

>>686599024
Because the demonstrated and scientifically-tested BEST treatment for his disorder is exactly whats been done, retard.

Oh wait, Im sorry, for HER disorder

also trans, its not a disorder, i live a normal happy productive life.

>>686600759
Imagine if they put an anorexic person on the cover of some BBW magazine or something. The anorexic girl feels overweight and chubby so we should encourage her delusion of realiy right? No? Then why give Caitlyn Jenner women of the year?

>>686599024
Why the hell do people care?
Both sides of this whole gender politics debate are mouth breathing reality TV constituents.
You are being distracted from the real issues at hand.

>>686599024
Look who it is again, ID Heaven. I'm fed up with your shit faggot. The other day when you called me a newfag, yeah, haven't forgotten about that yet. Fuck you I've been on here for months and probably get on here more than you anyways. Don't you know that you make yourself look like a newfag when you call others newfag? Just because you learned how to hack your name and change it to "Heaven" does not give you the right to disrespect anyone at any time.

>>686599024
I'm trans/a trap and I think Jenner us Gay.

>>686601118
>America
>Current year
>not thinking cis-white males should decide everything for everyone

GET OUT BERNIECUCK. CANT STUMP THE TRUMP CANT STUMP WONT STUMP CANT STUMP THE TRUMP CANT STUMP WONT STUMP CANT STUMP THE TRUMP

>>686599024
I agree with you anon, Trans are mentally ill.

>>686601292

How is that the same thing? One 'delusion' is directly killing the person. The other is allowing them to be happy in their own skin.

Are you just bitter cause YOU can't afford to get on HRT so you are lashing out at a woman who could?

>>686599024
It may be a mental disorder, or it may be a birth defect. I think that this particular faggot is only doing shit for attention, and needs a blanket party.

I don't really care if he/she wants to be a woman, really I couldn't. But I cannot stand the retarded faggots who call him/her "brave" and "woman of the year". Accomplished nothing for the advancement of women in society, and gets a fucking retarded amount of praise. So many people do this shit and yet if your famous and do it, you might as well be the second coming of jesus. Fuck this

>>686601472
I don't think that bragging that you waste your unfortunate life in a stupid chat room like this lends any credibility to your argument.

>>686601292
for her incredible bravery

>>686601767
Fuck off

>>686600759
Stop with your transition meme. It should not be used willy nilly as the only way. You relize that about 70% of people who transition are still not happy. By pushing it is the only way then little Johnny who is confused about his sexualilty will think that he needs to pump himself full of hormones to be happy and then regret it 10 years later. Transitioning should only be a choice for those who truelly need it, the rest should learn body acceptance

>>686601846
Drink my juices

>>686599024
Body freedom is not a mental disorder. If anything, thinking of yourself as a static, unchanging or even natural entity is a mental disorder.

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>>686601539

>Two Thousand Sixteenth Year of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ
>Not realizing that Trump is a white ant clearing out the serious GOP candidates so Shillary can walk in the election

>>686601941

so if i want to be a pokemon it's ok too and not crazy at all

>>686601982
Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior was well hung. It says so in the bible

>>686602078

Why do you think this is the same thing you cuck? Do you not think women are human beings?

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>>686602154
> Do you not think women are human beings?

>>686600211
disprove it

>>686602078
It's infeasible, but perfectly OK. What would be crazy is insisting people treat you like a pokemon when you haven't put an ounce of effort into becoming like one.

>>686602151

Not sure how this is relevant to the conversation but I wouldn't doubt it. God wouldnt give is only son a one inch punch

>>686602213

From a biological standpoint faggot, I'm not talking about their retarded SJW bullshit.

>>686602279
I meant well hung on the cross.

>>686601760
>lurk moar

>>686602431

It would be hanged in that context faggot

>>686602154
No but the slippery slope is real if you don't go about it right. Just look at gay movement. They went about it being as degenerate as possible instead of ta king slow but repsectfully and now slowly pedophilia is being accepted

>>686601118
Bc people like you use works like CIS men...you fucking cunt.

>>686602437
What, do you take this shit seriously?? Get a life, brush your tooth and move out of the trailer

>>686600523
> higher suicide rate
> not significant
kek

>>686602640

What so because I use language that gets across what I'm saying that is a problem? Educate yourself nigger

>>686600523
Has more to do with politics, being a tranny can cause more conflict and problems with society then being clinically depressed, but the American Psychiatric Association is full of evil quacks like that crazy sick fuck child molester John Money who spearheaded the change in classification.

>>686602558
You obviously don't understand the nuances of humor.

>>686601335
THIS

Trans people are sick people with disorders. If you don't think this is true and its normal then you're an idiot who can't think for themself

>>686602873

What's funny about God's one and only son being executed on the cross so that humanities sins could be forgiven and we might gain ascension to the seat of our father at the end of days?

>>686601335
Bodily autonomy is a real issue.

>>686602965

>If you don't think exactly like me you cant think for yourselves

top kek lad

>>686602965
> if you don't accept my assertion as true you can't think for yourself

The irony is killing me.

>>686600523
Wrong, it's not called a "disorder" because disorders are socially unacceptable. It was labeled a dysphoria to keep the not mentally fucked up people from making fun of the mentally fucked up people until more research is conducted. Look at the definition of dysphoria...Learn to fucking read. This is very similar to your autism.

>>686602259
What is Russel's Teapot?

learn how to think and then try again, newfriend

>>686603014
May the BALLS of GOD slap gently upon your chin forever, for unless you swallow His Holy Spermulum you may not be admitted unto the Kingdom of Heaven. Amen.

>>686599775
no, it's a disorder
like alien limb syndrome

>>686603261

Enjoy your 50/50 scenario of either absolute nothingness after death or eternal damnation and torture you fedora tipping neckbeard faggot

>>686599775
Whether or not trans is a disorder depends on your motivations. If someone transitions to alleviate dysphoria, it's clearly a disorder. If they do it because they think the change would suit them but they're not suffering crippling dysphoria, then it isn't a disorder.

>>686603162
I'm pretty sure almost everyone thinks autism is a disorder.

>>686603151
Do a little bit of research on the matter, not from some stupid sites like jezebel or buzzfeed but somewhere reputable

Fucking moralfags.

>>686603597

Where did you do yours faggot?

>>686603283
prrrrrrrrrrrrove it
proooooooove it
provvvvvvvvve it
PROVE IT
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>>686603399
I'll go with the nothingness, you can have the eternal torture from your loving 'god'. Name calling is a child's way to argue, by the way.

>>686603399
>50/50 scenario
This may not even be bait. I have met so many bible thumping simpletons that really see that world in black and white like this.

>>686599024
For the lulz

But don't tell anyone I said this

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>>686599024

Agreed. Its no different from those who want to remove their limbs for some weird reason - they hate limbs.

Chopping a dick off is no different to chopping a leg or arm off. They're both the results of mental illness.

Why is there like 10 genders choice on FB when three (male, female, weirdo) would be enough?

>>686600193
Right behind squares that aint rectangles

>>686599024
here is the deal, Bruce Jenner went where no man should ever go, to the Kardashian family. If he didn't come out of that alive with out some sort of mentality issues then I would suspect him to be a robot or a cyborg of some sort.
Now think of being bombarded with retarded shit day in and day out only remembering the glory days of having to compete to be number 1 in an athletic event, and then snapping back to the reality that you are in a house full of whores who got famous for being whores.

What ever that man has seen made him want to transition to a woman.
>must have been some real shit.

>>686600193
You mean a male trans that doesn't screw with women or a male trans that doesn't screw with man.

Seriously how the FUCK do people think that cross dressing and wanting to be the opposite gender is NOT a mental illness? The west has supported this lie so many times that people somehow are starting to believe it. Prove that its not a mental illness and its actually a legitimate gender that should not be shamed

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Pic related it's me, but I identify as black.
Civilization and culture must now yield to my own personal delusion.
I have been denied every form of affirmative action and can't get into college.
I was attacked for using the word Nigger in a club, yet I am black.
Until laws are changed I won't be shown the proper respect.

>Being trans is a mental disorder just like anorexia. Why the hell are people supporting this
man delusion?

Same reason why people support homosexuality and Bernie Sanders

Group of people support gay people = Other group of people join in the bandwagon for acceptance = more people join in the band wagon = People who don't disagree with the bigger opinion are criticized = People who do agree are just brainwashed by society's view and want to be accepted and look normal for supporting a stupid mental illness

That's liberal society for you

>>686603774
>>686603775

Why do Atheists always think they are smarter than everyone else but always prove to be clinically retarded?

>Believe in god and live by his teachings or go to hell
>Choose to believe that there is no god and live in opposition to his teachings gambling on the fact that there is no afterlife
>Leaves only two options, hell or nothing
>50/50 chance because both are uncertainties to the atheist.

>>686603775
I agree, they suck so much of that god cock that they can't see the real world

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>>686603806
> Agreed. Its no different from those who want to remove their limbs for some weird reason - they hate limbs.

Actually, funny you should mention that. There are many reasons someone would want to change their sexual configuration, just like there are many reasons someone might want to remove a limb - you don't have to hate what you are to want an upgrade.

>>686600759
At what age did you realize that you were trans?

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>>686601982
Take a look at this.

>>686603728
I talked to your momdad and spent countless hours performing an out of body projection to the ether plane while smoking some dank kush.
If common sense needs to be debated then I can lump you in with those sick "people"

>>686603934
male trans that doesn't fuck men and female trans that isn't into women

>>686604068
> Until laws are changed I won't be shown the proper respect.

No, you won't be shown the proper respect until you man up and transition. Pass or GTFO, your identity doesn't mean shit without physicality.

>>686599024
agreed

>>686601118
>use the term "Cis"
>Thinks people will take him seriously

>>686603016
As real as?
Climate change
Ocean acidification
Habitat destruction/fragmentation
Overfishing
The current state of agriculture
Hunger
Slavery
Income inequality
People can only be passionate about so many things, I think it's ridiculous to care about something as personal and as globally insignificant as what someone is doing with their body. So yes, I am pro boldly autonomy but I don't want to give credence to such nonsense.

>>686604369

>DO RESEARCH!
>didnt do any research

transphobes can't into logic

>>686604110
What does this have to do with atheism? I am not atheist, I know I'm not "smarter than everyone else" but I see I'm probably smarter and far less simple minded than you.

Thanks again for further demonstrating your black and white thinking.

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>>686604488
> Hunger
> Slavery
> Income inequality
> problems

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>>686604068
We've seen worst.

>>686604461

If you are going to debate something use the language of the discussion. Or would you rather I just scream and fling turds like the rest of you fucking chimps?

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>>686604686
Flinging poop is the best way to claim your territory

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>>686604645

You are smarter than me because I have faith and you don't? Sounds like an Atheist to me tbh

Why does the mention of gods love get you atheists so mad though?

holy fuck it is ugly

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>>686604826
Jesus used to fling his poop at his disciples and they learned from him, and so on to the present day

Being transgender is just letting your fetish - crossdressing- go way out of hand

>>686604784
Post a bigger image idiot.

>>686600193
A drag queen that doesn't fuck men and is into women?

>>686604557
>Research includes listening to the brain damaged mainstream media and can't put 2 and 2 together

Call me a transphobe all you want but there are only 2 genders. The only research that needs to be done is if you are stupid enough to believe that there are more

>>686604859
You see the world in black and white. Of course I forget their is only fundamentalist Christianity, and those who don't go to your church are all atheists.

>>686605060
see this >>686604393

SOMEONE HELP ME OUT
maybe some sjw or feminist fuck can explain this to me:

There is a biological notion of male and female. Males and females have different genes, and therefore have different genitalia.

"identifying as a woman" seems to make sense on the surface, but what does it really mean? A lot of people identify as leprechauns. Some people identify as the successors of Jesus. Others identify as the human embodiment of Pikachu's dick.

I totally understand if a biological man wants to dress and act like a female, and change his name to a female's name. That can make sense in my head. But I don't understand how and why "identifying" as a woman should undermine in any way the biological definition of gender.

Unless 'trans' is just a word that means 'biological man who wants to be treated culturally the way biological females are treated'. That's fine I suppose.

Can someone please explain what's going on, though

>>686604835
What in the mother of FUCK is this???????

>>686600923
KEK

>>686605065

>This is my belief so it must be the common sense option
>Anyone who thinks differently is dumb and needs to critically analyze their thinking but I don't because these are my opinions therefor they are right

You realize this is the type of reasoning that people usually grow out of at age 4 right?

>>686601118
How the fuck does being Cis and being straight at the same time work?!
Can't balance the freaking eqtn.

>>686605248
> What in the mother of FUCK is this???????
Sweden

>b-b-but anon! i-it doesnt h-hurt anyone!!!!!!

>>686604686
>Language made up by Tumblr faggots.

>>686605234
It's all semantics.
Some people have a different definition of 'gender'

>>686603467
>Implying that the want to cut his own dick of isn't a disorder

>>686605135

When it comes to god you either have faith or you don't there are no shades of grey. You don't get into heaven if you don't give yourself over to god, this is all pretty basic shit. Its not your fault though, its the libtard government who don't teach you kids this stuff in school any more

One word : Chromosomes.

>>686604686
The general issue people(At least myself, I do not speak for people) have with "Cis" is the point that it doesn't really need to be a thing.

I am a heterosexual male, born with a penis. I occur naturally in the world, you don't need to invent a label to describe me.

"Cis" is used so you don't make trans people feel abnormal. Which they are.

For clarification, I don't care if somebody is trans. I don't refer to them as abnormal even if they are, because I have a general respect for people and it's not necessary to point something out that's not relevant. And being abnormal doesn't make something wrong.

It'd be like referring to people by their eye color on conversation. It's a descriptive trait and unless you're talking about the topic is completely unrelated to them as a person.

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>>686605342
> How the fuck does being Cis and being straight at the same time work?!

>>686605342

Cis: I conform to the gender I was born as
Straight: I'm attracted sexually to only the opposite gender

I don't understand what you are struggling with buddy.

>>686605493
Bait harder
It's pretty funny how the only person you managed to ruse is a Christian.

>>686605624
> I don't understand what you are struggling with
autism

>>686605234
> There is a biological notion of male and female.

Right, this is called sex.

> Males and females have different genes, and therefore have different genitalia.

Sort of. The different sex traits are hormonally modulated, but usually genetics set this modulation into motion. You can technically have XY females through something like androgen insensitivity syndrome. Sex is binary in the sense that there are two extremes, but nonbinary in the sense that you can be anywhere in between those extremes. Most people bias heavily towards either extreme though.

> "identifying as a woman" seems to make sense on the surface, but what does it really mean?

Remember the Matrix? When Morpheus explained the concept of residual self image to Neo? It's kind of like that. If your physical body is not quite like your self-image, you might want to change it. Some people handle this difference better than others. In extreme cases it becomes a medical issue.

> But I don't understand how and why "identifying" as a woman should undermine in any way the biological definition of gender.

It doesn't gender and gender identity just refer to this relationship between identity and body reality. This is why we draw a distinction between sex and gender. One is for the body, the other is for the self-image.

A transgender person is someone who has a self-image of a sex that is not like their body's real sex. A transexual person is anyone who tries to change their real body's sex, through any means for any reason.

The distinction between sex and gender is kind of tough to get a hold of at first, but once you understand it is really useful, as it explains a lot of stuff.

You are born with certain chromosomes. Said chromosomes decide if you are a boy or girl. Now once it is decided whether you are a boy or girl you will either grow a penis or a vagina with a pair of titties. Nothing you will ever do can change those chromosomes. Nothing you say, do, or think will ever change you from being biologically a girl or boy. Now you can dress or act like the opposite gender, but you will never actually be the opposite gender.

>>686605234
The SJW consider gender and biological sex to be separate things.

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>>686605493

>>686605603

It's shorthand to get across where I was coming to the discussion from as a person, IDK why all you monkeys are getting offended by it. Three letters was a bit easier than saying, man with a penis but whatever, clearly this is too high concept for all of y'all

2 ways to look at this;
A) Trans are naturally-occuring/Fine
B) Trans have a disorder/are sick

If A) - leave them alone, if they have a right to bodily autonomy they can choose to alter their body or not

if B) - The demonstrated most effective and rewarding treatment for this disorder is the gender transition process and surgeries

>>686599024
tbh isn't being gay a mental disorder? our society accepts it, which is whatever. But technically we are suppose to be attracted to the opposite sex for mating purposes. Thats from a biological stand point anyways.

>>686599024
To me its a question of freedom. You are free to refuse treatment and be anorexic, so you should be free to refuse treatment and be transgender. But bruce Jenner isn't a hero. He killed someone, and this whole transition to female thing was a PR distraction

>>686605290
Thats not the right way to look at it. There are simple statements and there are complex ones

"5+5=10, this is my belief and it IS the common sense option"

vs.

"String theory is correct, this is my belief so it must be the common sense option"

I don't mind if people think differently but certain things cannot be disputed.

Biology dictates who is a man and who is a woman, society does not, end of argument.