meat is tasty

>>686284964
I am vegan.

>>686284964
need protein

Did you know the beef industry actually has a direct impact on the climate because all the methane pumped out of the cows

>>686284964
im human so the super predator of this planet i eat whatever i want !

>>686285102
Beans and green vegetables. Educate yourself.

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>>686284964
I eat a vegan once. Not even tasty.

I don't care enough to be an edgy faggot who calls everyone a murderer.

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>>686284964
we get it man you're vegan you don't need to keep telling us

>>686284964
Plants give us oxygen, animals take oxygen. Why do vegans try to kill us all?

I like meat and its sometimes cheaper than fresh vegetables in my cold country. i dont think i need any other reasons.

I like having iron in my body and not being extremely fucking weak due to not eating meat.

Because the thought of consuming something that was once alive gives me a rush of exhilaration that nothing to date has ever been able to recreate.

It lived, and it died, and now it nourishes me.

Also, fuck vegans. Some vegetarians are cool, but a very small percentage.

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>"I love animals!"
>not vegan

>>686284964
because it's delicous and I can accept that I'm an evil person. fuck I'm part of a naturally evil species that has driven thousands of species to extinction without even trying to eat them.

>>686284964
Because "vegan" is just another word for someone not sensitive enough to hear a carrot cry.

Im not a faggot.

>>686284964
Le troll is so funny

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>>686284964
I'm an omnivore

>>686285617
> implying people don't say anything if you smoke drunk and eat fast food

Nearly all herbivores are opportunistic carnivores. Look it up.

>>686285617
Yes, because those three things that people do occasionally is exactly the same god damn thing as going vegan.

Jesus Christ, coming here kills brain cells. Far more than the three things you listed.

>>686285848
It's actually implying those things are more socially acceptable than being vegan

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>>686284964
>end it all OP

Don't get me wrong, I love some fruits and vegetables. Apples, corn, and carrots are my shit.

But holy fuck none of em can compare to a good bacon cheeseburger. I enjoy knowing at least two stupid animals died to satisfy my hunger

>>686285959
You are very uneducated
>eating fruits vegetables and carbs is just as bad as cigarettes and alcohol!

>>686284964
stop murdering plants
did you know they scream when they die

>>686284964
i like meat

>>686284964
>2016. Still not vegetarian
>2016. Still not trans.
>2016. Still not gay
I'm such a savage that doesn't deserve to live

>>686286086
>stupid animals
>pigs are 4x smarter than dogs
And people get butt hurt over dog slaughter houses in Asia. You wouldn't eat your dog, would you? It's the same thing as eating any other animal

>>686284964
>implying the 2nd example doesn't actually happen

upperzozzle.

> That feel when your stomach lacks the enzymes to properly digest meat, and you can't hold it down and you have no choice but to be vegetarian/vegan.

>>686284964
Because you can't stop me.

>>686284964
I have a Y chromosome.

>>686284964
The cop's right. When you're on your way to bust a meth lab you can't just stop to talk to some cuck with a story about being mugged.

>>686286507
pigs are not 4x smarter than dogs.
and yes
i would eat my dog if i needed to

>>686286507
>You wouldn't eat your dog, would you?


If I was hungry enough I would .

>>686284964
Are you implying that I have gone and made it my personal duty to make the world a better place by choice?

Do you know where you are?

Why am I taking the bait?

>>686284964
Humans are more important than animals

>>686285990
People who drink, smoke and eat McDuggles tend to not constantly talk about it and shove the notion of doing it yourself down your face.

If they do, they get the same "go fuck yourself" treatment.

>>686284964
What's your excuse for not preaching to tigers, bears, and etc for being meat-eating murderers?

>>686284964
I consider humans more important than animals is what I'd say if I gave a shit about animals or OP.

But I don't, so fuck off.

>>686285021
/thread

>>686284964
>What's your excuse on still not being a vegan?

I don't an excuse, I'm a carnivore.

>>686286507
I wouldn't eat MY dog, but I'd eat some other dog if it suddenly became legal and I found it at the grocery store.

Just because I keep something as a pet doesn't mean I wouldn't eat that type of animal. Hell, I enjoy pork but would love one of those micro pigs as a pet.

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>>686284964
>We produce all the animals alive for eating
>Without us then these a animals would go extinct
>These animals live long lives before being used for our needs
>As humans we have all right to do whatever were capable of
>Meat will never be scarce

Also, have you been to costco? Its 5 dollars for a salad compared to a hotdog for like 1 dollar. You tell me why im not a vegan Anon.

>>686286815
>People who drink, smoke and eat McDuggles tend to not constantly talk about it and shove the notion of doing it yourself down your face.

>being mad at people who are pissed off about factory farming
>being mad about people who are passionate about their beliefs

spreading awareness about your beliefs is only bad when the belief is actually retarded, like christianity or flat earth. veganism is the way to go if you care about not eating completely disgusting food or having a chance at not further destroying this planet

>>686284964
Born into an omnivorous species.

Also bacon.

>>686287622
>completely disgusting food

Well there's your problem right there. But it's probably better to not bang on at others who like/dislike what you dislike/like.

I realise I'm talking to the internet.

>>686286716
>>686286724
If you "needed" to you would do it, but your not gonna go out of your way to get some dog meat at the supermarket or have a dog roast. I'm vegan but if there was a famine and NOTHING but meat to eat, of course i would eat it, I wouldn't starve to death. But I'm not retarded enough to go out of my way and waste my money on fat, muscles, and tendons.

>>686287622
>completely disgusting food
Or in other words, you got an undercooked steak one day and decided you were gonna be vegan.

>>686285021
This.

>>686288101
You totally wouldn't. Meat grosses you out cause you are a pussy.

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> eläimiä kuolee muutenkin.jpg
Ölf Ölf

I thought it was cringe thread first after seeing the image

>>686284964
neither healty nor moral

>>686284964
Tasty, cheaper then veggies where I live, its free well 15 dollars for my tag. big deal

>>686288137
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NzUm7UEEIY
sorry, would rather eat actual food

>>686288101
I'd eat a vegan before I ate a dog. The dog's actually useful to keep around.

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>>686284964
Brainwashed extremists who hate people that eat meat, but claim to love all "sentinent beings"

>>686284964
Because nothing in this reality that we find ourselves aware of and in actually matters or makes any difference at all, I'll eat what i want. Thanks for asking.

>>686284964
1. cause i can do what i want and you pussies can't tell me otherwise.

2.these animals were selectively bred for thousands of years to be eaten.

3.there is nothing immoral about 2 codependent species helping each other to survive and reproduce.

We've been hunters for millions of years. The way we hunted is probably the most cruelest way of any animal.

>>686285990
that's quite an implication
perhaps they are more socially acceptable on /b/
but /b/ is not the real world

>>686285216
It isn't that good protein

>>686285021
/thread

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>>686284964
>comparing animals to people
Why don't you do the world a favor and hug a grizzly bear you fucking bernie supporting tree hugger.

>>686284964
I allways enjoyed torturing animals. Eating them is just an extention of that. I love buying live chickens and sometimes rabbits and killing them I interesting ways before eating them. I once bought a lamb and ate it over 3 days keeping it alive almost right to the end.

>>686286507
>pigs are 4x smarter than dogs
i have dogs and i've had pigs
never have i seen anything to suggest that the pig was smarter

Vegans:
>don't kill lions, that's bad
>don't kill antelopes, that's bad
>lion kills antelope, well that's nature

>>686284964
>implying feral animals give a shit about you
Does eating plants only give you brain damage or something?

>>686286507
You seem to be making the assumption (deliberately, I'd imagine, as your argument is weak) that people don't eat their dog because their dog is smart. People don't eat their dog because it's a beloved member of the family. They probably wouldn't eat their kids either.

>>686284964
Murder is fantastic.

>>686289823
Shouldn't vegans advocate eating lions, that save several antelopes.

>>686285617
The guy objecting has a point:

Vegan kids are often malnourished.. last week a kid was taken from his vegan parents for this

Did you know that drinking alchool, creates a social stereotype in which it is cool to drink and eventually forces fringe people to binge drink and kill others while driving?

You should stop drinking alchool too brother, you are indirectly killing people

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>>686284964
I dont need an excuse, I´m at the top of the foodchain.
>FUCK VEGGIES

>>686285617
>implying an adults choice to eat shit food, smoke and get drunk is comparative to a child being forced into an unhealthy diet by their parents

>>686290533
this

>>686290533
>>686290606
samefag

>>686290703
Nope. Gonna need some proof there, kid.

I eat meat and i also eat vegetables. Animals "murder" each other all the time and nobody gives two shits. Instead we invented a way so that the animals we eat are well fed and can live and fuck without the fear of predators until we eventually eat them. We don't leave orphan cow children to die of starvation after we kill the mother. In a way we are less brutal than nature itself.

>>686290044
Except that would lead to antelope overpopulation due to a lack of apex predators, inevitably resulting in mass starvations and deaths if not outright population collapse and extinction.

With any luck we can hope the same will happen to vegans if we refuse to hunt them; just fucking themselves into self-inflicted genocide because they're too stupid not to, dying of malnutrition in the streets while countless thousands of people all around them happily feast on the meat they refuse to eat.

>>686284964
I'd like to climb Mount Everest ;^)

>>686284964
I'm a non-vegan who's tried a number of vegan meals. Almost all the store bought stuff that pretends to be meat ranges from mediocre to lousy (and way over-salted). But I've had home cooked meals from well rated online vegan recipes, and honestly, they're some of the best tasting meals I've ever had.

Your mileage may vary, but if your complaint about vegan meals is "boring", then your doing it wrong. Vegan snobbery is easy to revolt against, but don't let it close your mind to amazing things.

There's 3 main qualities of food. Taste, health, and convenience. Those meals I described fail pretty hard on convenience, but are high in health and taste. A lot of people are lazy, so it doesn't work for them. Just know that that going into it if you explore that option.

>>686284964
Because meat is fucking delicious

>>686290927
Yeah but if we stop eating and nourishing cows they will also go extinct and we will have to change diet so we'll end up changing the ecosystem to increase wheat and rice production, thus killing more animals.

There is no easy way out of this vegans

>>686291013
Nobody's claiming that food without animal products is bad. I love a good salad. Preferably alongside a burger of some kind.

>>686284964
Vegetarian I can understand
Vegan is fucking retarded. Eating nothing that comes from animals for whatever reason but using your smartphone with metals mined by children who are probably dead by now? Yeah definitely not hypocritical

>>686291163
Check out the statistics on how much land would need to be cleared to sustain a vegan society. The sheer number of animals we'd have to kill is staggering.

>>686291214
dumb ppl are dumb

>>686291214
African children.
I never saw a nigger cow tho

>>686284964
im not a cum gargling faggot

>>686291214
Also driving cars and using electricity, most of which is powered by dead dinosaurs.

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>>686284964
I'm not even morally opposed to cannibalism.
Food is food.

>>686291284
Im lazy, you do it please

>>686284964
I'm largely vegetarian, but I will eat any meat given to me by hunters, or which I catch myself with a fishing rod. This is because, while I don't want to support the meat industry, I believe that recognizing our place as part of the life cycle if of benefit to everyone. If meat was obtained from small-scale and sustainable hunting, I would eat meat. I think meat-farming treats animals as widgets on an assembly line and degrades all life. Hunting, on the other hand, celebrates life, and ensures we remain connected to the cycles of life and death which sustain our world.

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>being (Insert current year)
what's your excuse for not
>(insert SJW cause here)
I can't even

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>>686291345
You should go outside more

>>686284964
you know that the bottom picture is actually true?
the cops dont give a shit about small crime just like i dont give a shit about animal rights :^)

>>686291433
This is even more retarded than being a vegan

>>686291013
I guess price is another quality of food. It ranges like other meals, but the price of meat has been going up a lot, so the tenancy is that vegan is cheaper, but that's not always true.

Not enough protein from plants is a complete myth I used to fall for. Unless you are a competitive bodybuilder, in which your going to have other long term ramifications anyways.

>>686291432
I already did. Read it the other day. Check the second sentence.

>>686291476
That's a black haired cow, not a nigger cow

>>686291173
I'm talking full on meals, not sides.

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>>686284964
Cuz meat is so tasty

>>686291458
I've eaten rabbit and horse. Both were alright.

>>686284964
Because I'm a animal too, can I eat other animals I shall, and if another animal can't stop me I continue. Evolution.

Most people dont go out of there way to say their beliefs outside of vegans and witnesses.

>>686284964
cause im not a faggot

>>686284964
I really really like the idea that something died to feed me. I don't even like meat that much but try to eat it every day, as the rush is just incredible.

>>686291611
I do that sometimes as well. I was being a dick.

>>686291458
rabbits and horses you can eat too...

>>686291611
And I'm not saying meat isn't delicious. I LOVE a blue cheese burger made out of kangaroo!

>>686291533
Ahh i thought sarcasm or something. Ty anon

>>686285089
I am a faggot*

I like vegetarians. They are sensible. Vegans are trash.

>>686291658
That works for plants as well. They also have to die so you can eat them.

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>>686291601
You got something to say bitch?

>>686291533
How many animals do we have to kill if we just eat the vegans instead?

>>686285149
did you know the farming industry has a direct impact on the climate because all the CO2 emitted by the machines used?

stfu vegan fags your arguments have no sense whatsoever

>>686285149
I actually DID know that.

>>686291707
It's true. Take a look at the places that are given over to non-livestock agriculture, and those massive areas of land are used to provide the veg needs of countries that eat all kinds of food. Now imagine what we'd have to do if we all stopped eating meat.

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>>686289478
Why, because it doesn't make you fat? I swear the people most vocally concerned with protein are fat fucks looking for excuses to eat tendies.

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>>686291458
>we get it man you're vegan you don't need to keep telling us
l

>>686284964

Meat is delicious.


I think that suffering and fear is the best spice for food.

>>686291884
It's not just CO2 retard. I'm not vegan/vegetarian but the amount of pollution by the meat industry is just as bad for the environment as the all the cars all things considered. Cars are a little worse

>>686291798
this is how you overbreed stuff

https://youtu.be/z0O_VYcsIk8

>>686292193
you sayin we should start eating cars tehn? fucking faggot

>>686292182
thats why cats ,,play,, with mouses ...adrenaline tastes sweeet ;)

>>686291798
See it's white. At most hispanic

>>686292048
>WATCHING VEGANGAINS
>USING HIM AS AN EXAMPLE FOR ANYTHING THAN A STEROID USING MORON
>HA-HA

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>>686292337
>being this fucking dumb

>>686285216
You assimilate 25% of the meat protein and 5% of protein from plant source. Meat is way more efficient. The human stomach digest meat more easily than plants. We evolved to be omnivorous and my culture is all about meat /fish, don't impose you culture on other.

>>686287701
Behaviorally omnivorous, not physiologically. Humans evolved to eat fruit but have the intelligence to vary their diet for better or worse. Same way dogs are behaviorally omnivorous yet physiologically carnivorous.

The 'omnivorous nature' argument is false.

>>686292355
That's a different cow moron. You know the world is quite a beautiful place if you'd be bothered to go outside once in a while

>>686291884
What do you mean? It makes complete sense that the machines have a direct CO2 impact for meat production. Same type of impact vehicles, plant production, electronics manufacturing, server farms, etc. produce. So it's completely true, but completely doesn't matter. So the argument is dumb. A better argument is that what makes a difference is the extra layer of machinery, transportation, decomposition, water use, and food supply needed to support the industry.

>>686291503
I remember a time not too many years ago when /b/ was capable of intelligent discussion. Now we get shit-talking teenyboppers for whom O'Reilley talking points would be a step up. Die in a fire.

>>686292610
Culture is not an argument. If my cultural tradition was to impose my culture on others, then it would be fine? You can do anything wrong and blame it on culture.

>>686292619
No it isn't. We are, by definition, an omnivorous species. You can make a semantic argument about it all you like, but we're built to eat meat, fruit and veg as evidenced by the fact that we can process it all.

Humans did not 'evolve to eat fruit,' and if you believe that you're a fool.

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>>686292503
>being this fucking dumb

>>686292642
I'm just chilling dude. I've been out all day it does not mean you automatically meet cows if you do.

>Inb4 you live in montana/nebraska

>>686292952
wat

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>What's your excuse on still not being a vegan?
I'm an Egoist

>>686292911
>romanticizing old /b/
literally cancer

>>686292619
If we were not supposed to eat meat, why do we humans digest it so well?

>>686292619
Wrong our stomach have evolved to digest meat, that is why we digest meat more easily than roots do your research and stop spreading ignorance. We have bigger brain thanks to hunting and the amount of protein hunting has given us. Farming has made the human specie weak compare to hunter gatherer.>>686292952

>>686284964
Because I have canine teeth.

>>686292952
Sorry I want abandon my culture for you I like food and good cuisine too bad you dont know any better.

>>686293004
Netherlands so yeah I do
They're nigger/white

Vegans: sound like a bunch of smug superiority-complex Bernie Sanders supporting assholes.

Anti-vegans: sound like a bunch of ignorant close-minded trump supporting redneck assholes.

Usually that's now how the people really are. But nearly every post in this thread comes across that way. Probably this one also.

>>686289349
and i bet you hunt real hard while walking down the aisle of your grocery store, lol

>>686293215
wont*

Proud vegan here

>>686284964
I don't need to feel superior to everyone

>>686293133
In fact, there's a large amount of evidence to suggest that hominid brains started to grow as a direct result of cooking (and eating) meat.

So basically the only reason that people can decide not to eat meat and then tell everyone else that they should too on the internet is that humans have historically eaten cooked meat.

Morality is subjective. If you disagree with this, then that's a more important discussion that we need to have first. But if you agree:

Me getting to eat meat is more important to me than some random animals not being in pain. Since I view morality to be subjective, what I value the most is what I should protect and fight for the most. To fight for a lesser value at the expense of a greater value is immoral.

>>686293233
You see things only from a american point of view. I'm French and we like our meat doen't mean we are like
Trump supporter... come on !

>>686293278
Hunting for that booty tho

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>>686293107
>shit-talking an oldfag and thinking he's impressing the middle school locker room
absolutelydisgusting.jpg

>>686291214
Eggs - chickens are kept in a tiny cage 24/7 don't even have beaks any more (they eat through tubes) and are forced to eat basically garbage. Cage free farm fresh eggs should be no problem for vegans except that they aren't healthy.

Milk - cows are kept constantly pregnant to produce milk, calfs are slaughtered because no no silly calf that milk is for humans

>>686293283
*won't

Whats the correlation between vegans and Bernie, does he want to ban meat?

>>686292952
>describing murica

>>686284964
I'm not a attention whore

>>686284964
I don't like suicide.

I didn't grow up entirely in the sheltered environment of the city so I know how life works.

>>686293542
An*

>>686293436
Americans can't think of things outside of America. It's beyond their mental ability. Ils sont vraiment con

>>686293425
Don't take Ayn Rand's stuff to seriously, she was pretty mental.

>>686292966
really? look at our closest relatives, ape species - 98% genetically similar. Gorillas are vegan. our stomachs didn't just magically do this shit

don't see the problem.

all animals raised commercially are biological automatons.

there aren't any that have displayed any signs of any of the components of consciousness.

>>686284964
I am omnivore and I like it. Simple.

>>686293629
She had the IQ of a Turnip, vegan should love her !

>>686293397
Cooking, yes. Cooking meat, no. Cooking helped our development because we no longer spent 3 hours per day chewing and, most importantly, a new world of carbs was opened up which is the direct reason we became a more intelligent species. Your brain doesn't need meat, this is demonstrably true to this day, but it does need enough energy to function.

>>686293355
neither do most vegans. its actually kind of the idea of veganism, not using our superiority over animals to enslave them and treat them as equals

>>686284964
>killing plants is ethical
>killing animals is not

Sounds pretty kingdomist in here.

>>686293741
Our closest relative that's still around. They took a completely different path to the hominids (us) who went down the hunter/gatherer route, leading to wildly different anatomy and diet.

I'm sure it's easier for you to ignore the millions of years and dozens of species it took to get us and gorillas into the places we are, but you can't, I'm afraid.

>>686293466
>finding selectively bred animals sadder than child labor

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>>686293596
are you fucking for real

>>686293977
Your simplified explanation makes your lack of understanding kind of obvious.

>>686293113
who says you do? does "digesting well" seem relative? over 50% of this country is fat as fuck and dying of heart disease directly related to overconsumption of meat

>>686294164
i think you fucked up somewhere in there

>>686294065
and i assume you're doing your part in helping the children since its a top priority?

>>686293977
We stand up due to hunting, to see further. Standing up as made or spine get out of our cranial more liberating space for more brain. Hunting has also developed our cognitive ability (planning, strategy). It has liberate time so less time for gathering and more time for thinking. Meat is very efficient food. We would not like it that much if it wasn't so efficient.

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OP be all....

>>686284964
Awwh fuck. That's what the police officer did to me when my house was robbed when I was 14. I was up to 2am from 8pm waiting for a police officer

>>686293741
We're about 50% or better genetically similar to trees and shit too, but you can't spend every 2nd day sunbathing with your dick in the ground to produce your own sugar.

Learn how genetics work before trying to talk about them asswipe.

My top ten recipes all contain meat, I will not sacrifice my happiness it's bad for the mental health.

>>686293744
really? watch a slaughterhouse video and get back to me. or do you not want to see the conditions in which your precious food comes from?

>>686293741
ironically gorillas are also our only close relative that doesn't pass any tests for consciousness.
>>686294057
our clost relative that's still around is H. sapiens.

since we're H. sapiens sapiens.

>>686284964
Only a Vegan would even understand this gay shit, took me 5 minutes to even understand it. Far left faggotry. You kill more animals by being vegan, mice in fields, igeons by the thousands at grain elevators, etc...

Your worldview is shit. As mice are mammals and can be made pets that do tricks, they died because of you. Learn to logic.

>>686292966
Being able to process something doesn't make it healthy or ideal, it just makes it food. Herbivores aren't poisoned by eating meat, nor vice versa. Wolves are capable of eating grains and apples but they're still carnivores.

Humans don't process meat well. Heart disease is one of the leading causes of death in humans and its link to the consumption of red meat is undeniable. If we're omnivores then why does the consumption of meat leave fatty streaks in our arteries as early as age 10 while vegan diets are the only known diets to prevent heart disease? And what about all the people who can't handle dairy whether partially or fully?

because meat is delicious, and because i get satisfaction of making trigglypuffs like you huff and puff around. I'd slaughter the animal with a spoon in front of you if I could.

>>686294399
You're missing the point.
In stead of putting you're energy in being a pretentious vegan. Be a pretentious anti-child labor person. Don't buy clothes from Nike, h&m etc.

>>686285021
/thread

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>not eating meat
+ save a shitton of resources
+ not being part of an unmoraly slaughtercult

- eating in company end up in arguing/mocking against vegans, literaly all the time, not initiated by me. pls stop it, meat IS delicious but i dont wanna

>>686294661
you mean carefully cherrypicked incidents that happen in literally every field?

very convincing.

when you think of slaughtering you think of pain, that's tough luck though, because you need consciousness in order to feel pain and those animals do not have it.

>>686294442
Also because we began standing upright we had free hands to carry stuff and do stuff with on the run. Making us more intelligent

>>686293629
Ayn Rand had literally the polar opposite opinion. She believed that morality was 100% objective, not subjective. But that's beside the point.

If you don't have a counter-argument, other than that I should sacrifice my own happiness to make irrelevant animals feel better for no rational reason, then just shut the fuck up.

>>686294674
Based on what? The mirror test? Most of those tests are dumb as fuck. We successfully taught a gorilla that it was going to die one day. So this is literally an animal capable of existential thought.

>>686294661
>What are hunters

>>686288473
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>>686292503
>you sayin we should start eating cars tehn? fucking faggot
not grasping the concept of trolling

>>686294732
Wrong that's only a belief all recent studies prove otherwise(vegan and vegetarian) have the same lvl of colon cancer as meat eater same goes for hearth disease. Last study on this was a 18 yrs study. I prefer fact over belief. I wont sacrifice my happiness to please your belief system. http://notrickszone.com/2014/03/30/university-of-graz-study-finds-that-vegetarians-are-unhealthier-more-mentally-disturbed-than-meat-lovers/

>>686294917
>need consciousness in order to feel pain

i eat meat multiple times per week and think vegans are full of shit as much as the next guy but goddamn this is bullshit, most of those animals obviously have some form of conscience, and even if they didn't, you still dont need conscience to feel pain who the fuck ever told you that fuck outta here with your pseudo-science bullshit

>>686285149
Its not like all the extra green plants vegans eat wouldve absorbed CO2....oh wait....

I once shot a deer in archery season RIIGHHT in the spine, leaving its legs paralyzed. I ended up drowning it in the creek it fell next to. That was the most delicious venison I ever ate.

>>686294561
50% = 98%?????

explain your mastery of genetics to me. we have similar structures including digestive systems, so yeah, its pretty clear to see people can survive and not eat meat

>>686294917
Not vegan or anything but that's the most retarded shit I've heard. Animals are conscious.. They aren't self-aware

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>>686294917
> you need consciousness to feel pain

The thread hits a new low.

>>686295021
>Most of those tests are dumb as fuck.
they're the most accurate tool there is.

>We successfully taught a gorilla
pitfall.

if you're trained to pass our tests you don't pass them.

otherwise pigeons would be recognized as a conscious species.

>>686294693
what do cows eat?

>>686295209
you dont eat the entire plant...
the parts you eat are usually the parts that produce least/less O2

>>686294674
bro you're fucking stupid haha, look up koko the gorilla. what do you define consciousness as?

Reminder that vitamin b12 is essential to human beongs and the bacteria from which the supplements for those who don't get it through their diet are derived from are and can only be cultured in animal blood or a sort of meat/blood pate. There is no such a thing as a healthy vegan, if you take b12 supplements you are consuming animal products and therfore not a vegan.

>>686294732
>Heart disease is one of the leading causes of death in humans and its link to the consumption of red meat is undeniable.
I deny it.

>>686295430
>cherrypicking

>>686295032
i have respect for hunters. if you kill an animal and skin it, dress it, cook it and eat it you're alright in my books. the animal lived a natural life until that point, and the hunter put in the work.

if you're a fat fuck walking down the grocery aisle looking for a nice cut of meat? you're a "real big man"

>>686294917
>you need consciousness in order to feel pain

That is false. countless studies for decades have shown time and again that perception of pain requires a nervous system.

I eat meat every goddamn day, but you are just fucked in the head if you think you have to be sentient to feel pain, you fucking toad.

>>686294442
We began walking upright to support bigger brains, which we only began to attain because of the energy we got from cooking carb-rich foods.

> so we could see further

Kek.

Termite farts release more co2 than cows and cars combined.

>>686288960
Holy shit this is a so true

>>686294561
The dick wouldn't be in the ground. The sick would be slinging seed in the wind so I could impregnate as many females as possible who have their vaginas in the air.

>>686295197
>most of those animals obviously have some form of conscience
they have never passed a single test for any of the components of consciousness, and there are a lot.

even rats pass these rats, magpies do, but none of the animals we raise commercially.
>you still dont need conscience to feel pain
pain is the subjective and conscious experience of nociception.

without consciousness there is no pain, only nociception.

>with your pseudo-science bullshit
ironic.

everything you just said is based on pseudo-science.

it's based on poorly interpreted blog-tier articles published by 'B' scientists, i.e ethology and psychology, none of which are actual fields of science but rather philosophy based on assumptions and a lot of hot air.

they don't understand the jargon of science, hence why they use terms like 'pain' and 'emotion' even though it's not that.

>>686294917
Just shut the fuck up dude, I love meat but you make our side sound like brain-dead idiots with ridiculous nonsense like that, fool.

Plants know when they are being eaten. Vegans choose to murder innocent plants every time they eat them. At least we kill animals first.

>>686295637
ok... your point? the fact is gorillas have the intelligence to communicate and are very clearly conscious. or is she the most special gorilla of all?

>>686295762
Nope we stand up because of hunting. We would still live in trees and eat fruit if it wasnt for hunting.

>>686295305
Koko discerned that she would die one day when her pet died. But I guess that doesn't count since it was 'trained'? Lel fuck outta here

>>686295255
>. Animals are conscious.. They aren't self-aware
that's why they fail every test for it right?

self-awareness is consciousness.
>>686295289
every definition of pain in every dictionary ever requires consciousness.

you can't be aware without being conscious.

you can't be subjective without being aware.
>>686295430
animals can be taught to mimic consciousness, trained animals aren't counted for that reason.

hence why dogs aren't accepted to be conscious.
>>686295752
>that perception of pain requires a nervous system.
that's nociception you absolute dipshit.

stop skipping biology classes.

>>686295869
thats just fucked up man
killing animals is just fucked up man

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>>686295971
surprisingly, animals eat plants too. more than humans in fact. so, by eating meat, you're killing MORE PLANTS!!!!

>>686295565
B12 is in water dipshit

Vegan is only for ppl with money, I can't affor that diet. Vegans are mostly upper middleclass ppl who want to feel good about themselves by bashing on the working class way of life.

>>686296015
Uh... we stand up to support our brains? This is established.

>>686296172
So why does my dog whine when I step on his paw or tail?
I can tell when my dogs paw is hurt because he limps. If he couldn't feel pain he wouldn't limp.

Why am I even responding you're clearly mentally retarded

>>686295888
you've posted the same reply 5 times now.

stop wasting bandwidth with your poorly formed opinions.
>>686296035
humans don't have a concept of death.

it's utterly moronic to think gorrilas do.

>>686296266
na being vegan can be very cheap.
avoid those products for "rich ppl" and eat staple food. I learned the easiest way: A grain, a green, and a bean. And with the money saved, eat some meat from lucky animals every 2-3 weeks.

>>686289637
Same boat as this guy. Ive had both, dogs are smarter. Not saying there arent smart pigs but even the "smart" 4h pet pigs are retarded.

Whoever told you that was probably dumb as fuck or never left their comfy little city where you buy everything sanitized from a store.

>>686284964

I really really hate cows.

Plant eating murderers.
Plants are alive too, the only difference between a meat eater and a vegan is one isn't lying to themselves about being "moral."

>>686296172
>stop skipping biology classes.

This is bait and you are a troll.

I'm a biology professor. I teach your teachers, and if you believe that shit you're spouting, you're just a brainwashed idiot without the ability to think for yourself.

The global consensus in medical science is that the only prerequisite to sense pain is a nervous system. Honestly, learn something

>>686296212
sick argument lol
>>686296534
I already stated it multiple times and you still haven't caught on to it.

that's nociception, not pain.

pain is how you feel about nociception, it's your subjective and conscious opinion about it.

>>686296657

this t b h