Theyre both sin

>>681716503
explain..?

>>681716565
They steal from the taxed; suicide costs $, they could literally b forcing sum1 to live

>>681716825
> steal
> what is income redistribution

don't you think that education for everyone is better for the society?

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Public education is good. Educated tax payers statistically pay more. Invest in your citizens and they'll invest back into the system.

As opposed to what currently happens.

Of course education is better for everyone, when it's done not making slaves
don't u believe in RIGHTS?
i bet uve never made anythig in ur life

Architecture must currently b publicised because income is so low, & it's a necessary field for growth

in recent years its all become shit. theres literally no good place to educate your kids. Public education is retardedly soft cause they prefer to punish teachers instead of students to avoid dealing with complaining parents, private religious schools tend to be shit with education and push the religious rhetoric too hard, and secular private schools are absurdly expensive for average families to afford. Home schooling isnt an option cause kids end up being socially stunted retards.

>>681718462
I agree

>>681718462
OP here, I have to agree
Still, I found public education the "less harmful" of all the options.

It is more complex and complicated for kids and initial education though..

>>681718634
Actually, i didnt read the end of ur post, children should go straight intocollege from reading/writing & arithmetic

>>681718795
But it shouldnt b compulsory

>>681718462
Punish teachers? If you're a schoolteacher for 2-5 years anywhere in America, you get pretty impenetrable tenure.

>>681718753
We need a really smart person to get into harvard or an equivilent & make jobs

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>>681718462
Governments should let parents decide where their kid goes AND still pay for it. Instead of dropping responsibility entirely if they don't go to public school. I guarantee you you'd see an improvement in education in students and educational facilities.

>>681715517
A safe space where you only here liberal veiws and you don't have to hear mean conservative ones. White males are the problem and must be dealt with.

>>681719018
Harvard grads have little debt

>>681717178
Not if it's an indoctrination camp.

>>681719082
Shut it

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>>681715517
School: the most convenient system that exists solely to marginalize young people into categories such as social class, intelligent, athletic.

University: Scam, that exists to oppress the poor, less motivated, and stupid even further. The students there turn either into Wagies or Boss Cucks. non of which usually turn out genuinely "successful", unless you go to an IV college or learn a certain trade.

It's all a product of social engineering. you may learn something, but that was never the point to begin with...

>>681719161
Telling me to shut it is a micro aggresion you have verbally raped me and I will be reporting you to the campus adminstration and local police. I am so triggered right now.

>>681719152
> Not if it's an indoctrination camp.
> implying

>>681719406
If local PDs have to investigate "Trump 2016" as a possible hate crime, it is indeed, an indoctrination camp.
>muh safe space

>>681718753
i would have agreed with you for a long time, but my GF is a public junior high teacher, so i get a bit of an inside view of where the system is heading, and now i dont know man. Im fuckin 28 and its not the same system it was when i was a kid. It caters so much more to the parents now, to the point of absurdity. Teachers arent allowed to fail kids anymore, teachers arent allowed to yell at kids, or call them out on shit like behavior or poor work in front of other kids, as this is "corporal punishment". Hell, if an "emotionally disturbed" child, which there are more and more of, decided to flip a shit and start beating a teacher, the teachers not allowed to defend herself. And this is not even touching upon the failures of common core and shit like the singapore math initiative. The list goes on and on, and the harm it does to these kids ego and intellect is incalculable.

>>681719343
of course university does not guarantee anything, and you can be a fucking genious without actually going to it

but how many genious are like these ? You can count them with your finger hands..

on the other side, while not making you a genious, you will be better for society and profitable for companies if you study in the university.

It is not the perfect solution, but studying really worths it.

There are some exceptions, I think IT its a branch where you can get excellent results beign autodidact, but it is not the norm

Universities should be publicly funded. I'm a conservative, but I believe that if you work hard enough to get into a college, you shouldn't be burdened with 50k in debt on the other side. Also, it just makes sense to invest in people from our own nation filling jobs that require higher education degrees.

>>681718997
oh sure, you got tenure. they cant fire you. they still make your life a living hell though. Letters in your files, shitty schedules, shitty kids.

>>681719406
Ok let's do away with public universities and see how much GDP a largely uneducated public will produce

>>681719343
Alternative way at looking at it from the non-pussy viewpoint: separates weak from strong, smart from stupid. In no way does the school system disadvantage any certain group of people unless you're a fucking dumbass, in which case just get a trade and stop whining.

That being said, modern schools are the biggest indoctrination centres the world has ever seen. Complete "safe spaces" where free speech is not only silenced, but threatened with expulsion.

>>681719592
>emotionally disturbed
Term used to exonerate minorities from their constant misbehavior

>>681719535
I am not into US reality, so I really can't answer this
I am not a amerifag

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>>681719722
>genious

>>681719592
I understand this, but it isn't intrinsic to public education. Ethic in world is changing, they are trying to be more inclusives.. and sometimes this is too much extreme.
We are learning in the process (I hope)

>>681719898
It's a thing. College kids are so thin skinned they will call the police over legitimate free speech in support of a candidate that they disagree with.

http://www.newsweek.com/emory-trump-chalk-protests-440618

>>681719888
actually, no. Its used to refer to what in our day we called retards. The fucking autists, aspies, and downright psychos who would, among pure peace and calm, throw a chair across a room.
The minorities, you cant even single out by giving them a distinct title.

>>681720084
>what is a typo

fuck you, my english is not native and I am still studying it.

>>681719765
I prefer a mixed program, so every fag can choose where to study

8 out of the top 10 universities in the world are in the United States and are not a public entity.

That's really all I need to know about public university.

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>>681720084
>what is a typo
It's not a typo when you misspell it multiple times you dumb fuck

>>681719735
You're not conservative.

>>681720091
On one hand yes, but on the other hand, theres a very specific issue in public education that stems from the fact that its run by politicians. The reason its the way it is now is because if you make a kid feel like shit, they complain to mommy and daddy. mommy and daddy complain to the teacher. Teacher says the kid was a shit, they complain to the principle. Principle says the kid was a shit, they complain to the superintendent. Superintendent says the kid was a shit, they complain to the head of the department of ed, who happens to be the mayor (fucking deblasio in our case). The mayor wants the votes, so he appeases the parents by cracking down on the superintendent and threatening disciplinary action, who does the same to the principle, who does the same to the teacher.
Its all cause of the politics

>>681720449
>arguing over the most trivial shit with each post accompanied by a reaction picture.

Spend less time on 4chin pls.

>>681720493
How? Conservatives want equal opportunity. Liberals demand equal outcomes.

>>681720406
but you're excluding people in the process
you could be one of those
or your son

>>681715517

fun game for /b

Take any word.

Now add the word "public" to the beginning of it.

The meaning of that word just became worse.

I'll start.

1)
Transportation.

Public Transportation.

2)
Bathroom.

Public Bathroom

3)
Education

Public Education

...

To anyone saying success without college is possible is correct if u want to live as a neolithic. The human world is built on science & engineering

>>681720848

Housing.

Public Housing.

>>681720848
Public hookers

>>681720643
Precisely. I want everyone to have a fair shot, not everyone to have the same income.

>>681720584
I agree, but unless we apply some kind of revolution (?) we can't get rid of politicians.

the problem is they are usually not experts in their field, so any fag can be politician about any field, just like that

at least that's how works in my country since I have memory

> meritocracy
not necessary, with public education "anyone" should be capable of studying and gain some expertise in the field they would like to be politician

>>681720848

>take any word

Cat.

>now add the word public to it

Public cat?

>it just became worse

????

>>681720848
Add "-ly accessable" & u've struck gold

>>681720908
What public university did Newton go to?

>>681720848
that's a really nice argument really
you must have studied in a private university.

ur wifes ass

Public ur wifes ass

>>681720998
Thing is, its a matter of how a government system is set up. The only way this would change is if there was legislature to take the education system out of the hands of politicians and put it into the hands of senior academics. And theres a snowball's chance in hell the government will ever pass legislature to limit its control on a public service

>>681721093
Newton wasn't a CHEMIST, chemistry & physics must b united.

>>681721274
yup, we agree on this

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>>681715517
A cancer that needs to be either completely uprooted and reevaluated, or privatized. The "education industrial complex" not longer a space of intellectual diversity and challenge, so I don't want my tax dollars going towards it.

>>681721458
In that case, I don't want ur tax dollars going to it!

>>681721274
>senior academics
No thanks. Things would be wayyy worse if the eggheads who invented "micro-aggression" and "the patriarchy" were the only ones running education. We would be more fucked than we are now.

>>681721458
you are generalizing way too much

>>681721310
So you have no answer?

To anyone thinking u can b a scientist or engineer wijtout school-try it, u'll get cancer i bet

>>681720848
Public.

Public Public

>>681715517
Like everything else, an education is never worth more than what you pay for it.

>>681721458
This tbh.

Universities used to be esteemed institutions where the brightest of mankind innovated what we thought unachieveable.

Now they cry when the word trump is drawn in chalk.

>>681721651
I am, but this is a general thoughts thread. What do you think i'm overlooking or oversimplifying?

>>681721709
that's not a problem of universities

the problem is US itself

>>681721707
Except it is as long as you take something fucking useful, not feminine African dance massaging.

>>681721651
OK you test this for /b/, go to the mall of any campus in America, get a Trump: shirt, hat, sign, and a megaphone. If you last more than 10 minutes you proved us wrong. I bet you wouldn't make it 5.

>>681721843
Canadian universities are just as fucked, and I imagine those in the UK don't fair much better.

>>681721795
you are not considering other positions and just answering with memes and you're hurr durring about "they are comunists, jews and fucking gays"

or your image shows that

of course there are some stupid brainwashed people that are exactly what they are blaming for (intolerants) but well that's the story of humanity

do what I say but not what I do

>>681721843
Do you think it's just America that has been absorbed into this culture? Christ mate look at Sweden, Germany, even England is fucked right now man. Scotland has literally started to make it a jailable offence to dissent from the indoctrinated thought process.

The world is dying from an orgy of self sacrifice

>>681721558
well fuck i dont know then. a panel of mixed conservative and liberal academics? politicians sure as shit arent making the system better

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>>681722241
Where are my libertarians, without them-no anal

>>681721853
Not really. Think about it. If ANYONE could go to school for free you are going to end up with the few really good fields so over-saturated with job seekers that wages will be heavily depressed and you'll still end up flipping burgers.

On the Other Hand, in 2012 the DoL reported that the average age of Skilled Tradesmen in the US was 57. All those dudes who make EVERYTHING are getting ready to retire. Wanna make bank for the rest of your life? Learn to weld. Welders and Machinists are in VERY short supply NOW.

>>681722241
>conservative
>college professor
Pick one

>>681722306
Let me expand: people are not taking responsibility for themselves

>>681722077
I could be misunderstanding you, but the "few" intolerant people seem to hold most power in universities at the moment, let alone public education in general. I used the meme image because it's a joke that's semi-related to my point made, which makes no mention of "gays, Commies", what have you.

>>681720163

lol, emory has over 14k students and there were roughly 40 protesting, you think that represents a significant amount of their student population?

fucking joke.

>>681722357
>>681722241

Something the left always forgets is ideological diversity. The right isn't guiltless either.

I'd call myself a libertarian, but i think we need a communist party, fascist party, moderate socialist, traditionalist, etc.

Dual party system is a disgrace.

We need an expert: how difficult is it to get a $160000 university loan?

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>>681717441
"Hey guys I want my post to be taken seriously.
>Posts porn.

>>681722655
No, fuck off u basic

>>681722391
You're pretty right there, I'm going into accounting as my major next year and I'm fuckin worried it's become the popular thing to do. I know it sounds hilariously ironic because its fucking accounting, but a lot of people heard its a good moneymaker.

>>681722649
I can post links all day of liberals being offended by an opposing veiw.

http://www.salon.com/2016/04/11/the_chalkening_has_gone_too_far_trumps_call_for_college_supporters_to_arm_themselves_with_chalk_leaves_campuses_littered_with_racist_messages/

>>681722655
i think for the immediate future, replacing the mayor with a panel of mixed conservative and liberal academics is more realistic than finding someone from every single ideology ever to populate such a panel in every city across the country

>>681722649
What you seem to forget is that the vocal minority usually is who has the power in these establishments.

>>681722768
Back to Twitter, faggot.

>>681722872
What do humans need accountants 4? Keep track of URSELF

>>681722655
in Argentina anyone can make a political party and participate in elections

But.. peronism has been always the strong force, and some sorf of mixed "opposite forces" have joined usually as a second party, as an alliance

so, historically, we were a not-formal dual party system

>>681719026
You do realize this will stunt children whom are born into low income families more so than they already are.

>Parent is poor and ignorant
>Why the fuck would I pay for that lil bastard to go to school, i need more shit
>Poor and uneducated continue to become more poor and less educated.

If ur smart: stem
if dumb, fuck off, but for now: be am assembly liner, mine worker, or construction

>>681722872
Can I suggest something radical? Become an Over the Road truck driver. You literally live on the road, you might get home every three months or so. You won't need an apartment, your only real expense will be food. do that for a few years and just stack it away. Then go to a community college and pay cash for as much of it as you can. You gain real life experience, lots of companies will pay for your training WHILE they pay you to learn and starting income is $32K a year average.

Look into it.

>>681715517
Here in Canada our public school system is better than a lot of private schools in the States. Of course, in Amerifat land public school is a joke.

>>681723109
Neither was America, but it always seems to devolve into what we see now. At least in Canada we have """"five"""" main parties, but the liberals and conservatives are the only ones ever mentioned. Every single party is way left of centre except for the conservatives, who are bare,y right wing.

>>681723275
How did Bill become president?

>>681723109
And you're not white either.

Rawl

>>681723378
>Here in Canada our public school system is better than a lot of private schools in the States.
Top. Fucking. Kek.

>>681722872
kek
don't worry, everything is going to be ok
that bullshit of "everyone do the same shit as I do" only happens when the universities doesn't add diversity to careers.

even if it is the case, you will have a better income than not having a major.

but you would have to evaluate if that education investment (money, time) made your actual income worth

>>681723378
Where in Canada? B.C's education system, at least the lower mainland, isn't any better than the states.

>>681723429
Bill is a lawyer, the bastard

Macri y la concha de tu madre que recorta todo. No sor kirchnerista, los odio también, pero Macri está haciendo mierda el país muy lentamente, y los forros de Clarín y TN se cagan de risa.

Aguante el FIT loco, acá hacen falta fusiles y gente con huevo.

>>681723020
because they don't have real power in the real world

>>681723352
Funnily enough my math teacher in grade 10 who had a hard on for trades suggested this to the class.

I don't know though, my family would be really fucking disappointed in me regardless of what I convinced them. I'll look into it regardless, anon.

>>681723717
Son, i'm disappointed ur considering accounting

>>681723533
Did you have multiple teachers with doctorates in their respective subjects teaching you at your private highschool?
>>681723595
Toronto.

>>681723275
basically this
gov must do the best to guarantee a basic opportunity for everyone
public education is essential in this idea

>>681723685
They're getting it, if the current state of Western politics and corporate policies show anything.

>>681723595
No I meant he came from a shit home, shit life, in a shit state, and still made it. I don't like the guy, but I can admire his accomplishments. He's got a presidential library with a massage parlour.

>>681723796
Kek, I meant that in reference to the trucking, as in trying to convince the, the benefits of being a trucker.

Living in the country with "best" edu i think its pretty shit

>>681723810
They mustn't, read the first reply

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>>681723805
>elected trudeau
>welcomes migrants
>PhDs teaching snot nosed brats

Keep up the good work guy.

>>681723717
After 40 years of pushing kids into college and away from skilled trades we are running into the problem of not having enough tradesmen to maintain our basic infrastructure and a glut of people with degrees.

http://www.ted.com/talks/mike_rowe_celebrates_dirty_jobs?language=en

>>681724432
HB1 visas and illegals. Feels good man.

Mostly shitty but high-schools have really declined in quality and needs some serious revamping.

it's good. when the citizens invest into education, we increase our nation's labor productivity so that we can afford a higher GDP per capita.

it's a necessary cost.

>but why should I pay for someone else's education
growing an economy requires investment. it's a group effort.

>>681724432
You seem to be speaking from experience here, so if I could ask you: would there be literally any benefit from getting my bachelor of commerce and then getting a trade with it?

Are there any scenarios where that would be useful?

>>681724112
I voted for Harper, but honestly it won't matter in the long run. All of them are going to fuck us over in some way.

Have you ever seen the difference between schools in Canada and the States? Being someone with multiple cousins in America, I definitely saw first hand how shitty a lot of your schools are compared to ours. I've me

>>681724432
First comment

> This man does a job for a day without having to live with the economic, health, and status implications that come with the job and pretends to tell me he knows something about their lives? His entire premise is bogus. But, then, I have an education and critical thinking skills that prevent me from accepting such a facile assessment. You may be able to tell me about the mechanics of the job, but unless you live the job, you can't tell me anything about these people's lives or satisfaction with their lives. So please keep to what you know and avoid such speculation.

pretty much this.

it is easy to say this if you were born with a nice education, and your mommy always put a dinner plate in your table
because you never had to worry about this problem, and how a shitty job would help you in order to get food (not even talking about maintaining a family)

>>681722705
My sides

>>681724705
More education isn't really a bad thing. You'll take some advance math and ideally exposed to multiple ways of viewing the world. However, its no longer ideal and you only get the white males are evil/liberal world veiw.

>>681721698
how awful

>>681721105
public private university

>>681724732
Have you seen the difference in the American GDP and Canadian?

>>681718462
Private Catholics schools are by far superior. You do realize some smart people send their children to these schools because they know they're better than public even though they're not Catholic. Look at the college graduation rates of kids that went to Catholic school vs public. I took religious at private school and I'd much rather have that than teachers that can't keep control of their classes nor teach. Private religious schools have the highest testing scores, most disciplined students thus having the highest college graduation rates.

>>681726438
I use to hear a lot of people say that catholic school girls were sluts, not that I'd ever know. But I wish I did.

>>681724705
Learn Logistics, too. Get a job in a warehouse and learn what it takes to get goods from here to there. Commerce is a broad field. Pick a part of it that you can get into, then do that. Do that after school and during the summers. Get in the right place and they might even help pay for your schooling. Imagine getting your degree and doing it nearly or completely debt-free and walking into that warehouse as the Boss.

aguante argentina boludo che

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>>681724798
As someone who has an actual "dirty job" and always has, I can tell you that that comment was full of shit.

There is great satisfaction in MAKING something that people will pay an assload of money for.

Pic related

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>>681715517

School bus driver here, I drive for a company that has the bus contract for a large, wealthy suburb of a city in the Midwest

Quality of the public schools varies wildly. Property taxes here are super high so tons of money gets funneled into the school system.

Sports is the #1 priority, especially football. The teachers' unions here are very powerful so most teacher salaries average 65 grand a year or more.

AMA if anyone's interested.

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>>681728192
More OC

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>>681728551
Why?