>>684649730
being a foreigner you may not be aware of this, but Hillary is actually a woman.

I know, right? shocking.

>>684649956
>Hillary is actually a woman

LOL!
Doubtful.

I dig him because he's the only major candidate still running who believes in government for the people and by the people. Hillary is an oligarchist, Trump is an oligarch. Sanders is the only lower-case republican or democrat running right now.

>>684649730
The main idea is that Sanders has the ideas that people can back.
>Relocation of tax dollars into stuff that ACTUALLY matters
>Protection of environment for generations to come
>Restrictions on super wealthy so that they don't constantly gain more benefits over and over.
>Increase spending on homeless, impoverished, and overall well-being of Americans
>Reformation of prison system, immigration, government spending, tax rates, welfare, college education rates, and healthcare.

IMO and anyone else that truly follows what Sanders does, it's not free stuff. It's looking at a reallocation and fixation of money that is already being spent, but spending on stuff that actually helps rather than deters.

>>684649730
>What is the attraction to this moron, America?
He actually believes what he says, because he's been saying it for decades and decades, and isn't bought by the wealthy - unlike Trump and Shillary.

And because his policies are economically sound, contrary to what ignorant cuckservatives will tell you.

a president may not be able to accomplish everything they want, but I'd rather have someone there who has shown through their entire life and career to actually care about what happens to regular people - rather than someone who's just there for their own glory and ego and power trip (i.e. Hillary OR Trump - both who only want to be president to be president, not to actually do anything to help normal people.)

CANT STUMP THE TRUMP

>>684650441
I'm glad you think the rich Americans that have the money to do these things will just willingly give up their wealth instead of leaving the country like the rich French and Germans did respectively.

>>684650441
>Relocation of tax dollars into stuff that ACTUALLY matters
>Protection of environment for generations to come
>Restrictions on super wealthy so that they don't constantly gain more benefits over and over.
>Increase spending on homeless, impoverished, and overall well-being of Americans
>Reformation of prison system, immigration, government spending, tax rates, welfare, college education rates, and healthcare.

He ain't running for Dictator. Nobody really wants this shit.

>>684650441
>IMO and anyone else that truly follows what Sanders does, it's not free stuff.
This.

Sanders is literally the only sane choice. Shillary is a robot who was programmed to achieve power. Trump has no real plans, and is basically winging it from interview to interview. Nothing he says he believes in right now matters, because he can just flip flop and call it "negotiating".

Just like he won't build a wall. He will, at best, build a mesh-wire fence and hire a few extra border patrol cops. That's it.

>>684650740
Think about it like this... America is THE top market in the world. They leave now, they lose the market. One of Sanders' focus is to look into how to stop loopholes like outsourcing/cheap labor. "Rich Americans" have the money for it. If they didn't, they shouldn't have their condos, their mansions, their golf parks, their own limousines, maids/butlers, etc.

>>684650740
And go where? This infinite race to the bottom of taxation will never, ever be won. There will always be some tiny country that can just lower it another percentage point.

It's perfectly possible to raise taxes and keep the wealthy, if it's financially beneficial to stay - and it most certainly can be.

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>>684650441
>IMO and anyone else that truly follows what Sanders does, it's not free stuff.
Bullshit. Every single fucking sanders supporter you ever talk to will always say "free college" or "free healthcare" as their main reason for voting for him. 100% of the fucking time. The only time people don't say this is when they're called out on it.

>>684650523
>And because his policies are economically sound
hahahhahahhahhahaha

>>684650523
>And because his policies are economically sound, contrary to what ignorant cuckservatives will tell you.

>cuckservatives

You seem very intelligent and your opinion is worth paying attention to.

>>684650854
Yes they do. As a matter of fact the majority does.

>>684650573
Yeah that's one of my favorite things about Sanders. He's been in congress just kind of hanging out and chilling for 20 years, making his way as an independent but backing a lot of other bills and not trying to force much through on his own. He saw that bitch was on track to become president and thought "hm...maybe I can stop that."

We don't need power hungry semi-fascists like Trump or Hillary, we need someone who will restore the presidency to being the executor of congress' wishes.

>>684649730
>moron
>because I say so

kek

>>684651112
>??????????
The fuck are you talking about? Maybe the stupid people, sure. But it's just like the stupid people voting for Trump because "THE WALL NEEDS TO GO UP" or "THEY TAKING MAI JOBS!" It's the same fucking idea.

>>684651112
Everyone knows it costs taxpayer money, but you don't pay for the service upfront

what's so fucking hard for you Teatards to understand about that?

>>684651150
>I don't understand economics but I was told that Sander's plans make no sense by the rich and their crones so I believe that! xD

>>684651157
Yeah, no conservative would ever use that word, eh? You're all ever so rational and would never resort to petty insults. Give me a fucking break.

>>684651112
Fun Fact:

this is an unsourced graphic

>>684650854
Surprisingly, yes people DO want this "shit."

College debt ranges from 30-40k per student average.
Environments are being destroyed daily due to fracking, abuse of land, constantly bombardments of weapons that cause irreparable damage.
Immigration in general needs to be reformed as it takes 7-10 years for someone to legally enter the U.S. and become a citizen, where others are less time ranges. The rich get richer, and the poor get or stay poor. That's an unbalanced system.

>>684651414
Actual conservatives don't use the word cuck or any variation of it.

>>684650441
It's not relocation you fucking retard. His tax plan starts at 9% MORE payroll taxes for the lowest earners and goes up. He is a complete idiot that never got ANYTHING passed in 25 years in congress other than renaming a couple of post offices. Google "what did Bernie Sanders do in Congress" and read whatever liberal nutshit website you want. Nothing he co-sponsored ever passed in 25 fucking years. TERM LIMITS are designed to keep these fucking losers OUT because they aren't doing ANYTHING but wasting our tax money. Jesus you fucking Bernie supporters are as fucking dumb as they get.

>>684651414
>i'm so ignorant of economics I'm supporting the guy who doesn't know what comparative advantage, supply and demand, or collateral are.

>>684651328
>Maybe the stupid people, sure.
There are a lot of stupid Sanders supporters. In fact, I'd argue that anyone who wants to vote for a man who thinks Sweden is a model for our country is a moron.

>Sanders wants the US to be more like Sweden economically and culturally
http://www.pri.org/stories/2016-02-09/bernie-sanders-wants-us-be-more-equitable-sweden-could-it-work
http://reason.com/archives/2016/04/18/bernies-rightamerica-should-be
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/swedish-economist-schools-sanders-on-the-ravages-of-socialism/
http://www.alternet.org/comments/news-amp-politics/what-do-sweden-socialism-and-bernie-sanders-have-common

>Sweden is predicted by the UN to be a 3rd world country by 2030 due to it's economic and cultural policies
http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.454/sweden-to-become-a-third-world-country-by-2030-according-to-un.html
http://en.europenews.dk/Sweden-to-become-a-Third-World-Country-by-2030-according-to-UN-128028.html
https://anongalactic.com/sweden-will-become-a-third-world-country-by-2030-un/

>>684651414
>Give me a fucking break.

Pick a bone, Skippy.
I'd be happy to honor your request.

>>684651404
They're so far up their own asses they think they're telling us something we don't know. I think in their heads they play the farmer who tells the city boy what's what in the stories and jokes.

>>684651596
And no true scotsman likes sugar on his porridge.

>>684649730
>magic trees that all the free shit will grow on

YOU MEAN CANNABIS, NIGGA?

>>684651585
>an unbalanced system.
inb4 it's human nature and unchangeable

>>684651112
Also, let's say you wanted to allocate just 80 billion dollars over 10 years to JUST college education. There are around 320 million people. So 8 billion per year, over 10 years, per person is 25 dollars PER person to pay for 80 billion dollars into JUST college education. There is no excuse when 80 billion gets spent almost monthly on military/"defense".

It Bernie by some miracle won the primary, it would be a free win for Trump because "NeverTrump" republicans sure as hell won't vote for Sanders. Hillary has a chance only because she's objectively better than Trump.

>>684650523
And wasted 25 years in Congress doing absolutely nothing. Name one bill he co-sponsored that passed, in 25 fucking years. That's why we need term limits. For these fucking nutjobs who might believe what he says. He was just praising economic successes of Venezuela only 3-4 years ago. Imagine what this fucking asshole idiot could do if he actually could pass laws? We'd be jumping the borders to Mexico and Canada. My god you people are fucking stupid.

>>684651723
Uh anon it is a third world country. US didn't want it and neither did Russia.

>>684651621
>Has no research, yet makes claims
>"Liberal nutshit"
Sounds like you're off to a great start! Read his actual plans, then come back. Thanks.

>>684651699
>I make up flaws in people because I can't actually disagree with them
When I say Trump has few to no plans, I'm not making that up. When I say Shillary is bought and paid for by the wealthy, I'm not making it up. When you people come at Bernie with "herp derp socialist = bad xD" you're just making shit up. You're playing to the old Red Scare. "Socialism" as most people understand it clearly works, and is just a matter of how much we want the state to handle. The state can build roads and fight wars just fine. Not perfectly, but more than competently. It's not destined to fail if the government was to take over healthcare, for instance.

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>>684649730
Cuck us out of existence

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>>684651404
No, you fucking moron. I understand that these things people claim to be "free" are not free. I'm the one saying that "free" college won't be free because it comes from taxpayers. In fact, it even comes from tax increases for the poor and poverty stricken.

It's the Sandersfags who don't understand the difference and fucking claim they won't have to pay a penny because it's the rich people who will do it for them.

>but you don't pay for the service upfront
And paying monthly for cable is free because you're not paying upfront, right?

>>684650854
It starts at 9% more payroll taxes for people who earn minimum wage and goes up from there. It's not fucking relocation you idiots.

>>684651996
I love this argument

Senate experience doesn't count for shit unless you co-sponsor a bunch of bills

keks

>>684650854
Why's he then even getting votes? Why are there countries in Europe with that system? Your logic is bullshit.
>I don't agree, so noone can agree!

>>684652164
oh look
a chart which reflects your total cluelessness about marginal tax rates

>>684651585
>College debt ranges from 30-40k per student average.

Yeah, because your colleges are absolutely fucked. How about you fix that shit instead of having others pay it for you?
Not to mention college means jackshit now.

>>684651112
And Trump supporters will talk about keeping the Mexicans out. Bernie is a fucking idiot who was just praising Venezuela's economic policies a few years ago, how'd that work out?

>>684651996
I'd rather have a man who believes what he says accomplish nothing, than a paid stooge "accomplish" giving more to the wealthy - which is all the other politicians are concerned with at that level. Almost fucking blatantly so. They don't hide the fact that they take millions and billions of dollars from the wealthy. You think those money come with no strings attached? You think Trump and Shillary won't give favours for the countless millions they're raising? Please.

>>684651723
I agree that there are a lot that cannot back up their stuff, but it's the same with Trump and Hillary, and almost any candidate. However, models are there to be models. You don't go for EXACTLY what they have, but you use and adapt to it. With your sites, there are just as many saying the exact opposites :\

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the dude could literally idiotocracy off hemps back and still pay off all the debt

>>684651157
His policies are aligned with Venezuela. How's that working out?

>>684652164
actually the middle class would pay more taxes if the rich didn't hoard its money and resources so no

have fun blaming the less fortunate for wanting to change things

>>684651112
Shitty meme. 1stly, it's not true at all, basic logic will tell you as much, and he's not only planning to do taxes on millionaires, also Wall St. And the Uppermiddle class.

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>>684652283
Oh look
a faggot who got btfo and is trying to shift goal posts

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>>684652194

Nobody in Congress pays any attention to Bernie.

>>684651174
No, entitled fucks like you who want to bankrupt the country so they can get degrees in art history do.

weather itss 2+3 or 6-1 your still gonna get to the same result, Obama being unable to create free health care just shows that weather you vote left or right, your still gonna end up in the middle.

>>684650523
How is trump bought by the wealthy when he doesnt accept donations and is already filthy rich? He makes plenty of money and already had any politician he wanted in his pocket before deciding to run. You may not like what he says (I dont like half of it) but hes as sincere is bernie.

>>684651585
>Environments are being destroyed daily due to fracking, abuse of land, constantly bombardments of weapons that cause irreparable damage.

As a conservative, I really don't like fracking. I hate how so many republicans have a positive opinion of it. :/
Damage due to war is gonna happen anyways. Us pulling out of the ME isn't going to stop the people living there from bombing shit and blowing up oil wells.

>>684649730
he's perfected the model of "convince everyone they'll be on the receiving end of my help, not the giving end"
It's the same bait-and-switch they did with Obamacare.
"Free public college for everyone! But, of course, this means anyone making more than 15k a year will be paying an additional 2% in income taxes, and their wages will be lower because of an additional 2% payroll tax on their company. Oh, and they can't go get jobs easily because the 15 dollar minimum wage has caused automation to erase the low-skilled job market.
But trust me, everyone loves it"

>>684652624
Because he's not talking the language of giving ever more power to the rich. Sanders cares about the people. Not JUST the richest.

>>684652127
rekt

>>684651996
He's passed a shitton of amendments. He got an amendment in the bailout which restricted US companies' ability to hire H1-B's. He also worked with McCain to get veteran administration reform. So yeah, there's 2 for ya

>>684651414
>scared of "the rich and their crones"
get off the internet till when you've outgrown your teenaged marxist phase.

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>>684652624
Rothbard for Supreme Ruler, Emperor, God King, President & Head of State

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>>684649730
>He speaks of magic and free shit.
All these candidates are worthless morons, especially Trump, and this faggot. Hilary knows what to...
And she will flush this country down. She will be the female George W. Bush.

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>>684652319

>>684652420
Why the fuck would you ever want some things in your country to be like that of a country that is declining into country wide poverty?
>>684652482
What the hell are you talking about?
>>684652522
>it's not true because I say so

>>684651202
Chilling in Congress for 25 years and cosponsored a couple of bills to rename post offices. What a fucking brilliant career. What a fucking socialist idiot no one takes seriously. Start mention free shit and you entitled fucks start flooding the streets until the Trump supporters kick your fucking pansy ass.

>>684652319
>Your colleges
>inb4 almost every state school in America + private institutions

Fixing it, by what means? The administration in colleges has skyrocketed, professor get laid down and decreased constantly, the entire fucking thing is a mess. By really looking at the system, making more scholarships/grants/etc available, people have a chance to actually gain an education. I'm for a system that doesn't completely cripple you with debt for 10-15 years after that. Cars/Houses are different, as the rates are adjustable (except some houses...), but the loans from student debt aren't as much.

Bernout cucked to BLM and is running against the 2nd amendment. He's literal trash

>>684652127
you're engaged in rhetorical evasion.

>>684650523
>because he's been saying it for decades and decades

Really nigga, because for someone who cries about war a lot he sure signed the country up for a bunch.

>>684652665
He does accept donations retard. He said so himself.

>>684652665
>How is trump bought by the wealthy when he doesnt accept donations
Wrong. He always accepted donations, and now he's raising money like everyone else.

>You may not like what he says (I dont like half of it) but hes as sincere is bernie.
Absolutely fucking absurd. He flip flops from interview to interview. He fucking makes it up on the fly - or says nothing, except "it's gonna be great. Just great. Let me tell you, great. Someone asked me "will it be great?" and I told him, yes, it'll be great. You know, it's not great right now. We can make it great again, like it was. Great.". Over and over and over and over.

>>684652716
No, I agree that the bombings will continue, unfortunately. But us being there, does not help it either. I think that many people only like fracking due to its economic value, nothing more.

>>684651328
Mexicans take minimum wage jobs and actually show up and don't whine like the majority of lazy entitled fucks in the US. I'll take a dozen Mexicans jumping out of a van to put a new roof on my house anyday and it costs less. It's basic fucking common sense.

>>684652477
Great! It as the pinnacle of liberalism. Can't wait for Bernie to Make America Worse Again!

>>684652747
he cares a lot
unfortunately he's economically illiterate, and bad at math and spelling to boot.

>>684651752
>And no true scotsman likes sugar on his porridge.
no seriously, Trump and his fans are pretty explicit about not being conservative. Just a few weeks ago he literally said "This is the republican party not the conservative party."
These neo-nazis who use the term cuck have far more in common with the left than conservatives.

>>684652127
>"Socialism" as most people understand it clearly works
Right. That's why all those poverty and crime ridden South American countries are so successful. Because socialism works.

What a joke.

>>684652858
Ask yourself for one fucking second where all that money from the debt is going, and see what needs fixing.

How come in America you get a debt of 60k while here in the Netherlands I can go to an university and only pay 2k a year?

>>684649730
FDR, motherfucker. Our greatest president. Ended WWII and the Great Depression. Your greatest president? Co-starred with a fucking chimp you bitch.

>>684652781
>the rich has your best interest at heart
Please fucking tell me you're just trolling. They want to cut every single thing that benefits you as much as they possibly can, and cut the taxes they have to pay in the meantime, so they can buy another island or fleet or golden yachts.

Seriously, you can't be fucking real.

>>684652624
you guys should vote for a new congress instead of a new president... is there a fail safe on congress incase it becomes corupt, or would it just be another civil war?
Like the Queen can abolish goverment, but the people must still vote to re-elecct. same as a commanader genreal in say austrila. they hold the powerr to disband goverment, control would fall to them untill a new one was voted in.

>>684652823
China is declining in poverty, yet our businesses try to go there. Japan is declining in birth rates, yet technology comes mainly from there, India is declining in economic value, yet produces some of the smartest doctors (M.D. and STEM) in the entire world. It's not the idea of fully basing it off of the country, but realizing that our system is failing and only helping those who are at the top, rather than helping the majority of people.

>>684652958
He has to say he's against war now because he wants college liberals to vote for him.

The American middle is full of idiots. They notice their wealth is going down but do nothing about it. Every middle class American thinks they're soon to be million who are going through a rough patch.

>>684652477
>Venezuela
is that the only word in your vocabulary Teatard?

>>684653140
the problem is the average american thinks "socialism" is just a welfare state, and that "capitalism" is corporatism.
Someone did a poll where they asked millennials if they supported socialism, and a huge amount said yes. but when asked if they supported increased government control over the economy, they said no by a huge margin.

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>>684653001
RIght. Bernie is so consistent.
Especially all those times he voted for war.
https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/47/military-personnel#.VzogWuRus4M

>>684653031
While somewhat true, it's not fully. Some immigrants will take even lower paying jobs, or jobs that aren't taxed at all and thus only screws over the local economy. Sanders admin would look into this and try to reform it!

>>684651112
I'm a Sanders supporter and his proposal for "free stuff" would not benefit me at all.
I already have very good insurance, and for the line of work I want to go into I don't need to go to college.
The bottom line is he's the only one who acts like a decent human being. He's a good guy who has the intention of making the lives of the average person better.
Can he actually do it? I don't know. But I'd much rather support somebody who's goal is to better the lives of the average person than someone who wants to build a wall.

>>684652583
>btfo
says that faggot who doesn't know what a marginal tax rate is

>>684652624
>nobody pays attention to me

fixed

>>684653107
>he's economically illiterate
>he bought into the "socialist = bad economics xD" meme
Nothing is perfect. No country is flawless. However, it's not remotely impossible for the USA to have, say, universal healthcare and "free" (yes, you fucking inbred morons, I know it's not literally without cost) college etc.

>>684653140
>Because socialism works.
Europe is what you'd consider "socialist" and it works fine. No, not perfectly, but better than the US of A.

>>684649730
CUKCED
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>MFW Bernie and lib tards want to redistribute wealth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WWloVLRt24

>>684653202
And I agree, but that's the problem is that Trump is too considered without outer forces than inner, and Hillary will not get the job done at all.

>>684652851
Except his economic policies don't mean shit unless we turn the house and the senate. The president doesn't have enough control for force through economic or social changes.

Bernie has a career showing that he's not overly power hungry and showing he's willing to work with the system from outside of it (the system being the Republican and Democratic congress.) Trump show his dictatorial nature by flaunting his disregard for international laws regarding torture while Hillary shows her dictatorial nature by trying to push us into Syria even through the public outcry. This country turned to shit when the president was the one we turned to to solve all of our problems, we need to make congress great again.

>>684653373
>it's not MY socialism
Retard, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, flies like a duck, has the genetic make up of a duck, it's a fucking duck. Just because you don't like the outcome of socialism after a few generations doesn't mean it doesn't make it socialism.

>>684652194
That's the fucking job idiot. All he does is vote for more taxes and more debt. He hasn't co-sponsored anything worth while. Restricting H1-Bs was the worst thing he's actually been able to pass, which means we have to oursource everything to India instead of allowing people to work here so we can collect taxes on them. Bernie is a fucking IDIOT.

>>684653202
Because asshats that have no business going to college, go to a "pay and play" private school. College isn't for everyone. There's nothing wrong with learning a trade. However, liberals would rather have ill-equipped students going to these schools so that they can a) indoctrinate them and b) rack up loads of debt so they'll be more dependent on the government.

>>684651112
This is completely retarded. gr8 b8 m8 i r8 8/8

>>684653215
>FDR ended WWII
Did you skip history class?
FDR was dead when WWII ended

>>684653220
you're really quite deluded and bigoted.

>>684653446
>his voting record is not flawless, therefore he's inconsistent xD
All his major goals - defending the middle class, especially - are unchanged.

>>684652754
So instead of people coming to the US to work we outsource it to India and not collect taxes. Brilliant! FUCKING IDIOTS.

>>684653588
you really should stop posting from 8th grade
the teacher's gonna take away your mom's hand me down iPhone

>>684653568
>Europe is what you'd consider "socialist" and it works fine. No, not perfectly, but better than the US of A.
Much like Sweden, the predicted 3rd world country Sanders wants us to be like.
Much like the value decline of the euro at rates so fast it's almost historic.
>but better than the US of A
In what aspect? Economically, you're objectively wrong.

>>684651150
Sanders' economic policies are the only ones that even come close to working, and are the only ones that are fundable.
Trump can't even fund his wall, he's "going to make Mexico pay for it". Retard.

>>684653568
what exactly is better about Europe

>>684650405
Majoritarianism is arguably worse.

>>684653256
well america was always a young country focues on growth, saidly they are stuck in there way

>>684653215
>Ended WWII
Died before the war was ended by TRUMAN
>Great Depression
made it worse by his dumbass gov'ment programs. The war machine got us out of the depression

>revisionist history much?

>>684651049
Examples please.

>>684653642
prove it

show me where in the Constitution it requires a Senator to co-sponsor legislation

>>684653853
why do you assume I am a supporter of Bernie's republican twin?

>>684653668
I should have said defeated the Nazis by bombing them back into the stone age. Your candidate? Wants to bring them back.

>>684653568
He's economically illiterate because he claims that a transaction tax on wallstreet combined with a higher capital gains tax would result in people investing their money outside of wall street.
Only two countries in the world have such a tax, and one of them has suspended it under review, an NEITHER is as high as he wants.

He's literally unaware of how one sector of the economy is effected by another.
I'd say that's pretty illiterate.

>>684653741
>his voting record is not flawless, therefore he's inconsistent xD
Yes. If he's inconsistent and voted for bills that openly allowed people in wallstreet to make more money and then claims that he's against these big wigs in wall street, he IS inconsistent.
>All his major goals - defending the middle class, especially - are unchanged.
Don't you mean defending the lower class and minorities?

>>684653675
>words
I'm demonstrably right. The bankers tore out your eyeballs in the crash of 09. They gave exactly not one single fuck about destroying people's lives.

>>684653860
More upward social mobility, and fewer people dying in the street because they're unfortunate or ill or otherwise, for instance.

>>684653642
>Bernie is a fucking IDIOT.
says the faggot who thinks being in the Senate doesn't count as experience

>>684653324
they soon will be millionaires what with the deflation of the dollar :P middle america is caught up in there on rat race- carer & family

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>>684653568
>Europe is what you'd consider "socialist" and it works fine
Yup. Everything is great.

>>684653452
No he won't. He doesn't understand the concept that there needs to be low paying jobs and ALWAYS will be. Raising the minimum wage like the dumb fuck wants to do will only cause inflation to catch back up. It has every fucking time in history. Read a fucking history and economics book. It's not rocket science.

>>684649730
>What do you think Sanders will do besides rant for 4 years?

Pull the corporate dick out of the ass of the USA.

>>684654047
>muh experience
Bush had a lot of experience in politics. By this logic, you liberals must think Bush was a great president.

>>684653853
Bernie Sanders, like the orange guy, is a protectionist. This is the economic equivalent of flat earth theory. Nearly every single economist on the planet left, right, or center on the planet knows that free trade is a good thing and Bernie Sanders doesn't.

>>684653626
oh my fucking god
I'm AGREEING WITH YOU.
I'm said retarded voters support him because when they HEAR him say socialism, they don't realize what he's fucking talking about and just think he means more welfare.

>>684650441
>implying we can pay for his shit
>implying it wouldn't kill economic growth, the real driver of peosperity

>>684653890
true, but I knew I'd trigger some people if I straight up called him a republican so I had to add democracy. I'd still say oligarchism is worse than majoritarianism but it's more stable.

>>684654009
>Yes. If he's inconsistent and voted for bills that openly allowed people in wallstreet to make more money and then claims that he's against these big wigs in wall street, he IS inconsistent.
Examples.

>>684654120
>Yup. Everything is great.
>Everything
I specifically said that no, not everything is perfect.

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>>684654139
Nah. He'll easily buckle under some pressure. He's a wuss.

>>684649730
I'm pretty sure his first day was, never would have been, gouging Wall Street for a trillion dollars.
I guess Donald, which will see the most prosperous age in Wall Street history wins out. Go figure.

>>684654134
> there needs to be low paying jobs and ALWAYS will be.

what fascists actually believe

>>684653849
>Economically, you're objectively wrong.
GDP

>>684653969
>Your candidate? Wants to bring them back
what? Who?

>>684654016
go back to stormfront.

>>684654139

This

>>684654230
How about the fucking pic related that you initially replied to, you retard? >>684653446

Holy shit. What a joke.

>>684654016
>fewer people dying in the street because they're unfortunate or ill or otherwise, for instance.
why is it the government's job to prevent this?

>>684654259
Bernie Sanders 2017. Return of the worst Jew known to man.

>>684654160
governors do not have DC Beltway experience, no

you just don't want to admit Sanders is connected and would pass shit that would make your butt hurt

>>684653853
Bernie can't fund shit. Congress would laugh at a 9% tax increase on someone who already makes minimum wage. You people are fucking morons.

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>>684654166
>being this ignorant of economics

>>684654291
http://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/022415/worlds-top-10-economies.asp
Oh look. You're wrong. Not surprising that Sandersfags know nothing about economics.

>>684654016
> bankers tore out your eyeballs

False. It was libtard President Clinton that forced the banks to give out loans to people that didn't qualify.

>>684649730
Republicans are evil racist morons
Hilary is untrustworthy
Bernie wants to give us free things.
- moronic libtatoes

>>684653860
Fuck Europe. VAT Taxes on everything. That's why we import everything from China.

>>684654430
then he would point to the fact the voters support this overwhelmingly and force their hand

something Obama should have done

>>684654423
Nixon was a senator.
I guess you liberals love him too, huh?

>nobody's mind is going to change
>there is no point in debating your position
>all of you are retarded
>this is why we need an oligarchy so politics doesn't devolve into this cesspool where everybody believes their crudely formed opinions actually matter
>thank god most politicians operate behind closed doors and just pander bullshit to you fucks as a front.

>>684654650
so rather than admit you had your ass handed to you regarding Sanders' experience, you'd rather distract us by bringing up stupid assholes?

Good job Teatard

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>>684654482
Did you reply to the correct anon? Because I think Bernie is a fucking joke.

>>684654353
>How about the fucking pic related that you initially replied to, you retard?
Specific examples of contradictory bills instead of just vomiting up his entire voting record, buster brown.

>>684654120
Arabs are just Europe's Mexicans. Same shit here, but bean-flavored shit. Nothing to do with Socialism, everything to do with war, shitty Mexican and Middle-astern economies, and global warming.

>>684654755
>all of you are retarded
except me

>>684649730
>>684650441

There isn't. It's mostly ignorant 20somethings and various government dependents regurgitating half truths to one another.

Adults realize that wealthy will always be wealthy and that hiking unskilled labor wages from 8 dollars to 15 dollars means half of them are now collecting unemployment. More into the red.

>>684654805
cool story faggot

>>684653955
It's not required, but after 25 fucking years, you think he would be more useful than checking "YES" for taxes and more war.

>>684654166
>implying bernie sanders wants to get rid of free trade

>>684654379
If the government isn't here for the people, what the fuck is it here for?

>>684653849
well if all the EU contrys pool there money together they have more money than ameria. that is why there is a EU, to be able to compet with larger countrys. just look at the chinese bra wars

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>>684653215
>motherfucker
Why are liberals so angry all the time?

>>684654004
Hey, he was just praising Venezuela a few years ago. We should be more like them, rich with Oil!

>>684654884
again, if faggots like you supported living wages, we wouldn't have tax increases

>>684654791
Are you retarded? I just gave an example of a shitty president with experience as a senator when you argument was that if you had experience as a senator you'd be a good president.

>>684654975
Because republicans are usually vehemently ignorant and that pisses most people off. You're basically the niggers of the political arena and need to be exterminated.

>>684654884
>Sanders voted for more war

examples?

>>684651621
why read some random website when you can go straight to congress website and get it from the official source?

bernie literally got more than 200 laws passed. including fair pay act, veterans compensation, vawa reauthorization, water for the poor, veterans health programs, rare diseases act, reduction of lead in drink water, post-9/11 veterans educational assistance, fair sentencing act, als registry act, voting rights, veterans benefits expansion, victims of trafficking protection, work incentives improvement, nursing home resident protection, school-to-work opportunities act, religious freedom restoration act, family and medical leave, etc etc etc.

again, why do conservatives hate facts?

>>684654921
How is that "for the people"?
the government's job should never be to protect people from themselves for their own good.
The government is not your parent.

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>>684649730
just got my CA ballot. Voting for Bernie because he's different and honestly this country and the world is ready for more socialism. I did the whole libertard phase and you know what? Liberty was great but we've gotten ourselves into a bad place. The robots are about to take over and unless we abandon silly, simplistic ideologies we will have a technological nightmare future. We need to consciously choose to control the path forward or we will end up in a very inhumane future. The time for a minimum income is now. I'm not saying go 100% full retard socialist(like bernie), but we have to do something. We have to chose the future we want and use the strength of our collective, conscious wills to make it happen. Yes there will be government stealing and thuggery. It is better than living homeless and praying that an amazon delivery bot drops a scrap of food for you.

That said, I'm voting for Gary Johnson or even Trump(if it looks like shillary will win) in the general election. If only my vote counted, though. I'm in CA so some superdelegate is going to pick whoever the fuck they want.

>>684650740
The US taxes US citizens even if they live overseas, faggot.

>>684654831
THE FUCKING PICTURE YOU INBRED RETARD
>>684653446

Holy fuck. You Sandersfags are either literally retarded or just complete scumbags. What a clown.

>>684655036
no you're a butthurt faggot who still insists that Sanders' time in Congress isn't experience

just say it
stop bringing up shitheads like Nixon and Bush
stick to the fucking topic

>>684654166
Apparently, nobody knows that there is no free trade, and economics is a forensic science. Tell me how we're supposed to compete with Asia and Mexico without stooping to their level without trade protections? Nixon opened up China so we could sell them our products. Are you seeing how this works? Fuck globalism.

>>684655073

Correct

>>684654574
*cought cought* chinese bra war

>>684654952
So it takes an entire continent to equal one country?
How do you think this helps your argument?

>>684654290
Inflation always follows minimum wage hikes, in every economy in history.

>>684655026
>Venezuela
it's too early for a drinking game faggot

>>684655280
bullshit

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>>684654840
>Nothing to do with Socialism
"Akmed, we can travel to Europe, get welfare, attack them, and they'll call anyone who opposes us racist!"
"Sounds, great brother. I love socialism!"

>>684655152
they tax them for working overseas.
But if you become a citizen of another country, the US has no claim to you.

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>>684654506
>that forced the banks
I knew some idiot would say this. Poor little banks being forced to make countless billions hand over fist. Forced to use incredibly high risk derivatives to make retarded amounts of money.

They were not forced, buddy.

>>684655187
I'm not that anon. My argument was that "experience" as a senator doesn't automatically mean you'll become a good president. In fact, most presidents with experience as a senator ended up being lackluster or complete shit (IE, Obama).
http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/senators_became_president.htm

>hillary is going to be the next president because of you fags voting for trump over bernie

>>684655389
don't you faggots ever get tired of posting graphics that make you look like cringing faggots

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>>684655106

You must have gills, because by all rights you should have drowned in the kool-aid you've been guzzling.

>>684655196
>Fuck globalism
Agreed anon. I'm not a citizen of the world. I'm a red blooded American.

>>684655415
>In fact
you're mad a nigger got elected twice

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>>684654607
Then why didn't he just pass it through Congress? Oh, because NO ONE WANTS THIS. It's economic suicide. Every company would have to either pay everyone 9% less or charge 9% more (inflation). It's fucking common sense. Where else would the money magically come from idiot?

>>684655506
what amazes me is that those shitty ass facebook memes always end up so incredibly low rez

>>684655073
Not Republican. Sorry.

>>684649730
-He isn't indebted to large corporations
-He has been consistent in his policies for 40 years, no matter how controversial at the time
-He isn't a fucking orangutan

>>684655534
>confronted with facts
>retreats further into right-wing denial mode

kek

>>684655148
Fucking bread man!

Ok, hillary is full of bullshit, trump IS bullshit, bernie talks bullshit, but the fact is, we europeans laugh at your student loans and laugh at your poverty rates. Bernie probably wouldnt do shit about these things because, well, he simply couldnt, but he would at least start changing the mentality of the country. Free college in 4 years? Pfffft no way. In 30 years? Possible. But if you retards keep electing puppets, nothing will even start to change

>>684655584
you mean butthurt conservatives like you don't want this

be honest

>>684649730
What I'm more baffled about is how people can shittalk any candidate except the one they vote for like the one they're voting for is 100% absolutely perfect.

I've compared it to religious debates between different religions: It's people saying "My god is better than your god!" We have literally nothing except what candidates say and do to go off of, and the fact that money, capitalism, and greed exist means that it's entirely possible that any candidate could have their hands tied or be manipulated by money. Voting based on what seems like the "best choice" is all well and good, but I don't think any candidate is risk-free in this election.

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Sandersfags completely destroyed. Again.
And they'll never learn too. Oh well.

>>684655534
>oops, facts
>better throw out some buzz words and hide underneath the bed

>>684655280
implying inflation isn't rampant even when the minimum wage isn't raised

implying wages shouldn't keep up with inflation

>>684655592
>low res
probably the only way to store gazillions of them on a shitty iPhone

>>684655082
Since you're obviously too stupid or lazy to use google: http://www.mintpressnews.com/bernie-sanders-voting-record-antithetical-to-his-purported-anti-war-stance/208066/

>>684655723
>Free
You use that word like you know what it means.

>>684655761
yeah you told us shitty low res bait faggot

>>684655862
>/www.mintpressnews.com
sounds legit

>>684649730
Less damage than hillary. Personally i want trumphes gonna get shut down a lot. He probably wont do anything for four years.... and sadly tthat's our best option right now.

>>684655633
Point still stands, and good.

>>684655761
Jesus this is so retarded.
There isn't anybody who's under the impression that he's handing out free material goods.
Free healthcare and education are things that will greatly benefit people, what's the huge issue with doing things that will help the average person?
I know you conservatives have an issue with compassion, but come on.

>>684654607
>force their hand
Yeah sure bud. That's how it works, if only the president just demanded everything he wanted to be done. There are systems in place for Congress to tell him ans his plan to go fuck themselves.

>>684655745
>if it's not 100% perfect it can't be better than any other alternative
nice logical fallacy there, retard

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>>684655106
Voting and sponsoring are two different things. You're an idiot like the rest who keep claiming Obama didn't double the national debt and saying he reduced the deficit instead. Fucking liberal morons.

>>684655990
>Less damage than hillary.
name even one bad thing Clinton would bring about

>>684655870
Quality education accessible to lower classes. Happy now?

>>684655164
>THE FUCKING PICTURE YOU INBRED RETARD
You need to calm down there, kiddo.

As I thought, you were only telling a half truth at best. Look into it bro. The consequences were not intended.

>>684656042
Just saying
Sanders would use the fact the voters OVERWHELMINGLY wanted Congress to pass his policies

only the Republican minority would be complaining

>>684654444
>>684655196
From the Concise Encyclopedia of Economics, article "Free trade" "Suppose the average American worker earns twenty dollars per hour while the average Chinese worker earns just two dollars per hour. Won’t free trade make it impossible to defend the higher American wage? Won’t there instead be a leveling down until, say, both American and Chinese workers earn eleven dollars per hour? The answer, once again, is no. And specialization is part of the reason.

If there were only one industry and occupation in which people could work, then free trade would indeed force American wages close to Chinese levels if Chinese workers were as good as Americans. But modern economies are composed of many industries and occupations. If America concentrates its employment where it does best, there is no reason why American wages cannot remain far above Chinese wages for a long time—even though the two nations trade freely. A country’s wage level depends fundamentally on the productivity of its labor force, not on its trade policy. As long as American workers remain more skilled and better educated, work with more capital, and use superior technology, they will continue to earn higher wages than their Chinese counterparts. If and when these advantages end, the wage gap will disappear. Trade is a mere detail that helps ensure that American labor is employed where, in Adam Smith’s phrase, it has some advantage."

>>684654297
Trump. Holding onto that Duke endorsement for dear life, then claimed he didn't know who he was, when there's proof he does.

>>684656063
I'm not saying that one isn't better than the others. I'm saying that to imply that your candidate will be somehow better despite not being able to guarantee it is foolish. You can't predict how someone will act.

Also if you could tell me which fallacy it is that'd be helpful, because I haven't gotten most of them down yet.

When will you idiots stop blaming the president for all the countries problem and start putting some on the other 500 some other people who are also responsible?

>>684656136
we can have that instantly, just kill the NEA.

>>684654414
Back to the bunker, faggot, you're still smoldering.

>>684649730

I want someone to post a concise list of what exactly makes Bernie dishonest or anything like Hillary or Trump. One that doesn't contain insults, just factual information that can be researched. I've been following the man for almost two decades now and I've witnessed nothing but a man who fights for America. I've never heard him offer anything for free, even an actual socialist would tell you those programs are paid for in taxes. And they aren't taxes on you and me, they're taxes on anyone making $250k a year and up, well above the heads of the upper middle class. And all that is moot anyway, if congress doesn't agree to it he won't pass any of the bills that you're so illogically scared of. At the bare minimum I want him in office because he is honest and repeatedly proven to care about his country. He has no super pac or corporate lobbyists to answer to.

If you have legitimate evidence of the man being dishonest, please share it now or shut up. And remember, even if you do find some small inference, it will be weighed against those of Trump and Hillary, so you better find something good.

>>684655584
>Then why didn't he just pass it through Congress?
Because they're bought and paid for by the wealthy, and Obama is a conservative - which his most recent supreme court appointee is yet another sign of.

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Again,
-He isn't indebted to large corporations
-He has been consistent in his policies for 40 years, no matter how controversial at the time
-He isn't a fucking orangutan

>>684649730
I'm a Trump supporter, but as far as Democrats go, I prefer Bernie. Even if he's an idealist, I prefer his honesty to Hillary's blatant corruption.

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>>684653373
>Someone did a poll where they asked millennials if they supported socialism, and a huge amount said yes. but when asked if they supported increased government control over the economy, they said no by a huge margin.

That's because most millennials are retarded. That's not meant as an insult. They've spent their lives in a coddled environment where they aren't exposed to the realities of life and have lost any ability to deal with life or even recognize reality. The constant protection and bubble wrap has not allowed their brain to develop normally.
It's their parent's fault. But they ARE functionally retarded.

>>684656415
inb4 buttmad replies

>>684656450
>Hillary's blatant corruption.
such as?

>>684656036
>Free healthcare and education are things that will greatly benefit people, what's the huge issue with doing things that will help the average person?
Well, my retarded sandersfag, these things are incredibly expensive and would require a massive tax increase for everyone. While it's nice to be compassionate and take the moral highroad, you need to remember that it will cost people money. If you aren't concerned because you think you'll be using other peoples money, then you are not compassionate but vindictive. You also fail to realize that everyone will be receiving a tax increase. see >>684652164
You also fail to understand just how expensive it will all be. >>684655724
It's super easy to be giving when you aren't the one who has to give. It's easy to be socialist until you run out of other peoples money.

>>684656036
this failure of conservative thinking is linked to their lack of knowledge about the outside world
they present free tuition and affordable health care as crazy utopias that couldn't possibly ever happen, even though it's working fine in the rest of the world
literally not a fucking person in europe would prefer to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for college and health care. not even the hardcore conservatives.

>>684656415
Why are you afraid of corporations?

>>684656414
>Obama is a conservative

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

>>684655246
more countrys, more varity, more solutions.
If you look at chinas political system they have a board of exectives. in the EU they have a board of presidents/priminesters. in america they have a president who has to purswade congress. in russia, they have a president who is advised by congress. america has a system where thingss wont change until it hits the fan or if the ruling elites want to do something. in russia there isn't a ruling elite, there 1 man in one 1 seat at the top.

>>684656578
College in the united states is expensive because of government subsidies.
American healthcare is the finest in the world.

>>684656066
those examples were all sponsored by sanders, you illiterate fuck

>>684656146
Retard, how does quantitative easing on wall street have a "NOT INTENDED" result of wall street deals being taxed less. It's literally the fucking bill itself.

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>>684655506
Nope, because you liberal faggots get too butthurt by common sense.

>>684654482
Investopedia, eh? I guess you get your business news from Crocodile Murdoch's Wallaby Street Journal.

>>684655870
Tell me true man, is it some conservative meme to unnecessarily reminding libs that tax-funded shit isn't actually free? I mean, you can't seriously think anyone believes it's literally 100% free, so reminding us of that fact must be some sort of inside joke.

I just find it hard to have respect for the person I'm disagreeing with if he's so fucking stupid that he doesn't think I, and everyone else, understands this blatantly obvious stuff.