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>>684010364
Because atheists are cool

>>684010364
Because I find no logical reason to assume that any deity, least say the christian god, actually exists. Thats agnosticism.
Im an atheist because even if any deity should exist, I dont need religion in my life to function.

because I'm too old to have imaginary friends

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I'm an atheist because I'm not a scientologist

>>684010364
Because I am.

>>684011332
same.

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>>684012269
Me too Anon

>>684010364
1st step: meeting people outside family allowed me to see that other religions exist, and they contradict each other. As a child I thought those other people must be ignorant/wrong.
2nd step: I learned about the texts religion is based on and found that they contradict themselves. This made me skeptical of their meaning/intentions
3rd step: I learned about science and history and saw that these more globally agreed upon understandings of the known universe made much more sense that what religion taught me. Still, I was agnostic at least.
4th step: I learned about politics and human rights violations perpetrated in the name of religion, and it became abundantly clear that religions have always been a method of social control, meant to manipulate good people to do bad things. At this point I'm an atheist, and an outspoken critic of religion

>>684010364
I'm not

>>684013132
Does that bring you satisfaction?

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I'm not an atheist, every atheist I've met is a scumfuck fatass who has no idea what the big bang is, God is the way

Keep crying faggots, enjoy hell

>>684013928
ALLAHU AKBAR

>>684013536
Yeah

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>>684010364
Because I have no friends

GG

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>>684014246

>>684011332
this

I'm not. I think its entirely plausible that there is some kind of mind behind the scenes of our reality.

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You've got me all wrong, holy man. I do so believe in God. I just hate the fucker.

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>>684010364
I don't read fiction

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>>684010364
I'm not, but I was when I was an adolescent. It's a stage, much like puberty.

>>684011332
As if the point of religion is to function.

I'm not. I know there's a difference between creation and creator. I know that whatever I think or feel in regards to any part of the existence or creation isn't the creator of it.
Like trying to find the seed of a big beautiful apple tree. Its all there, yet the seed isn't .
Thoughts & words are creation. You can't say it exactly.

>>684010364
I am an atheist because I do not believe there is a god.

>>684015466
I dont recall commenting on what the point of religion is. What is your view friend?

>>684016026
>I dont need religion in my life to function.
That's not the point of religion.

>>684017442
Never said anything about the point of religion. Do you think you know what exactly the point of religion is?
Religion is a very personal thing, for some ppl its merely the basis of social traditions and nothing more. Other ppl consider religion the basis of their morality, without religion some ppl believe they wouldnt be good ppl at all, and for these ppl religion is very much something that makes them 'function'.

>>684018515
and by 'function' I mean being a fucntional part of a society.

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>>684014482
Because he feels like he's fighting evil, anon.

And don't tell me it isn't. Just because a mob boss donates to a charity and is pretty popular with the people he's tricked doesn't mean I can forgive the fact that he's killed more people than smallpox.

>>684013536
Athiesm isn't about satisfaction it's about the truth

>>684010364
I don't believe in a supernatural god

I'm not I'm an agnostic

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>>684013928

>>684013132
You mentioned violence justified by religion - can you recommend any reading material on the subject? I would love to learn more about it.

I've always been a person that likes evidence and proof of anything, even as a child. The proof of many religions is a sacred text, which itself is usually contradictory to itself and most texts contradict other texts. Science has mathematical proof behind it and has new discoveries which is proof of progress. Plus with science, faith isn't a prerequisite and it cannot have contradictions.

>>684010364
So you're telling me that out of all religions, all gods, that yours is the right one? The one you believe in is the one and only, the true one? How?

Can you prove it? What makes you any different from the rest?

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Neither atheist or theist. Not agnostic either.
Absurdist, maybe.

>>684019204
Not enough balls to go full blown atheist huh

>>684010364
We're all atheists- It isn't possible to truly believe in every god there is.
I'm among those that, as Dawkins put it, go one god further.

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>>684010364
Because Buddhism is an atheist practice.

>>684019628
>Absurdist

So you're a Nihilist without the emo? Okay.

>>684019674

Nah I think their could be something out there, we just have no idea, even atheist don't know if there actually is or isn't.

>>684019756
Is that a bad thing?

Because I try consistent with my logic.

If you already don't believe in things that have no proof of existing (i.e. bigfoot, boogie man, nessie, etc.) then why would you make a big-ass exception that also affects your life?

>>684019628
you're more of an illogicalist or a self-contradictist

>>684019936
>Try to be.

>>684019718
Not really atheist believe in science not sum old chink who sat around all day thinking it would make him happy

>>684019674
I'm agnostic because I don't think I'm smart enough to make any claim. Atheist Agnostic? Maybe. But I'm not smart enough to go "God 100% doesn't exist". Nor is there enough evidence that God DOES exist.

If God is a non-interventionist God, but created the universe (and there is no heaven or hell) then how would we find out 'he' exists? We wouldn't. Thus the most logical response is to say it doesn't matter, at which point you're treading to Absurdist/Nihilist area.

>>684010364
Because I've been brainwashed by the millennia of atheistic organizations all over the world. And now I live in a cave and I know the real truth. I hope that one day a messenger will knock on my door at 11PM to wake me up from this fantasy I'm living in and tell me the real truth.

>>684020000
Suits me just fine.

I just don't believe in god,anyways i don't see why people would pray for such an asshole like "god"

>>684011332
>I dont need religion in my life to function
>function

that's all you'll ever do, you fucking autistic robo-sperg

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>>684020106
>chink
He was Indian

>just sitting around will make you happy
You don't seem to be familiar with the basic tenets of Buddhism.

>believe in science
pic related. Also, Buddhism does not reject science.

>>684020000
QUADS NEVER LIE

>>684020316
I myself couldn't imagine being in such utter state of cognitive dissonance

>>684019929
Nah. I would agree with you. I'm an Absurdist Misanthrope. But I'm also smart enough to not be a fucking dick about it. I do think everybody is out for themselves and I do think that life has so little meaning that it's a statistical anomaly and should be discarded a such.

Since there is no option for "A guy who lives life and doesn't worry about these questions but is aware how humans are and what they do so is on guard constantly" I go with that.

But you HAVE to admit, Absurdism is just Nihilism without the "nothing matters :( we could all die tomorrow and nothing would change :(" it's true, but that's antisocial as shit and only certain groups (which died out, then came back as a subculture of hipsters) would be OK with you.

I'm not, I'm a Unitarian.

Captcha: Pancakes

>>684010364
Because all claims for the existence of any deity have not met their burden of proof.

>>684011332
This

>>684010364
because i have autism.

my brain functions on a lower level so anything dealing with the irrational forces of the world (love, grief, etc.) are beyond me.

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>>684020480
And you are a religious person? Would explain why discussing with you is like trying to explain quantum computing to a 3 yo with mental retardation....

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>>684020788
I like your pants.

>>684020788
Hey man, that's a pretty good post.

>>684021230
They look awesome anon. Thanks.

>>684021158
>"not the first post from this IP"

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>>684021348
So nice! /b/ is such a nice place these days!

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OF COURSE I'M A THEIST

I WORSHIP THE ONLY GOD.

FOLLOW THE IMPERIAL CREED!

Take god out of the equation, everything becomes more simple. If everything was designed by a god, then something's seriously wrong. The recurring laryngeal nerve is just one poor design error. Then there's animals which are seemingly designed to kill (the octopus, spider, tiger, cheetah etc.) and then there's the parasites. Why create all of that? Why create us with all these features that can only be used to kill.

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>>684010364
Because one day I realized that there was such a thing as not believing in god. Until then the thought had just never occurred to me, but once it did I was immediately interested.

I had always taken pause at a lot of the things that christianity preached, especially since that just for me being me I was supposedly eternally damned. It never sat well with me but I knew nothing else. So I went on believing for a time, even prayed, ultimately in vain, a few times.

Then, once I realized not believing was an option I stepped back and really evaluated things. It took me a good year to finally decide, but I did eventually. I realized that god, especially as he is depicted in the bible, was so statistically improbable as to be more or less non existent. And that even if he was real, looking around the world and the state it's in, the evils that get committed hourly and the lack of punishment for anyone but ourselves, that god was an asshole or just didn't care anymore.

Either reason was enough to make me realize that there was no point in following him anymore. Chances were in favor of god and christianity being products of scared people long ago trying to explain why things happened the way they did, same with any other religion that has come and past. And even if it was true that he existed I realized that I didn't want to worship someone that didn't care or was ok with suffering and pain in his subjects.

So I stopped believing, and it's probably for the better.

>>684020788
I'm certainty not grim about it. I don't even talk about it in the race case of someone actually being interested in my beliefs. I just think it best defines my outlook.

>>684010364
I'd rather believe in people and things I can see over an invisible Father figure telling me not to have fun.

>>684021158
Because I have autism.

Instead of attempting to rationalize the seemingly irrational , I believe in something that is completely illogical.

It seems arrogant and idiotic to presume that an infinitely intelligent and/or capable entity would have any interest in our activity, particularly our moral decisions. I also believe that you should have reasons for your actions.

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>>684014331
what??

>>684019378
Turn on the news for starters

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Because god wouldn't help me stop getting rejected by women and the bad boy always got her.

Now im a la veyan atheist and women can't resist my intellectual repute.

>debate me
>you will lose

>>684020480
What do you do besides function? Pray? Aka sitting around doing nothing?

>>684020332
I'm an atheist and I've always hated those edgelords who say gods not real if he was then why is their murder and rape and I'm like dude God's not real but if he was I do believe we would still have free will i mean if God controlled everyone and made it so nothing bad happens and we didn't have free will what would be the point in hell we would all go to heaven and then their wouldn't be a boogeyman aka Satan to make us not question the bible out of fear of being tourtured forever so bad things happening doesn't prove God's not real it just proves that if their we're nothing bad happening their would be no point in a God because religion is about judgeing what is right and wrong and if it can't do that than their is no point to religion

>>684022481
Free will is an illusion too though

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Hey, guys. Did you know that this one microscopic little species actually discovered the origins of the entire universe?

Yup, and it took an exponentially small amount of time!

Like, written languages and religion came around pretty damn close to each other. They must be geniuses.

>>684022728
How so?

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>>684021646
OUR GRACE!

>>684023152
Think about it. Every decision you will ever make is because of a combination of nature and nurture.

>>684022481
The problem with free will is that it directly contradicts the whole 'greater plan' thing he supposedly has going.

You can not have free will and also have a predestined fate that your life will go through. You either have free will and there is no reason for why things happen, or you have the greater plan and everything happens for a reason and it's all just an illusion of free will.

Also, you are talking about an omnipotent and omniscient being that is able to do literally anything and knows everything, every past and every possible future. He could have easily given us a world where our daily needs are taken care of (or even made us so we don't have daily needs) and free will.

Yet here we are, with starving people all over the world and people killing each other over basic necessities that the supposedly benevolent god could simply provide for everyone, and could have for that matter from the very beginning seeing that he knew exactly how and where it would lead (ie, the murder and suffering caused by lack of adequate food and water).

>>684022481
Underage

>>684023152
Religious standpoint: It is stated many times in the Bible that God has a plan. Prophecies suggest that certain events are predestined to happen. There are also multiple instances in which Gos messes with people's "free will", like how he made Phaoroh not let the Israelites go until the Tenth Plague.

Scientific Standpoint: Although events seem random, the Universe has very specific laws. Knowing these laws, it is hypothetically possible to predict everything that will ever happen, as long as all possible variables are accounted for. Every interaction of matter and energy is dictated by the laws of reality, and every interaction was predestined to happen at the beginning of time.

To piss of other religions

>>684018515
Without religion their would be barley any people with morale and would be higher crime rate.

I'm not an atheist because my penis is larger than any banana.

>BIDF BTFO

>>684023541
And again if these things didn't happen then their would be no reason for God/religion if we didn't have free will than God would have no reason to even create heaven/help unless you mean it's all predestination in that case then why would God have even created us unless to just see us suffer but if he is truly all knowing then he knows this will happen then why would he care about watching it play out I know their is no God but horrible things happening does not prove he is not real

>>684024360
I believe it was Carlin who said this, him or Minchin.

'If all that's stopping you from committing atrocities is religion then there's something seriously fucked up with you.'

That's all there is to it. You shouldn't need some divine power to tell you that cold blooded murder is wrong or that stealing isn't right. If it takes a god threatening eternal torment to get that through your head then you got some problems mate.

>>684023674
18 actually

>>684024360
the opposite has been shown to be true, the more secular a country, the better they score in matters that have to do with well being

>>684023444
But if hard determinism is your position, what do you think about quantum physics? Or a David Hume-esque position of a compatabilist principle of causality?

Imo its interesting because it offers an alternative in-between the positions of either determinism or libertarianism (pro free will position), where these are compatible instead instead of contradictory.

>>684011022
um I'll just ask this on the downlow:
any nipple slips

>>684024707
Heaven/*hell

BECAUSE THE CHRISTIAN GOD IS EVIL.

>>684018761
>wants to deny Muslims rights
>complaining that Muslims take away his rights

sure faggot

>>684019027
atheism is satisfying after teaching an uptight Christian girl her body and doing the nasty with her

>>684023148
But how do you know an omnipotent being didn't create all of this and then later stepped back from the picture because the universe is self-perpetuating?

>>684025463
Given the reality of teen atheist virginity, how common is this specific fantasy among fedoras?

>>684025463
This guy gets it

>>684023444
and yet I am free to make those decisions or not, so no.

Free will is real.

>>684025909
I'll bet it could power a major city

>>684024707
And now you're starting to see the paradoxes in religion, especially western religion.

Refer to Epicurus' quote:
>Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able?
>Then he is not omnipotent.
>Is he able, but not willing?
>Then he is malevolent. (evil for those that don't know)
>Is he both able, and willing?
>Then whence cometh evil?
>Is he neither able nor willing?
>Then why call him god?
God, as presented in the bible, is clearly not a being that is looking for our best interests.

He asks for constant worship, displaying narcissism. He lashes out at those that he sees as wrong, displaying wrath and vengeance. He demonizes those that don't agree with him, and asks his worshippers to exile, criticize, and in some cases, kill them. He makes mistakes that an omniscient creator would not make. Prime example is the whole situation with Adam and Eve. He knew exactly what would happen, because he is presumably omniscient, when he put them and the apple in his garden. Yet he did it anyway.

Same with all the things that happened with Satan. He knew all possible courses that it could take. Yet did them anyway. Or when he asked the guy I can't remember the name of to sacrifice his son. He knew that he would actually do it, yet made the guy get his son on the sacrificial table and raise the knife in his hand before stopping him.

God, if he exists, is not a good person. This is all assuming that he even has godly powers and isn't a figment of someone's imagination. There are inconsistencies everywhere, and outright contradictions, not to mention just dumb decisions made by something that is supposed to be all powerful and all knowing.

If you want to believe despite all that, that's your business. But it just don't make sense when you think about it.

>>684025863
Then at that point the bacteria is worshipping the scientist from their petri dish. Why worship something that will in no way effect your life? Why should you waste time asking it for favors or expecting it to sort you out into heaven or hell if it no longer even bothers with the whole of the planet?

>>684026366
>God, if he exists, is not a good person.
which is frankly the biggest clue that religion is myth much like Greek myths where gods are just bad characters on Seinfeld in terms of bad behavior and shitty personality disorders

>>684026833
because of faith

you think I'm making this up don't you?

>>684026366
reminds me of a quote, forgot who said it:
>"Your book is a cavalcade of immorality. It is a nightmarish parade through your god's failures and bloodlust."

>>684026366
No don't worry I don't believe it's just without free will what would be the point in God so saying if God was real nothing bad would happen then what would be the point in hell unless you think of predestination (which would make his job pointless) then why would God even create us don't you think that would bore him

>>684026991
Agreed.

Sometimes it still shocks me that people can be devout worshippers their whole lives.

>>684027107
That you believe? No, I 100% believe that you believe. I also believe that pretty much nothing anyone says will convince you otherwise because most religious people tend fall back behind the same reasons of faith, 'free will,' and ignoring various parts of their own holy book.

Don't take that as an attack at you either, because it's not. Just anecdotal evidence.

>>684027468
It would bore him, unless he's a sadist. Or he just got so bored with things that he gets his jollies from causing suffering in various ways.

Also, I never said that without god nothing bad would ever happen nor did I ever said that I believe in fate (I don't), merely that using free will as an argument for religion was dumb. Things would likely onle by slightly better than they are now, just certain wars would have to be fought using different reasons and bigotry would likely fall under different, more honest reasons.

In the end, people will be people. And that means there will be people who kill each other for some ideal or other, and backstab others to get ahead.

Good things and bad things happen like a random roll of the dice. There's a lot of random chance in life and when good and bad happen is ultimately up to chance, not some cosmic entity.

>>684010364
Atheists don't exist anymore. most people who say they are atheist go around spouting their belief of no god. That's not an atheist, that's an anti-theist. An atheist will let religious believe whatever god they want to and say nothing about it, because an atheist doesn't believe there is no god, they don't see evidence of one is all so they don't have an opinion either which way.

most of you faggots calling yourself atheist are not atheist.

>>684013928
this

>>684028571
You can be atheist and anti-theist at the same time you know.

>>684028571
>ackshually.jpg
Atheist is the lack of belief in a god. The full definition is:
>a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.

Anti theist is someone who actively opposes religion. These people are often referred to as 'militant atheists' anymore.

Agnostic is the term you're looking for, it's full definition is:
>a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.

So please, get your terms right before spouting them about.

I'm not saying there's no possibility of an intelligence that was around at the creation of the universe, but when you've got grown men believing in angels, the situation has definitely gotten out of control.

>>684028240
He'd have to be a pretty bored sadist because if he is all seeing he has already seen bad things happen centuries before it has actually happend

>>684029361
Which only really leaves two options:
>does not exist
>doesn't care and is long since gone in which case refer to >>684026833

>>684020480
>believes there's a higher purpose to his life
You are nothing but a clump of cells working in unison. When you die, your brain ceases to function and your body slowly disintegrates. That's it.

>>68402978
I completely agree I'm just saying bad things happening isn't a good enough reason to suggest God isn't real

>>684026366
you can add Platos Eutyphro problem to that list!
>"Is what is morally good commanded by God because it is morally good, or is it morally good because it is commanded by God?"
>If the first case is true, god is irrelevant in terms of morality
>If the second case is true, then morality is arbitrary, and god is also irrelevant

Cause I have absolutely no reason to believe there are gods

>>684010364
Simply because I don't believe in anything that I can't touch, see, taste, hear, or smell. And I'm definitely not going to believe everything a book riddled with mistruths say. I'd rather believe in magic unicorns at least that wouldn't cause pointless wars and violence.

>>684030496
Is it not?

No seriously. The benevolent creator that cares for each and every single person on this planet, enough so that he has a supposed plan for everyone and will listen to their wants and wishes, even sometimes supposedly fulfilling them. That sort of presumably kind being just lets so many of these people he is intimately in tune with suffer?

He hears every cry of pain from fathers beating their families, from men raping children, and every bone broken in needless violence. Things he could stop, people he could save. People that he cares about, that he listens to and loves. That he wants to see succeed.

Yet he can listen to their cries of agony and do nothing? If it was a man in that position people would call him a coward or a villain.

Yet we're supposed to bow down and worship this 'being' as an all mighty protector of the meek and lover of all?

Fucking fuck that. There's no reason to it and if you feel the need to worship some THING that is willing to allow that to happen then I pity you.