>>681215830
But I AM YOU!

>>681215830
Try to kill yourself so we will know for sure

I think, therefore I am.

>>681215830
Prove to yourself that you actually exist first

>>681215830
first prove your existance

>>681216055
Thanks! Simulation wich doesnt actually exist

>>681215830
I know a paradox I'm so smart hurr durr

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Prove to ME that I am not the only person that actually exists

>>681216265
I have am consious of my existence. You cant prpve to me you are.

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>>681215830
Your life is meaningless just like the rest of us. Get off of your high horse.

>>681215830
zebra
did you know I was going to say that?
no?
then you aren't the only person that exists.

>>681216553
Im not saying my life has more meaning if I am am the only one that exists. Im just saying you are not real

>>681216553
prove that.

>>681216610
Being the only person in the universe who is aware of his own existance doenst mean I am an allknowing god

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>>681215830
You are either the only person or you are not the only person.

Either case leaves you in the same reality you are currently experiencing, so you are fucked any way you look at it.

>>681216711
>you are not real
What are you high?

>>681216770
Billions of people have died before you, very few did anything worth while. What have you done? Meaningless.

>>681216949
Not fucked because I like my life

You're all along OP. So forever alone. The only thing you have to keep you company is the simulated voices that you think you hear.

And the voices hate you.

There can be only one answer.

>>681217139
But you cant prove anything actually happened

>>681217269
I still fuck more simulations than you and it still feels good

because you're just another faculty of my external information gathering system that's designed to produce self-recognition.
Howdy ho, neighboreeno

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>>681217306
You sir are retarded.

You can suck my dick op, a load down the throat should assure you of my existence.

>>681217487
fill him full of existence.

>>681217423
No you are!

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>>681217486
>monroe is a commie

"no"

>>681217486
Fuck you. You dont even exist

>>681215830
So if were are all constructs to assist in the illusion that the world is populated who made us? It's either your subconscious or a higher power.
So either you're delusional and your brain can't be trusted or you believe in god. Or of course we're real and you're acting like a self qbsorbed fuckwit.

Out of those 3 options one is more likely, and the other 2 should land you in a mental hospital.

>>681217673
I am sorry anon.

>>681217723
What ever you say retard. Go put your helmet on and try not to bang your head to hard on the wall.

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I don't exist man, (say in sarcastic voice) am not robot from evil corporation, am have feeling too

>>681217784
I might be the product of an artsy hipster in what in his world would be a digital art project

>>681217641
Now you're getting it.
It's like three dimensional pong.
Wait until you can actually see the grooves of another's tunnel.

>>681217412
Are you really that proud of fucking a fake sex doll?

Perhaps you enjoy the fact that nothing you do will be remembered, nothing you do matters, all the simulation cares about is you end your existence.

Just look around you. Everything is crazy as fuck. And you still think my idea is too crazy

>>681218176
Suck the only cock in existence

>>681218468
There are no cocks. It's a simulated feminist fist of power.

No one can make this shit up

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>>681219555
The proof is in the pudding.

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>>681215830
Looks like somebody has gotten through high-school social studies, want an award kiddo?

>>681215830
is this child putan?

>>681215830
But, im the only person i can prove exists.
and if you know you exist, then we both exist, but neither of us can prove the other right, nor should we belove it, therfore i know you are in fact an alien/machine overlord.

>>681216901
honest question here no judgement...
how old are you?

>>681220865
that moment when a bot could have typed that. FeelsBadMan

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>>681215830
Nigga you can't even prove you exist, try harder.

>>681215830
but you are the only person the actually exists.

>>681220865
if you were the only person tthat existed and therefore imagine me, why would you give me these rusty water like shits im suffering with at the minute that mean i can never be more than 30 secs from a toilet u sick fuck

>>681216711
If you're the only person that exists then who the fuck have you been communicating with? Why make this thread to talk to yourself, dumb ass.

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>>681220738
>social studies

Rule 43 if there is porn of it, it exists

Is there porn of you? Post to prove otherwise you don't exist.

>>681215830
Price to me that you're not just my imagination trying to price to me that I'M not the only person who exists.

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>>681215830
I desire that you should commit suicide.

If only you exist I can only be a part of you.

Therefore you desire to commit suicide.

Kill yourself.

Actually accepting that you exist proves that I also exist as we are experiencing consiousness at an individual level however we are all a collective of the same consiousness no one is different only those who tell themselves that they are but that's silly because we are all one and one is all so they would be lying to themselves when they wake up and say that they are any different than any other being with consiousness

>>681222735
That's kinda creepy considering the ending of the show.

>>681215830
lol, look son - a solipsist

idk bro, you stumped me.

gonna go do a number on my meat now

>>681215830
yo homie. i´m real, you are real. lets have a bungabunga party time.

>>681221343
Unless the imaginations are beinf implanted in me by an external force, and the suffering and miaery of othera is to make it more realistic

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>>681215830
Perhaps you're just figments of my imagination and maybe the reason I can't come up with anything for you is because my own brain is being limited.

>>681215830
You are stupid and don't have enough imagination to make the rest of us up.

>>681223666
Either I do, or the machine I am attached to does

>>681217306
Do you think that reality was put into existence the minute you were born? I think therfore I am. I know I'm as real as you are. That being said, either you're just as much of a fake as I am, or we're both real.

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then how did this man?

>>681215830
You are, you're a nine.

>>681215830
solipsism goes against satanism. stop it OP

>>681223809
Someone made the machine, but it wasn't you because you are stupid.

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>>681223859

>>681223062

If it's creepy it's only because you've recognized something that you feel to be true, and that this truth is something you'd rather not contemplate.

>>681223852
Im saying that my reality was created at birth. Wich is true even if everyone else is real. But im saying you are not

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>>681215830
is you me???

>>681215830
Because you are not the only person that exists. You need to sleep and wake up another you.

>inb4 but that's still me
You're implying there is a universe outside of you
>evolution

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>>681215830
Come to me and I'll prove it

>>681224012
Im not saying that the one who created this reality doesnt exist, im saying im the only one in my reality

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>>681215830

Batman vs superman...no way could only 1 person make, no, think up a movie that bad.

Call this number
>8032045525

I'll be waiting

>>681216433
You're just an NPC in a simulation. You, as with all the others, know you exist because you are programmed that way. Just accept it.

>>681224339
Life could easily be a simulation but in that case the chances that you are the real person in the simulation are minuscule.

>>681224143
You aren't making sense. You're implying that everyone else may be real, but I'm not? Please elaborate.

Hey, OP. God here. Glad you figured it out. You're the only actual conscious being.

>>681215830
Who the fuck are you talking to?

>>681215830
i have a pretty good argument for this

if you are the only person that exists how could any other person possibly teach you any new information? either they're philosophical zombies in which case they can't possibly know anything, or they're figments of your imagination in which case they shouldn't be able to tell you anything you don't already know

you could argue that they're somehow segregated areas of your brain with information that you can't access for whatever reason, but then in what way are they you?

>>681215830
You can prove it to yourself.
Just find something that you did not expect, an idea that was not of your own making.
Like the notion of having a peanut butter pickle sandwich. They are delicious.
Take something like that, examine the idea, and use your own damned sense and reason to determine that it did not come from your own mind.
If it did not, it must have come from someone else's mind, therefore you are not alone in the universe; QED.

>>681224852
>>681224481

>>681215830
Wanna phone a drunk german herman?

>>681224990
i've seen this before and, while a nice story, its obviously not, and was never meant to be considered, actually true

if they don't have my memories how can they possibly be considered me?

>>681224481
Great so I fucked myself in the ass lots of times

>>681223615
how ould misery of others make it "more realistic" if you have no previous comparison
it would just be that you are a sadistic cunt op
in which case welcome to /b/

>>681225292
you cant just discount a work of fiction on the mere basis that its fiction, thats absurd

>>681224675
The chance is 1.000 because I am aware of my own existence

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>TFW when you're just a system of energy caught in a temporary loop as this 3-D cross section of space time is swept along an already complete four dimensional solid by a temporal gradient.

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>>681215830
Southpark is to funny for OPs imag. QED

>>681224723
By you I mean everyone except me

>>681225469
yeah i mean its a great work of fiction don't get me wrong, but you seemed to be implying its actually plausible

>>681225529
As would every simulated NPC.

>>681224481
Nice read. Never gets old.

It actually makes me kind of wish it was true, since it's such a beautiful ideology.

>>681225817
Until you realise that you raped yourself

>>681225817
i mean it kind of is if instead of you as a person gaining experience you think of all of humanity

the memetic afterlife and all that shit

Humanity is simply the universe becoming self-aware.

>>681225817
Everything is buetiful on the outside. But once your done stabbing the girl and she stops screaming and you look at what's on the inside... well it's a bloody disgusting mess. That's all we all are on the inside a bloody disgusting mess.

are those guys retarded since birth or do they get like this if you fuck it up while raising them?

Like if you forget to tell them about empathy or if you make them feel so fucking important?

Serious answers im actually pretty worried about this, i dont want a retarded faggot like the OP

To Op: i dont need to prove to you that i exist, you are meaningless in the big picture, there are billions upon billions of galaxies just in the observable universe you and your life means nothing you are less than nothing in this universe, deny whatever you want you will always be less than nothing.

Fucking autists

>>681225652
It is plausible...
>>681226010
>implying

I had a crazy mushroom trip the other night were I felt like every person in my life was part of my own sprit trying to guide me through space and time. Those were some good mushrooms.

>>681226077
fcking deep

1: You're a faggot.
2: The only person to exist wouldn't be a faggot.
3: You aren't the only person to exist.

>>681226181
Damn Anon gimme some o' dem fungi.

>>681226137
You are also jerry seinfeld

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>>681215830
Gennady?

>>681226258
If you are high.

>>681226405
Putini but i salute ggg

>>681226137
it requires a lot of unprovable assumptions about how the universe works that go against everything we currently know about how the universe works

>>681226077
This, existence isn't a coloring book with a nice black line that delineates you from everything.

>>681226317
Well... God did create Adam first. And all angels are male. So God is kind of a faggot.

>>681226568
Its also an assumption to assume that those assumptions are not true l, so it requires a lot of unprovable assumptions to accept everything we know about the universe as the truth

>>681226617
I thought Angels don't have cocks?

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>>681226568
>>681226791
Welcome to modernity boys.

>>681226832
They don't but they are always referred to with masculine pronouns in bible in all languages.

>>681225612
With no possible way to distinguish your reality from my reality (or a simulation), the only plausible theory would be to assume that we are living in the same reality, or we are living in a simulation. But holding on to the idea that you as an individual are the only real sentient being in existence is purely idiotic. Your theory lacks reasoning.

>>681215830

do you think your own brain is capable of writing mozart symphonies or writing every book known to man?

if you're the only thing that exists that means your brain would have to have invented EVERYTHING you use and experience

>>681215830
reality exists and we can learn about it. Sences evolved in the environment to provide useful informations. Use senses to experience resistance when touching some1, eyes to see how they look, verify with touch, if what u see ends where u see it not being and so forth.
U r not an intellectual for being bothered with solipsism. If u think u r in matrix - prove it.

>>681226832
Well and they might have cocks since

The Nephilim (plural) are the offspring of the "sons of God" and the "daughters of men" in Genesis 6:4, or giants who inhabit Canaan in Numbers 13:33.

>>681215830
But OP if You're only real person then I'm part of You. And that means You're real weirdo You fuck!

>>681226791
i believe basic logic applies yes, i don't think thats an unreasonable assumption

>>681227053
And how does believing that we are all real have more reasoning behind it?

>>681227171
Prove im not

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>TFW when OP hasn't touched this thread in hours and never will.

>>681227465
prove u r

>>681216180
Wrong. I am, therefore I think. It's a mistake to confuse your sense of self with the contents of your head

>>681227483
Hi

>>681227483
hi there, giant skeleton from the tomb of the giants in dark souls

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>>681227483
Forgot

>>681227171
Saying you are an intelectual doesnt make you an inteluctual. Im just thinkinh

>>681227334
I think therfore I am. The fact that I am typing my thoughts shows that I am sentient. I would naturally assume the same for you. You are thinking, therefore you also are. We are both real based on the simple fact that we can comprehend our sentience.

>>681228087
u can stop now. Either u have proof of matrix or no

>>681228130
But I cant comprehend your sentience, only my own

Why csnt i post reply?? Ima The only one on earth?

>>681227334
There is reasoning behind my logic. What about yours? Aside from speculation, what would lead you to believe that you are the only one that is truly sentient? How do you distinguish real from fake?

>>681228130
By that sense, if you are not thinking, you are not? A rock doesn't think, but it still exists

>>681228384
Do you know what sentience is? It seems that you're dismissing the most critical part of my statement. I think, therefore, I am.

>>681227334
if we are in a simulation then what makes that not real?

>>681228894
No, what he's saying is that there's no way for you or him or anyone else to prove that you're sentient and not just a chinese room.

>>681224852
>>681228384

>>681227123
>mozart
stupid shitfuck clearly composing mozart is in his mind but never triggered in causual moments. or an german ear

his "intelligence" and capacity will never consealing to himself

>>681229088
That sounds racist, why not a white room, or Nigger room?

>>681229088
if i am just a chinese room someone needs to have written the instruction book though

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>>681229913
Because the originator spoke english and not chinese, whitese, or niggerese. Look it up.

>>681229913
I propose the nigger test. If it can be killed by a cop or collect welfare it is at least as intelligent as a nigger.

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>>681228384
What does it matter if we're "real" or not? What is "real"? Reality is defined only by the experiences and sensations that transpire throughout our lifetime. If we were some matrix or dream like you believe we are, what fucking difference would it make? You would still be the same person, living the same life you always have. It doesn't matter if we're "real" or not, because real is subjective. Look at your arguments in the context of your entire life: if you were dreaming all this, then all you've ever experienced has been a dream and there is no world that you could ever comprehend or care about beyond that once you wake up. Don't get riled up about "are we real?" Of course we are. If we weren't, you wouldn't be reading these words.

>all these replies

>>681230182
Not necessarily, a Chinese room, like anything else, could form randomly (i.e. evolution).

read this for more info:

http://www.rifters.com/real/Blindsight.htm

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Impressive! This thread is still going. OP is a simple, but master troll.

Stay based OP.

>>681215830
I can only prove that my thoughts are real.

>Therefore I can't prove you are real

This is my theory

All human lives that existed before I was born were as nonexistent to me as a tree that is not being imagined. "To me", why is that important? Well without me to experience or imagine them they might as well have never happened. In fact the experience of all dead humans today is as nonexistent as it was before their birth.

Okay, so I am here to experience so things may be real. But I can't experience as multiple humans at a time, only as one. Literally, one. So why me? Why this one, why is the universe being made real through someone born in this generation out of thousands, a generation seemingly at the cusp of a massive technological revolution by AI?

Quantum suicide theory says the only experience to persist is the one that does persist, because the one that ends resumes non-existence. Maybe by some philosophical fucked up fact of the universe beyond our comprehension, I am here because AI will make my generation immortal.

Only when my own death seems imminent, or inevitable, can I happily declare myself proven wrong, but until then I'm still alive and experiencing.

>>681230584
i might read that at some point but its long as fuck so i'll skip it for now

yeah it could have, in fact thats basically a description of what people are, but why would you be the only thing that is not a chinese room then?

basically why should I be a philosophical zombie and you not?

>>681215830
is that sing sing?

Op gimme your address so ill prove it to you

>>681231213
I'm not saying you are, just that it's impossible to prove that anything is sentient just because it responds to you.

Knowing this I was just saying that your prior claim that you feel to be sentient can not be taken as proof by OP to prove that he is not the only person which exists.

>>681231595
i wasn't that guy

yeah it is impossible to prove, i'll give you that, but its the most parsimonious explanation

>>681224852
this is my argument

Do you understand calculus? Do you think you could've invented it?

The closest thing we know for certain is that we exist, and even that isn't proven

>>681215830
As you look at your screen, you notice text coming up in response to yours. Some of it nonsensical, some incoherent, a few genuine responses. You can come to two conclusions. One: these are crafted responses from an AI, or your mind, and everyone you meet is a figment of your imagination. Two: these are responses from other people typing on their computers, phones, tablets, toasters, cereal bowls, etc.
There is an alternative third explanation. Maybe, you're just a faggot and should kys

>>681224852
The line I draw between others and myself is dualism vs determinism. I know others are not zombies, but at the bare minimum they are incredibly capable self aware machines of matter. The single thing I know about myself which I don't know about them, is that my experience makes the universe real. That there is an element of my experience, realness, that cannot be resolved by observation. This is not to say others are capable of raising these ideas and falsely believing the same about themselves.

>>681230856
That's horribly flawed logic. On an analogical note, if I were to say, "I bleed gold. There is no sound evidence that I bleed gold, and despite the fact that everyone else bleeds blood, I still believe that I am somehow exempt from this universal law of bleeding." I have reason to believe that you simply haven't some to terms with your mortality.

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>>681215830
no

>>681232722
All the work of the evil genie who's convinced him the universe is more than just his brain and a jar.

>someone just read the egg
Learn to philosophize... None is "us" exist and neither do you. The "self" is a feedback loop that got so good at recognizing external patterns that it learned to recognize internal ones. The self means absolutely nothing

>>681232124
Maybe so, but the fact of the matter is that solipsism is irrefutable.

As far as your "argument" I just don't see the point. It doesn't refute any of OP's points, just introduces speculation.

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>using a time machine to molest future world leaders.

>>681232722
Perfect example of newton's flaming laser sword. When coming across two theories, in which both can not be proven to be true or incorrect, the most logical choice is to assume that the most logical answer is correct

Define existence.

>>681233528
i'm saying that in order to know something something must be conscious. and there are things other people know that you don't, therefore they must be conscious, and not part of you

now you could argue that you can learn information from a computer and it doesn't need to actually know the information, but the person who put that information into the computer does

there are also procedurally generated things in a computer, but i'd argue the person who wrote the program that generated those things is the one that is really delivering the information to you

>>681215830
So, I do not exist?

>>681235037
Again, there doesn't have to be intelligence behind it, merely a sufficient amount of time to produce "meaning" out of numberless iterations of random product.

Here's another book that addresses the argument I'm talking about:

http://hyperdiscordia.crywalt.com/library_of_babel.html

>>681235037
>>681235427
? Did You ever forget

>>681235466
but you think that you're not procedurally generated and are like, an outside observer?

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>>681228894

>It seems that you're dismissing the most critical part of my statement. I think, therefore, I am.

i'm not on his side but he really wasnt doing that. you knowing that you think and therefore you are doesnt prove to him that you are real.

cartesians infer anothers mind from speech and reflexive conversation and new information but really its only a comfort, they have no proof but faith. OP clearly doesnt have the same faith.

philosophy is just religion. it all comes down to faith, and theres no point arguing about faith because no one will ever change their own.

>>681235976
Nope, I think the rules apply to me as well and that there is no way that I can prove or disprove even my own existence.

It's entirely possible that sentience as I realize it, and I use the word I knowingly realizing it may be meaningless, is merely a trick of the light as energy is deterministically and temporarily, and I say temporarily while recognizing that time may or may not exist as a meaningful concept, caught in a loop before dissipating again and leaving no trace of the theoretical being which may have been me.

>>681215830
Prove to yourself that you exist.

>>681236182
When you fully accept to die, you really do and the singularity killed himself.

>>681215830
Suppose you are the only thing in existence. Therefore all your perception is all of reality. There exists nothing outside of what you perceive to be reality. Therefore everyone on this site and the site itself exists within you. So tell me anon, why are you trying to convince yourself you're the only one in existence.

>>681236746
so you think that you are procedurally generated, everyone else is procedurally generated, and because you can't know for sure if they are conscious as well as you, then you must not be conscious

that seems like kind of backward reasoning, wouldn't it make a lot more sense to extrapolate what you know about yourself to others like you? rather than extrapolating what you don't know about others like you to yourself?

>>681237622
Not saying that I am, just that it's possible that I am, and that proving anything about it either way is functionally impossible.

I'm not extrapolating anything about others to myself or myself to others, I'm saying that it's functionally impossible to prove anything to apply to myself or others in the first place, including their or my own existence.