>>681679445
work -> money -> bitches

>>681679445
Its something to do. It also balances the good times with the bad.

>>>/r9k/

Cause is inevitable. If you want primary shit like food, you must hunt, plant&collect, farm... and thats work. But you can swap that work for one more specialized and just spend your money on that shit.

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>>681679445
Because it's 2016 and the gap between the poor and those who work are larger than older times.

>>681680180
Is* my bad

People work in order to pay for the people who don't work's lives

>>681679445
There's a difference between work and employment. I've spent most of my life unemployed -- but I work very hard, and always have. I'm 48 years old and all my possessions can fit in a single backpack. I have no savings, no investments, no car, and no mortgage. I own nothing of value. But I'm also someone who is widely respected in my field and have a Wikipedia article written about my accomplishments. Because what I do is harmful to capitalism and the money men who rule the world, there is simply no way to be paid for what I do; in fact, I live in a bare, unfinished basement in a century-old factory with no fridge, no stove, and no shower, sleeping on an old piece of foam, so that I can spend what little money I do have on my work.

"The community has no bribe that will tempt a wise man. You may raise money enough to tunnel a mountain, but you cannot raise money enough to hire a man who is minding his own business. An efficient and valuable man does what he can, whether the community pay him for it or not. The inefficient offer their inefficiency to the highest bidder, and are forever expecting to be put into office. One would suppose that they were rarely disappointed." -- Henry David Thoreau, _Life Without Principle_

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Where am I located?
Bet you can't pull GPS data from this

>>681680460
If it doesn't fuck with you, what is your work exactly?

>>681679952
Even steal food from others are work

but some people for example homeless have never worked and yet they survive what differs them from people who do work, what is the driving urge that pushes some forward it can't be just money and bitches in every case

>>681681208
Trolling

>>681680460

yet your on the internet, get real

>>681681390
highly paid profession

>>681680030
Thanks for that anon. Will check out more of Mr. Fuller's theories

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>>681681208
I organize grassroots unions, specifically people who make their money on the street: panhandlers, buskers, scrappers, pickers, and so on. These days I am renovating an old building to be the home of a hobo museum and cultural centre to keep alive the traditions and memory of the roads.

>>681681461
This is me in the pic. My Wikipedia article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Nellis

>>681680736
You are retarded, I bet you can't pull hair from my ass after I waxed it

>>681681856
I dont believe it!

>>681680030

Wow. That last paragraph or line or whatever just shook my perspective a little, thanks anon, I was starting to feel no one felt the same.

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>>681682276
Don't believe what? That I am who I say I am? Here, this is another picture of me. Reverse image search it. Nothing will turn up.

>>681681856
>Wikipedia
>Last edited 23 hours ago by Anonymous.

>>681682456

i found your youtube channel what are u up to

Is it wrong that I want to do art and music shit all the time instead of work these gay ass fucking meaningless 9 to 5's that feel like a gigantic waste of time especially for under 40k a year?

>>681682923
imo no

>>681682482
Son, I understand that you're suspicious of anyone making any claims on 4chan, but I've spent the last 25 years in the public eye. There's plenty of stuff about me in lots of different media. I was on the cover of every newspaper in the country as recently as last year. I've hosted two radio shows and run for public office.

>>681682597
I have an account on YouTube, but I don't think I've ever posted anything there. Are you talking about the OPU account? That's not me, these days I'm with the Street Labourers of Windsor, not the OPU.

>>681682456
Now i believe it! Good luck!

>>681679445
Diogenes is the OG fuck society

>>681680180
The vast majority of poor people also work, so I don't really know what your argument is here.

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>>681683210
Thanks. I didn't post here to boast, just to show OP the difference between work and employment, and that you can be a very hard worker without ever being employed. And vice versa. In fact, the two are almost mutually exclusive these days; those who work hardest make the least, while those who get the money money do the least work while causing the most harm.

"We see that the richest property owners . . . are precisely those who work the least or who do not work at all. It is evident to anyone who is not blind about this matter that productive labor creates wealth and yields the producers only misery, and it is only non-productive, exploiting labor that yields property. What is property, what is capital in their present form? For the capitalist and the property owner they mean the power and the right, guaranteed by the State, to live without working. And since neither property nor capital produces anything when not fertilized by labor--that means the power and the right to live by exploiting the work of someone else. The right to exploit the work of those who possess neither property nor capital and who thus are forced to sell their productive power to the lucky owners of both." -- Mikhail Bakunin

>>681679445

I work so I can sustain myself, because being a parasite and having to rely on others would kill me inside.

>>681682923
>>681683063
Lol thanks god we have people actually working and feeding your useless asses

>>681683944
This is absolutely true though

I'm this guy >>681684390

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I think the desire to know more, explore, create and self improve is coded in our bodies. Those who think it's pointless to do anything and have no will to work are coded poorly, bugged. It's an illness of a sort.

>>681682923

There are more than 8 hours in a day. I work a day job and make music and play in my bands in the evening. One does not exclude the other.

In fact, my day job allows me to buy the instruments and software I need to make my music. I wouldn't have gone half as far without it.

>>681684390
What is it you do again? Doorknob polisher? Paperwork signer? Computer toucher? Thanks for doing the critical jobs that those lazy artists aren't doing. You are single-handedly saving society, and in doing so, filling all our lives with meaning.

>>681680030
Why would those 1 in 10,000 want to work their ass off so the other 9,999 can sit on their ass? whats the incentive.

>>681679445
>681682832
So they do not starve you hapless Bern Victim

>>681684743
Are you aware that monkeys go on strike? You can train a monkey to do a certain task for a reward of bread. But if you have a number of monkies and start giving one monkey peanuts to do the same task (they much prefer peanuts to bread), the other monkies will refuse to do any more tasks until they, too, receive peanuts.

A sense of fairness is hard-coded into all animals, and especially so into primates. The more intelligent you are, the more likely you are to have strong empathy and need for justice. When we see that those who do no work get the richest, while those who work the hardest get paid nothing but misery, it is perfectly natural -- and just -- for people to refuse to do any more work.

>>681684859
Idk about that guy, but I work in the medical field.
I would say most people in STEM fields are contributing and worth more to society then an artist of sorts.

>>681684390
Carpenter

Some people enjoy their work

>>681685903
fuck off

>>681684859

>>681685806
Sorry meant for you :

I'm a carpenter and you're lucky I'm there to kill my health to build the shitty house you'll be living in drawing and fucking bitches

>>681679445

ITT unemployed trash criticises those who sustain them.

>>681680460
Thanks for the new copy pasta

>>681684827
This. If you can't balance your passions with your work then they weren't your passions after all

>>681686017
there is this thing where people succumb to the system, identify with their new worth in the ant colony and then proceeds to shame the people that are still fighting against the slavery.

you might have a little of that, friend.

>>681686185
thanks, wagecuck!

>>681681856
So your just your average hipster with a very cool hobby.

>>681686837
You're*. sorry bout that

>>681686634
Well gotta put food on the table for the children m8

>>681687035
yeah, I get that. sorry man, thanks for building shit for us, seriously.

>>681686634
Also he isn't fighting against the slavery, I could say the wikipedia guy up there does
But he just wants to not work and enjoy arts and shit; why would he deserve that more than anyone else ? The crops aren't gonna get in the ground by themselves

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>>681686837
Except I was unhip before being unhip was hip.

Our society isn't exactly efficient at the moment. I mean the best way we have of keeping the economy going is to consume random crap and benefit from the little drive that creates.

I think we work to get along, we would get competitive, unbalanced, and fight if we didn't. This only applies to our current culture, I'm not saying this is naturally and inevitable. Of course countries are different, some have better quality of life, some have nationalist pledges and some have a suicide problem.

>>681679445
I need money.

>>681681367

Ate you claiming all homeless people have never worked?

>>681687244
Also I'm completely okay with people working for freeing ourselves from this complete shithole that is capitalism, definitely

>>681680030
Or instead of thinking you're a little special snowflake you can go work, make money, then proceed to be a somebody

>>681687283
Where do you operare?

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>>681687283
Keep fighting the good fight brother!

>>681687903

What makes someone somebody?

>>681688009
Operate DAMN IT MY THUMBS

>>681679445
Do you enjoy having a TV? Internet? Food? Porn? All of that involves work. Quit being a lazy, entitled faggot and get a job.

>>681688056
I think communism was completely perverted in URSS and could have been great
Sadly the leaders that end up leading are always the most greedy bastards and the pure ones always get stepped on because they're playing too fair

>>681679556
Basically this.

I mean okay, I'm kind of the guy who couldn't sit at home so I'd probably do something anyway even if I wouldn't need any money.

>>681688136
Leaving an impact. Even if it's just your kids. They will tell more about you than a lot of other things. Work is what it is. Even the hipster hobo guy has made himself somebody. I work and leave behind albums upon albums of music you will never hear and a son that will hopefully figure life out way better than I have.

>>681688136
The desire to make the life of others around you that much better

If you lack that, then you should probably your life choices

>>681684909
they get more then the other people, like they'd be upper class and live way better then everyone else. plus, some people genuinely like doing that sort of thing.

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>>681688009
Originally, Ottawa. (Note Parliament Buildings in background.) These days, Windsor. I go where I'm needed, and Windsor is a 10 minute walk from downtown Detroit, so you know it's up shit's creek.

>>681688056
I used to identify as an anarchosyndicalist, but 25 years of actually having to work with reds, leftists, and campus radicals taught me that I do NOT want to share and share alike with people who are always there when you need someone to wave a flag in front of a camera or sign a bombastic manifesto, but evaporate the second there's boring and unglamorous organizing scut-work which absolutely has to get done. These days I identify as a mutualist anarchist, which is generally regarded as falling slightly right of centre.

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>>681679445
Because someone told them to work.
>yfw the corporations wouldn't exist without plebs to operate the cogs.

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>>681688601
rethink is the word I missed, tis been a long day at work

>>681688437
I blame Lenin for the USSR becoming a dictatorship. The Soviets were mostly council communist before he took power. If Lenin hadn't perverted the worker's revolution, they could've had true communism in not only Russia but Ukraine (which had a sizable anarchist communist army that Lenin suppressed).

>>681688437
preatty much life in a nutshell

>>681682923

Art serves a good portion of our gross income. Think about how many artists are employed to make a movie, a brand, or a video game. Companies need logos, commercials need jingles, movies need sounds tracks.

Art for the most part serves itself, it doesn't really help people besides to entertain or intrigue. But coca cola would unlikely be the company it is if it weren't for artists creating their ads.

And then there are architects, people who bridge the gap between art and function. They create art that people can live in.

>>681688879
Eh, any variety of anarchism is good with me, as long as it's not "anarcho"-capitalism, which I don't consider to be anarchism.

>>681688561
Things that leave an impact are often not payed well enough to sustain a living.
You got to leave an impact and be able to sell it to live from it. Two entirely different things.

>>681684909
People can be pretty creative when they got nothing to do but are well fed. They'll make their own job just for the hell of it.

>>681689117
Always been taught it was Stalin
Great to have some insights from someone over there

I love Ukraine actually, planning to visit someday

>>681689424
In cut and dry this is this and that is that, explain anarchism to me because dude said he was just right of center and I feel like that's where I'm at. I've seen the term thrown around on here lately with all the political threads and I'm kinda curious now

>>681688561
>>681688601
How do either of those descriptions of being a somebody correlate to the original
>go work, make money, then proceed to be a somebody

You can make an impact and make others lives better without making money or falling into this 9-5 system.

So they can not be a faggot and contribute to society

>>681687600
What would be a better system?

>>681689538
Impact guy. Dude was talking about being somebody. Some of the best somebodies through out history were dirt poor. Just saying. I agree with what you said too

>>681689789
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism

>>681688786
You'd think if these select few are carrying society they would be well above everyone else, and how would they be above other people if no one else is producing anything worth value for them?

>>681689807
I think it still needs to be sorted out

First of all not only the richest countries should have interest in the worldwide trade, but all countries, which would mean to suppress the countries totally ? That would mean no more wars, everything becomes everyone's

Suppress the capitalistic possession of all the capital by only the 1%

Turn the world into a place where merit has it's place and is rewarded

But this is only dreams

>>681689538
>People can be pretty creative when they got nothing to do but are well fed. They'll make their own job just for the hell of it.

Yeah people get bored. My dad couldn't spend a day just doing nothing. When he has time of he's always tinkering or fixing something

>>681688918
The device you are on, the internet you use, ect, ect would not exist with out the coporation you are bitching about.

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>>681689789
The word "anarchism" comes from the Greek anarkos which means, literally, "without rulers." It doesn't mean without rules, without laws, or disorder. It spans the entire left/right spectrum from the anarchocommunism of Piotr Kropotkin and Mikhail Bakunin on the left to the ultra-individualist and egoist anarchism of Lysander Spooner and Benjamin Tucker on the right. The other anon was correct, however, that so-called "anarcho-capitalists" aren't really anarchists. They just want to replace the State with equal or greater oppression by the rich, and is really a form of minarchism.

>>681679445
Ah Diogenes of Sinope, I love the guy. But just so you know, he was a student, and a teacher, and he gained respect through knowledge obtained by working hard for years, and studying for all his life. Being a philosopher was a job back then, and that applies even to an oddball like Diogenes.

>>681690764
you don't seem to understand very much about Diogenes. the last thing he would call philosophy is a job

>>>/reddit/

>>681690338
In an ideal world sure. Society can not make leap and bounds like that though,we can slowly progress to those ideals but how do you strip the capital from the 1% without heavy government influence and how do you keep said government from being corrupted once it is so large and so much power. So in the short term and I mean decades, what would be better then capitalism?

>>681690685

According to Plato, Democracy is disorder by itself and is usually succeded by a tyrant.
Anyway, he considers the "golden souls" and philosopher kings aristocrats, so I guess words do change their meaning over time.

>>681690991
He was teaching a rich man's kid for a living, a knowledge he obtained through hard work. He was giving people advice for food and even though he was kynism to the max, he couldn't really realize his philosophy completely as he was still dependent on the will of others. It doesn't really matter how disgusted he was by the uselesness of others, it was still a job back then.

>>681691756
Diogenes' level of asceticism is akin to that of Buddha or Lao. Do you think they did it for a "job"?

>>681691488
Anarchism isn't democracy. One of the most important tenets of most proposed systems of anarchism is that the amount of "say" anyone gets in any decision is directly proportional to the amount that decision will affect them. Many different ideas have been proposed for how to fairly divvy up this executive power, ranging from ParEcon to worker syndicates, but they all share that tyranny by majority is no better than any other sort of tyranny.

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Money mostly, if not that then either boredom and/or they really enjoy their work.

>>681680030
>tfw you literally are QA for your QA team

It's nice to not have to do shit, but really would rather be... well.. nothing, there is nothing else I would rather be doing at the moment.

>>681690626
we'd be better off

Because nothing gets done without labor, you fucking degenerate

>>681692120
But that's not what I said anon. I said he needed to work hard to earn his food, and the work he was doing back then was considered a job regardless of his personal view towards said work. When Plato's followers asked him what he thought about motion being imaginary, and him responding with walking in a circle, it was still an academic work he was presenting (and which earned him a food btw). He refused the standard job of a teacher in academy, but he was still a teacher and got paid for it as any other philosopher working under an academy back then. Later in life he just begged for food, but due to his reputation the people of Athens were feeding him out of their benevolence, while still asking for his rich knowledge, so in the end it was basically a trade which he wouldn't realize without the hard work.

>>681686185
I haven't seen anyone here criticizing their parents you dumb fuck.

>>681692374
The looping of that video makes it look really cruel and disturbing.

>>681692849
>Spoken like a true working-class pleb

>>681694331

BREATHE YOU LITTLE SHIT!

Hopefully it's ok, I assume it's just pushing a little air inside it and the need stick (needle?) is to hold it in position

>>681691296
I don't know man, I don't have the capabilities and knowledge to work that out, it's immensely complicated and also the rich will do all they can to keep their possessions and power
Governments have power but they are crooked by the lobbies and they can't do anything now, it's over, we lost

The only thing that could save it all is the ruin of the world, but then it'll be a world just like Soylent Green, go watch that movie it's awesome
Seriously I think mankind is fucked, just try to live it out the best and help others, if everyone does that maybe it'll work out in the end

>>681688786
How would they be upper class? If everyone is isn't working, then they wouldn't be able to pay that 1 out of 10,000. So they wouldn't be able to get monetary compensation. So what would they get? Why wouldn't they just keep their inventions for themselves and let every other lazy fuck starve?

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>>681693169
Yep, this anon gets it. He was misanthropic as fuck, but people loved him for it. He rejected everything but nature and virtue, but he still had to eat. Someone sold into slavery by pirates would never make the mistake of claiming there can be life without work.

The Jews did this.

>>681692374
What is going on in that gif?

>>681692711
Then get off the internet and go do something useful. Fucking hypocrite

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>2016
>being a wagecuck

>>681696726

A demonstration of it's natural ability to scare away predators or attract a mate?

>>681695531
Yah ill check it out. Wasn't expecting you to have answer. Just speculation and theory's is all.

Really I think less government is need. All of the heavy regulations helps out large corporations and hinders new entrepreneurs and small buisnness.
Also fuck lobbyist and the federal reserve.

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>>681679445
Why do I work?
I'm a therapist. I try to clean the emotional gore off of little children so that they don't rot up inside.
I gotta try and leave something better for the future of humanity.

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>>681696899
Good job living in your car and working a trade plumber/electrician/contractor while pretending you're not also a wage slave.

>>681695531
Actually that's quick thinking because regulation are what prevent those huge companies from just taking over the world
We've seen a wave of liberalism since the 1980's and they try their best to make us think it's for our good but all those regulations were put in place after the 2nd world war with Keynes theories in mind and really improved worker's conditions, life conditions, health, quality of life, free time, holidays, all that was put in place through regulation !

If you want to know what the world would look like before regulation, check out the working conditions during the industrial revolution, they were working 13 hours a day, children labour wasn't illegal, no obligation of schooling, little food, not paid overtime, no holidays, no social security
It was hell, man, just read about industrial revolution for a bit and you'll realise why we need regulations

>>681698522
>>681697111
Woops, missed the right person to answer again!

>>681697004
What species does it belong to?

>>681698663

No clue

>>681680030
Before somebody told me I had to earn a living, I was making shit. Now I make shit and get paid for it, and then make more worthless shit in my spare time

>>681679445
Bronze aged man only had to work 4 hours a day to sustain him and his family, He could use the rest of that time to do as he pleased. I always found that put things into perspective

>>681699326
There was also about 8x fewer humans during the bronze-age as well.

>>681698866
Unfortunately I don't. Basically I clean up the mess others leave behind.
I learned to weld as a part time beside university to actually partake in making something, but currently I'm fixing broken stuff that could still be okay if people weren't morons.

>>681688879
holy crap is detroit ever a crap hole

>because money
>because fuck you

>>681690685
..........sooo I can be Arched?! A new nemesis!

>>681699598
Yes, and no super crops or advanced farming machinery and far less than an 8th of the land that is used nowadays for agriculture (Most land was still forests/flood plains) but they coped just fine

>>681679445
Based Diogenes, the original /b/tard. When Alexander the great asked him what he wanted out of all his empire, Diogenes just told him to stop blocking his sunlight.

Enjoy the little things in your short time here because the beggar and the emperor will end up in the same place one day.
Ggg

>>681699940
Yeah, also because it had to be this way for them to survive, people were much more community minded back then. Your village, your tribe, they were pretty much your family. Everyone cared for one another and helped take care of those less fortunate. Nowadays, you're lucky to know half the people on your street, and most people are far more self-centered than back then.

>>681698820
How often do you change your underwear?

>>681684909
This guy gets it