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>>684044392
Always Gary Johnson

>>684044963
OP here. Mah nigga. Gary Johnson was the man. Like a less radical Ron Paul. Too bad no one will ever take a libertarian seriously.

>>684045234
Ya honestly love hearing cunts fall into this bullshit two party system and hate both candidates, but in the end support the 'lesser of two evils'

i dont think its a matter of him being a libertarian, i think its a matter of party loyalty fucktards falling into the same trap year after year

>>684044963
>>684045234
Gary Johnson is a retard, wants to end public education and social security

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>>684044392
>(you)

>>684046293
>ending social security
how is this a bad thing? boomers can go fuck themselves

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>>684044392
Sanders, Stein 2016

>>684046293
actually not true, he knows SS is valuable and is for reforming it, not ending it

Like it matters who sits in the big chair. USA is run by big business through corruption, or lobbyism as you like to call it.

>>684046293
>implying social security will be able to exist in 20 years

Also

http://www.ontheissues.org/Gary_Johnson.htm

False. He wants to reform public education by eliminating the Department of Education who takes 16¢ for every 11¢ they give.

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>>684046849
>believing in the creation science of economics

>>684046994
Not with Trump, he accepted no deals and his campaign is all self-funded.

>>684046994
faggots like you are the reason this country stays shitty

>>684046491
Who are you voting for anon. I'll be glad to tell you why you're a fucking retard.

>>684047215
He wants to eliminate public education and give people money to spend on schools that they wont be able to afford

>>684047283
"self funded" kek he is actually smart on this, he is not self funded

all of his campaign donations to himself are loans, which he is paying all back with donations from the people

dude isnt paying a single time out of pocket

>>684047283
So, you think he will pay senators to vote in his favour on envry legislation througout his presidency? Haha

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>>684047344
Im glad to inform you that im nott an amerifat, so dont worry.

>>684044392
Okay, but your comparison kinda makes Sanders sound like best option. Like, he at least has actual political beliefs (something ironically rare in a politician)

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>>684048131

What about Kasich?

>>684047958
yea, cause 40 hours of 7.25 without taxes would totally be middle class...
you logic is impenetrable

You guys realize you can write in Bernie (if that is who you decide to vote for) or Kasich or whomever doesn't get the primary nominee on the ballot and that counts.

>>684047215
Education is not a business, you fucking retard!
Benefits from education is EDUCATED PEOPLE, not money! For fucks sake!

Jesus christ, thinking like this is easiest way to have completely uneducated braindead populace who are too stupid to work at McDonalds, because making coffee requires you to at least know at what temperature water boils!

Fucking hell, libertarians would gladly bring about Idiocracy in name of free market. I hate this planet sometimes.

>>684046688
>government stops paying people back the money that they paid over the years they worked
>good idea

pick one

seriously do you understand what social security is??? perhaps you are thinking of welfare or something more along those lines.

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>>684048586
Spotted the room-temperature-IQ high school dropout.

>>684044963
I voted for Gary twice back in the 90s and early 21st. I also voted for Bednarek once. Yes I'm old why do you ask?

>>684048656
Implying that it means anything and you're not wasting your vote between the two main contenders

>>684048592
At least he has policies. Like, what exactly Trump is planning, aside from The Wall?

>>684047660
Go to public high school. It's basically free. Then eliminate student loans so universities will have to lower tuition or else they won't have as many students. Go to cheap community college or save up some money and collect scholarships and grants. I know for a fact my university didn't need a brand new football stadium. We fucking suck at football.

>>684044392
I think Ted Cruz is basically insane, but he probably would've made the best president out of the last handful of candidates.

>>684048656
Write-in in presidential elections is unfeasible.

You'd need an enormous grassroots movement across the entire country to be able to even get people to KNOW they can write-in.

70% of people who will go vote will pick from what's on the ballot.

>>684048715
so•cial se•cu•ri•ty n
A type of Ponzi scheme.

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>>684049011
>hurr at least he has retarded ideas!

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>>684048989
>waste of a vote
Still better than voting for either Trump or Clinton

>>684049045
... Public high school. Is. Public education. You know, the kind that would be eliminated.

Are you retarded?

>>684047516
better a corrupt politician than a corrupt sub par business man with no experience in politics or anything involved with the job he is campaigning for.

>>684044392
Lol trump be like "We have alot in cummin. Yo Husbin"

>>684048131
>implying our presidents haven't been criminals and five year olds in the past without resorting to socialism

>>684049320
So... did this guy need that sign? If this guy was some bizarre alien that could only eat signs, and was starving, sure, why not.

>>684049201
>self fulfilling profecy

>>684049352
Neh. Just make better deals, works evry time....

>>684049247
call it what you want. You stop paying people what they paid into for years and the shit will hit the fan

>>684048715
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8QEYj4Yjv4

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>>684049499
>being this deliberately obtuse

>>684048592
That's all any candidate does, just for different groups.

>>684049525
No, it's not.
Most people don't care about elections. That's the scary truth, and probably biggest problem with modern democracies worldwide.

Maybe, to some degree people identify as "democrat" or "republican" - but then again, this isn't very deep, and they will just go up, and vote for whoever democrat is gonna be on the ballot. If it's gonna be Hillary, those votes will go to Hillary.

That creates a problem - let's say 60% of the country wants a democrat president. 30% will pick Hillary, and 30% will write in Bernie. Remainder - 40% - will pick Trump. Trump wins, even though majority of the people didn't want him.

That shit already happened in UK not too long ago.

>>684049868
Poof, Hilary. Also that chick was in a video about liberals who shoot guns for the first time, she practically had an orgasm shooting a shotgun.

>>684050100
Except that most of the other candidates have proposed actual solutions to problems instead of fairy tale economics like Bernie.

>>684048989
A vote for one's conscience is never a wasted vote.

>>684048816
spotted the arrogant millennial with zero knowledge about economics... Let me break it down - people who work 40 hours for $7.25 are not inexperienced teenagers, they are adults. Making $7.25 an hour means you NEED welfare, food stamps, etc. And, welfare is paid by taxpayers - SO... jobs that pay $7.25 are essentially being subsidized by tax payers. How does it feel to pay for Walmart's and MacDonald's bottom line with your taxes? sooo advanced

>>684049787
Except they didn't.

The reason it's a Ponzi scheme is because the current beneficiaries aren't just getting what they put into it, they're also getting what the next generation put into it, and the next. That's why there's nothing left. The Boomers have stolen the future of their children and grandchildren.

>>684050332
Just shows how ignorant and retarded libfucks are even as they shout others down and pretend like they're so fucking smart.

>>684048701
>hurr durr work at McDonald's
>hurr durr the department of education doesn't take my money and they are the ones educating people, not the schools
>hurr durr I can't afford a high school diploma. Please help me.
>how do I argue?

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>>684048176
1/10 for trying

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>>684046866
Yes the SS is valuable......

>>684044392
We have a slut in common.

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>>684050487
>spotted the arrogant retard who jerked off and smoked pot in school and then became a NEET instead of getting a fucking job

>>684050487
>thinking people who earn minimum wage get scheduled to work more than 39.5 hrs a week.

>>684049339
>implying

Public high schools are affiliated with the department of education but they could run without it or at least without it sucking money out of people.

>let's make everything a part of the government

Nope

>>684050487
wait wait wait...

So you argue that welfare, food stamps etc. come from the taxpayer's pocket... That's true. You're absolutely right.

But then you claim that FORCING companies to pay a higher minimum wage DOESN'T come from the pockets of those same people who pay taxes?!

HOW FUCKING RETARDED ARE YOU?!

>>684050176
Not that I care for the cause of these hippies, but that argument is flawed because it says "evil corporations" and you just listed corporations without proving they are evil.

>>684050006
That's too simple, prices over/under the equalibrium can be good or bad depending on whether Said person is a buyer or seller in the market for a specific product

>>684051098
pay the workers more... we pay the same, but just not in taxes

>>684050487
People who work 40 h ours for $7.25 and are adults are fucking losers. Why should I have to subsidize their shitty life decisions?

My parents are divorced, one's an alcoholic, they both make < 30k/yr. I'm about to get a doctorate and will be making basically a guaranteed > 100k/yr. Explain to me why 30%, 40% etc. of my income should go to retards who didn't want to better themselves and figured a job at McDonald's was a good way to support their family.

>>684050877
i get paid $25 and hour, bub... im just not an idiot like you

>>684047235
i don't get the funny picture

>>684051155
You completely missed the point.

The hippies are arguing against all corporations and calling them all evil...

Meanwhile absolutely everything in that pic is provided by corporations and willingly paid for by the hippies in voluntary transactions called "sales"...

Thus proving the hypocrisy of the hippies position.

The pic is not arguing that corporations are evil. The pic is taking the hippie argument that "corporations are evil" and demonstrating their hypocrisy.

>>684046849
I think calling Cruz a theocratic leader is a massive overstatement

>>684051546
Yeah, I love when people think that a drug defines a person's intellegence. Steve jobs smoked plenty of pot and took lsd. If your smart before you do drugs you will still be smart after you do drugs. Just like if someone is an idiot and smokes pot, at the end of the day they were an idiot before they took up smoking pot

>>684051098
You see the problem isnt the welfare programs for the poor, we give far more to corporations who record record paying profits year after year.....most of walmarts employees are on food stamps and live in HUD housing while walmart brings in billions in profit every year....know where your anger should be placed

Btw i support trump on most issues

>>684051414
i know right? we'll relocate them all in one spot, and get trains to ship them off to work camps so they wont be so lazy. y'know, just get rid of them. good idea! why hasn't anyone else thought of this?

>>684050006
That is not what socialism is, lmfao.

First of all, socialism is not necessarily realize by welfare. This chart ignores moden ideas like guaranteed income, where every citizen would get a guaranteed monthly income, skipping the problem. It would also remove problems of minimal wage, disability payments and free internships, since you would be able to more or less survive without a job. Inb4 parasites - homeless people in capitalism currently cost governments a shitton, because of having to police them, house them in jails or in hospitals, even ingoring charity money that is enough to keep them alive, but not enough to let them contribute to society in any way.

Letting them have a life and potentially contribute to economy sounds like a better solution.


And your capitalism chart ignores clear problem - push to lower the prices suggest cutting every possible expense, including worker's wages. This results in consumers getting less and less money to buy things with, which results in firms concentrating on producing goods cheaply in "cheap countries" and selling them in "rich countries", single handedly creating the "Third World countries".

Second, it also ignores that laws of supply and demand don't apply to things you need to live - people ALWAYS need food, medicine, housing, to some degree education, and won't ignore those things regardless of cost. This allows to drive up price of those things without limit - resulting e.g. in modern college costs in US going into multiple thousands of dollars.

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>>684051371
So...

Argument one:
1. force companies to pay their employees more
2. which destroys their profit margin
3. ????
4. the companies surely won't increase the cost of their products to compensate!

You're stupid.


Argument two:
The corporations ARE made up of and owned by citizens. If you force those corporations (especially mom-and-pop shops and sole proprietorships) to pay a higher minimum wage then WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE IF THAT AMOUNT IS PAYED IN TAXES OR JUST PAID TO THE WORKERS? YOU'RE STILL TAKING THE MONEY FROM SOME AND FORCING THEM TO GIVE IT TO OTHERS.

You're stupid.

And greedy.

And an asshole.

>>684050487
What about me who is the owner of a small construction business. If I start paying someone who is only just a helper $15 an hour that will mean that the guys who are doing the harder work like carpentry will only be making a few bucks more than their helper. Nobody will want to do a shit ton more work for only a couple bucks more than the guy who just helps them so I'll have to pay them more which means I'll have to charge the company that hires us more money. That means that company will have to charge whoever wants the job done and we already have enough problems with those people not having enough funding for the projects. That will mean less jobs coming up for that company to bid less jobs for us to work then slowly we might have to let people go because we don't have enough work to keep them.

>>684051901
why is all about drugs? i dont deal or do drugs. what are you into that you are so quick to accuse?

>>684051618
I'm a hippy and I believe in capatilasm. I just think we should all do more in our own lives to help the environment and give be a productive member of our communites. Not all companies are evil, but there will always be greedy ones that try to cut corners

>>684052175
you can pay more for stuff to compensate workers or pay more in taxes for entitlements... I feel workers need more and corporations need less

>>684051901
>if your smart

alanismorrisette.flac

>>684050487
>being an adult
>earning minimum wage
You're doing something wrong if you have such a little amount of skill that you can't even get better then min wage as an adult. Why force companies to allocate more resources to individuals who have little to no economic value ? Doesn't really fit into the big picture.

>>684051414
people dont work 40 hours for $7.25. if an employer is going to pay minimum wage they sure as hell arent going to have people working enough hours to be entitled to benefits. minimum wage workers almost always work 39.5 hours a week, max.

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>>684052058
Slept through history class?

Read a book.

Socialist countries ALWAYS turn into shitholes.

Capitalism zones ALWAYS flourish.

Hong Kong vs China
USA vs Soviet Union.
West vs East Germany.
North vs South Korea.

Again and again socialism loses and capitalism wins.

And then you pull out a bullshit no-true-scotsman to try and cover up your ignorance. Pathetic.

>>684052175
... Yes, Wal-Mart is a mom-and-pop shop. I know so many small businesses that pay people minimum wage.

You realize that people like Walmart heirs are absurdly rich and mostly stockpile their wealth in a way where it doesn't go back into economy anymore? Taking that money away and giving it to poorer people is beneficial to economy, because poor people spend money all the time.

>>684044392
>being a criminal is as bad as having a temper
you're a fucking idiot, great bait

RON PAUL 2016

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>>684052428
The easiest, and morally correct, way to do that is to lower taxes not force some citizens to subsidize the sloth, stupidity, and poor life choices of others.

>>684047847
I don't think you understand uncle ruckus's character

>>684052711
Pro-tip dumb fuck: wal-mart pays more than minimum wage.

>>684052675
take a guess what economic ideology the countries we are "losing" to follow?

>>684049329
Bernie said he won't run as an independent if he loses the nomination, BECAUSE it will help trump. How dare you misuse Bill Bye.

>>684052181
> Nobody will want to do a shit ton more work for only a couple bucks more than the guy who just helps them
How the fuck do you know that?

What exactly stops you from telling them to fuck off and that whenever they go, everyone pays their carpenters 20 bucks per hour anyway?

>>684048176
And?

>>684052181
hey, I work for a small business - we hire workers at $12 an hour, but it costs us about $40 and hour per worker after you consider taxes, workmans comp, insurance, etc. At $40 cost, raising our paid wages to $15 is only a 8% increase to our bottom line. This is nothing to pass on to our customers. Also higher prices means we could make more profit dollars, too.

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>>684052711
1. The walmart heirs paid for this: http://crystalbridges.org/
2. walmart pays more than minimum wage
3. nobody is forcing people to buy from walmart- it's voluntary
4. the heirs of walmart are actually doing way more good for more people than you are by employing thousands of people and paying their salaries
5. you are flat out envious that someone has more money than you and you're a greedy little shit

>>684052673
I was quoting the other retard. As a guy who currently works for Walmart, I know employers want to keep people as technically "part time."

The people at the top are almost always assholes and will always try to cut costs any way they can, which harms employees plenty.

But again, tell me why I should have to subsidize others' shitty live decisions via raised taxes?

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>>684051755
Think you're just not that up to date on Ted Cruz's ideas, and what he's actually been saying he wants to implement.

Doesn't matter now, that moron will never be president.

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>>684053642
Guess why they have to keep people at part time?

>it's because obamacare forces them to pay full-timers' healthcare insurance which means they don't have enough income to pay all of their employees to work full time

>>684052675
... You argument boils down to "capitalism won the Cold War", in all of those cases.

How about modern Sweden vs Greece? How's that for Socialism vs Capitalism?

>>684053759
thats not relevant to the current political discussion. its like calling trump a fascist.
pretty much every country in europe has a socialized healthcare system and tuition-free education through college. they certainly arent all poor over there.

>>684052058
I dont believe it said welfare. Socialism does in fact give support to the poor and give them tax breaks.

This election "season" (you can't call it a season when it's the only fucking thing you hear about for over a year) has led me to wonder whether the illerminotty conspiracy fags are really all that crazy. If you think about it, it would be difficult to distinguish the recent state of the media from a conscious, orchestrated effort to put a TV-friendly hollow figurehead in the highest elected office.

>>684052188
Accuse you of what ? Please clarify. I stated that someone who smokes pot is just as likely to be successful as someone who doesn't. It's your choice not to smoke pot, and that's great. But that choice doesn't define you as a person. Why should smoking pot define a person ? I wasn't the first to bring this up, I just stated an opinion after reading an ignorent comment with an ignorant picture

>>684053605
Yeah, it's socialisms fault that Cuba has old cars. Not an embargo or anything like that...

>>684054075
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNtyV0CXfzU

>>684053969
>that moron will never be president
im by no means a cruz supporter, but you know he will run for president again. hes in his 40s.

>>684053969
Not the guy you're responding to, but:

As a very conservative guy when it comes to fiscal issues and somewhat liberal when it comes to social issues... I was slightly concerned about Ted Cruz embracing Kevin Swanson, the pastor who believed gays should be put to death.

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Alright faggots; that's enough. Back to fucking /pol/ with you.

>>684052175
also, your pic is wrong. Our currency is backed by the American economy...NO ECONOMIST EVER would suggest going back to the gold standard. Do your research, the gold standard is what made what would have been the 1930's "recession" a great depression... read a fucking book.

>>684053504
About 18 or 19 I believe is what a lot of them get paid at least here I probably shouldn't have used a couple since I didn't actually mean two it is just they way I talk. What stops me is one I need carpenters to do the work and two because I know I would be upset if I was before getting paid almost double my helper to only getting paid a few bucks more when they do twice the amount of work. Plus I still have the issue of having to make up all of my helpers $5 for every hour which is a good amount when you add up all their hours in a week.

>>684054110
>they certainly arent all poor over there.
Every country in the EU is teetering on the brink of financial collapse, yes.

Think of someone who is up to their eyeballs in debt. They may be paying their rent for now and walking around Gucci hand bags but it's paid for with borrowed money. Sooner or later that money must be repaid.

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>>684045234
>Too bad no one will ever take a libertarian seriously.
There are reasons for that.

>>684054252
this man speaks truth

>>684054252
Is there even a successful socialist country?
There are liberal countries with a few socialist politics who are successful, but thats about it.

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hurr durr trump is a fascist because I don't know what that word means but it sounds bad. He says things that I consider not totally nice, therefore he's also a racist, bigot, homophobe, xenophobe, and sexist. drerrrrrrrrrrr

>>684054390
That concerns me too.

But the correct answer is not to vote for a socialist or a corrupt politician or a jackass.

>>684053605
>they paid for one thing
Which doesn't change the fact that 90% of their money sits still and contributes nothing to US economy.
>walmart pays more than minimum wage
So? Still unlivable wages.
>nobody is forcing people to buy from walmart
Are you retarded? They're cheap, and people are poor.
>they're employing thousands of people
How is that good, exactly? Walmart still depends on being partially subsidized by government.
>you are envious
pffft, you wish. Rich people disgust me, if it was up to me walmart heirs would be hanging from a streetlamp and their money would go to something actually useful, like housing for the homeless and food for the poor.

>>684053999
Actually, I've been employed by Walmart since way before Obamacare. I've been in different positions in Walmart throughout school. They've always wanted to keep people at part time. This isn't something new because of Obamacare.

Large companies ALWAYS try to cut costs any way possible. The people at the top simply don't give two fucks about the people at the bottom - making their life miserable to make a bit more in profit is perfectly fine with them.

>>684054075
Sweden isnt socialist. Its a capitalism with a few socialist politics, and thats it.

>>684054206
...yeah, sorry man. I re-read the chain, I spoke out of order.

>>684053504
We start helpers off at $10 which we always have to charge the people who hire us a little bit more than we pay out because we have to make money.

VERMIN SUPREME

>>684054900
THEN WHY DON'T YOU FUCKING HOUSE AND FEED THE POOR YOU HYPOCRITE?!

>>684052825
>2016
>voting for the lesser of two evils

You are part of the problem that will never be fixed in a two party system. Instead of being reasonable and making your own decisions you would rather settle with a candidate who refuses to own up to the fact that he made an unprofessional mistake and can't even justify his mistake with an intelligible argument. it's exactly the same as when Bernie Sanders blames the "privileged" rich people for the things that are happening to impoverished citizens and/or minorities.

>I'll take the other guy who is misguided and unqualified to run for office

https://youtu.be/Q1THpMNpWAU

>>684054965
Someone not paying you more than your labor is worth is not them making your life miserable. That's you failing at life.

>>684044392
>buck-passing socialist
You misspelled based god

>>684048701
>because making coffee requires you to at least know at what temperature water boils!

no it doesn't

>>684055038
so is the united states...

>>684053999
Healthcare is a right, because right to live is a right. Right to healthcare is just extension of right to live.

Also, again, the very concept relies on absurd premises. Your employees getting sick are YOUR problem, paying their healthcare prevents that.

Also it's complete bullshit, everywhere all over the globe employees pay worker's health insurance and nothing is happening, why the fuck would it magically not work in USA?

>>684048701
I want to agree with you and on a basic level I do, but >>684055467 is right, that was a pretty retarded part of your post.

>>684054143
Tax breaks for the poor is just common sense. I mean, it does sounds obvious that people who make more money should pay more taxes, and vice versa.

>>684054612
Kek. Not every libertarian is a fedora wearing beta. It just so happens that you're on 4chan where the conservatives and liberals are neckbeards as well.

>>684053504
typed this out once but it didn't seem to post so if you see this twice that is why.

I know that they will be upset because I would be annoyed at the fact I went from being paid nearly double what my helper makes they start off at $10 and most Carpenters here I think are about 18 or 19 to only making a little bit more when they still do twice as much work. I probably shouldn't have used a couple when I didn't actually mean two it is just the way I speak but whatever. And I still have the issue of marking up a helpers price up $5 an hour which is a lot when you total their hours up in the week.

>>684055147
... I do. I'm an anarchist, I help in running a local squat and volunteer in a soup kitchen.

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>>684055399
There can be only one based god

https://youtu.be/DH2WjBSSH7U

>>684048715
Fuck social security. I can invest my own fucking retirement. I don't need the government to do it for me.

>>684046849
>accusing trump of fascism

>>684056087
>anarchist
Edgy m8
>squat
For smelly, able-bodied drifters? I'm sorry.
>soup kitchen
Good for you, anon :*^)

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