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Explain why taxes are okay. Trick question. they're not.
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Explain why taxes are okay.
Trick question. they're not.
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Taxes are the cost of running a civilized society. They pay for roads, education, transportation, and tons of other shit.
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>>680976655
Infrastructure
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>>680977163
/thread

If you disagree, then shut off your computer and go live off the land and stop living on land we fucking pay to keep safe and kept up.
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Taxes are necessary but a lot of it is being used for useless shit (the war on drugs for example) I personally believe we should have low taxes and have strict power to where it goes.
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In Canada any money you get from inheritance or lottery winnings isn't taxed.
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>>680976655
If i break my leg i dont have to spend all my life savings on fixing it.
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Then go live in the woods without any roads, electricity, public schooling, libraries and everything else that taxes pay for.

Fuckface idiot kid, how old are you?
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>>680977736
Thats the shittyest middle finger ive ever seen.
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You know econ 101 isn't the only course the economics department at your school taught right?

This is like a high schooler saying cubic equations are unsolvable just because their math class didn't mention them.

The simplified supply/demand you learn in a first econ course and its disruption by taxes is a simplified picture that doesn't account for the long run or human nature, nor does it care for humanitarianism.
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>>680977955
>shittyest

That's the shittiest "shittiest" I've ever seen.
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>>680977163
>>680977597
>muh socialism
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>>680977163
>>680977597
>>680977736
fuck off, commie fags
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>>680976655
>Trick question. they're not.
That's not a question you fucking nigger.
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>>680976655
>>680978317

weak bait

but even still it's frightening to know many people actually are this dumb.

an hero plz OP
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>>680976655
Your extremely stupid. Please don't procreate. Don't spread your RETARTED seed
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>>680977163
Are you implying that those things wouldn't exist without appropriation under threat of violence?
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>>680977597
Good advice. Now, tell it to all of the lazy moochers who not only contribute nothing, but demand to be supported by the government. Nigger./thread
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>>680977163
Just because some taxes are necessary and good, that does not mean that more taxes is always better. The fact that you can run a nation with the government consuming 25% of all economic output does not at all mean that taxing 100% would be 4 times as good. There is a point at which those running the government will cross over the boundary between serving the public, and plundering the public.
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"Taxation without representation" is in full effect. Tax us for corn so farmers can subsidize it.

Then tax us for sugary drinks, which have...HFCS. double taxing the citizens.

Tax is bull shit. I show the government where my money goes, yet, I don't see where my tax $ go.

Fuck this shit. I'm going to go help the kurds and kill isis. Humanitarian aid.
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>>680978115
A simpler (and kinder) response than I'd have given,
but it's as good a /thread moment as we're going to get.

Complaining that taxes exist in a civilized society is as
ignorant of the basic principles of societal infrastructure as
it is just pure juvenile whining.

Grow up, OP. Or leave your home, move out to the mountains,
and live in the woods. Just make sure not to drive on any
of those public roads. You wouldn't want to support anything
made via taxation.
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>>680980266
goes to birth control, abortions, government housing, walfare, new jordons, and iphone.
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>>680976655
This picture is fucking retarded. The amounts don't add up.

He should be receiving $902,932.04, not owing $1.98.
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Over taxation like right is not. But we do need street lights, hospitals, fire protection, and law enforcement.

If politicians have enough money to give away to different countries, they're taking too much money from you
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>>680981023

Does this surprise you? Consider what the OP (and pic) are complaining about.

Math likely isn't their strong suit...
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>>680979453
Actually faggot more of the taxes pay for tax breaks that rich people and tax returns multinational corporations get back from the government in the billions than the poor get off welfare. Ever heard of corporate welfare? Keep hating the poor you fucking sheep. You're playing right into the hands of the rich and powerful. Fucking cuckservatives.
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>>680981023
>autism
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>>680976655
Is this nigga for real
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>>680981023
Basic Math:
OP = Fag
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>>680979806
This tbqhf. An example is education, we pay a shitload toward education yet are below standard. more money isn't gunna solve this.

http://www.therichest.com/rich-list/rich-countries/the-10-nations-that-spend-the-most-on-their-students/?view=all

MEMESOURCE
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taxes are a way for individuals to pool their money in order to buy, in bulk, the things we all need.
taxation becomes a problem when the money is spent on things the people being taxed do not want or need, for example drug prohibition.

You canbuy a hell of a lot more with one $50,000,000 transaction than you can with one million $50 transactions.
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>>680976655

Taxes are OK proportionally to the benefit you get.

Free public healthcare, very good public services, excellent public transportation, and so on, have a cost.

Shitty public services, shitty public transportation, paid healthcare ---> your taxes are wasted in some USrael illegal activity.
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In my country the tax on cigarettes is fucking 80%,so the cigarettes that used to cost 1$ 20 years ago cost 5$ today and thats just fucking bullshit. They just raised the tax because they knew the people would contunie buying it,since you know,its fucking cigarettes you dont just stop buying
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There's a paradise with no taxes. It's called Somalia. Bon voyage.
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>>680976655
Ironically, in real life people who inherit 3 million dollars keep almost all if it due to successful right wing efforts to stop what they call the "death tax". Whereas if I actually work to make 3 million, its taxed at a much higher rate (as income).

Inheritance is literally winning the lottery of lucky birth. It should be taxed.
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>>680976655
The fuck is wrong with that bill. Apparently someone can't do math as he would have over $900,000 left even after all the taxes and fees.
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>>680981937
Nope, you're stupid.
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>>680982585

>italian detect----->no, no, 6.20€ is way more than 5$ ---> it's not italian
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>>680977731
you are talking to murricans, they pay taxes and still have to spend their savings fixing their broken leg
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>>680982740
no, no, there is no $200,000
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>>680982727
But someone else already worked and got taxed to earn the money that's being inherited you thieving communist faggot
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>>680982727
in my country you have to paid a shitload of taxes for inhewritance. If you get a big house, you better have money to pay 30% of its value, or you are fucked
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Explain how hotel tax or parking tax builds my roads, faggot.
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I'm positive there is a Bernie fag in here, how do you feel about the fact that Bernie "the redistribution of the wealth" sanders only paid 13.5% in taxes in 2014?
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>>680976655
Economy of scale
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>>680983120
Thats true for all money dumbass. My store sells TVs, all the TV buyers already worked and paid taxes on their money but I obviously have to pay taxes on that money again when they give it to me. Why is it different when I inherit their money instead?
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>>680983362
To add to that, Senators make over six figures a year. In 2014 my military salary was only $26,000 and I paid around 13% in taxes
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>>680982727
>Inheritance is literally winning the lottery of lucky birth.

So is being born with innate intelligence, looks, physical prowess, general good health, and other traits. Sorry, fucko, you're not a special snowflake and nobody owes you a fucking thing just because you are the under-man.

Perhaps with a proper eugenics policy in place the future will be rid of your kind and full of those who actually contribute to civilization and improve the lot of the future of humanity instead.

tl:dr "Rich" people are greedy for wanting to pass along what they've earned to their children, but you are NOT greedy for wanting the government to steal their wealth to shower you with toys and free shit for which you did not work.
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>>680983297
Thats too bad, there are ways to deal with that though e.g. like capital gains (you only pay the tax when you actually sell)
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>>680977163
What makes you entitled to half my salary you filthy commie
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>>680983709
and you got free room, board and among the best healthcare.

You get paid what you're worth. It takes a lot of effort and time to become a Senator. It takes minutes to go down to your recruiter and sign your life over to them.
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>>680983858
Stupid argument. If i use my innate intelligence, good looks, other gifts etc. to make a living then I SHOULD PAY INCOME TAX ON THAT JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE DOES
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What is the point of taxing inheritance money? That money has already been taxed by the government before it was given. The person who earned the money was required to pay taxes on it. Why should the money be taxed twice?
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>>680984246
...so if i spend it, the guy i spend it on shouldnt have to pay taxes because it was "already taxed"?
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None of you have jobs so it's not like you're paying taxes anyways. Quit your bitching.
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Nobody likes being taxed. Nobody likes seeing money taken from them that they earned. But you need to think of it as paying for a service. You are paying the government to maintain the roads that bring you to work every day, to make sure utilities companies aren't taken advantage of you so you pay a fair price for water, electricity etc, to make sure you are protected from the enemies of this country, and numerous other services people just take for granted every day. Without taxes, a government would have to function like a business and exploit their citizens for profit. You wouldn't like living in such a society.
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>>680984496
You don't need half the salary of your population to do it
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>>680984173
Even with room and board and medical that is still only brings the total to $46,000. And your dumbass missed the point, there are these things called tax brackets. Why would I who made roughly 1/5 of what Bernie panders made pay as much in taxes?
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>>680984398
That is now what I am talking about. You have to pay a tax when receiving money in an inheritance. It is called an Inheritance Tax. They tax you for simply receiving the money from the giver of the inheritance.
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>>680984658
Not*
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>>680984178
>I SHOULD PAY INCOME TAX ON THAT

Why?

Do you not believe that trading your time/effort/abilities for a fair wage is a right? If it is a right why would the state have the authority to tax that right? They cannot tax the ability to vote or to practice religion (because they are rights).

Why do you feel that others are entitled to the fruits of your labor?

Of course this is all hypothetical. It's likely that you are unemployable and pay little to no taxes or even receive state support/subsidies. You probably never willingly part with a dime to help those "less fortunate", and your calls for confiscation of wealth amount only to moral preening. "Gimme gimme gimme" thinly disguised as benevolence.

You Marxists are all hypocrites.
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>>680984587
nobody does that except socialist countries. The US tax rate is very generous compared to most european countries. I get about half my salary taken in taxes since I moved to germany, and on top of that I have to pay a couple hundred more a month for health insurance than back in the US.

The only people with a right to complain about taxes are people living in socialist regimes.
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At least in the US, federal inheritance tax wouldn't even apply. You would have to transfer $5,450,000 before the tax even applies, and that is on the money above that amount.

https://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-Employed/Estate-Tax
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>>680976655
3,000,000.00 - 2,000,000.00 - 52,011.35 - 18,796.92 - 5,748.20 - 4,334.04 - 6,421.16 =

Balance: 912688.33

Attorney fee 9,756.29


Total what you get = 902932.04
whoever have made that drawing is bad as shit in math
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>>680984658
Yes, you are getting income that you didnt actually do any work for. So why shouldnt it be taxed at least as much as the income that you DID work for?
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>>680984613
that's still pretty fucking good considering you don't need an education or any skills really besides being able to do what you're told.
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>>680977705
Is Canada even real?
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>>680976655
I like things like schools and roads so, No I do not have a problem with paying taxes, for the most part.
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>>680977163
Yeah and sacrifices were the price of having a sun
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>>680976655
no inheritance tax in canada,

fucking love that.
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>>680985028
that's not even close to a fair comparison. Sacrifices to "gods" and such had no tangible benefits. They didn't do shit, it was just ritualized murder. On the other hand, you can see the benefits from paying taxes around you every single day.
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>>680984760
WTF are you talking about entitled. I make an above average salary and I pay plenty in taxes. I live in NY where taxes are higher.

If you get inheritance money for free and dont even work, just pay your fucking taxes on it just like I do. Im not "entitled" to your money, but why are non-working trust fund kids entitled to mine?
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>>680984956
Actually I joint to help pay student loans, and you would be suprised on how much schooling the military puts you through. The don't just graduate boot camp get handed a rifle and told to go walk around and guard shit.
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>>680977705
Wait until Prime Minister Moonbeam kicks into gear!
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>>680976655
taxes are ok, just not all of them
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It makes me angry just to think when i finish school some of my wages will go to teen mothers and just lazy cunts.
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>>680985473
i don't have nearly the time to make that many posts in such a stupid thread. only 2 of those are me.
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>>680985607
Prove it schizophrenic nigger
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>>680978115
Fucking take this /thread
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>>680985730
i realize i'm contradicting my argument that I don't have time for pointless bullshit, but
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>>680985334
>Im not "entitled" to your money

Then how can you justify an income tax or estate tax?

Those are never about paying for roads or schools or whatever other bullshit excuses you can muster, they are about social engineering, control, and turning "the masses" into dependants.

>>680985334
>why are non-working trust fund kids entitled to mine?

They are NOT. IMO nobody but you is entitled to what you earn. I'm not sure what this even is supposed to mean. Do you imply that people who inherit lots of money don't work and collect welfare for which you indirectly pay?
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>>680977163
There's a difference between state taxes, and out right theft from the federals. Fuck big government. We don't need that shit.
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>>680985908
have you people actually done the math on how much of your money goes directly to the leeches in society? I'll spoiler it for you because I know you haven't: it's hardly any. Almost everything goes to the costs of running a country. I wish a city would stop spending tax money on a major highway just for a year so you can understand what your money is preventing.
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>>680978317

>muh any kind of country that isn't a bunch of guys hitting eachother with sticks
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>>680985908
Im in favor of treating estate taxes juat like income tax.

But, I didnt realize you were also against all income taxes. Thats fairly extreme. Whats your alternative plan for funding the government?
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>>680977664
Thanks to the internet, this is actually feasible now.
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>>680986233
Dispand it. I'll gladly pay a little more just for state taxes
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>>680981510
He's right you know.
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>>680976655
fuck off you tax dodging sponge faggot
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>>680986391
States charge income tax dumbass
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>>680976655

You're one fucking retarded anon, anon.
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>>680976655
Taxes are necessary to off put the negative externalities generated by the consumption or production of certain goods. They also serve as a measure to control economic behavior.
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>>680986841
not all of them
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>>680976655
how bout this, explain why they arent okey
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>>680987073
Almost all of them do. The rest would start if they had to actually fund the US military, etc. You cant do that just with sales/property taxes.
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>>680976655
itt

>gib me dat

>i dindu nuffin

>fuk whitey
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>big government

>stay away from my money fucking commies

> fucking niggers
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>>680987073
Im gonna declare victory here and just ask you, citizen to citizen, to please pay your fucking taxes like I do and quit complaining about "entitlement" as an excuse to shirk your shared responsibilities.

We need an army, we need roads, and the tax-funded ARPANET turned out to be a pretty amazing investment. Just pay your share like I do and stop whining.
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>>680985473
>>680985473
>>680985473
>>680985473
>>680985473
>>680985473
Jizzz samefaggging,
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>>680985473
>>680985473
>>680985473
>>680985473
Pussy
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>>680976655
F
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>>680976655
G
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>>680979030
who the fuck is threatening you with violence there ayn rand, you're just making shit out worse than what it is. Go back 300 years and see what a country is like without taxes. We have it pretty good you fucking malcontent faggot.
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>>680991971
Don't use logic, they can't understand it.
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>>680976655
the math on that bill doesn't even fucking add up fuck off you gigantic faggots taxes are fine but they way our corrupt ass governments spend them isn't.
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how else are the government gonna pay cops to shoot the innocent
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Tax/eat the rich
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Taxes are conceptually a great idea.
They are just executed poorly with a small percentage of collected taxes reaching the services supposed to be funded by them.
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>>680992542
>catfishshrugged.png

top heh
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https://g.co/kgs/aHjKu
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>>680977163
Local state taxes are okay and do pay for this stuff. My local state tax was a reasonable amount.

The federal government on the other hand was absolutley insane. They want me to hand over thousands and thousands of my hard earned money.

Military industrial complex, tsa, nsa, any 3 letter agency, police state being propped up with military grade weaponry, the mother fucking homeland security was caught wasting millions of our tax dollars on luxuries like boats and vacations.

But let's all yell and scream how we want the stupid fed because they'll give us expensive govermment conteolled healthcare and let gay people into churches(which honestly shouldn't be allowed in anyone's business if they don't want you there, if you don't like the service from one business go to another. Simple as that)
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>>680985589
It also pays for your scummy ass when the aids comes for you.
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>make 11 dollars an hour
>average 700-ish every two weeks after busting my ass after taxes
>get promotion
>pay raise to 13 an hours
>fuck yes, feels good man
>calculated making almost $1000 every two weeks
>get next paycheck
>excited to see
>raised taxes
>still only make $700 after taxes
>realize iv been promoted to a more responsible position
>work even harder for the same pay as before

HOW IN THE FUCK IS THIS RIGHT? MORALLY OR LEGALLY?
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>>680994003
Because you ran around in the streets with signs asking the government for help. That's how we got in this god damn mess.

Every time you think it's a good idea to call the cops on your neighbor because he had his music to loud. Just remember yoube gotta pay for it.
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>>680994206
I haven't don't shit, came from a poor family, I'm just trying to better my life and they keep dragging me down.
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>>680994377
Not really directing this comment at you. I'm just saying in general folks

Do we really need baby sitters?

Ask yourself before begging the damn government "is this really what I want" because once in place, not gonna be removed for a long ass time and you'll be paying for it.
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>>680994706
What the point of striving to make more if they keep raising the taxes on your check whenever you start making more money and keeping you at the same pay as before? That's not fair whatso ever.

Its like they are intentionally fucking you.
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The governments full if silver tounge sales men trying to sell you their products.

They'll use fear,intimidation, coaxing, and other methods to get you to buy. It's what keeps them in business.
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>>680976655

Childlike LOLbertarian retard detected.

Status: Ridiculed.
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>>680995722
Government employee detected. Trying to keep his job another year.

Without you or your sales men getting in my ear. Do I really need your service.

I highly doubt it.
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>>680978809
>Your extremely stupid.
>Your stupid
>Your

>RETARTED
>RETART
>T
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>>680996242
>being this new
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>>680995885

In that case, I'll just come kill you and take everything you owned.

Since, you know, you won't be calling for any government rendered services like the police.

Fucking imbecile. Get out of this country if you think you don't need to pay into the society that gives you your fucking First World quality of life on a silver platter.
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>>680996789
>resorting to calling someone new when your grammar is garbage
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>>680997494
>implying you know who you're replying to
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>>680996995
Well, just a few posts back I did say state taxation pays for police and is completely reasonable. As far as the police, yes I think they should be used against VIOLENT OFFEDERS. I don't particularly use the police for every little annoyance and I don't complain we need the every couple blocks to stop and frisk and bust drugs users or even go after people speeding a few miles over the speed limit.

Yes you come to my house and ATTEMPT to kill me then yes the police should come and shovel their boot directly up your asshole.


The police are HIGHLY over rated and I'm sick of all the old ladies calling them for every little thing. It really fucks the rest if us.
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>>680995663

>trying to sell their products

Yes. Products like

>your safety from outside attack
>access to safe, clean water
>access to safe food
>access to modern medicine
>a system of utilities bringing resources to your home
>a system of regulated values keeping weights and standards stable
>a synchronized time provision enabling you to link up with friends
>core Internet services enabling ISPs to provide you connection to the modern world

Move to fucking Somalia you bootstrap wonder. You don't deserve any of the amenities this nation gives you.
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>>680997681
>implying I was the one that called out the grammar in the first place
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>>680997494

It's a meme that you missed because you are clearly a newfag. That simple.

You also act like a child, so I'm relatively sure you're underage b&.
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>>680996995
Matter of fact I welcome you to come try and kill me you little turd. I'd fucking strangle you so quick your eye balls will pop out of your head like ping pong balls being shot out of your moms ass.
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>>680997971
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. You included!
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>>680997853
>implying that i was implying what you implied about implying things.
Bullseye
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>>680981510
I hate the poor because they choose to be poor. Why continue to let taxes kill you slowly when you can start your own business or do whatever the hell you want and tackle less against taxes while living a more fulfilling life for something you're passionate about? "B-but anon, i don't have money to start a business" find a fucking way you lazy faggot. You're too comfortable wasting expenses first off, then secondly you're wasting time being an unproductive cuck instead of reading or learning ways to create opportunity for yourself to get more. Schools and teachers only know and teach you how to settle for your degree and instil ceilings on what you can do.
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>>680998315
Oh, Welp! I guess you got me. I'm shaking in my boots.
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>>680998216

>the poor are too lazy to work

>nation that champions outsourcing and gave all the entry-level jobs and industry jobs to Vietnamese 9yr olds

Pick one.
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>>680998216
>start your own business

Good one, you expect poor people to pay rediculous government fees, insane taxes, plus start up cost and all the shit that goes along with starting what ever business you want to start (ie equipment)

Sure, why don't they just build a rocket ship and fly to Mars and start their own community while their at it?
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>>680982799
What do you mean?
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>>680998182
still implying
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>>680976655
Anarchist detected. Anarchy will never work, no matter what. It's been proven time and time again that there is no society with anarchy.
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