To bad ones a battle flag the other is the actual flag of a self hating jew baits weak bud

>>684378801

Ethnic Jews are actually evil though and have control over large portions of western society.

Because we're dumb

The Confederates just wanted to be left alone.
The Nazis wanted to create a better world.

This is the darkest timeline.

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not even the right fucking flag. That's either the confederate naval jack or it's the army of north Virginia.
Because white trash is idiots is why. that's why that's flown.

The north fucking wrecked the south with their scorched earth shit. It's not black and white. Defending a way of life, however despicable isn't morally equivalent to attempting genocide, and is much less deliberate.

>>684378801
we still hold a grudge about the war and the destruction of the south.

>1860s
>be farmer
>be in fuck all nowhere western North Carolina
>don't give two shits about the niggers there are no niggers in western North Carolina
>here comes assholes in blue
>get farm burnt down
>fucking Yankees

>>684379859
>implying the holocaust happened
I think there are better alternatives than genocide for ridding your country of undesirables, but at least if it had happened the Jews wouldn't bitch about it all the fucking time.

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>>684378801
Because it shows we aren't keen to bring pushed around
You can't try to impress us but we will always have the rebel spirit waiting to burst out and kick ass

>>684380068
Don't forget the part where you got your ass kicked by crippling strategic attrition.

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>>684380068
>rebel spirit
>religiously follow Faux News master in destroying own way of life

choose one

>>684380561
>Faux News
Fox News is probably the most objective major News network on American TV. That's not saying much though.

>>684380285
And remember we kicked you yanks ass too
It won't go as easy as you expect this time around you gunless pussies

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How are these comparable?

One is a separatist nation that refused to industrialize and suffered the consequences due to it.

The other was a massively industrial empire that conquered almost all of Europe before failing after 6 years and being at war with 97 nations.

Is it the Nationalism..?

>>684378801
Because they have a lot of patriotism but no fucking clue what it stands for -- basically they are idiots.

>>684378801
Holy shit, you're so fucking wrong
Not American, but I know my fucking flags.
1. The Dixie-flag was NEVER an official flag during the war. It was a battle-flag, sewn by the wives of the soldiers.
2. There were PROUD, BLACK men carrying that flag. The American civil war were never just "slavery vs. no slavery", the entire-slavery thing was a MINOR point. In fact, most white americans didn't even care.
3. That flag in itself has no racist meaning. It's symbols.
1. Red, White and Blue. The colours of freedom.
2. The 11 stars, representing the 11 southern states.
3. The cross, representing Christianity.
I wonder where the FUCK you are able to see racism and ignorance in that.
You could argue that the flag has changed meaning the past 60-years, but it's THE PEOPLE that are racist. NOT the flag. By raising that flag, it does not mean you are racist. It does not mean you support slavery. It does not say anything about you.
The only thing that flag means, is what it means to individuals. Now, if you are a cuck who wants to see that flag as something bad, it says more about you as a person.
Go drive off of a cliff.

>>684380561
>faux news
Go back to watching the tyt faggot

>>684378801
Because even though a war started that spilt the country in two, it shows that, we as Americans are not afraid to fight and die to protect what we believe from an aggressor. Foreign or Domestic, at least thats why I'm proud of the flag.

>>684380669
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

faggot

>>684380669
indeed it is. i always trust fox for all my news. nothing but fox. i live in my fox news bubble. its very objective. fair and balanced, just like they say. i love fox news.

>>684380864
>>684380897
>>>/global/rules/2

>>684378801
You need to educate yourself on what the Nazi party was. >>>/pol/

>>684380864
>implying all news aren't just shoving their opinion down your throat
At least fox doesn't pretend they are objective
The present the media from a right wing perspective and you know what you are getting

>>684380561
>y-you just get all your infermation from fox news!
Globalist neocon garbage that would break my sound system from the fucking (((echoes))) if I had it on for too long.

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Still killed more than both combined and wasn’t racist.

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>>684381078
>right wing
Cuckservatives are hardly right wing dude

>>684380766
It was the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia to be exact. The actual confederate flag was originally the Stars and Bars, and was changed twice. Also, blacks may have carried the flag but there were never any black soldiers.

its the rebel flag and its the battle flag of the south
and i am proud of that flag

>>684380700
>you will never live in a world where the Axis won
Just end my life fam

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>>684381456

flags by themselves are "moral" at all, they are just symbols

the REASONS that people fly the flags are what are moral, and the reasons that people fly flags (or associate with any kind of symbol in general) are many

so its entirely possible to fly the confederate flag in a moral way (or the nazi flag for that matter) because it depends completely on the INTENTIONS of the action

>>684380766
Freeing the slaves was a major, MAJOR part of why the North was able to mobilize such large numbers of men. That and the draft LOL. Saying slavery wasn't a driving factor on the southern side is one thing, but it was a HUGE (YUGE) factor for the North.

The word swastika comes from the Sanskrit svastika, which means “good fortune” or “well-being." The motif (a hooked cross) appears to have first been used in Neolithic Eurasia, perhaps representing the movement of the sun through the sky. To this day it is a sacred symbol in Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, and Odinism.

>>684380561
I watch Fox News because it's actually entertaining to watch.

>>684381375
>It was the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia to be exact. The actual confederate flag was originally the Stars and Bars, and was changed twice.

Doesn't matter what it WAS, what it IS NOW is just a symbol of nigger hate carried by buck toothed hillbillies who fuck their brothers up the ass.

>>684380766
Fucking idiot the war was entirely about slavery Lincoln was just too much of a pussy to admit it. Look at literally ANY of the secession documents. Every fucking one cites slavery as a cause. Also why would the CSA ever allow a nigger to carry their flag unless he was a slave and being forced to (protip: never would happen cause carrying the flag is a symbol of honor). You're a fucking Lost Causer and a revisionist of history. You're no better than a kike.

its racist when you make it racist

>>684380766
Wrong wrong wrong.
Go re-read their articles from when they formed. It was because slavery was not going to be allowed to flourish. If you're really that ignorant I got nothing to help you except to tell you to read the actual documents that still exist.

1. there were two flags btw, one was square and the other was the traditional long one. The square one was the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia.
2. not true at all. good try though. read the actual history behind John Brown. He was not crazy. The south WAS scared of an uprising because the slaves WERE treated like shit.
3. It is symbology for those that were for slavery and oppression of other humans.
1. The swastika was good before the Nazis. Not so much now.
2. you can count, nice! Did you know that not everyone agreed which is why there were pockets of loyal anti-slavery folks in most of the southern states?
3. Lovely. Religion has made it a point to divide and sew hatred and pain and death. Look up when the last execution for the Spanish Inquisition was (that is the church ordering someone to be put to death). Hint: 19th century, same as the civil war.

Go read primary sources next time pal.

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>>684378801
get back on Reddit where you belong

>>684378801
because you are retarded.

>>684381420
It was only ever the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia, the South's best army but only one army. The South's actual flag was the Stars and Bars

>>684381375
Correct here. Judah P Benjamin had mentioned this as something that should have been done, but was shot down for that. Judah was a jew btw. Odd huh.

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>>684381617
That guy is a fucking retard, probably a Lost Causer or brainwashed by them

>>684381868
It's not a symbol of nigger hate, the niggers just chimped out over it because "it's the current year!"

>>684380766
1. It may not have been the official flag of the Confederacy, but it was used by an army who was on the side of keeping slaves.

2. It wasn't minor. Read the official Declaration of Causes of Seceding States. Slavery is mentioned time and time again as the reason.

3. Nothing has any meaning in itself. Words are just noise coming from your mouth. Society has to come to some agreement on what shit means at some point. To say the flag, used by an army fighting for the side that wanted to keep slaves, shouldn't be associated with racism is absurd.

Stop reading The Blaze or Infowars, and do your own research.

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>>684378801
The fuck you think you are nigger.

>>684382789
Brava buddy, brava

waiting for someone to mention the Declaration of Seceding States

>>684378801
No matter what there will be people who try to go against the mainstream. And although it may be frowned upon our government allows people to adorn and align themselves with symbols contrary to them.

That being said I would also like to say two more things. I personally would never boast publicly the confederate flag and every flag has some sort of blood on it.

That flag you show is the battle flag of the confederacy. The reason I most hear for people having this flag is that they are proud of their heritage. They have family who fought and maybe also died for a cause they truly believed in. The thing about flags is that they are symbols that have different meaning to different groups and individuals. Wear an I love Isreal shirt and a Jewish man will smile at you but at the same time you might get some frowns from some Palestinians.

>>684382298
It's not all that surprising if you think about it. Jews destroy every society they live in. The Confederacy was already well on its way out but how would it have looked if they started having niggers in their army? If they somehow pulled a victory out of their ass the nigs definitely would not go back into slavery quietly. In addition, letting niggers into the army would basically be saying that niggers were equal to whites, something that the South still doesn't say today.

However, Jefferson Davis actually did sign a bill into law in March 1865 to let niggers in. The war was over before any nigger became an actual southern soldier, though.

>>684378801
A lot of southerners, and mind you among them there are blacks, wave the confederate battle flag because the North completely screwed the South over during the war. Know why the majority of the South has shit infrastructure and no old colonial-style houses or buildings? Because the North did that. Know why so many Southerners were impoverished and why there was constant in-fighting? Because the North destroyed and pillaged Southern property and forms of wealth. The South got fucked. Hard. In those days it was the States who controlled a lot of internal policies, not the federal government, and when they saw production and economic stability cropping up in the South they decided that the best way to continue exploiting poor southerners was to destroy their means of production even further. Now the Rustbelt is suffering, and good riddance. I'm not arguing for Southern independence, that's one of the most idiotic things you could think of, but Northerners shouldn't feel so high-and-mighty about what they did. They destroyed peoples lives behind a veil of helping slaves, and they helped created the increased racial tension. It's a fucking travesty.

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>>684381892
The secession was about maintaining slavery.
The civil war was about maintaining the union.
Ending slavery was only a tactic.

>>684381375
Are you dense? There were even black highly ranked officers!
http://www.history.com/topics/american-civil-war/black-civil-war-soldiers

>>684381617
>>684381892
Sources, boys, sources.

>>684382056
1. I didn't know about the second flag, actually
2. read link plox
3. Nope, wrong. As stated earlier, it was never an official flag until a few decades ago.
1. It's not the same swastika the hindu's use. And they still use it. Your argument is invalid.
2. Of course I can. Could you use different words? I didn't fully understand that one.
3. People will always take religion to extreme measures. Look at Islamic terrorism today. Does that mean nobody should be muslim? Or even proud to be muslim?

>>684381868
Well I here by claim nigger to mean hello

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>>684380669
Saying Fox News is the most objective news network on tv in the U.S. is just like saying that the tiger shit at the zoo smells the best.

Sure, you might be right, but that doesn't mean anything because it's still shit.

>>684381868
there are many darkies I know who are proud of the rebel flag, the reason for the session wasn't the slaves, but the principal that they represented. The confederacy felt that the confiscation of the slaves was a violation of state's rights to choose whether to have them or not. They wanted to secede in part due to slaves and in part due to their fear of growing federal power.

>>684383451
Seconded!

>>684383535
Congratulations! You have reading comprehension.
Or maybe you don't because you felt the need to point out what I said in my post.

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>>684381617
Yeah yeah, textbooks and teachers will tell you that. It was more about emerging Southern industries threatening the bank-rollers of the North. The Confederacy wasn't perfect by any means but the Union saw that it would eventually find itself sustainable and growing. Slavery was a guise by Abraham Lincoln, a damn smart one, but it was never the main issue. At least not to the majority of politicians and wealthy northerners.

>>684383588
well nigger to you

>>684383784
How is it bait?

>>684383535
ya retard that is what he just said

>>684379955
Also from WNC. This.

>>684383421
The 54th Massachusetts was part of the Union, which allowed black soldiers. I was talking about the Confederacy, which did not. Also the first guy mentioned how mobilizing freed slaves helped the North win the war (Ya know like the 54th Mass that you fucking mentioned, even though they lost their biggest battle) and the second guy literally mentions the secession documents, which all literally say that they were seceding about slavery.

>>684383913
Nigger my good friend!

>>684383336
>"Wahhhhh the North ruined the South"
>during a war
>freeing the slaves
>"Waaaaah they wanted to take advantage of us economically"
>coming from slave holders

the irony is thick here

>>684384010
my favorite thing is when I saw an artical complaining about there never being a black person in the The Andy Griffith Show, THERE WERE NO BLACK PEOPLE IN WESTERN NC AND THERE STILL ARE NONE

>>684384117
You know Lincoln thought slaves were subhuman, right? The Civil War was an economic war. You can't have literally around half your country secede and expect to keep things functioning well. Try thinking about WHY things happen.

>>684384117
there were slaves in the north too ya retard

>>684378801
The Confederate battle flag represents rebellion, prowess, and the rebel spirit of America, it deserves as much respect as does the Stars and Stripes.

>>684384117
they freed the slaves but they wrecked the southern states, the freed slaves were left with nothing.

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>>684384396
Great argument. You totally don't look like a retard who thinks CNN and MSNBC are great sources of information or anything.

>>684383336
Well what's the North supposed to do, just leave all those resources for the South to have? It's a fucking war. Go back to Canada, Trudeau

>>684384117
you do understand that sharecropping was implemented by north after the war, fucking many blacks and whites in the process.
the only thing that sharecropping successfully did was trap former slaves and poor whites in a circle of debt

>>684380669
This guy ^^

>>684384339
The Emancipation Proclamation only freed the slaves in the South.

>>684384315
Lincoln freed the slaves because Canada was about to sign a treaty with the Confederacy, and he needed to demonize them to prevent it.

>>684384010
This tbh. My family was one of the most wealthy and influential families in Caswell, Alamance, and Guilford County before the Civil War. When the war came most of the men died, the estate house was burned to the ground, and the farms pillaged and destroyed.

I could be old money right now. Instead, I'm a second-generation college student who has to deal with yuppies from Connecticut and Massachusetts invading damn near every college in the state. Fuck the Union.

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>>684384512
You're a troll. I'm not going to argue with you, just point and laugh.

>>684380669
this, it's only shit on because it's right wing. shit like CNN never gets any flak despite them being far more biased

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>>684383552
Retard alert. The federal government was not confiscating slaves at that time, and only started confiscating them during the war once they realized that the south was using the niggers as part of their war machine (digging trenches, carrying shit, etc)

>>684384828
someone's feelings are hurt

>>684383833
Have you ever read the Secession Documents?

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>>684384828

Actually the only one trolling here is the person who refuses to defend themselves. By saying my post is a troll, you are implying it's wrong. If my post is wrong, that implies you think Fox is worse than networks like CNN and MSNBC. You know you can't back that argument up though, because you're probably thinking "All news is bad" as a retort to that, not that you could back that up either, because you're avoiding and argument you know you don't have enough information to even participate in. Why would you do that?

>>684384856
It's Neo-con. That's not a good thing.

>>684384554
If the North just wanted to reunite the country and free slaves like they preach they did, then they wouldn't have fucked over the majority of people living in the Southern states. Yeah they were in "rebellion" (depending on your point of view, other countries acknowledged their sovereignty) but you don't go fucking up every little thing the South has. Northerners are now moving to the South in droves because it's finally catching up and they've already ruined their parts of the country.

>>684384908
that not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the fact that the north implemented share cropping. which encircled the children of former slaves and poor whites in debt for generations. the only thing the north did was change the master

>>684384347
No, it doesn't. The Army of Northern Virginia was anally raped by Ulysses S. Grant on multiple occasions. That same army also allowed Richmond to fall. The flag is nice and all but the Stars and Stripes have never fallen

>>684378801

Because the flag represents the South. Just like the swastika initially represented good fortune Up to until some cunt ruined it with their shit. Doesn't mean the initial meaning is false or loses it's value in history.

I get that you want to be offended and shit, but you're going to need a different argument.

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>>684384512
>implying that any of them are

>>684385360
>implying sharecropping = chattel slavery

>>684378801
Because the nazis were cool

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>>684384339
>When the facts don't agree with your liberal brainwashing.

>>684385321
And for the record you should take a look at some of the things Sherman destroyed in the few weeks before the war was over. At that point it was pretty clear who would win; the Union had demolished Georgia. But with less than two weeks left to go in the war Sherman demanded his men to go and burn most of Tuscaloosa, then the capital of Alabama, and the university there. It was pointless and terrible.

>>684385321
Grant and Sherman recognized that if they didn't break the South the war would go on another 3-4 years. Many more men would have died and the South would have been destroyed anyways. Grant and Sherman and by extension Lincoln saved the lives of thousands of more southerners by going for the kill.

>>684385659
they beat and abused them, and the master didn't have to care because they weren't even an investment anymore, anyone could till the land and it was just a contract away

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>>684385638
Let's break down my post. >>684380669
>Fox News is probably the most objective major News network on American TV.
There's the statement you had a problem with.
>That's not saying much though.
There's the part you didn't even read, despite my post literally being two sentences long. In fact, even without this third sentence my previous post was still shorter by a few words.
Pay attention

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>>684379269
This.

I don't understand why white people can't stand up for ourselves anymore. Even niggers are starting to care more about themselves than we are.

Jews are playing everyone against each other and are making the profits

>>684385360
You literally mentioned nothing about sharecropping in the post I replied to. I will concede that Reconstruction was a disaster though, it was horribly mismanaged by the SJWs of the time

>>684386057
ahhh but those are the principles of free market capitalism. Dont like your working conditions? Find a different employer or line of work. If youre a land owner and everyone leaves, you better change your act. Slavery removes this balance altogether

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>>684386261
I'm a different dude, the person calling u a troll was a different guy

>>684386586
That doesn't change anything in my post.

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>>684386663
>>684386521
>>684386345
LOL stupid fucking rednecks

>>684386345
Compare this map to population density maps for blacks and latinos in the states.

>>684380766
>>684378801
GET FUCKING TOLD

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>>684386055
Better the Union kill the population and annex the states themselves than subject the people to the South of rebuilding from the ashes. And for all the good things the North proclaims, they're still a big cause of the racial issues in the South. they demanded southerners act fairly, but spent far too little time policing the changes. They left a bitter and impoverished region to duke it out among themselves. It was terrible. You could argue Southern leaders should have prevented this, but what were they going to do when massive populations went underfed and uneducated, with only one type of person to blame because they were now part of the "Union"? The North could have prevented the racial disparity. Instead, they caused it. They did nothing.

itt: rust belt faggots trying to make themselves feel better

>>684385785
Well he's technically right, there were slaves in the North. Before the war, soldiers from the South were allowed to take slaves with them to various assignments/forts/etc, so there were slaves in the North. Also, after the Dred Scott case slaves were allowed everywhere. During the war, the Border States still had slaves. You're correct in saying that the Emancipation Proclamation only freed southern slaves.

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>>684386747
california has a far greater minority population than alabama or Tennessee
get mad

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get fucked northern trash

>>684383535
My name is frank. Didn't read post but excellent pic

>>684381617
Slavery was a minor part of the causes for the Civil War. It was a clash of the differing economies of the North and the South. The North desired a free market and introduced Tariffs on imported and exported goods to attract European migration. The South wanted to expand their slave based economy into the new states and this threatened the North. The increased tariffs also severely threatened the Southern economy, shown in 1832 when South Carolina tried to secede but Jackson prevented it. Lincoln himself, while opposing slavery, didn't give a fuck about black people. He wanted to deport them off to Africa.

I'm sick of people saying that the Civil War was about slavery. It fucking wasn't. It was about the North introducing tariffs that limited the South and also shitting all over states rights. There wasn't a strong abolitionist movement in the North until halfway through the Civil War.

Jesus fucking Christ do some research before you open your retarded 12 year old mouth, you cunt.

>>684379859
The north didn't exactly dominate the war. Have you actually studied the topic?

>>684386926
Well for one, the North never needed to annex any states as the states never officially were sovereign according to the United States of America in the first place.

I do concede that Reconstruction was a disaster. It was poorly mismanaged by the SJWs of the day.

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>>684387138
To be completely fair half the civilian deaths in those stats are bullshit and they deserved them anyways.

>>684386440
>keeping track of like 3 convos on this 1 thred is hard
the confederacy started the war out of fear like stated, not due to the taking of the slaves, but the changing political spectrum at the time. new states weren't required to enter in pairs of slave/nonslave, leading to the balance of power shifting away from them. this is the cause of the fear that led to the session

>>684387138
>northern trash
thats not even a term you redneck trailer dweller
also look at the statistics and consider who is the real trash
>>684386801
>>684386663
>>684386521
>>684386345
>>684386984

>>684380669
Objective? I think you meant "clearly biased, but they just say they're objective so it must be true."
>>684384908
CNN doesn't get flak because they're not half as biased as FoxNews. They're not the reputable news source they used to be, but they're nowhere near the joke that is Fox.

>>684387114
California doesn't contradict the observation. Due to industry and geography, California's wealth is offset positively.

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>>684386521
>>684386663
>>684386801
>>684386984
You left out the map of the highest Black populations in the US. Sorry to break it to everyone but these facts are due to yours truly.

>>684386517
others made these agreements for them on their behalf. the GOVERNMENT REPRESENTATIVES sent by the north handled the agreements between the workers and employers and they still fucked up. do your homework before coming on an image board and talking shit to strangers

>>684378801
It's the internet, fucking look it up yourself faggot.

That is, if your eyes aren't too glazed over with nigger jizz.

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>>684386662
ur a nigger then

>>684387514
>Objective? I think you meant "clearly biased, but they just say they're objective so it must be true."
Did I say they were objective? Maybe you should read my post again. Do it carefully too.

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>>684386521
I wonder what ties most of these maps together.

>>684381375
There were entire platoons of black soldiers...

>>684387699
Sharecropping wasnt cumpolsory faggot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharecropping

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>>684387986
Finally someone posts it.

>>684387986
Savage

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>>684378801

They are either confused about the usage and creation of that flag, or they are racists and hide behind false excuses in public, while knowing in private that they proudly display an icon of racism.

/THREAD

>>684387986
>yfw texas and the sun belt is low black population but is recurring those maps.
The problem isnt blacks or whites. Its southern culture

>>684384059
it was extremely common for confederate slave owners to bring their slaves with them to war. there's plenty of documentation of this. look it up faggot.

>>684387355
The Confederacy was well on it's way to being officially recognized as a sovereign state when the Union attacked. I'll acknowledge the fact that most States officially recognized it as a Belligerent Power, but that was more to appease the industrial and political parties of the Union than anything else. The Confederacy, in everything but name, was a sovereign state to many countries.

>>684388350
beaners

>>684380824
>being on /b/
>having a well formulated thought and reply
Pick One.

>>684388099
it wasn't but who else was going to hire someone with no education in an area torn by a war that literally just happened. There only hope for employment of any kind was given by the government. ANY chance of finding a job in any other field was killed by the north using blacks as a moral spearhead in the war that just screwed the entire region sideways

>>684380766
>the entire-slavery thing was a MINOR point

Oh my god, I thought people with autism were supposed to be somewhat intelligent. Have you ever taken a basic American history class above high school? People who say it was about "states' rights" are actually retarded. The "states' rights" they were fighting for was to enslave people. Because the federal government didn't want their states ENSLAVING PEOPLE it led to the attempted secession of many states. It was directly related to slavery.

ITT: The South still blames all its problems on blacks and Northerners

when are we supposed to see that proud self-reliant spirit again?

>>684388426
blacks had non-combat roles

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>>684388550
>yfw when california has a higher density of hispanics and is better off than any of these states on any of these issues
again, the problem is the south
>butthurt southern trash detected

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>>684388350
Or it could be something else.

>>684388350
It's the fact that most of those states didn't have the industrial power until recently. How do you think better legislation to increase worker's comp and other such things arose? In the south it was just, for the most part, farming, with the occasional textile and tobacco mill. The North had a head-start on economic stability so they had time to worry about social policies, while the south had to worry about economics and then the racial/societal issues that occurred. It's unreasonable to assume the south would be that much greater had they not been kicked back around 40-50 years in development, but it would be a much more progressive place in all probability.

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>>684388911
niggers still point their fat sausage finger at slavery

>>684388765
i dont know man, it sounds like youre trying to retroactively defend slavery or claim that it was better than what followed but we can just look at this intuitively
would you rather be a slave or a sharecropper?

>>684388441
Haha, that's not even fucking true.

Not a single European nation recognized them.

>>684389003
Due to industry and geography, California's wealth is offset positively. A lot of wealthy people live there to contort the numbers.

>>684378801
not much else to be proud of in the south

>>684389495
England was going to have Canada sign a treaty with them.

>>684389079
or not
http://politicalblindspot.com/the-food-stamp-capital-of-the-u-s-is-white-and-republican/

>>684389495
Their ships were given the same rights in foreign ports as any other sovereign nation. But the Union would've severely reduced trading with any nation that formally recognized the Confederacy. It wasn't a matter of foreign nations despising the confederacy or doubting their sovereignty, it was the decision to not fuck up trade agreements with the industrialized Union.

Wars and political movements are economic. You're incredibly dense if you believe it had anything to do with other countries despising the South or some shit like that.

>>684388795
so that's why when Lincoln did what he "had" to do with the emancipation proclamation he only freed the slaves in the southern states and not the ones in the "middle states" also known as the border states who were down south but had still sided with the north.

r u this dense

When South Carolina succeeded, the majority of the population agreed it was because of states rights issues. It was until the Confederacy started tacking on states like Alabama and Mississippi that the Confederacy became more and more about just slavery.

There is a reason why South Carolina was the first to succeed, but also the first to surrender. The Confederacy became something they never intended it to become.

Since I'm in Georgia, it's part of my history and was, up until recently, the state flag.

Then people got butthurt while I was in Highschool, probably back in 2003, and changed it. Newest version of the flag sucks, one before that was even worse.

>>684389484
personally a slave, there is more stopping me from being killed, I.E. the fact that the master will loose money if I die. opposed to the fact that as a share cropper I am bound by the chains of debt, meaning that I am farming for free as long as the master wants me around. After it is apparent that I cannot pay my debts I can be promptly arrested. meaning that I am essentially a slave that the state can rent out. Putting even less incentive to keep me alive.

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>>684389603
>mfw conservitards decry geographic determinism when it doesnt benefit their agenda (black communities and negative feedback loops)
>mfw conservitards claim geographic determinism when it benefits their agenda (why the south is a shithole)

Many Americans hate niggers and are racist. I'm a racist after decades of dealing with a wide variety of shitskins. I have social skills so they don't know I despise them, but nigs are so toxic they do more damage to themselves than the Klan ever could.

Check tommysotomayor on Youtube for one nigs hopeless struggle to raise monkey consciousness.

I have no problem with Nazis either. They killed a delightful number of Communists and saved Western Europe by bleeding out the Soviet Union even though they lost the war. NATO recovered from the war quickly and the rest is history.

>>684390122
Because it was a military action, and could only be applied to the belligerent states who were in direct conflict with the north. How is this hard? Do you really refuse to open a textbook?

>>684389953
Your point being? Don't you find it troubling that so many black areas are unhealthy, poor, and have no upward economic mobility?
Do you even care about blacks past using them proof of how tolerant you are?

>>684379476
>darkest timeline
>timeline where niggers start to take over
>kek

>>684390542
>Do you really refuse to open a textbook?

Implying most text books won't see it as a foot note or not include it at all unless you are in a college course.

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I wonder what else might tie these maps together

>>684390131
South Carolina was also a shell of it's former self. It's pretty funny to think it was a much stronger center of economic wealth compared to North Carolina, but it had been slipping by that point. South Carolina was objectively one of the weakest states in the confederacy, with poor resources and industry. It benefited from an important port city in Charleston but that's about it.

>>684389953
So you believe that anecdotal information that contradict a trend somehow contradict the trend as a whole?

>>684390436
if you need proof
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convict_lease

>>684390667
Okay so let me rephrase: How is it this hard to do some research before spewing this drivel? Better?

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>>684390552
That southern culture is literal cancer
Im not even sure why you mentioned blacks, i think black culture can do with modification but thats simply tangential

>>684390797
>calling statistics anecdotal
did you even read the article?

>>684390487
Wow, someone gets butthurt when holes get poked in their bullshit narrative.

>>684390668
Hahahaha PROOF THE SOUTH IS SHITTY BECAUSE OF ITSELF

>>684390668
I mean, having to rely more on yourself and less on the state because of a poor economy would tend to make people more conservative, don't you think? I don't necessarily think that there being more conservatives is the cause for all of those issues, because many industrialists tend to be conservative. I think it's the fact that the economy was never developed enough for liberal policies to form by themselves in the southern states.

>>684391062
Didn't you look at the maps posted? Do you think these southern blacks are rednecks or something? The areas that are heavily black tend to be unhealthy, unhappy, poor and lack upward economic mobility. There's plenty of overlap in the south in general, but using a map showing a state like Louisana being dreadful as proof of "southern culture" being shit is silly. There are very real problems down there, and it's not as simple as you seem to think it is. This isn't a white or black issue, it also isn't a southern culture issue. It is a distinctly southern issue however.

>>684391289
no i get butthurt because conservitards are fucking hypocrites
also http://politicalblindspot.com/the-food-stamp-capital-of-the-u-s-is-white-and-republican/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/jul/29/facebook-posts/are-97-nations-100-poorest-counties-red-states/
You were literally just shifting the blame in identifying californias success to geography because its not the only state that does well in the aforementioned categories