dont bite you faggots.

I'm an atheist and I find the christian storys fckng retarded, good that we live in a world where everyone can have his own opinion!

Chain of Causality, developed and expanded on by Thomas Aquinas, said that nothing can come from nothing, and something can only come from something else. He supposed that if you trace the universe back to one source, it will be God.

If something exists, something else must have existed before it in order to create it.

So who created God?

shittiest troll attempt recently
btw
christians , if god exists why you fap to gay nigger porn while your grandparents are watching you from heaven ?

>>681656961
MODS PLS BAN THIS ASSHOLE ALREADY

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>>681656961
You seriously still believe in God? Really? Have you not noticed how the IQ of the average atheist is much higher than that of a christian? Don't you think that might be a little indickative of a trend. Besides the bible also says you should stone women/gays/homosexuals etc so apparently you also approve of killing people for NO GOOD REASON. literally everyone is an atheist now, if you're still a christian you're very unenlightened and underintelligent. asking the god doesn't exist question has been done a million times and yes THIS ONE YOURE RIGHT ABOUT. but theres like a million reasons to no believe in a phony ass god. Literally evolution/the big bang/philosophy/etc just do a little research and u will find that God is just some dumbass made up thing. Atheism is the natural state of things please enlighten urself and stop being such an idiot retard on the internet.

>>681657182

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_chain_of_being

>>681657186

if OP doesn't answer this question, or at least give logic to it, then he should be an atheist

>>681657186
Well if you dont think God exists, then who or what created the universe? I dont think having to be created is a necessary condition for existence because the universe was likely uncreated in a nontheistic model

>>681656961
b8

>>681657186
god exists outside of the confines of time, that's the whole idea of how he exists transcendent of creation

>>681657665
also Im not OP but ill play devil's advocate, ironically lol

>>681657665

Explain. Why God should be exempt from the rule of causality? Are we just supposed to take your word for it even when you provide no logic?

>>681657665
Also, I never said I don't think God exists. I have only been asking you questions.

not sure if sarcastic troll or attention whore.

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>>681656961
Nigger faggot

>>681657706
If God were to exist outside the confines of time, which dimension does he exist in? Anything above the 3rd dimension has no time. If he's in the 4th dimension, is he not being controlled by a God in the 5th dimension and so on?

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>>681656961
Explain the incompatibility of Free Will versus the Divine Plan.

>Protip: You can't

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>>681656961
>I am a Christian
>All of you are sheep that can't think for yourselves
kek

>>681656961
The Neverending Shitposting

>>681657981
Can you use that in a sentence please?

>>681657822
Heres my argument as follows.
1)The universe is uncaused according to scientific models
2)The universe exists
3)The universe potentially exists without being caused
4)God can potentially exist without being caused

>>681657822
Either God has always existed and operates free from time, and therefore has no beginning and no end or the universe does.
Perhaps God was created and at the moment of his creation, so too was his past, as he came into being he had always been there and will always be there in the future (never ending story reference)

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I exist my child but am disappointed that you make threads instead of anything useful for your fellow man.. go forth away from this evil and never return.

You wouldn't like me when I am angry...

SMASH!

>>681658318
They're nothing but nigger faggots here

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>>681658335

Must you niggers bite EVERY FUCKING TIME this bot casts this exact same bait 50 times a day every fucking day. Are you incapable of just setting down the fedora for one fucking second to realize this guy is just trolling for (you)s.

God damn son have some self respect.

>>681658335
Here is my counter:
1) Our universe is bound by time and space. As time goes by, the more it expands.
2) Anything that exists in time has an age.
3) The universe has an age, therefore it must have had a beginning.
4) If it had a beginning, something pre-existent to the universe must have caused it. Something must always come from something.

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I got your god right here

>>681658335
The only things that are uncaused are eternal. That's the riddle here. God is eternal. I just won your argument for you. Now fuck off.

>>681659099
> that which lies eternal can never truly die
> for in strange eons even death may die

>>681657186
Who or what created the big bang then?

>>681658808
>something pre-existent to the universe must have caused it. Something must always come from something.
so, that something is god. bravo anon. you reached the answer.

but, what is existence?
is creator a part of existence? there should be a difference between them? don't you think?

your mere minds are just thinking god as a creature. no, god is creator. god is different what he/she creates.

>Christian
>Not being a mindless sheep
Even the fucking bible treats you as that

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>>681657444
>talking about how he's more intelligent than OP
>spells it "indickative"

>>681658808
There are a few issues with your response.
Time is relative.
It is only postulated that the universe began with the big bang. It wasnt the case, according to scientific models, that it just came to be from nothing, so the age of the universe really only qualifies the universe youre aware of. Before that, we know nothing.
Ultimately, there is nothing to indicate the universe even has to function causally. At the level of quantum mechanics, we no reason to suspect that the principle of nature is causal. Perhaps its probabilistic. We really dont know enough to qualify the universe along any of these dimensions

For the record, I believe in God. I'm just not a Christian, because it is illogical. God does not intervene in the real world, because he is immaterial and eternal -- the only two reasons why he is logically able to exist and have created the universe. Immaterial and eternal things cannot exist in this universe, thus, God cannot affect us.

>>681659150
muh nigga

Forget this fag. Anyone want to debate me on Capitalism vs Communism?

My personal belief is that true free market capitalism is better than communism and can achieve all the same goals without the need for an oppressive government

>>681656961
True christians do not debate
Cancer thread 0/10

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>>681658248
This

Does anyone want to talk about gun control? I think the right to bear arms is a universal human right, not just a constitutional right

>>681659687
I disagree on the basis that capitalism isnt an ethical system. Its not aimed at the wellbeing of its people. A business is not being bad as a business if it dumps all of its waste in a forest or provides terrible working conditions, or undercuts all of its competitors and monopolizes an industry or collection of industries. Sometimes it so happens that businesses are providing a social good and often this is the case. Socialism aims to account for all of that.
Also this isnt about communism.

Are you a cat person or a dog person? Which is better?

>>681656961
congratulations on spreading your psychosis and collectively ruining the lives of your "friends"

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>>681659939
a coat for anon

>>681660036
regardless of whether it aims for that, under true market capitalism, the quality of life surely rises for those under it.

Dumping waste I dont have an answer for, but terrible working conditions are subjective, surely? The way they work in china is bad to us, but to them it's normal. And they probably view our workers as pampered

>>681656961
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>>681660282
If quality of life is subjective then how can any system claim to provide a better quality of life.

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>>681659699
Dubs are facts

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>>681656961
You won't convert me, because you don't have any evidence that I will accept.

Every possible argument that you can make relies ultimately on the Bible. But there's nothing special about the Bible. It's just another book, written entirely by humans.

So, if you want to convert me, you have to start by convincing me that the Bible ISN'T just another book--that it's divinely inspired. And there's no way you can do that without basing your argument on the Bible itself. Circular reasoning means you lose.

/thread

>>681660467
quality of life isn't subjective, but whether the conditions at one particular workplace are good or bad is subjective.

If I open up a sweatshop and somebody else opens up a normal workplace next door to me (allowable under true free market capitalism, disallowed by "capitalist" nations today), why would anyone want to work for me?

OP posts the same shitty bait every goddamn hour and the same retards keep fucking biting it

never change, /b/

>>681659463
pretty sure that was bait.

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/b/ is going to love this. 28.4.16 Day op was not a fag http://expirebox.com/download/8ff52e0d5c5058f688099956ccbd0c2e.html <3

>>681660876
my god, fuck off already. Kill yourself.