>>681087852
Might as well make paper airplanes with all the money that's been spent for as useful as the fighter has been.

>>681087852
No I do not.
-avionics tech, usaf

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>>681087852
Did you mean (fucking badass) Su-35?

It's totally going to be worth more than 4% of the total military budget next time we get into an air war with a technologically equal world power

It's the most advanced fighter to ever exist.

Pretty beautiful too.

So yes.

Seems pretty American to spwnd a ton of money on something that isn't very good.

>>681087852
Yeah it's fucking rad

>>681087852
itll have its day, hopefully it has as impressive as record as the F-15 but i somewhat doubt it, i guess its sheer existence puts all the other countries off even wanting to have an air war so thats pretty cool.

Did you get bored of shilling on /k/ and decided the mouthbreathers of /b/ wont be so quick to spam your thread with infographs?

>>681088478
I still think it is sad that the SU-27, and its variants, are better than are Gen 5 jets (F-22 and F35).

>>681089026
What's your point nigger? That America has a lot of money to spend?

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My biggest problem is that it can't handle its own engine. its like they put a tank engine in a volkswagen, it just doesn't work!

>>681088478
Yo, that shits on fire.

>>681089277

It's sad that you think that.

>>681089853
Yes nigger that's fire what you see.

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Fucking su-37 master race, stay mad murrictards.

The A-10 was defunded in order to support it, so no.

DoD/USAF took one of the most versatile tactical fighter planes away to fund a new age jet that went way over budget and still has issues flying in bad weather

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>>681089611

>>681090352
oh

>>681090116
>Not real
>Not stealth

Oh, boy

>>681090348
>A-10
>Fighter

Hahaha. Jesus.

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>>681088564
>technologically equal world power
lol cause that will ever happen

>>681090116
> how many of those crashed again in 2015?

by themselves, i mean.

yes. fuck yourself putin fantard

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>>681088564
No, it's worth the entire military budget to be so badass that nobody dares start a war with us, ever. I think there's a word for that. Oh yeah, peace.

>>681090642
>f35
>fighter
oh lordy lord

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>>681090488
>>Not real
Implying

>Not stealth
Muh technologies

>>681090878
Keep mad murrictard.

>>681090658
Is that the Su-24 shot down over Turkey?

I haven't seen a Russian fighter go down in flames that bad since Rocky IV.

>>681090766
>>681091267

in reality the B model is the only one which is actually needed any time soon. The A and C could be delayed another 10 years and wouldnt be much of an issue

>>681090766
you never know, russia, china, japan, france, germany, britain, italy, and saudi arabia may form an alliance and attack the usa

>>681090642

See you think it's funny but have you looked at the reports from when the F35 was put up against the F22 raptor in simulated dog fights?

F35 scores were literally rock bottom along with the A-10

So in that sense, yes the warthog is as much of a fighter as the F35

>>681089026
Australia did as well

Our government's fucked, mate.

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>>681089277

F-22 is on part with anything flying in a dog fight. Of thousands of training dog fights against the best pilots in the best jets, the F-22 has only lost like 4 times. Trick is, the F-22 and F-35 won't let anything get close. Stealth + passive radar means opponents are eating missiles without ever picking up who fired them.

The F-35 can match anything in its class, which is a light fighter (f-16, f/a-18a-d, mig-29). It is not designed to be an air superority fighter like the f-22, so no, it can't handle a SU-27 close in.

It's an alright craft in video games but so far it's been more successful at killing it's own pilot instead of the target. kek.

>>681091606
>an A-10 dogfighting an F-22

Hell no! A complete waste of money and resources. That's the American way.

>>681091556
Please leave, but don't forget India, Pakistan, South Korea in your list of unreasonable.

germany used to be the most advanced

rip hitler

>>681091270
The main role of the F-35 is air-to-air (AKA fighter)

The main role of the A-10 is ground attack (AKA not fighter)

>>681091983
Based Panther.

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>>681092064
>F-35 is air-to-air
>joint strike fighter
>strike
>strike

>>681091606
Let's see the reports. I haven't heard any results of F-22 vs F-35. Either way, the F-22 owns everything in the sky anyways.

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>>681090116
Eat shit
Best plane coming through

>>681091606
Dogfighting isn't a thing. The entire point of stealth + BVR is that there won't be dogfights. Plus, new planes vs old planes is never a good comparison because of pilot experience.

Don't believe memes

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>>681091793

>not understanding how the USAF simulates flight scenarios with their fleet while in development

>cant come up with a solid argument so just greentexting what I'm saying

Pic fucking related.

>>681090766
Non of those three are liberal in any way.

Obama is a right leaning Centrist. The Clinton's are corrupt and part of the Establishment.

In fact, Obama is no longer in charge anymore. Chief of Staff Joseph Dunford is now in charge.

>>681091750
>Stealth + passive radar means opponents are eating missiles without ever picking up who fired them.

Can you f-22 all mighty do this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uTfZLQdkHo

>>681092311
its just a reaction image, not a social studies dissertation

>>681091750
Military thinking starting production again
http://nextbigfuture.com/2016/04/us-armed-services-studying-restart-of-f.html

>>681092064

Actually no, it is a bomb truck that can play light fighter if it needs to.

>>681092309
A-10s don't dogfight, bro.

>>681091303

>SU27≠SU35

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Get the big picture.

>>681092210
>fighter

Your point?

They didn't create it to drop bombs on Muslims.

>>681092498
It was meant to be better than F-16 and F-15 in air to air. And it is

>>681092367

Yup

https://youtu.be/RJO0KzTgcMI

>>681092582
its main roll is air to ground, hence the "strike" fighter, not "air superiority" fighter like the F22, F15C

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>>681092228
Stay aside and mad pleb, real fighters coming.

A10 ftw

>>681092915
Except the plane isn't called the "joint strike fighter", the program which existed before the plane is.

>>681092841

No, the F-22 was ment to replace the F-15. The F-35 is replacing the F-16, F/A-18, AV-8B, and A-10

>>681092879
That is so sweet! a murrictard plane imitating real russian fighters, can we start speaking russian?

>A-10
>the plane built around a cannon so powerful that it could only be fired in very short bursts, otherwise it would risk stalling the plane.

RIP in peace, plane bro

>>681087852
my taxes do

>>681093222
It is designed to be better than any plane except the F-22. Including the F-15.

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>>681093184
you mean the program which directly lead to the F35...

>>681093533
Yes. And not the name of the plane itself.

I think you're getting it now.

>>681088347
Can i have the F-22s when you are done with them?

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>>681093745
you clearly dont get it still.

>>681093272

The cobra is a worthless airshow maneuver.

>>681093969
PROGRAM =/= PLANE

Do you need a 4th repetition?

>>681093446

Not according to their website

http://www.jsf.mil/program/index.htm

>>681093969
PS. F-15 is called a strike fighter too, dummy

>>681093745
>we need to build a strike fighter
>ok we built a strike fighter
>but we cant classify it as a strike fighter for some reason now

F-35 + a proposed restart of the F-22 program of another 190 plus aircraft
Lockheed Martin are going to make a killing (no pun intended)

>>681094432
the Es are,the F15 C is air superiority

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>>681093745

The F-35 is part of the JSF program. It is the product of the JSF program. The Joint Strike Fighter is called the F-35 Lightning II.

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/04/24/united-technologies-lands-a-1-billion-engine-contr.aspx

>>681094696
imo they probably only want/need to make more 22s as a stopgap until a new unmanned or next gen system is developed. restarting the program takes a lot of $ and time, so any such next gen platform is likely over 10-15 years away

>>681094848
>The Joint Strike Fighter is called the F-35 Lightning II.
No

>>681092569

who the fuck is h kissinger? why the fuck should i care? at least i know one of those guys in the photo (because he was actually important and actually accomplished something unlike this h kissingassinger)

>>681095692

You probably won't see a completely new 6th hen jet. Most likely it will be a variant of the F-22, and it will probably be bit by bit. 2 biggest parts is a laser system and optionally manned. Neither require a new airframe.>>681095692

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>>681095719
you got me, ive been rused. good trolling, 7/10

>>681087852
Red Leader standing by.

>>681087852
>Lets make a badass all purpose stealth fighter jet aircraft
>Lets use all the skills we learned from the F-22
>Lets oversell it to everyone on the planet
>Now.... Lets fuck ALL of it up because were fucking retarded

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>>681095719

"The F-35 Lightning II Program (also known
as the Joint Strike Fighter Program) is the Department of Defense's focal point for defining affordable next generation strike aircraft weapon systems for the Navy, Air Force, Marines, and our allies."

http://www.jsf.mil

>>681088347
The flightline fucking sucks.

I don't see the point of deploying F-22s (or F-35s for that matter) to vaporize sand niggers. I think fighters like the Typhoon/Rafale/upgraded Su-35s are all capable in practice. Plus I have serious doubts about what radar tech can do to counter stealth....as in stealth isn't as special as you all think it is. It'd probably easier to engineer something to detect rather than to evade. I bet jammers are more effective than stealth air frames but that's just me speculating bullshit I know nothing about. All in all, the Russians still build the longest reaching missiles...

>>681096180
Learn to history bro - H Kissinger former US Secretary of State and by some account has been influencial behind the scenes since leaving office

>>681096182
really depends on the needs, it might not be advantageous to just modify a current system

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Reminder that this plane can kick an F-22's ass.

>>681092234
>Dogfighting isn't a thing. The entire point of stealth + BVR is that there won't be dogfights.

They were saying that in the 1960's too.
Then, after numerous asskickings over Vietnam, The Top Gun program was started.

>>681096990
true, as far as A2G in general, current platforms are all very capable, some even more so than F22s, and f35s in theory.

>>681087852
F35 is just a leech on the government teat

>>681097863
I'm not the guy you replied to but I wouldn't say it's accurate to compare 1960s air-air technology to today's radar and missiles. Dogfight training should still exist but I think dogfights are unlikely to happen in actual battle...

reminder that the f-35 wasn't designed to dogfight
if you're the enemy and you somehow catch a glimpse of an f-35 you're already dead

>>681098063
To be honest, they are all capable in A2A too....not like they will be versing F-22s. And like I said, as computers get better and better I'm pretty sure there will be a physical limit reached with stealth aircraft/vehicles in general....

>>681098620
Maybe a third world enemy with 1960s tech.

>>681097863
also modern rules of engagement require visual target identification due to incidents of mistaken identity such as KAL007 and IR655

>>681097803
F-15 is like the McLaren F1.
F-22 is like the McLaren MP4-12C.

>>681098442
technology is only 1 of many variables

>>681087852
I hear it is the worst financial catastrophe in the US military. Too many companies got involved and made themselves critical to the project all to save their own budgets or something, turned it into a bloated clusterfuck

>>681098638
yeah it's definitely a cat and mouse game

Yes, I am in favor of the bankrupting of 'Murrica and the resulting falling apart of modern civilization.

>>681089853
that's vapor from extreme air pressure difference from that insane maneuvering

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They were looking for an all around solution, right?

Is or were there any other projects trying to go for better engines, or any other specializations?

>>681100836
No just more of the same and they a doubling-down on the engines

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/04/24/united-technologies-lands-a-1-billion-engine-contr.aspx

>>681091646
yeah I can't believe we've already committed to 10 submarines or something stupid like that. Australia has no need for it

>>681092367
this has one purpose: air shows

>>681102307
and vidya gamez

>>681093018
the whole yellow squadron could destroy nato with their infinite missle

Take away stealth and the most capable and advanced airframe currently is the F/A-18E/F. Nothing compares in mission capabilities and weapons loadouts. On top of being carrier capable (Although that does limit loiter time, top speed, and range) and with a LEX design that gives the hornet a massive low speed advantage in dogfights, and the best radar system in any aircraft. until the F-35 finally works nothing will ever come close to the hornet. The days of dogfighting are over, and if ever pressed into a situation the Hornet is completely capable of holding its own.

>>681102575
totally agree, the hornet has been reigning supreme for years, and will continue to do so

Hell>>681087852
Hell ye boi

>>681096750
>F-35
>affordable

Pick one.

>>681103046
economies of scale are making it cheaper as more are made, not as much overhead per plane

>>681087852
https://youtu.be/IWJeqrvoF6M

A student pilot was assigned an F-35 last month at graduation for the first time ever. They're starting to come onto the line, I very well might end up in one

>>681103438
Winrar

>>681098063
Canadafag here. I was PISSED when the previous PM Harper did an end run around proper procurement procedure (which is already a clusterfuck) to go all in on the F-35. There were bids for Super Hornet, the Eurofighter Typhoon, and Saab, and one really tempting offer from Dassault to not only provide the fighters, but also set up plants in Canada so we could produce replacement parts ourselves; the savings in logistical support alone (plus JOBS) would be a godsend. Hell, they offered to give us the SOFTWARE SOURCE CODE for the platform, so we could rewrite and modify it to meet our needs.

It's a goddamn travesty that we're getting these hanger queens instead.

>>681103544
>I very well might end up in one
on your resume dont forget to put that you watch/participate in plane threads on /b/. i bet you will immediately be ranked as a Lt at the least

>>681088478

Why's that plane on fire

>Made In China...

>>681103996
Already am an LT, thanks though :^)

>>681090352

how heavy would the counter weight have to be?

>>681087852
>>>681103996
>Already am an LT, thanks though :^)
https://youtu.be/MYLPoTNnKAk

>>681087852
nope it's a piece of shit. Another F4 Phantom but worse.
- Military Aviation Enthusiast

>>681103776
Canadafag here, I wrote the post he replied to. It'd be nice to get Rafales, nice looking plane.

>>681087852
Its all about the c3

Its a shit plane, from a shit maker.
Australia should have gone to Putin for a plane that had range to get to Indonesia and back without refueling. But no, they decided to go to the Yanks for yet another money pit of a plane.
The F-111 came to Australia a decade late and at a cost that nearly sent us bankrupt. The F 35 (yeah, Lightning - if only it was that quick) will be worse.
One engine, no range and about as stealth as a Borg Cube. What a phuqing waste of money and resources.

>>681103776
similarly, being a sponsor of the F35, canada can/does make some parts domestically. if canada wasnt then candian companies couldnt even bid on anything

>>681104758
It took ages for the F4 to finally find its niche, but when it did, it did the job. No gun, no maneuverability but built like a tank. Ground attack yes, dog fighting / air superiority no.

>>681103776
Canada should just get super hornets

>>681104805
the french have it sorted, the rafs are magnificent planes

>>681105071
Don't get me wrong, when it finally turned up, the F-111 was a superb plane. The F-35 is just wrong from tactical and strategic reasons. An F-22 watered down for the plebs and relatives.

>>681093327
Thats not true

>>681103776
well thats what happens when a government is more interested in securing jobs for secondary production than buying the best aircraft possible for the nation.

Harper's PC's really fucked this one up.
60 something aircraft for a country our size?
With how many being allotted for training and maintenance down times?

What a fucking joke.

>>681105608
Which will tide them over until the US get their fist out of their ass and sell the Allies F-22.

>>681102575
Hornet is the unsung workhorse of the American Airforce. The best. Super hornet is even better.

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>>681105739
rafale is cool guy. eh can operate on US carriers and doesnt afraid of anything

>>681096180
You're kidding right?

>>681105850
A10. Built for a purpose and did that purpose proud. The reason the Vulcan was fired in short bursts was because there was only so much ammo the bloody thing could carry.

But when the Warthog barfed - shit died / disappeared / spread over the surrounding area / wasn't a problem any more.

>>681105903
Canada won't buy F-22's.

That really should be the plane we buy though.

People will shit bricks if they find out what one of those cost.
We would be like Ethiopia.We would buy 5 and downsize all forces yet again.

>>681105903
F22s will never be exported. never.

>>681106287
Your ignorance is epic. To the point that you must be trolling. or brain dead. possibly trolling.

>>681106191
no, the hercules is the unsung workhorse. That thing has been a beast for decades

>>681106191
>Airforce
>hornet
pick one...

>>681106425
Why not..

>>681106616
The entire airlift section really doesn't get the recognition they deserve.

>>681106334
And whom will you be attacking / defending yourselves from in the foreseeable future? Other than Donald Trump?

>>681106668
Yeah I'll take the navy and the Hornet

>>681106790
best plane ever made

>>681106790
because it's been stated 10000s of times by the people who make such decisions

>>681105903
What if Canada bought the latest Su-35s (it'll never happen). They have a longer range than the super hornets, radar is probably close enough, longer reaching air-air missiles...in any case, F-35 is the worst choice for a country like Canada. Single engine, tiny range.

>>681106947
that you know off.... Take the U2 or F117A they were a secret for 10 years + before going public

can I just say that the best operational plane is without a doubt the C-17 globemaster. That thing is a masterpiece

>>681087852
Yes. They're very good killing machines, congratulations.

>>681107323
well considering the annual military expenditure, I wouldn't at all be surprised if they had something up their sleeve