>>681761380
Possible era in the long timeline USA will for once NOT be hated by everyone?

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Mfw

>>681761745
This

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the americans are awake I see

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>mfw America elects a fucking commie

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>>681761380

>believing in the communist jew

sanders has the same chance of becoming president as ted cruz

www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGeMX8RvRbc

>>681764809
Freedom never sleeps

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not impressed

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>>681764809
well it is an american image board.

>>681761380
At least it wasn't Shillary

the people hating on Bernie seem to forget that they too will be eligible for things hes offering, i have yet to see anyone voting for other candidates say they like the idea of higher education being free

>>681766060
its like they think they will not be under that since they voted for someone else other than Bernie

>>681762006
Doubt it. They may have a president that actually talks a bit of sense, but it will never change the fact that America is race of loud and irritating retards.

>>681766060
>the people hating on Bernie seem to forget that they too will be eligible for things hes offering
Oh yes, I feel entitled to other people's wealth. GIBS ME DATS FREE SHIT

>i have yet to see anyone voting for other candidates say they like the idea of higher education being free
It's not free you stupid cuck. OTHER PEOPLE have to pay for it.

>>681766360
I know it will come by raising the taxes like the European countries, and Itd really funny how people like you label bernie supporters as wanting other peoples wealth. How did you come up with that? are you just saying that cos others are? you sheep. Do you think im going to be living under a bridge and go to school so i can evade paying taxes? I work, and pay taxes you fucking dumbass.

>>681766360
>I feel entitled to other people's wealth
That's pretty much what capitalism is, anyway.

>other people have to pay for it
Which means everyone pays a small amount for a larger gain.

The money that you'd have to fork out each year to contribute to the system, and not be a fucking degenerate, is probably cheaper than current education fees.

>mfw only yanks can be this spasticated

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>>681766703
>I know it will come by raising the taxes like the European countries
Oh boy, I can't wait to pay 67% income tax like Sweden!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_of_Europe

>people like you label bernie supporters as wanting other peoples wealth. How did you come up with that?
You want free university. How is that not "free shit"?

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>>681767181
What you save on a lower tax rate, ypu ultimately pay in private fees. Tuition, healthcare etc.

Side note ; America doesn't have anywhere near the same standard of living compared to Sweden. You'd be lucky to have a society like theirs.

>>681767181
You do realise that the maximum tax is not the average, right?

>>681767673
shut up you fag

>>681766060
Are you 17 years old

>>681761946
Faggot

>>681767703
eat facts and logic, faggot

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>mfw Bernie says he cares for poor people
>mfw Bernie says we should all pay our fair share
>mfw Bernie makes over $200,000.00 and only donates $8,000.00 to charity

Come on team anon, don't fail us now

>>681762346
Cuck

>>681767656
So what? I don't want to pay for lazy assholes' "free" shit. They don't deserve handouts.

>>681761380
I'd be estatic we escaped the nightmare scenario where a TV Reality show host is president

>>681767181
Come to think of it its you the type of people who make society bad, all it takes it to help out others but nope. You must be the guy who steals from the homeless in streets. Im willing to give part of my paycheck to help out my community and make shit better. Im also on the line of people having money taken away not just you.

>>681767673
So what? It's still theft from the productive to feed parasites.

This cuck isn't getting into the white house lol. Emperor god trump is sure to win

>>681766751
You see how well the new health care system worked... Not everyone chipped in. (by purchasing healthcare and keeping it and actually paying it) which would theoretically keep costs down on average.

>>681767773
He donates 8 thousand, but you're probably against his policies of everyone paying for education and healthcare.

>>681767872
>Come to think of it its you the type of people who make society bad,
No, we run society and produce things. We give to charities.

>You must be the guy who steals from the homeless in streets
This is what liberals actually believe.

>>681767815
Amen

>>681767773
Yea. And I paid a higher tax rate than he did and made less than he did last year

>>681767815
>everyone who is poor is lazy
>everyone who is rich is a hard worker

>>681767874
Technically it isn't theft since, although it is mandatory to pay the taxes, you could just move to a different country with lower tax rates. Then you can go cry about the lack of public services and the like

>>681767815
>implying everyone who can't afford healthcare or tuition fees are lazy

This is why you people are retards. You'll complain now that you don't want to give people the opportunity to do something with their lives, but in a few years time you'll complain about the same people who haven't got jobs because they couldn't afford college.

More people with a college education means more employment in the long run. More employment means more contribution to society, more contribution, more services.

How faggoty are you people?

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>'Murricans actually belive that social democracy is the same thing as full-blown communism

>>681768125
Are you honestly implying otherwise?

>>681768209
Quite right! "Social democracy" is just Communism Lite, less theft and none of the mass murder!

>>681767941
Where I'm from, income tax is pay as you earn. We don't skip out on our fees

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>>681767872
Yes because thats what the government will do.

>>681768289
That's pretty much what the US is right now...

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>>681768289
Oh bo-hoo I need to pay slightly higher taxes so everyone could get healthcare IT´S COMMUNISM I SAY, COMMUNISM!

>>681768222
Are you a retard? Millions of poor people work fucking 80 hour work weeks, and there are many rich people who simply inherited millions if not billions. Your way of thinkng is incredibly childish, honestly, especially since it means you believe the more money you are worth=makes you a harder worker.

>>681768206
There aren't enough jobs even available thay require "extra learns"

If everyone had a bachelors degree employers would just require a PhD to weed out all the sail through high school/bachelors degree plebs

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>>681761380
>you're

>>681768451
We're not a true free market, this is sadly true.

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>>681768473
It is, and it's wrong.
>pic related

>>681768478
Well, in that case, keep doing what you're doing America.. Because it's clearly better than trying to fix things.
Juts remember; don't complain about the unemployed, the poor and the homeless in the future, because you want things to stay the way they are.

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>>681768477
>Millions of poor people work fucking 80 hour work weeks
They should try paying for better educations and bettering their lots in life. Work smarter, not harder!

>there are many rich people who simply inherited millions if not billions
So what? That's not illegal. People can choose to give their wealth to family if they so choose.

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>>681768693
Don't try to fix it by just throwing inane ideas at it. Which is gobbled up by the Internet raised youth of today...this site not being an exception.

>>681768764
Don't you understand the concept and of "poor".

I'm pretty sure most of them would jump at the chance of an education. Not everyone is as well off as you are. Some need help.

What was that quote again? "give me your tired, your hungry and your poor"? Or some shit like that?

>>681768904
This inane ideas that are clearly working on other countries, you mean?

>>681768478
not everyone is going to get a bachelors... youd be surprised how many people are willing but are unable to get a better education because of this system. They are the hard-workers that are mission out on opportunity. I see so many lazy asses in college and just go because mommy and daddy have lots of money to throw.

>>681768206
>more people with a college education means more employment
>people getting their bachelor's in fabric.
>people can't get jobs with degrees today
>now just hang out degrees because that is what creates jobs.

Your debate is employment

>>681768894
this is the most finnish looking dude I have ever seen

>>681768940
>Some need help.
They're called scholarships.

> "give me your tired, your hungry and your poor"?
Yeah, they can work hard and achieve the American Dream. Not "give me your handouts so I don't have to work hard"

>>681769061
Which is what raises money for society?

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>>681769179
or maybe the fact is these taxs won't do shit to the rich and will strangle smaller companies

>>681769017
I see lazy asses in there too. Now imagine every single person in the country being able to get in. It would be beyond recognition.

>>681768764
You're so dense... If college tuition would be free then they wouldn't have to worry about having so many payments. Im not sure if you're aware that college is expensive. And it may not be illegal but like you said rich = hard workers, how are they hard workers? they literally got hand fed the money. Something you said you wouldn't do and you think that its okay that things are that way.

>>681769009
Countries that have less than the population of the United States and have entirely different cultural and family structures. It won't work in the USA as well as you blindly hope.

>>681769179
Right. Not taxes.

Thank you for proving my point

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https://youtu.be/IDvWyBOTVNc

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>>681769179
High school is free in the USA and look what it produced. You want free college and can't even think.

>>681769346
They have ways to weed out the stupid ones, Im sure that if it happens colleges will raise SAT or ACT scores for entree

>>681769389
You know every single product you use you are handing rich people money, right? For example Bill Gates was not handed money, he made a product and you bought it. You and everyone else keep the rich in power. You vote for companies to live or die with your money.

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Since i live in europe and hes not trump u dont think I should worry or care

>>681769742
In my hunger I overlooked this possibility.

Kudos

>>681769808
Yeah... Hate rich people but want to be rich. Thus, hating yourself. Bernie Sander fanboy logic.

>>681769808
I know but whats your point? Isnt it that what Bernie wants to stop? Raising taxes so even companies have to pay from what they receive?

>>681768209
Bernie supporters think that a social democracy is "democratic socialism". Fuck me, right?

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I want him to win. But I don't see him winning this time.
I would be surprised

>>681770380
He will die before he could do anything. Who is his running mate going to be? Important

>>681769707
Thank you for this

>>681769808
Hating successful people for being successful... yep, sounds like a Sanders supporter. There may be wealth inequality, but there is social mobility in the US, so why don't you work to become wealthy?

>>681769871
>he's not trump
I never understood why would anyone blindly jump on the trump hating bandwagon because others say so. Crowd psychology I guess.

>>681770525
So you think evading taxes and cheap labor is ok?
Instead of having a company pay for taxes to help out their OWN country and having the companies actually hire AMERICAN people instead of chinese or other cheap labor workers?
MAN, theyre so smart for getting so much money.

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>>681770251
Not really, they at this point still pay the most of taxes, at least if I was a rich person I would simply move my company and deal with import taxes. They will also just replace people to make it so they lose less money. The thing is people are greedy. Every single person is greedy in some way or another, and people will find out how to fulfill that greed. Also remember these taxes will most likely strangle smaller businesses. Once again even with Bernie in, you still vote with your wallet. All you do is give more power to the government to decided things. He will not fix anything, because nothing is free and people will find a way to make other people pay for it.Vote with your wallet and decided what companies you wanna support.

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>>681761380
>mfw

>>681769389
Theres a good reason why the vast majority of poor people are poor. Sure there are some that are down on their luck but having been around poor people most of my childhood life most of them are retards that go out of their way to make shitty life choices and are whiney cunts that make excuses for everything. Anyone with a public education in america has no excuse not to have a decent paying job
Im not exactly a millionaire myself but im going into my thirtees making six figures (which some would consider rich) and no I didnt get "hand fed money"
Tldr: fuck the poor and fuck you

>>681766060
Higher education shouldnt be free. college towns will shrivel up and die, BA will be the new benchmarks for employment, and all the retards will flood college more than they already are.

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>>681771140
>and all the retards will flood college more than they already are.
and when their grades are poor after the 1st semester their free ride will end.

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>OP

>>681771241
Just like how there are now schools that won't allow people to have f's, because thats how high schools get their funding. Surely that won't happen with college at all.

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>>681761380
laughing as all the Trumpie inbreds smash their tv's and start redneck riots overturning their pickups and looting the local dollar tree

>>681770962
I'm sorry to break your bubble but big companies don't give a single fuck about helping American people for the sake of patriotism and altruism. It's all about making the biggest profit and if hiring a bunch of chinks that work for a bowl of rice helps them with that they sure won't think twice

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>>681771422
you're right. It won't. Also 1st two years of "free college" will be local community college not fucking Harvard, you inbred twat.

>>681771422
You are another thinker. So few in here.

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>>681771570
that's if this guy wins.

>>681770525
Why not cap success? Whats the point of people having literally billions and billions of dollars? If they want to invest it - fine, let them found a holding. There is no need for people to have billions of private wealth when nature and infrastructure suffer. There are diseases out there that no one gives a shit about, because theres no money to be made. Why not have the super rich pay for that? Why not have them to support the international space agencies? Literally anything that actually benefits humanity.

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MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE

>>681771587
You are not a thinker. So many in here.

>>681771464
>post yfw Chicago happened
Fucking Bernout communists

>>681771665
>if
Better get your shit ready cuck, Trump is the next president

>>681771084
Isnt Bernie wanting to end offshore tax havens? Do you think that would work out?

>>681771827
Fuck off Communist Cuck

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>>681771587
Surly it won't, they will just fund every college regardless of grades/attendance and other factors because that's not a waste of money at all.

>>681762726
carl always struck me as more of a hillary man

>>681771901
*surely

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>>681771806
topkek

>>681768642
oh sorry, i didn't know you had a meme. My bad, you win.

>>681771681
Because it's their money, regardless of how you feel they still have free will. You can't just force people, because at that point you do lose freedoms. You can't have true order while having true freedom

>>681771958
Ah thank you, I am very tired so I missed one letter while typing fast.

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>>681768642
>Healthcare is not a right
tell that to every other 1st world country on this planet.

>>681771806
i'd prefer trump to hillary but there's 0 chance this man is the next president. The only thing he can hope to do at this point is destroy the republican party.

>>681765134
Underrated

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>>681771806
If I give you my address will you come to my house after the election in November so I can taste your delicious salty tears?

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>>681772176
>The only thing he can hope to do at this point is destroy the republican party.
They're doing that on their own

>>681772264
Yeah, I'll come by. Hope you're good at prepping though, your wife will be waiting for me.

>>681772163
That's the thing that kills me. Dont want socialism? That's cool. But this mental crony capitalism where the government can't negotiate for drug prices on medicare is beyond retarded.

All you conservatives claim to be such snappy business types, why would you let the government negotiate bad deals like that.

The second thing is that in a for profit system there's an incentive to order a million billion medical tests, that aren't always necessary and dont necessarily improve the healthcare outcome.

tl:dr if you want a private system you could at least figure out one that's a million times better than this one.

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Aricanfats want to be in debt forever.
Don't like shit that's free in every other not politically retarded country. Pay shitloads to get the same stuff, could pay bit more tax and allow themselves to never stuggle again with loans. Gg Murcia. Ignorance wins. Good shit is communist bait.

>>681772279
ya i mean he does it they do it, there's plenty of blame and/or credit to go around.

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we'll all die the first week

>>681772390

>i live in a fantasy world online where everyone is either trumps or cucks

> i'm in for a real disappointment come november

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>>681772390
she'll have a brand new big black strap on. just like you like.

>>681772520
not you emma, i wont let anything bad happen to you

>>681772524
>> i'm in for a real disappointment come november
At least you've accepted it.

So are you for Shillary? Why?

>>681772594
Anyone that supports this cunt getting into office has a legitimate mental illness

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>>681772725
>Anyone that supports this megalomaniacal douche-bag getting into office has a legitimate mental illness

fixed

>>681772395
>The second thing is that in a for profit system there's an incentive to order a million billion medical tests, that aren't always necessary and dont necessarily improve the healthcare outcome.

The second thing is that in a FREE system there's NO incentive to NOT GET a million billion medical tests, that aren't always necessary and dont necessarily improve the healthcare outcome.

If someone has to pay for it, they're kinda motivated to not waste their money.

>>681772658
Why would anyone be for shillary.

I just want it all to be over... so many disappointments

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQKzesTq0Wo

>>681772879
ya except there is, because in a "free" system care is carefully rationed based on medical need in order to keep costs down not just lavished about based on who can afford it.

>>681772847
kek

Triggered a numale

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>>681761380
>Why has god failed us?

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>>681773104
see>>681772978
>you

>>681773189
You wish that were me so that you could try and whiteknight your way into some pussy

>protip that never works you beta

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>>681773058
>because in a "free" system care is because in a "free" system care is carefully rationed based on medical need

Because governments are really good at "carefully rationed" based "need".

Are you retarded.

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>>681773115
thank you NES

non-unitedstadians lurking the thread, seriously now

is USA done for as a global symbol of democracy, freedom, opportunity?

seriously, is this all a huge joke or what?
are the next elections really gonna be either a populist, a mobster, and a feminist?

>>681772075
Bullshit. My country forces me to pay for social insurances. Am I less of a free person because of that? Hell no. People are free to go whereever they want to go. Especially within the European Union. Paying for social insurances is part of the deal. The government expects me to comply with that deal if i want to live in this country. If the super reach can't be arsed to comply with a cap in private wealth, they have to go.

>>681765835
This

>>681772395
Thing is, health care is so regulated by the government that it drives up the costs.

Like your example for the medical tests; did you know that your pharmacist used to be able to give prescriptions? If you had strep throat, and recognized it, you could go right to your pharmacist, tell him what your deal is, and they'd give you what you need. No copay, no tests, just "oh, here you go, get well soon".

The problem was that doctors/hospitals/medical industry didnt make enough money, so they went to the government and got laws passed that you HAD to go to the doctor for everything.

Sure, there are pros and cons to that, but the point is, government control only limits your options, and drives up the costs.

Thats why conservatives are about smaller government. You dont need a bureaucrat to stand in your way for government to be in your way. They get doctors to be their stand-ins.

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Out bitch

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>>681764984
Ew, don't associate us communists with someone who jerks off to Israel, called the heroic *Salvador Allende* a "dead communist dictator" and cheered on the tragic overthrow of the USSR

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>>681765880
more like this pls

>>681774616
But… but… Donald trump wouldn't be rich and powerful in your country!

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>>681761380
Who, this guy?

>>681771682
BLADEMAIL IS OP

>>681761380
>you're

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>>681765134
This

>>681773058
and do you think carefully rationed healthcare is a good thing? people run into even worse health complications all the time in Canada because their health systems are over crowded and stingy, so they couldnt get immediate health care

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>>681774506
>is USA done for as a global symbol of democracy, freedom, opportunity?
ALMOST THE ENTIRE WORLD EXCEPT YOU THINKS YOU'RE THE GREATEST THREAT TO WORLD PEACE

>>681761380
i fucking hope so. hilary and trump are war mongering idiots and id rather have billions of tax dollars going towards improving the quality of life of our country than bombing mud huts and muslim weddings on the other side of the country.

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>>681774865
Really? Do you have evidence to back that up or are just making shit up?

>>681774878
you missed the part where i stated i am NOT unitedstadian

next time notice how unitedstadians will also never refer to themselves with a proper term, and instead using the ambiguous and retarded "american"

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>>681761380
Bwah!

>>681773676
Normie

>>681774865
Most issues like that happen after rightists cut funding.
The issue is not going far enough. marxists(.)anu(.)edu(.)au/archive/newsholme/1933/red-medicine/index(.)htm

>>681774806
remember watergate like the alamo

>>681774878
also, using che guevara as reply,
fraking brainwashed cuck

che was more of a populist and mobster than bernie trump combined

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>>681775059
Oh my god, then you're even MORE fucked in the head, you don't even have the excuse of indoctrination that USians do.

>>681772371
omfg that guy from the prodigy didn't age well

>>681775059
>instead using the ambiguous and retarded "american"

What don't you moronic has-been and never-were countries understand?
America is part of our country's name, it isn't part of these other shitty countries over here's names.

>>681774721
bet she took so much dick

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>>681775250
>brainwashed
I think you'll find that being a ~Literal Stalinist~ and ~USSR Apologist~ is significantly less accepted than most other political ideologies in capitalist society. I mean, I'm not the one whose beliefs have been combated with suppression and state propaganda throughout pretty much the entire capitalist world.

So Bernie wouldn't be simply Obama 2.0 right?

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>>681775354
>has-been and never-were countries
>said in full seriousness while the US, the richest country on earth, is outmatched in life expectancy and infant mortality by a country as poor as Cuba despite
>also implying the US didn't cause the poverty of the other countries except for Canada (google "banana republics)

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>>681775688
>(google "banana republics)

>getting your information from google

why can't liberals into logic???

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>>681774893
The fuck you say about me, you little bitch?

>>681774806
reminder that Richard Nixon literally did nothing wrong

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>>681761380

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>>681775059
NO ONE FUCKING CARES ABOUT CANADA SHUT THE FUCK UP

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>>681775362
Bet that's none of your business you stupid cuck

>>681767713
Holy shit I would have woken up laughing.

>>681766060
Yes we will all be eligible for a massive tax hike so we can pay for the 'free' stuff that I'll never see

>>681775798
>calling literal communists "liberals"
and I mean, I could find you some actual sources on U.S. imperialism in the Americas but I heavily doubt you'd actually be interested in a serious fucking debate over an imageboard when threads don't even last more than a few hours at most. I just wanted to bring your attention to the fact that U.S. imperialism being responsible for ruining other American countries is pretty much fact (also something that still continues to this day; snopes(.)com/hillary-clinton-suppressed-haitis-minimum-wage/ )

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What fucking gets me is that if you become poor in this country, you are basically trapped being poor. Coming from experience, I married into a rich family and now help my parents out with their mortgage and medicaid.

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By the way, a fact I want to bring up to everyone calling Sanders a communist because "something something, taxes"
Y'all do know that the only countries to actually abolish taxation was socialist Albania and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea?

>>681776309
if you become poor in america, 99% of the time it's nobody's fault but your own. Well unless bernie wins because then most people will become poor because the gov't can't keep its hand out of our pockets

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>>681776420
And you spout this idiocy based on what facts?

>>681768764
Holy shit you're fucking dumb

>>681764809
You Eurocuck, M8? Go suck a refugee's dick, faggot.

>>681765134
I lost my shit to this post
Thanks

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>>681775854
>Nixon literally did nothing wrong
UHUHUHUHOHOHOHAHAHAHAHAH

they irradiate their own planet with nuclear fission devices

>>681777003
>"Go suck a refugee is dick, faggot."

How does it feel, being worse at your own language than a foreigner?

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>>681765880
>>681774753

REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH NOW!

>>681776420
My father was an engineer for the state but had an aneurysm when I was one and had to retire early, receiving disability and medicaid help only after our income got below a certain line, which caused us to become poor in order to receive the benefits. Then when I was sixteen I was diagnosed with cancer, which flung my health insurance into the atmosphere and my treatment bills mounting up. Along with my father's heart conditions, psychiatrist (since the aneurysm fucked him up mentally), bypass surgery, twenty seven medications, my four medications, my mother's three medications, we were left with around one hundred dollars to ourselves a month for food, clothes, bath essentials, gas, and other bills including electricity, basic cable, car insurance, and a cheap pay-as-you-go phone for when I was in trouble. I never went to college because I couldn't afford it, and I am fine right now without an education, but in the future I'd rather not rack up my debt.

Most of the people who wants Bernie to win are the disabled who can't work, people who are too sick and tired from working eighty hour work weeks to make a living just to stay poor, and people who believe EVERYONE in this beautiful country deserves a chance at a decent life. My mother has just about worked herself to death try keep this family "afloat", and I don't want to have to think about any children losing out on the childhood they will never get back because of hardworking parents like mine never being able to be with them because of some shitty economical system that's outdated and useless.

>>681777577
We need to stop thinking of people who need help as lazy narcissistic millennials who just want free shit, but as people who want an equal playing field. Education, food, money and healthcare are necessities and everyone deserves a chance. I'm feeling the Bern.

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>>681774806
Oh, I thought this was Rowan Atkinson,
Laughing your ass off while he literally does nothing

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At least it isn't Hillary, I guess...

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>>681777328
what?

apostrophe isn't always replaceable by "is".
refugee's dick = dick of refugee

finish the english course before you start lecturing ppl over the net.. or better yet, finish highschool before coming to 4chan, this is a 18+ website

>inb4 u point a mistake in my post, im not native either