>>685623662

>stay in the EU
>don't stay in the EU
>get cucked by migrants either way

Lose-lose bby.

>>685623662
The once great Britian is now a heaven for immigrants. You guys ruined yourselves.

It is utterly fucked.

Our slaves over in the land of Oz have it right...

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truth is funny just like this song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGRWu9VpTQ8

>>685624201
If you don't live in the UK.. kindly stfu about stuff you know nothing about.

>>685623662
Yeah because all the countries that we buy up to 30% of their crap off are just gonna take the hit.

The whole eu is wrong you have a large group of countries all with hugely different economies and then put them all under one economy it will never work (except for the big countries ) look at Greece .. It cost millions everyday just to be a member because of the eu our fishing industry is fucked there laws might work for landc locked countries. We should leave take back our country laws that apply to us. They say that if we leave we would lose trade. Were still part of the UN it's only logical to leave

>>685623662
we're fucked either way

>>685623662
depends if australia/canada are ever going to succeed. if not, then the united imperial federation/"kingdom" is a good idea barring a couple of socio economic stance policy changes.

if that isnt happening then id best suggest it coddle that bitches cunt for all shes worth

nice sterling faggots.

>>685626184
Pay debts

>>685626184
Hurry up, pay debts.

>>685626613
>>685626496


Explain fellas :)

Brexit will be cutting major trade routes and also make immigration difficult. But if the U.K. stays, they will be no better than the rest of the sheeple trapped in the EU.

It's basic Civ 5 rules; it doesn't make any sense to play on teams when you can essentially reap the same benefits in a free for all, with the added bonus of your own sovereignty

Amerifag btw. It's hard as fuck to find any news outlet covering this matter, when this affects the entire world.

>>685624201
Great Britain fucked itself just before WWI, the whole 20th century this country was losing shit.

Leaving will spank the pound so hard it will take a generation to just get back to where we are now financially. The leave campaign is just a bunch of people in politics and media pissed off that they dont have as much control and influence as they would like, convincing loud idiots (like the pro-independence scots) to do their bidding using fear and nationalism, ignoring how much it is going to fuck up the economy.

>>685627038
Britfag here nice to see people round the world taking this serious. Do you think it will make trade and immigration worse. I personally dont think it will affect trade at all and immigration out of the uk in my opinion will not be affected just means that we won't have to accept immigrants in under eu law.

>>685627345
But the EU is going to go down anyway, and that'd fuck us even harder.

>>685623662

> If we vote out it will become very difficult to trade with Europe because we'll be out of the common market. Countries like Canada have tried and failed to negotiate such treaties.

> We will no longer be subject to European laws, especially tax laws which is where UKIP comes into this. Europe is very hard on things like taxes and freedom of communication laws which UKIP don't like, they've used populist anti-immigration sentiment and some bullshit about 'sovereignty' to come across as 'the peoples party'

> leaving won't prevent immigration at all and would probably encourage a tidal-wave of cheap Indian Labour under some visa system like the US. Provided that immigration allows cheap labour you're not going to stop it.

> The house of commons has already proven that it is no less bureaucratic or corrupt than the EU. I honestly have no idea why voters think that 'our guys' would be less corrupt than 'their guys' - all politicians are corrupt.

> The TTIP is more likely to be passes if we left as we would have to negotiate better deals with the US.

>>685627345

That's pretty much what I feared / suspected. So it's good guy Cameron in this situation? Who would have thought.

>>685627514
The pound leaves first = massive exodus of cash to europe in various ways, propping europe up a bit longer at the expense of europe.
EU collapses = mass exodus of capital from Europe into the UK, while it would still spank us it would hurt a lot less than brexit + eu collapse combined.

>>685627799
No Cameron doesnt give a crap, like scotland the referendum is just there to consolidate tory power. Torys will be in for decades as UKIP is gutted by this and no longer able to dilute tory votes, just as labour is dead from the loss of scottish MP seats. He is playing for politics, nothing else.

I personally think no one knows the exact answer how it will affect . people think they know But its like schrodingers car( excuse the misspelling )

Problem is the common man that reads the media headlines and takes it as fact, is going to vote out. We are up shit street here.

>>685628095
Cat ... using phone sorry

>>685628095
Watch the markets, the FTSE drops a notable percent and the GBP shits value away anytime the 'leave' vote climbs in the poll. The probable impact to those two markets alone will be 3+ years of damage to all businesses (and therefore all people who are not directly employed by the govt).

>>685628371
Again not trying to argue but at the moment it's all "probable" guess work. There's genuine pros and cons and the only way to know if its going to work is Do a 3 year trial leave.

> I think we should take a break and see other people.

When the UK leaves EU and Turkey Joins it - Europe will never be the same. You think migrants are problem now? You know nothing Jon Snow.

KEEP THE TURKS OUT OF EU OR WE ARE ALL FUCKED

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>>685623662
leave the EU. we will take care of it.

>>685627495
Yes, it would definitely be a step in the right direction to fixing the refugee crisis.

But it absolutely will affect trade. The EU establishes basic trade amongst it's members, which Britain would have to then reestablish after leaving. And there's no doubt the EU will respond negatively to the U.K. leaving.
I'm inclined to believe the EU would embargo the U.K. if they left.
Obama came over the pond to make it clear that establishing new trades with a newly independent Britain will be a low priority under maintaining good trade wth the EU.

But that could all definitely change, too, seeing as Obama is almost gone. Trump could be welcoming to the idea, and non-EU countries could find this as an advantage to become Britain's main traders.
This whole Brexit will have to be played by ear, extremely gingerly. I want to see it happen, because I feel like it can be done. Not only that, this Era is rife with change; the world is shaking, and I think the U.K is onto something huge.

>>685628978
Damn id Fuck that ginger wildling bitch

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>>685628978
>Turkey Joins it
NOOOOOO!

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>>685623662

Free trade is good, but another layer of supranational government is not good, neither is being roped into the Euro which is keeping the loser yourup countries afloat.

Being independent can work out just fine. Think of Hong Kong and Singapore. Or Switzerland. In fact, small and independent often equals the best prosperity for citizens.

Americans interfering and weighing in their decisions regarding this is really bugging me. Scaremongering, that's all it is.

Right fair enough you don't want to trade as your little minion has opted out of the EU club.
Ok in return maybe we should stop buying ford/chevrolet and GM cars? How about we talk about in the interests of fairness the US should open its borders to Mexico, Canada and the Carribean to allow free movement of people. Best yet how about we ask them to subjugate their constitution to a new order made up of a north American Confederation.
Let's be honest Britain since WW2 has been an American aircraft carrier and a willing slave to her foreign policy. The sacred nature of this abusive relationship baffles me.

Nothing personal against American friends, but keep out of a decision for the British people.

>>685627587
Not discrediting your entire argument, but a note:

> The house of commons has already proven that it is no less bureaucratic or corrupt than the EU. I honestly have no idea why voters think that 'our guys' would be less corrupt than 'their guys' - all politicians are corrupt.

That's a government on a CONTINENTAL level, just shy of the "new world order".
A government run through the U.K., by the U.K., with elected representatives from the U.K., it would be less corrupt.
There's far less power to be corrupted.

But, that would all depend on your prime minister

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTMxfAkxfQ0

>>685628978
fucking hate turks

>>685629909
>Britain since WW2 has been an American aircraft carrier

Airstrip One

>>685629113
Yeah I agree with you a lot you're clearly not retarded :). I also think if we leave it could be a big shake up to the system . I read Nigel farages book ( I know it's biased) but made some excellent points. I have read litrature on stayIng personally I think out is the best option.

Ps excuse the bad spelling and grammar I'm enjoying a few beers in the sun. :)

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>>685629909
>since WW2 has been an American aircraft carrier

>>685629909
I think I'm the only Amerifag here so far, and I'm a conservative. Obama ignored American sovereignty at the public discussion in Britain. I think he has a private interest in the matter.
Regardless, the U.S. has to respond accordingly. Me? "Yeah dude let's help our brothers across the Pacific!" But we're talking around 40% of our major exporting goes to the EU.
The Brexit will obviously affect the entire world, so the world is giving their input. You should welcome the criticism as it might show you problems that need to be addressed.

>>685623662
brexit doesnt mean sudden stop of all european trade. it is just one of those lies they try to scare you with

>>685631045
I completely agree with you !

>>685631045
>40% of our major exporting
40% of nothing, is still nothing

>>685629961

All of those controversies that happened in the UK government happened under the EU, and would not stop if we left.

Also I don't think many people on the street know how ass-backward some of the conservative backbenchers are. They aren't full Mississippi but they're close.

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>>685631045
>"Yeah dude let's help our brothers across the Pacific!"

ummm.... Atlantic?

>>685631391
Don´t ask.
>>685631045
>only Amerifag here

>>685631045
>brothers across the Pacific!

>>685631391
Fuckin hell, should've put a warning label

>made in USA

>>685631533
>Don´t ask.

I am also Amerifag. But not stoopid.

>the facts the facts the facts the facts the facts the facts the facts the facts the facts the facts the facts the facts

Just vote Leave becuase you don't want to join the United States of Europe and don't like mass migration

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>>685631840
>Salty kid confirmed.

>>685623662
You don't need to be in the EU to trade with the EU. Just ask Iceland, Canada, Turkey, China, the US... most countries trade with the EU under World Trade Organisations rules which apply automatically if you don't have a specific free trade deal.

As for war... Cameron is an eejit with that claim. The Germans are gonna wake up 24th of June and invade Poland cos Britain leaves the EU? Pull the other one

>>685627587
This post sums up the reasons I am voting to stay in.

>don't want mortgage payments, energy bills and/or shopping to rise.

Reasons why they are so low are due to eu competition

>>685632130
I missed this what did he say about war

>>685627345
>The Leave campaign is bad because..

But what about the people voting to leave? What do you think their reasons are>

>>685629113
>And there's no doubt the EU will respond negatively to the U.K. leaving.
The EU sells us more than we sell them, so they'd suffer more.

Germany: we won't sell you anymore cars.
Britain: Ok, we'll buy more from the US and Japan

France: we won't sell you wine anymore!
Britain: we'll buy from the US, Australia and South Africa then

EU: We've lost our Britsh customers! That will teach them a lesson!
Britain: They're crazy

>>685623662
> We have been told by notorious lying cunts that if Britain leaves the EU it could be plunged into another recession and could possibly lead to war.
This is true. If Britain leaves the EU, the EU will be plunged into another recession. Britain is planning to leave to stop the Muslim refugee war that has already come to the EU. It is in the best interest of all EU nations to dissolve the EU. But Britain is going to go first.

>>685631382
Try a Mississippi libtard on for size. Lefties are the new "bible-thumpers", only now it's SJW and PC.

Anyways, I still think you'd be better with a government based out of your own country, and a government a fraction of the size of the EU's

>>685631045
its across the atlantic you dumb fag

>>685629961
Our law makers in the House of Commons are elected so we can boot them out. All laws in the EU are proposed by the unelected Commission. Good luck getting rid of them.

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>>685633244
read the replies already saying that
you dumb fag

>>685632974
You also have to consider that part of that importing is raw resources to be made into industrial goods.
As I said, I'm confident that Britain can do this.
When does this shit go down, anyways?

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>>685623662
The EU is not transparent and not democratic AT ALL.
The people making the decisions in the EU are NOT voted by the european people.
Even the national politicians that actually did get democratically elected represent economic lobbies instead of the people who voted them or what they have been voted for.

If you believe in democracy even a little bit, then you do not have to ask yourself what to vote in the Brexit vote.

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shhhhh, its all over now, shhhh... no tears just dreams.

You personally have to decide if you think it's worth the possible economic risk of no longer being a part of the EU.

Here's the reality of it - Short term, this will hit the UK hard. There is no way that the EU just accepts the UK leaving without at the VERY LEAST trade sanctions imposed, if not completely blacklisting the UK for trade from EU countries. This will take time to recover, how much time depends entirely on diplomats overseas, in the US especially but in other large countries like Russia (Who is absolutely desperate for trade), China (they sell their shit to anyone), and some of the non-EU European countries (Norway and Switzerland come to mind - they have great economies without the EU).

Long term it means that UK citizens are no longer paying a large amount of tax to the European Union, meaning more money can be kept in the country. The trade hit is going to be pretty bad short-term and it's going to hurt everyone, but long term I personally thing the UK will be stronger for it.

(Amerifag here who has been working on moving to the UK for about three years now, you guys make it damn hard for us to emigrate your way without a specialized skillset so I'm pursuing medical)

>>685629691
This. Look at Norway and Switzerland.
They're doing everything right and so could the UK.
Make the right decision. faggots.

>>685633097

I wonder how many Americans would vote to dissolve the federal government and secede into separate state nations.

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>>685633572
>thinking the EU would impose trade sanctions on the UK.... oh my how delusional.

>>685631045
Brexit is an existential question for us. It's not based on trade or anything like that. It's us deciding whether we're European or part of the Anglosphere. No-one but ourselves. can answer that question.

>>685633572
Actually Merkel already said germany will not impose trade sanctions on germany and is even willing to make renewed trade agreements.

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1999:
"So yes, so in America, the Native American situation, and slavery didn't do very well.And in Europe now we've a new thing: the European Union. 500 million people, 200 languages - no one's got a clue what there saying to each other! But it's the cutting edge of politics, in a very extraordinarily boring way. Because we've got 15 different countries in the European Union at the moment and trying to get them to decide anything is a little bit, 'Which… wha… is it… oh no, here, back up, you… oh, you're in with him! Uh-huh, I'm with… Oh, you're with him!' you know.

For 18 years we had a government in Britain who was a right-wing government and their policy towards Europe was one of, 'No! No! No! I can't! ( singing with his fingers in his ears )' And now we've got a government whose policy is more, 'Bonjour! Hola! Tak! Da! ( mimes playing banjo ) Ciao!' Britain needs to be in the driving seat of Europe. In the driving seat, or in the passenger seat, that's pretty good, you know, ‘cause you can take a sleep for a little bit... 'Are we there yet?' At the moment, Britain's not even in the European car. We're outside the car, at the traffic lights, going, 'We're going to clean your windows, all right?'"

>>685633682
More than you think, but the eu was bound to fail. I'm honestly surprised it lasted so long. I had bet on it falling within ten years. Goes to show how much good money people are willing to throw after the bad in order to appease their ego

>>685633456
The referendum is 23rd of June but it takes 2 years to formally leave the EU, so we'd leave 24th June 2018.

>>685623662
Get out op. Quit tying your countries economy to the great nations of Greece, Ireland, France, Italy, and Spain/Portugal

>>685633572
I got a mortgage last year and that short term affect scares the fuck out of me. I could do with this vote being delayed about 5 years - then I'd vote out

Pt.1

If we leave:

.Cameron will likely be ousted as PM, as the conservative party have hinted at doing this

.The current conservative Government will have more power than before in that they will need to:

-Create a new bill of rights. Theresa May the home secretary has already hinted at doing this and
plans to hinder our online freedoms as well as general liberties. We don't necessarily need a new Bill
of rights because the current EU one was written by mostly british lawyers. The reality of this is that
our permanent bill of rights will likely have a conservative ideology put onto it. Some may see this as
a good thing, but think about if it was a left wing government doing it. Really, the Bill of Rights should
be neutral when it comes to political parties.

-Sort out trade deals. The current trade deal floating around is TTIP (for those that don't know, TTIP is
like TPP and essentially allows a company to sue a country for loss of profits. This means that a private
healthcare company could sue the UK for having a public sector. However, Cameron is currently in the
process of caving to pressure in making the NHS out of bounds for TTIP, but the rest of the public sector
would still be up for grabs) Some say that since the EU is in favour of TTIP then we should leave, but a
lot of the EU parliament is still against and the current UK gov is still in favour meaning either way TTIP is
likely to pass. We could get the "Norway deal" as some want, but Norway pays more per person into the
EU than we do

-It's not really known how the gov will deal with worker's rights if we leave, but they have recently limited
protesting of unions and their handling of the junior doctor's contracts has hardly been worker friendly.

Pt. 2

If we stay:

.Things could easily stay as they are, in that the EU remains rather pro-corporate, but also somewhat
worker and citizen friendly. This means that TTIP could pass, which could hurt our public sector, but
the EU would protect unions and worker rights as they have done in the past.

.We have a chance to change how bad the EU is. If we're outside of the EU, we can only sit and watch
to see whether it succeeds or crumbles. If we're still within it, we can try and fight to make it better for
everyone which would gain some power for the UK as some people have been wanting

Overall, it probably won't matter that much to the average person if we leave or stay. Holidays will be more
costly if we leave, but any other economic predictions vary depending on the source/economist. It comes
down to how much you care about the wider economy of the country/continent.

I'm voting to stay in, just because I don't personally trust the current conservative government with the fallout
of leaving. I think they're likely to sway things in their favour and right now I don't believe that's what our country
needs.

>>685629113
The EU would not embargo the UK under any circumstances. It would only damage themselves, both economically and with PR. They won't say it, but the EU knows that the US is closer to the UK than them.

Also, if things go according to plan, the UK will have 2 years where things such as trade will remain the same (Article 50), giving them enough time to formulate new deals and remove any risk of financial instability. Australia did it with America in 10 months.

>>685633682
>T trade sanctions imposed, if not completely blacklisting the UK for trade from EU countries. This will take time to recover, how much time depends entirely on diplomats overseas, in the US especially but in other large countries like Russia (Who is absolutely desperate for trade), China (they sell their shit to anyone), and some of the non-EU European countries (Norway and Switzerland come to mind - they have great economies without the EU).

Not enough, but they would if they knew what was good for them.
The problem was we started out as a loose collection (federation) of states under a weak federal government. Sound familiar?
But now all the individual states are completely subjugated to the national authority. That is what is in your future in the coming decades.

The only state that would have even a remote of a chance of seceding is Texas, in large part because we still have a lot of national (i.e. Texan) pride, and used to be our own country.

>>685634062

I think that the Euro currency was a bad idea but the political union was a good one. I'd vote to dissolve the Euro.

>>685634317
If anything leaving will make interest rates stay lower for longer.

>>685633572
There won't be sanctions, that's rubbish. Yes the UK won't pay longer for the EU but that's vice versa. In the end you'll lose your voice on one of the world largest trade markets and have to accept what the rest of europe dictates.

>>685629113
Not a chance in hell, the rest of the eu and uk are major trading partners, they won't just sever ties with you. Honestly the eu is probably an anchor at this point, you have to support places like Greece and the millions of new Muslims. You guys are big time contributors, think of all the stuff your economy could do if it wasn't supporting failed countries. Not to mention you can control immigration policy, particularly if turkey ends up joining bc you will be eternally fucked if that happens. Just leave man, the US will absolutely help and support you, I promise we will

>>685634317

Didn't you know that promoting home ownership is a tool of governments to keep the people subjugated?
"I've got too much to lose", and all that.

>>685634532

I honestly think that if the USA were to split, the southern states would re-instate slavery and the northern states would try to join the EU.

>>685623662
EU fucked anyway once we leave , UK and Germany THE ONLY country's paying in more than they take-FACT . Leaving will not make a scrap of difference to trade with europe but it will actually strengthen trade with rest of world-FACT . we will not have to be set a "quota" of filthy scrounging violent lazy sand-niggers from every shit hole on planet. DO NOT FORGET TURKEY JOINING EU VERY SOON !

>>685633572
Read the second half of
>>685634434

>>685634547

I think you've got that backwards, m8. The unified currency and elimination of trade barriers was a good idea, political union was a bad one.

>>685634724
the biggest trade decisions are made at the WTO, and by leaving we'd get our voice there back. Right now the EU goes to the WTO and speaks for us even if we disagree.

It's like saying if that if the UK leaves the UN Security Council and allows the EU to speak for it at the UN, then Britain will have a stronger voice. No we'd have a weaker voice because 27 European countries would be shouting us down

>>685631045
Leave the EU and we won't trade with the UK
>But we'll still trade with countries like AUZ and NZ

Anyone stupid enough to believe the complete nonsense cameron as spouting is a retard , the government so scared of leave vote they have a complete bafoon championing the leave vote just to take some credit away . VOTE TO LEAVE !

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i literally can't wait for britbongs to vote for a depression, also lol at all the half-literate europoors from garbage can soviet satellites spewing retarded trash in this thread

>>685623867
This

But ive looked into it in great detail, in my course (law) we looked over the mechanisms found within the EU and how they limit corporate power and give more power in the swing of the individual. Lower prices for every day goods, easier to start up a company because cartels are dealt with internationally so no giant german corporation can cuck a small 10 man business with anti competitive pish.

Im not going to write a massive essay on the benefits of being in the EU but instead cover the reasons behind a lot of leave votes.

One is democracy. People are upset that they do not get to personally vote on matters of the EU, despite how time consuming and ineffective it is, and the end results will often end up unfair. Take England for example - the rest of the UK fucking despise england and have generally completely opposite views, but the will of England, as the more densely populated part of the UK, is the will of the UK. Furthermore, people making claims that it is unelected officials - thats just simply not true. You vote in MP's, who form a government, who forward representatives - stop voting shitly and then complaining about the choices regarding the eu that your voted candidate made. As for MEP's, they ARE elected. And finally, even though we've established it infact IS democratic - DEMOCRACY IS NOT ALWAYS GOOD. People are stupid. People have always been stupid. Will always be. Why everyone feels everyone is entitled to their opinion is no mystery, but why we listen to those that clearly deserve no opinion based on intelligence or understanding amazes me. We have a theoretical safeguard from tyranny in the form of democracy, but it does nothing - in a real threat of takeover, or abuse, democracy does nothing. Take russia for example.

Another reason for leaving the EU cited is the immigration status.

This is retarded. Heavily. The EU regulations allow EU citizens to travel to any country free of will and stay there for up to 3 months - cont.

>>685635210
The Euro is a part of political union, you can't have the former without a federal Gov, federal taxes and at least some federal welfare.

Most Europeans don't want political union, but the EU Commission would force and scare people into accepting it.

>>685634424
>>685634362
>picking entirely based on short term outcomes
There is no second chance on this one m8. This isn't a short term decision on politics, this is a decision for the fate of your country over the next 20 years or so. You only have one real chance at leaving, and it's now. Soon turkey will join and flood the EU with people, more immigrants, you will pay more and more to the EU etc. think about the long term effects, not some meaningless political shifts.

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The no campaign say that we'd be freer to trade with the US, China, India, would be able to 'select' our incoming migrants. Not the case.

If you have people coming in to the country whom you can decide to employ based on their qualifications, as a private business you need not go to the expense of opening up recruiting agencies in other countries where it may be easier for you to recruit employees. Such as India. You essentially get cheaper and therefor lower grade employees at the cost of having to have more people.

Which skilled Eurofag will come to the UK knowing that they have to bother with a visa and permission to work and all of that?

We'd essentially block off a good section of skilled workers. It's a given that Europe isn't perfect but... Like... Come-on. Would you much rather have an influx of Indians with backwards logic or a flood of Chinese who would be growing massive teenage mutant ninja turtles in their basements to consume at their knock off restaurants who are funded by their government to force in their native countries influence in the UK... OR would you much rather play it safe with a few posh germans, franks, Duthch and a handfull of Romanians who like to clean up the street where their native countries leaders do not thus have a better influence over the country because their citizens are right to go and move around the EU as they please and thus Germany can not say shit like "We have 250,000 Germans living in the UK. UK better treat them better or we will treat your workers like shit here."

We can also already trade with countries like the US, CHINA, India freely. But we don't. Because it's all inferior goods compared to how those countries would have to suit a better standard which is currently displayed under the EU.

The EU is actually better for us on trade and immigration.

On the issue of law making; I think the EU is better because it stops us from getting the likes of Nigel Fascist in the helms of 10 Downs st.

>>685634983

Not a chance in hell dude; you must not be from around here.

The USA, even the north, is extremely nationalistic. They would never join the EU.

Ironically most of the South is less racist than the North. I've lived in both places, and never heard anyone say the word nigger and mean it except in the North. I think the issue is there are lots of black people in the South, not so much in the North. And in reality, when you are in a place with fewer minorities you become more racist, because you are not familiar with or interacting with minorities on a daily basis. In the cities up north the minorities are also very segregated into their own communities, in the south there are a lot of mixed neighborhoods with a white guy living next to a black guy living next to a hispanic guy. Racism in the south only exists in the most rural areas, but is frankly a bigger issue up north.
Plus, the south has a lot more religious folks, who these days truly believe in the "we are all equal in the eyes of god" stuff these days.

>>685635695
THIS , nobody on TV mentioning all the scum coming in legally from Turkeystan

>>685635542
The EU increases the price of food massivelt due to tariffs non-EU countries and state hand outs to pay French farmers to stop growing food.

>>685635873
No-one skilled comes here anyway. All the polaks I know are welders and things that could be replaced with an actually good apprentice scheme.

>>685635873
>Nigel fascist
>Nigel is a libertarian
Either you are b8ing or you swallowed the liberal memes way too hard. I just don't even know where to start with the rest of your post

>>685635680
>The Euro is a part of political union, you can't have the former without a federal Gov, federal taxes and at least some federal welfare.


That's the lie they told people. You can have countries using the same currency without having the same government. Several countries abroad have switched to using the US dollar and getting rid of their national currency.

>>685635542
after those three months expire, they get booted out the country unless they are in education and fully self sustaining themselves, and can proove that they have funds to be sustained without social security, or if they are in high paying jobs - a high level of salary far above the average. This prevents people from coming over and living on benefits, as well as people coming over and taking the labour jobs that a country of fuckwits like us desperately need.
The problem is not with immigration law, it is merely that the immigration law is broken - its not immigrants that are an issue, its illegal immigrants - it doesnt matter what the fucking law says because theyre sneaking into the fucking country. There is no merit in terms of immigrants to leaving.

Above that, there is LITERALLY NO OTHER CALL FOR LEAVING.

We're factually better off economically at every scale - the rich get richer, and the poor get richer. Scotland gets 19 BILLION pounds of funding every year form the EU alone in order to create apprenticeships and corresponding jobs, to develope trades etc. the amount we stand to lose by leaving is astounding, and we will not gain anything.

Take a look at the parties - the no voters are all giving reasoned and cited arguments, with clear logic. The yes voters are simply blinded by patriotism - OUR COUNTRY TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK FUCKING MUSLIM MAYOR ENGLAND FOREVER.

Its not a debate because debate implies there are two balanced sides with equal points and a political standstill ensues.

And as a final point - If Boris Fucking Johnson wants to do something, then the correct option is almost always the literal exact opposite

>>685636126
WELDERS ! fuck me painters at best !!!

>>685636188
It would take me an hour to deal with his post. The rubbish Europhiles are spoon-fed.

>>685636018
In theory yes, in practice no. Exported foods from outside the EU should cost more but the net cost is less due to the close monitoring of prices preventing exploitation by private companies. Inside the EU, where almost all food you eat will come from, you pay massively less because there are no tariffs - and if any state tries to create a tariff, directly or indirectly, even accidentally, they get fined many hundread millions - and this applies to private companies as well - fuck with the general public, and the EU fucks you.

>>685636448
Well we have a load where I work that are jobbing jewllers, but only because they'll work for the shit wages. If we leave the EU I wonder if companies will stop playing silly buggers with that, or if brits will get desperate enough to accept below market value wage.

>>685634612
What makes you think this?

>>685636429
The money Scotland gains for this goes towards jobs for the flood of foreigners we keep letting in. Leaving British citizens jobless because the foreigners will work cheaper as it's still greater pay than their homeland. So don't cite that garbage. How about we just leave and give the next generation of British citizens the chance to do something right.

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>>685635873
Someone mentioned how they're afraid of Muslims coming in mass to the UK.

Consider how when the EU was less established in the UK which resulted in what? An influx of Indians and Pakistanis. There are less Indians and Pakistanis coming here now compared to when the EU was not a huge deal in the UK. For anyone to claim how staying in the EU helps people from outside of the EU get smoothly in should just take a look at history. They also have no idea of how things work.

The NO campaign are actually people who want the old system of white supremacy who'd just import a bunch of Indians on the cheap. It's got nothing to do with politics at all. It's just a bunch of closet faggots who want to in-breed and yell tally how all day long and keep us in the dark ages by boosting the Churches influence over the state.

Notice how the Anglican Church has been veryyyyy silent on the subject of the EU. It's really just a ploy by these Christian fags to divide and conquer.

There's really nothing else to it but silly Christian fags and their senseless logic.
Blaming Muslims for their trouble when it was the Christians who are funding countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran in the beginning, allowing them to spread their radical extremist sentiments more easily.

The Queen is head of English Church and if the UK left the EU, it'd mean more power and influence for the Church yammering on about Christian values and shit like that. Come-on. Suck a beef sausage on a Friday...

>>685636188
You're incapable of answering the rest of the post because it hurts your autism.

>>685636227
>You can have countries using the same currency without having the same government.
Tell that to Greece.

When you have a single currency some parts benefit and some don't. You can't avoid that. So the solution is to use federal taxes to redistribute welth from the richer parts to the poorer through subsidy and welfare.

The UK, US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Brazil, Russia, Mexico all function that way.

The EU needs to transfer wealth from Germany, Finland, France, Netherlands and Belgium to Greece, Italy, Portugal and Spain to function normally. But no federal government means they can't and the PIGS suffer endlessly

>>685636018
you only need to compare prices of bread, milk etc. in eu and in, say, switzerland or norway, to see that's not true.

you can leave the eurozone and the sky won't fall.

but it won't be good for your economy and in a few years you'll probably want to get back in.

>>685623662
Get some balls. Then VOTE LEAVE.

>>685637175
Both countries that it's difficult to ship to. Iceland even moreso.

>>685636470
You're incapable of using simple logic. It'd take you an hour whilst for anyone with no mental retardation would be able to understand the simple facts on how not to repeat history.

At any rate, although I have legitimate reasons for voting leave, I'm also really curious just to see what happens if we do.

>>685636429
Here here.

The No voters are with the rightist agenda.
The rightist agenda has been proven to be consistent with the poorly educated.
Just look at Donald Trump.

>>685636836
Leaving will the cause the pound to lose value (which will help British exporters), so is a good thing. House prices will also fall helping people get on the housing ladder. A rise interest rates would screw up both.

>>685637316
What? Switzerland is easily accessible. Norway and Iceland can literally ship to

>>685636984
Most Indians are Hindu, I don't have a issue with Hindu's because unlike Muslims they don't go around raping little white girls, demanding welfare and special snowflake laws for their religion.

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>EU stagnant for 10 years
>Euro about to collapse
>Undemocratic
>Migration crisis on going
>President Trump wants a UK trade deal.
>Whole of the commonwealth is 1/3 of the worlds population.

VOTE LEAVE OR YOUR A FUCKING RETARD

>>685636922
>i've been on /b/ too long and saw too many funny memes about racism that I use it to justify my vote to deconstructing the modern world and crippling Britain in every manner imaginable

The only situation where someone will be hired on lesser pay is for back door jobs - illegal shit, no taxes, scummy shit. If youre engaged in that, youre a bastard and i dont give a shit what illegal immigrant gets your job, you can go fuck yourself in the asshole for all I care.

Britain has the strongest position within the EU. Its became a special snowflake. We get what we want when we spit the dummy out - we are getting more control over borders so we can restrict even more legal immigrants, we get to keep the pound, we practically wrote the ECHR and enforced it on all EU member states. Do some reading before you vote. For everyones sake.

And 'How about we just leave' you really are unbelievably ignorant and have no thought into the depth of the decision. We'll be hounded for decades with recreating all the complex legislation, and we will reach an almost identical end result except we wont have the communal support of being in the ultimate superpower of the world.

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>>685637580
Fuck British exporters lol.

I want to be able to use my GBP when trading online with the USDollar... having more Dollar is good as we can then ransack the world SHTF default currency. You think we'd be better off with a weaker pound?

You are one twisted mind fucked son of a bitch xD.

>>685637660
>Switzerland easily accessible

Sorry, the country that has never been invaded because it;s just a pain in the ass trying to get into it?

What I mean is the UK is the centre of a massive trade route, Norway not so much.

The thinking here seems to mostly argue about the economic impacts of leaving the EU, while I think that leaving would not have a huge impact on Britain as all the scaremongers try to say, there would undoubtedly be a period of uncertainty. The story is that if we leave we somehow become entirely isolated and won't trade with any European countries any more, if this were to happen it would hurt the European countries a lot more than it would hurt us, as we import more from them than we export to them.
The other side of the coin is the impacts on our freedom as a country, currently there are unelected Eurocrats making decisions and laws which affect us and we have very little say in it, I feel that this is the main factor contributing to why people want a Brexit, not because of the economic side but because of our freedom. Even if there was an economic impact, would it not be worth it to secure Britain as its own nation again, to be free of EU rules and regulations? I've seen people say that if we leave we'll have to pay import taxes, but that really doesn't measure up to us having our freedom.

>>685637175
They have mostly the same tariffs cos Norway is in the EFTA and Switzerland might as well be for all the rules it follows.

Compare EU food prices to the US, Canada and Australia for a true reflection of the extra cost EU rules bring.

>>685637562
Im left wing. But that is irrellivant. The left wing lose by leaving the EU as our freedoms will be less secured, and the right wing will be fucked because we will lose enourmous amounts of money.

Donald trump is a vote leave supporter, as is putin, and some chinese or japanese bad cunt. I cant remember the name. I just thought id leave that there and allow you to wallow in your embarrassment by comparing no voters to someone who opposes no voters in every sense.

>>685637373
>not to repeat history
What history exactly are you talking about? There hasn't really been anything like the Eu in Europe before

>>685637303
youre a fucking idiot and you should not be allowed any vote in the near or distant future - you are everything wrong with democracy and are voting on the largest decision and most important thing you will EVER do in your life based on 'LOL CMON LADS LETS LEAVE ITLL BE A LAUGH'. You fucking chav.

>>685637911
You can not escape the Muslims. They are the new Christianity and Judaism combined.

Realize that Christian thinking has held back Europe ten folds.

Not sure why you're letting a religious view hurt you anyway. Clearly you don't see a majority of Muslim Countries denouncing the UK or the EU or such shit. They're like you or me.

You're living in fear. Whilst the yes voters are people of hope and logic. I've yet to see coherent and consistent evidence from the No campaigners... One of the above retards thinks that we'd be better off with a weaker pound...

smh...

>>685637580
A weaker pound means you can buy dollars for less.

>>685638229
The big thing with freedom right now is immigration laws. The immigration laws are open borders, but we let third worlders through the borders by the millions with EU. Wothout Britain can control its own borders

>>685637104

Greece's only problem is their massive government deficit and inability to repay their greek government bonds. This has nothing to do with the Euro per se, except that in the past Greece could just print more Drachma to pay off any debts. Which royally sucks to anyone that is holding and worked for Drachma, because the value of the currency plummets, and in fact this move is a rip-off of the people perpetrated by the government.
Now the greek government can't just print up a bunch of Euro to pay off their debts. So they are forced to only spend what they can take in with tax and afford. Which, btw, is why there were conditions on the % of deficit and debt you could have before being allowed to join the Euro originally, and you are supposed to keep within a certain % to stay in the Euro. But of course countries promptly violated the debt rules and of course there was zero enforcement.

The greek government should just go bankrupt at this point and not pay back its government bonds denominated in Euros. Sucks for Greece, but the Euro would survive. The only possible problem is the banks and others who were stupid enough to buy Greek bonds. They will lose their shirt. Which, if a bank was really stupid and bought tons of greek bonds, then their depositors are in danger. But, that's the problem with fractional-reserve banking, and that's a whole other kettle of fish.

Ultimately, if there is to be a world common money, it should be gold. There you have an international-world money that is beyond the control of any one government. Of course, that is why governments got rid of it.

>>685638472
>Has degree in Economics
>Joined UKIP in 2010 to get this said referendum as EU= economic disaster.
>Was correct.

How those balls doing? Grown yet?

>>685638339
What???

>>685638569
name one, literally one, benefit of leaving the EU. Because a lot of people ive spoken to, far more educated, experienced and informed than both of us, are unable to pinpoint a single benefit of leaving the EU even merely on surface value - I will accept a reason, even if said reason is offset by the other consequences found in leaving.

>>685638635
Ahahahaha

>>685623662
>needs truth on brexit
asks one of the most nationalist independent anti-immigration communities on the internet

nice one OP

>>685639061
Turks

>>685638956
Don't worry, I can rephrase.

Donald Trump want leave Europe. Putin want leave Europe. Left wing benefit stay Europe. Right wing benefit stay Europe. Nobody benefit leave Europe.

>>685623662
Exit fuck the EU

>>685637175
>comparing prices to Norway

Everything is expensive in Norway. Even multinational stuff.

>>685639361
Yet roughly 75% of replies have be remain replies

>>685639061

I seem to recall there was once a similar debate on continuing to be part of the British Empire (at the time the most powerful in the world) and breaking off to go independent, especially in regards to trade, international relations, and democracy.

It was something you may have heard about, called the US war of independence from the British Empire. How did that turn out?

EU isn't needed. I'm not saying it doesn't have benefits to stay, or to leave. It's an argument that could go on for a long time, but at the end of it all, the UK doesn't need the EU. Keep it simple.

>>685639368
Lots of people (who sadly are allowed to vote) are completely clueless about how the EU immigration system works. Ive said this before in the thread, but we have open borders within the EU soley for holidaymakers - you get kicked out of the country after 3 months if you are not A) In full time education, capable of sustaining yourself, and can prove that you are capable of sustaining yourself for the remainder of your studies, outside unpredictable interferences. and B), if youre in high skilled work.

Once again, biggoted idiots are allowed to vote despite having no knowledge or understanding to the severity and nature of what they are voting for. Fucking idiot.

>>685623662
lets be honest, the only reason you wanna leave the eu is cos you dont like muslims - well guess what, its the conquering of those countries that leads to immigration of them in such big numbers

if you leave the EU you'll stop the immigration of migrants who actually benefit the economy, and share common beliefs.

other than that the economy is still gonna suck dick, you'll still have terrorist problems, you'll be no safer than before, you'll have less jobs before as so many companies are EU based they'll just move for business. house prices will go up, taxes will still leach 20% of your income if not more.

do what you want who the fuck even cares doesn't matter to anyone people will live anywhere, eat anything, be anyone - most of us will shrivel in depression in 10 years time might as well stop being a sheep and decide for yourself cos asking others is gonna give you jack shit - LEAVE if you want like a 5% decrease in immigrants and STAY if you want to rot in the same shit you already live in

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Wait I think I'm confused about the answers for the referendum.

Was no to remain in the EU and Yes to leave?
Or was Yes to remain and No to leave?

>>685639753
It led to a corrupt country being formed with the least net wealth of every country on the planet, in that it is literally the poorest place in the world. It then had the worst health and education standards of the first world, it ruined most media and culture, and is globally despised by all other than its own.

But sure, lets leave an objectively beneficial mechanism on the chance that we will become America. You wonder why the educated minority look down on you disgusting yes voters? Do you even think before you speak, or in this case type? Because youve clearly, and dont have the audacity to deny it, put no thought at all into the vote. You personally, too, should not be allowed a vote. Ever. In your life. Youre the uneducated few and should be allowed to live soley to work labour, low skill jobs, and serve society.

>>685640182
It'll state it clearly on the ballot paper.

>>685623662
>What are the facts? What do?
There's the problem in a nutshell. There are no facts as no-one has ever done this before - which is why each side are coming out with ever-more ridiculous claims of complete apocalypse and the end of our lives as we know them if we vote for the other side.

I think if we do leave the remaining members of the club will fuck us over with any trade deals and restrictive practices to encourage our multi-nationals tp relocate to within the EU, if only to make sure no other country leaves. There are real fears that if the UK leaves and the world doesn't end, other countries will think "Hmmmm.." and the dreams of a United States of Europe and the life careers of many Eurocrats will be fucked

tl;dr. It shouldn't fuck us completely if we leave, but it probably will

Amerifag so big grain of salt, however this is the kind of shit i do for work.
EU is a shitshow and will eventually be a sinking ship. Short-term benefits for britain leaving the EU are not many, but long-term you'll be very glad you did.
The trend is bucking against globalization, believe it or not. The more difficult part will be surviving future votes, assuming you leave, as shit will not improve quickly.

There are other steps you'd have to take, most are outlined by one of your more clear headed parties.

>>685640182
Think of the question this way and youll get the same responses from those answering it.

>Are you chronically fucking retarded to the point where your sole existence is shitposting in YLYL threads and comparing your waifus to other /b/tards, yes or no


Pro tip, No wants to remain and Yes wants to leave.

>>685639061
1)Your country is not anchored economically. Right now you guys are major net contributors. You basically pay for Greece and other shitty countries to not die, and it is almost certainly slowing down your growth

2) you control immigration again. Right now, the moment anyone gets in the EU they can go to your country. It's why you have millions of Muslims flooding your country and setting up sharia zones. And it's only going to get worse, because soon Turks are going to start pouring in by the millions.
3)soveirnty regained
>inb4 tinfoil
The EU has been constantly expanding in power and scope. If you leave you get out of whatever mess is being worked up and take your place back as a solidly independent country, free to become a superpower once again

None of this is mentioning that the "drawbacks" don't exist. Look at countries outside of the EU like Switzerland and Norway: their economies thrive while yours struggles. Security will increase not decrease, look at the terrorists found in French airports, Brussels, Paris, Cologne etc etc. there are no military drawbacks with threats to Russia, because the EU has nothing to do with military. There are numerous advantages, and all of the supposed drawbacks are scaremongering that is so absurd its amazing anyone believes it.

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>>685640422
So do we not know which it is? Or is it not a Yes / No System?

Anyways...
>>685639389

Me thinks I've been claiming the No campaign = No to remaining in the EU.

Anyway. I think we're better in the EU and we have no benefit if we leave the EU.

Sorry if I have caused you confusion anon.

>>685625533

This, so many yank cunts with no idea. Their whole country is immigrants ffs and they cry about europe.

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>>685639061
Not bailing out the Euro.
>Being able to make our own trade deals/remove any tariff for imports
>Democratic accountability
>Controlling Immigration/population control
>Not having to repay up to 40billion to corporations on demand of the ECJ.
>Not having to pay membership fee
>Regaining our fishing waters
>Getting Farage Fired.

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>>685638229

xD
Sorry I've clearly been using No instead of Yes.

>>685640082
Companies won't just move because Britain isn't in the EU that's retarded. They'll only move if the EU doesn't negotiate with brittain, which they will because of how important Brittain is in terms of trade

>>685640707
>Look at countries outside of the EU like Switzerland and Norway: their economies thrive while yours struggles.
Actually, the UK economy is doing OK overall, but it is horribly unbalanced towards services, finance and the City of London.

Norway has to accept EU legislation and free movement of people, but can't vote or influence any of it. Plus they didn't piss their oil money away but set up the largest sovereign wealth fund in the world - those fuckers are rich.

>>685640377
>the America sucks meme
Classic, just end yourself please

>>685640790
I was just getting mad because it seemed like you werent making any sense, I see what you mean now. But yes - No means we do NOT want to leave Europe, and Yes means we DO want to leave Europe. Sorry for being rude anon

>>685623662

You're also being told by worse lying cunts to leave because they stand to profit from it. The EU is a huge reason our economy isn't more fucked, if we leave several million uk expats will be returning, the job situation will be even worse, the economy will nosedive even harder and the toff cunts offshoring everything will no longer be bound by EU banking regs, plundering us even more.

Vote stay, fuck all these idiots using immigrants to scare voters, that's not the main issue.

>>685629909
American here.

Get the fuck out of the EU

Fuck yurop

It's literally dragging you down

>>685641164
Companies WILL move because being outside of the EU means that we will be slaves to them being the largest trade block in the world. They will not stay in Britain out of loyalty, and then proceed to begin paying import tarrifs, higher taxes, being shafted by any deals made because theyre suddenly the little guy vs the giant. EU operating businesses housed in Britain will move or crumble. Its a basic fact.

>>685641861
>American here
>Shit opinion not based on fact logic or reasoning
>Misuse of literally

Yup, thats about all youre going to contribute to the thread, gtfo please

>>685641874

This. All Bojo/Farage chat about new deals etc is bullshit, we're not in a strong enough position to beat what the EU can offer the business world, never will be.

>>685641874
and we can make our own companies. Greedy bastards can get fucked.

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>>685640377

You sir, are hilarious. You may not believe it, but I am indeed college educated from a prestigious institution, a successful entrepreneur who has created a company employing over ten people, and created a modicum of wealth for myself in the process. But please continue to tell me how stupid and unthinking I am. Thanks also for wanting to take away my ability to vote.

The fact is many in the US were heavily worried about world trade on the eve of declaring their independence from the british empire, which at the time was the largest and most powerful empire on the globe. But in fact what did happen, is that the US became the most powerful, prosperous, and wealthiest country on earth. This was true from about 1800-2000. It's prosperity saved Europe from fascism and communism in the 20th century, in fact, which is why until relatively recently it was highly regarded by most people in the world as a place of freedom and prosperity. This business about being the most despised is a very recent development.

Anyway, my broader point being, there was a lot of apprehension in terms of economy, trade, and self-determination in the american colonies, but leaving the british empire turned out very well for them in the end, and did not turn into an economic disaster.

In my county at least, we get a fucking shitload more back in EU funding than we put in, I don't care about London, I'm voting remain for the sake of my area that is continually raped by Tory governments.

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We should remain in the EU. (Vote No).

No Benefit leaving. No = greater hold on EU countries. Yes = Influx of Indians working on the cheap. No = Better pool of educated workers from EU. Yes = EU countries can make greater demands on 'independent' UK.
No = We can make greater demands and get better goods from China, USA, Canada, Australia with our 'associates' in the EU where by it'd be a lot difficult if we were not in the EU (if we vote yes).
Vote Yes = Bunch of right wing Trump, Putin, Mao, cock suckers who have poor intelligence. MAKE WORLD GREAT AGAINS. BE MORE EDGY aND CLOSED MINDED DERPDERP.
Vote No = people come here and can stay no longer than 3 months - good for business / tourism - and if you need benefits to stay here any longer then you go back to your own country.

Our country will be next stop for millions of Syrians after they've got their lovely EU passports from Germany. It's time to face the facts gents. We sit here and do nothing or we at least try to take back our dignity before it's too late.

Britain is the 5th Largest economy in the world, you think that the entirity of Europe (especially Germany) are going to face the facts and decide to drop all trade because we're no longer in the EU? Don't be fucking dumb.

It's going to be our generations and our children who follow that are going to suffer, they're already stripping the NHS down to the bones, I don't want to have to pay for my entire University tuition because the government needs more money to house goat-fucking suicide-bombing ISIS-supporting muslim fucks that hate us entire but are quite happy to use our system to get what they want.

Don't make the wrong decision because Cameron has already said that he will not support another referendum

>>685642234

And who will we sell to when the EU can outbid us on -everything-? You kids are so fucking thick.

>>685642498
>what is a domestic market

>>685640377
>in that it is literally the poorest place in the world.

What drugs are you smoking mate?

>>685623662
Stay and we lose all national identity and sovereignty to Brussels. We are tied to a dying and failing union, which does not grow economically comparative to the rest of the world.

Leave and food prices will go down, the average person will be able to buy more. Trade will increase, which will lead to more jobs. Most importantly, we will get our nation back in OUR hands where we can elect whomever we wish, and get them out whenever we wish it. This is not the case for the FOUR un-democratically elected presidents of the EU.

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