you should never be forced into motherhood, dont want a baby and youre contraception failed? have an abortion.

>muh human bean

>>681347073
Abortion tends to refer to the point at which the fetus is a living organism
This whole "my body my choice" thing the absolute definition of foawed logic, as by the time you abort it, it's already a separate developing body of it's own
I'm not even religious and I'm thoroughly against murdering babies. Also fuck the easy way out, the only people who get abortions are entitled little shits who think they can get by fucking everything and paying no consequences

>>681347073
It's important in controlling the birthrate of poor people.

>>681348716
How do you feel about eating meat?

>>681347073
Who fucking cares? A woman should have the choice to flush it out whether other faggots like it or not. If it's done early enough it's just a clump of cells.

Although, late term abortions should only be reserved if the mother's life is endangered, the fetus is severely disabled, and not expected to live long outside the womb.

>>681348927
They will breed, and the unfed yet fertile masses will be your end. Begone , whitey

>>681349025
But come on how much does it suffer compared to an actual animal?

>>681347073
Also, debating abortion on fucking /b/ is futile and retarded. It's not like most of you faggots will ever get the chance to impregnate a woman anyway.

>>681347073
I am a man so my opinion should have no bearing whatsoever. That being said the only reason it's illegal anywhere is religious beliefs. I believe in the separation of church and state therefore I believe it should be a right of the woman to choose. And I'm a religious conservative

>>681348716
You are the one who's mistaken. It is scientific not considered a living organism until it is born. Get rekt

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>>681349319
wut

>>681349571
nonsense

>>681347073
Is it just coincidence that crime dropped dramatically 18 years after the Roe v. Wade decision? Abortion is legal because it serves the greater good whether you like it or not.

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>>681349662
Great response!

> no aborshinz cuz feelz
> SJW
> kill thyself

>>681347073
Postnatal abortion should be legal up to 3 months, sadly it isn't.

>>681349861
This

>>681347073
i'm all for it. maybe it shuold even be mandatory. i'm ok with it up to the 6th trimester.

>>681349837
Life begins at conception.

>>681349861
>This is what non vegan actually believe

>>681349861
more like 17 years

Keep it legal. At a minimum up until it would be viable outside the womb. And I'm not talking a 1% chance viable. I mean actually viable.

Until that umbilical cord is cut or the placenta detatches, it's a part of your body. We have so much legal right to control our bodies that it's illegal to harvest our organs after we die unless we specifically say so. So everybody needs to just back the fuck off.

And what various states are doing right now to defund planned parenthood and to regulate clinics out of existence is just appalling.

>>681350184
4/10 only because it took me this long

>>681350283
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>>681350184
>Life begins at conception.

something like 90% of all conceptions end in tragedy, with most people never realizing they were pregnant.

you're dumb

>>681347073
what if you were aborted?

People trying to get away from the consequences of their actions, and forgetting about the negative implications they have on other people's lives (yes the fetus is a person).
While saying murdering is acceptable because that baby is living off that mother. Yet in reality it's an unreasonable decisions considering:
-A having a baby isn't permanent.
-B the creation of the baby was the repercussions of both parent's actions not one.
-C killing someone is not a justifiable trade for living off someone.

>>681350639
It was bait newfriend

>>681350769
so was that fag

Have one if you want one. Morality has nothing to do with it. No one's life matters, get over it.

>>681350755
Non sequitur

Try again

>>681350852
Mad?

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>>681349694

In this ITT:
trolls and newfags

>>681350755
What if you were never born?
#force people to have more children

>>681347073
>start to develop
>human consciousness

pick one

>>681350639
Life begins at conception idiot you were wrong

>>681350283

I'm with this guy.

>>681351066
0/10

>>681350878
Illogical in what way? Saying that someone's life shouldn't be taken away because the person who had the baby couldn't control them selves. While stating the defence of holding them in for 9 months is incomparable to killing that person unjustifiably.

>>681347073
Murder.

The director of a zoo is entitled to "put down" a chimpanzee that is surplus to requirements, while any suggestion that he might "put down" a redundant keeper or ticket-seller would be greeted with howls of incredulous outrage. The chimpanzee is the property of the zoo. Humans are nowadays not supposed to be anybody's property, yet the rationale for discriminating against chimpanzees is seldom spelled out, and I doubt if there is a defensible rationale at all. Such is the breathtaking speciesism of our Christian-inspired attitudes, the abortion of a single human zygote (most of them are destined to be spontaneously aborted anyway) can arouse more moral solicitude and righteous indignation than the vivisection of any number of intelligent adult chimpanzees! ... The only reason we can be comfortable with such a double standard is that the intermediates between humans and chimps are all dead.

>>681350755
What if I were aborted?

>i'd never know the difference
>my potential mother might be happier if that's what she thought was right at the time
>ditto for my potential father
>i'm a fairly apathetic and selfish person anyway, so no real loss to the world

So to answer your question: Win-Win.

I know it was probably just b8 m8, but that's a stupid argument which is used by moronic assholes that believe in a "soul".

>>681351513
"What if you were aborted?"

That's a logical fallacy

Try again

>>681351066
Which one are you?

>>681351506
-5/10

I know that you're a failed one, OP.

>>681351772
0/10

>>681349124
You'd think conservatives would be in favor of abortion...

Abortion should be fucking mandatory, at least until we can curb the population a bit. Not even trolling. There are far far far too many fucking people in this world and making more of them is fucking stupid and irresponsible.

Whenever I see a woman with two young kids and a third one percolating in her belly, I just tell myself hopefully they'll all be wiped out in a car accident.

Tl;dr - Pregnancy is murder.

>in b4 edgy/bismuth/etc

9/11
Everyone can do what they want a person having a baby or not is not your problem so stop bitching about it.

>>681352303
It is our problem if our government suppresses our right to do so

>>681351308
Yes it does start at conception, and nobody cares. Not even the religious nut-jobs. I do not see them motion for fetuses to get the same rights as full grown babies in other area of discourse. Only when it is about abortion it suddenly matters. That is just hypocritical and it shows their viewpoint has nothing to do with conviction and everything with the desire to force their point of vies onto others.

>>681349662
I am a religious person but I also have common sense and a high intelligence comparatively. I'm no Einstein by any means but I do know one thing. I will never have an abortion. I will never give birth. I have a penis. My wife carried our baby and I never mentioned anything about it when we found out. Not because I wanted to sway her decision in any way, but because it was not my choice to make in the end. I'm glad we had our son. It was the best thing to ever happen to me. I might would be angry if she aborted. But in the end that's not my choice. As far as the govt goes. If the Republican Party could just stop basing their policy so much on religion and stop with the whole gay/abortion/sex laws that are literally only based on religion then literally everyone could get along and move forward.

>>681352266
you are far from wrong

I say up to age 5 you should be allowed to abort

>>681352469
I believe it should be the woman's choice if the man also has the legal right to opt out of child support, otherwise that's just giving women even more reason to anchor men with more financial burdens

>>681351643
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The statement "What if you were aborted?" was referring to you being aborted instead of being alive today. You'd be dead because your very existence would be stopped prematurely compared to what it's expanded to today.

The argument that's meant to bring up is if murdering someone is superseded by someone's right to ownership.

Even if you want to die, that doesn't mean I have the initial right to kill you whenever i want.

>>681352671
This

>>681351594
This is extremely well-put and thought out.

>>681352734
No matter how many times you rephrase it, it will continue to be a logical fallacy

>>681352456
They are religious fags and they think it is murder

>>681352469
You can be a man and still want to protect the foetus. The foetus is a new organism, not the property of the mother. So some people want to stop the mother killing the innocent foetus.
Of course I don't care since we kill animals all the time. At this point what difference does it make?

>>681352671
I agree. If a woman wants to keep a kid there should be a legal means for the father to opt out especially if he can show that it would have been in the best interests of both involved to get an abortion. No woman should be able to ruin a man. But on that same note in some of those situations the child would literally suffer if the extra aid want there. People just need to stop having babies before they know they're ready. It's not that fucking hard. Use birth control or don't fuck. I mean srsly cmon! The worst is Catholic Mexicans. And Catholics in general. No birth control and the schedule method. Horse shit. Sorry. I vented.

>>681347073
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DP0nIFSIxc&feature=youtu.be

>>681347073
Brain cells start developping sometimes before the women realise she's pregnant. Argument invalid

>>681347073
In a guy. I can't get an abortion. So I don't care. Let the women figure that one out for themselves.

Sorry, forgot to introduce myself! haha! =D Hi! Few things to start off with =] 1. Yes I added you because you're a female gamer, 'tis an awesome thing to see! 2. I'm Brian. 3. Don't be intimidated, but I'm not a stereotypical guy. If anything, I'll be the one in the kitchen =D.

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>>681353280
>not wanting to protect innocent unborn children from degenerate coon baby killers
Into the Fire you go

>>681348716
This argument might hold water if a fetus really was an independent and separate entity, but it isn't. Maybe if we had some kind of magical machine like an artificial womb that could scoop a fetus out of a woman and bring it to term all on its own, then we could say that there is no reason to have an abortion, but until that happens women will still find themselves in situations where they can't realistically bring a child to term and the only alternative is to end the pregnancy.

Even if you think it's absolutely immoral, you can't tell a person what they can and can't do to their own body. I mean, you can try, you can make abortion illegal as fuck but women in situations where they just can't afford to be pregnant will still find ways to not have babies when they find themselves accidentally pregnant, and there's almost nothing you can realistically do to stop it. When abortion is made illegal it doesn't prevent a significant number of abortions, it just means that those abortions will happen in less legal and more dangerous ways. In central and south american countries where abortion is illegal, women will just take medications marked 'do not take while pregnant' and hope for the best. Other times they might engage in strenuous physical activity and hope for a miscarriage. And you can't make miscarriages illegal because that unfairly penalizes women who legitimately miscarriage and lose a child they loved and cared for.

In the end there is just no practical way to prevent abortions, other than preventing unwanted pregnancies in the first place.

>>681347073
I couldn't care less what women want to do with the little parasites growing in them.
I don't like kids, so fuck it. Kill them all, not my problem.

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>>681353529
>wanting to protect the unborn so they can be born into a world of race mixing
Off to the cooler with you.

>>681347073
Morally wrong. You're killing a human with the excuse that he's "invading your body" when it's you who fucking put him there.

Get off my boat, this is private property.
But you sedated me and dragged me on board!
Doesn't matter. My boat, my rules. Into the ocean you go.

The main problem is sexual education. Until we tackle that, there will always be a need for abortions. If we actually taught teenagers that sex is fine, and we made contraception affordable and easy to get, this wouldn't be such an issue. So long as there's bible thumping asshats in this country though, we'll never make significant progress on sex ed

>>681353980
>when it's you who fucking put him there
>you impregnated yourself

U wot m8

When I and my first girlfriend were young we were self proclaimed masters of the pullout method. When we ran into trouble, there was no option for her. She didn't want to burden her life with a kid when she had just gotten freedom from our mother.

5 years later, the relationship was wrapping up. She went off the pill as an excuse to not sleep together anymore. Sure, that was going to work, we fucked with pure emotion. We broke up and I talk to her a few months later. She confessed that she ran into the same "problem" as before. This time without letting me know. As far as I'm concerned, she killed my child that time. God forbid it disrupt her current relationship with the ugliest motherfucker I'd ever seen. I would have taken the kid without a second thought.

I've seen both sides of it. I support Abortion because people are dumb as fuck and couldn't handle a kid without messing them up. On the other hand, I felt betrayed when one was one without my knowledge that was for sure mine.

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>fetus

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> morally
> muh social contrax

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Nice try, op, we all know youre samefagging

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Fetus Deletus

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Nice try, op, we all know its you

>>681354026
Religious conservative here. This!

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Op, come on now. Stop samefagging

>>681354083
Get over yourself. You can't claim ownership of a bunch of cells that aren't in your body

> kill yourself

>>681349667
Source?
Also do you account for changes in living standards or other mitigating factors such as increased crime reduction techniques

>>681354083
Deal with it. Its not growing inside you so it's technically not yours yet.

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Newfags detected

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Op you arent fooling anybody, you know.

>>681354244
I was Pregnancy Is Murder guy, and certainly not OP.

I wish /b/ would fucking bring back IDs so you can know who the fuck you're talking to in a thread.

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>>681354244
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>>681354133
>nihilism

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Op, you arent fooling anybody

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>>681347073
always acceptable

>>681354063
You and your buddy dragged him onto your boat.

>>681354026
>a need for abortions
Nope. You wanting something because it's convenient is not the same as you needing it.

>>681354582
> nihilism
> autist

You can only choose one

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Nice try op, we all know its you

>>681352734

If I never existed in the first place, then how could I be killed?

As far as I'm concerned, my mind is "me". I was not a collection of cells in some lady's belly.

>>681354153
9319 was mine. I'm the other guy he was replying to. Not the samefag

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>>681348716
clearly you do not know the troubles women deal with after abortion, if you did you would know that some are left feeling disgusted with themself, guilt inflicted by others, some cant bare children afterwards and sex isnt pleasing afterwards for some. its not a easy way out but it should be easier to deal with. id rather have a sensible woman that knows they arent ready for a child and come out sane from her choice

>>681354365
I assume he corrected for that too.
It was an economist who had a different view on what was behind record low crime rates.
He worked out people who would have been criminals got aborted. Win win

>>681354244
I'm the religious conservative guy. Like only 1 or 2 of those are mine and I'm not op.

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Op, you can stop, like seriously shut the fuck up

>>681354630
>doesn't understand the definition of the word "need"

>>681354980
0/10

you should never be forced into motherhood, dont want a baby and youre contraception failed? your fucking stupid make your friends with benefits/boyfriend use a condom or don't have sex.

>>681354304
>sex education
>condoms

Religious conservative, are ya?

Willing to conserve the objection to abortion, but progress past the "be fruitful and multiply" part?

I think moderate is the word you were looking for. Religious moderate.

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Op seriously, stop samefagging

>>681355358
stop bein massive homo nigger

>>681354827
Comparing the two possibilities side by side, at the time of your abortion you'd be dead, yet in contrast to the other possibility of you not getting aborted you'd be alive.

>>681354955
You assume
Without source
>thinks what he heard somewhere is beleivable because it already fits his view

>>681347073
All life dies, so those who CREATE life are responsible for its eventual death as well as all its suffering.

Abortion is merely an issue of timing.

>>681355160
I'm conservative on most parts. Like to the point where I'm ok with the poor dying in the street for their own choices taking them to that place. But I also feel like weed should be legal and the bible shouldn't run our govt. I am only responsible for myself and my family. Everyone else can fuck off a cliff if that's what they feel like they need to do as long as it doesn't infringe on my rights or damage my property

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Op stop samefagging

>>681355358
0/10

i think is morally wrong but like a lot of things i consider morally wrong, like killing animals to eat there meat, abortions are just too convenient to not be legal, meat i just too good of a source of protein to not eat it. thats my logic.

>>681355624
>conservative for the most part
>posts mostly liberal opinion

>>681355525
No, considering he was a professional economist and it's a highly cited paper I would assume he thought about and tried to correct for other factors.

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Kill'em all

>>681355485

Yeah, and if my dad jizzed on my mom's tits instead of in her twat I'd be dead (or not alive) that way too.

The point is that the original question is irrelevant, because there are quite nearly infinite ways in which I could have not been born, one of which happens to be an abortion.

(BTW, that's not a "special snowflake" argument, but a "complexity / shit happens" argument. Equally true for everyone.)

>>681355967
Do u evn libertarian?

>>681355837
Agree with you on abortion but I'm open to the idea that humans can live without meat.
A short sharp shock transition and a pleasant, more moral ever after

>>681356218
Dude you gotta stop replying to logical fallacies. You're just validating his autism

>>681355837
Agreed that fetuses are just too good and convenient not to eat

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>>681347073
Get fucked with your moral faggotry

>>681356028
Who is he or name one paper?
Or did you hear it from someone likeminded and you remember because it already justifies your view on abortion.
>maybe2egde

>>681347073

Don't like abortions? Don't have one.
Don't like abortions? Make access to contraception easier.
Don't like abortion? Educate people on how NOT to get pregnant from a young age (NH, which has the best sexual education in the US also has the lowest rates of unintended pregnancies and STI rates) (Take a guess which US states have the worst rates? Go ahead)
Don't like abortions? Tough shit. Religious fuckwittery is getting slowly but surely shoved out as a means of making laws not just in the US, but much of the civilized world.

Sucks to be a religious nutbag.

>>681356485
I imagine they'd be quite tender

It's the closest thing we have to eugenics. I think we should extend it and legalize infanticide and euthanasia, personally.

>>681347073
It's murder and should not be allowed unless the life of the mother is in danger
>dont want to get pregnant?
use protection, its easy
>Woman lied about using birthcontrol in order to get pregnant?
have the baby, prison time for mother, give the child to a foster family where it can get a better life than it would in a broken family
>got raped?
same as above, only the mother ofc does not get prison time and the rapist covers all medical cost plus compensation for any social/professional/emotional discomfort linked to the pregnancy

>>681355967
>muh binary thinking

>>681355624
That's not really conservatism, m8.

>>681356234
I'm the guy he was talking to. Right??? Liberals want all these feefee based policies that make sure everyone gets a participation trophy. I just want to be able to support my family and my family alone. The only taxes I should pay are for emergency services and infrastructure. And if you can't see that weed legalization and not dictating the govt based on religion wouldn't save a lot of trouble and money then you're stupid. And like I said. I'm no Einstein but I'm not stupid.

>>681356618
This

>>681356399
Eh, I know. Unfortunately he's not the only one with that autistic argument. I'd doing this for the benefit of the lurkers, and I suppose my own catharsis. (<- The only reason to post on /b/ in the first place).

>>681356618
I agree with everything you said. I'm the religious fuckbag. Lol

>>681356799
Oh yeah I know, I just wanted to point out to him that there's more than just liberal or conservative

>>681356666
This post is soooo not worthy of Satanic quads

>>681356952
He's still at it tho lol

>>681356952
Even being catharsis, this thread is more quality conversation than I've seen on /b/ in months

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I'm not a jack booted goose stepping nanny state worshiping christian supremacist so I don't really give a shit if you have kids or don't and what your personal choices are. They don't affect me, anyone I know or anything I'm doing.

Most people call that "liberal" for some reason. I call it refusing being a whiny pissy little bitch about other peoples business.

>>681356654
I am 100% with this guy.

"Eugenics" was made into an ugly word by fascism.

So long as it's the parents making the choice and not the state, it's A-OK in my book.

(Though to be fair, euthanasia does diddly-dong-ding-dong for the advancement of the species, neighborino).

I'm okay with it unless the fetus can survive outside the womb without any medical help.

>>681357279
Shut up nigger

>>681357368
Your post conflicts itself on soooooo many levels

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>>681347073

I think there are more important issues. I think third trimester abortions are very hard or impossible to justify, but first trimester abortions are difficult to justify banning.

>>681347073
I think if people were raised tight and we had mature adults making intelligent sexual decisions we wouldn't ever have a problem with abortions or STDs.

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>lol if you don't remember the name of the study that means it's not true
Look it up yourself idiot
I do not care what you think

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>>681356799
He said "libertarian", not "liberal". Huge fucking difference, guy.

>bullshit captcha just made me confess that sunflower seeds were peanuts the whole time. who knew?

>>681357465
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

>>681347073
>can you remember life as an embyro
no
so it doesnt fucking matter

>>681356218
Yes you wouldn't be alive in that instance but the question is if it's justified to stop your existence through a conscience decision that will take away your life. Something that can be prevented with the knowledge of it's repercussions or allowed to happen.

>>681356399
The illogical fallacy comes from how it's perceived to contradict it self by stating "what if you were aborted?" when you are still alive. Meaning you can't be aborted, and still be alive at the same time. That doesn't mean the value of a person is superseded by someone's ownership of property.

>>681357844
>2016
>not knowing sunflower seeds are peanuts
ISHIGGYDIGGYDOO

>>681357639
>more important issues

Agreed. Like bringing back IDs

>>681348211
Lol do you know what adoption is you retard

>>681347073
Once you're ok with killing babys does it really matter how old they are? I support abortion until the the 16th trimester.

>>681358215
WRONG fallacy, autist

>>681358600
Logical fallacies for days ITT

>>681357807
Well excuse me. I was only asking
Jeez

>>681356666
>>It's murder
it is not.and you do not think so as well. You are one of these hypocrites:
>>681352456

>>681349571
You are fucking retarded. Of course it's a living organism. Gtfo cancer. Don't deny science because it makes your beliefs easier. It's a living organism. What the argument is about is whether or not that Living organism matters at that stage in its life, and if a woman has the right to deny the organism the right to exist.

>>681347073
Pretty similar, I think that its alright until the baby can feel pain and after that only if the parents really can´t properly care for it because of poverty, the parents being mentally ill/extremely likely to neglect the child or in prison.
Health issues of the mother/child or it being a rape child have to make it be allowed at any point.

>>681356799
That's not even liberal.

>>681358952
> don't deny science
> denies science

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>>681354083
Odd, not Fag OP.
Was just telling my tale. Notice, I wasn't even bitter about it all. I never even mentioned getting her pregnant again a week before her wedding when her fiance was out of town. Same thing happened there but I figured the story was told without adding more.

130 replies vs. 48 posters, some of might be genuine. Since I'm not seeing tits with timestamps, I'll assume boys are trolling. Besides, women belong in the kitchen, not out in the world. It's a combination of two persons DNA, not just the egg depository who thinks the whole process is all about her. Even the bible says "She bore HIS child".

(You can't own a bunch of cells), when half are mine I can. I'll remember this feminazi viewpoint if I ever get sued for alimony. "But your honor, She claimed I had no ownership rights to what grew inside of her body even though I contributed sperm. Now that it's born, she wants my money to something I have no legal rights to. According to her I had no say since the cells were in her body. I respectfully choose to follow her wishes and continue to no longer participating due our previous verbal agreement."

>>681358952
Science is absolute. By the definition of life, and the definition of a fetus, a fetus is not alive. That is the scientific conclusion. You are the one denying science.

>>681357844
I can read. I was just elaborating on what the guy he was replying to by calling me a liberal.

>>681359281
Holy shit how are you guys not getting that I'm not liberal?!?

>>681347073
I am 100% pro-abortion. Not just pro-life, pro-abortion. It's essentially a benign form of voluntary eugenics in which unfit parents take themselves out of the evolutionary equation, at least temporarily.

Is it murder? I don't think so. But even if it was, I'd see it as a necessary evil.

>>681347073
abortion is just like killing

The Life, so the baby, is here when the ovule is fertilized

>>681360439
Not every living thing is a person, genius. A tumor is comprised of living cells. Does that make it immoral to excise it from your body?

>>681359793
What exactly is your definition of life? Because I would call anything that has the ability to eat, grow and reproduce alive. Which stage of growth the organism is in doesn´t matter.

>>681360997
> which stage of growth the orgnism is in doesn't matter

Let me guess, smoked weed through your bio classes?

Abortion is murder. If you don't want to have a baby then either don't fuck or use one of the 16897635239 methods of contraception.

>>681361238
Not him but
Not as to whether it's life or not

>>681360694
A tumor will never grow into a person.
>being this retarded

>>681361260
Murder is a legal term. Our legislation says that abortion does not fall under the legal scope of murder.

>shrekt

>>681361367
English plz

>>681361462
>implying future life has any relevance to this discussion
Imaginary people are imaginary, your point is invalid

>>681361238
Is a chick thats still in the egg any less alive than the fully grown chicken? You´re changing definitions to fit better into your own opinion.
Doesn´t mean you have to care about it though, even if its alive. Ants are alive too.

>>681361784
Project moar

You're the one changing definitions to fit your feelz narrative. Don't like science? Go cry moar

>>681361762
/thread

>>681361762
Of course it has relevance, it's the entire reason people argue about whether abortion is right or not. And a fetus that will grow into a person isn't imaginary retard.

>>681361509
legal =/= ethical

>>681361762
Kill humans is illegal
Being a fetus is a mandatory stage in human life
Therefore killing a fetus is illegal

>>681362567
Incorrect.

L2law

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>>681361462
But sperm cells will. Does that make masturbation a form of quiet genocide? Supercilious faggot. Suck a black cock.

>>681362374
No it's mostly because it's destruction of a present life.
Future life is without value... choosing not to have children isn't murder

>>681362489
>ethical
Social contract cuck detected

>>681362567
>Being a corpse is a mandatory stage in human life
>Therefore killing corpse is illegal

>>681362567
By that logic, kicking someone in the balls is mass murder.

>>681362899
Rekt

>>681362834
A sperm cell alone will never become a person. I'd expect an expert cock sucker like you would know that retard.

>>681362995
In reality it is.
Drying up a river, will result in killing all the life that relied on it. You didn't directly kill anything, but did you lead to killing the life that relied on the river?

>>681362995
In reality it is.
Drying up a river, will result in killing all the life that relied on it. You didn't directly kill anything, but did you lead to killing the life that relied on the river? That's reality.