>>680551159
Prove there is a God

>Pro Tip: You can't

>>680551268
How did everything get here? Before the "Big Bang".

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God was made up, thus he doesn't exist.

There you go.

If i roll 24 god exists

>>680551578
That's what they want you to think.

Can anyone prove non-existence without first having it exist in some form or another?

Just shut. the. fuck. up.
and show me some mother fucking tits!

>>680551268
you just mentioned Him, therefore, he exists in the form of the LIVING word you just spoke.

Suck on your own penis, and pix or it didn't happen.

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>proving a negative
>mfw

Can you prove to me that Jesus isn't a gay ayy lmao?

OP watch "The Zeitgeist Full Documentary (2007)" u are atheist so you will understand better what u talking about.

Can you pro Jesus is not the Devil him self?

>>680552406

> mention spiderman
> appears in old storybook
> therefore spiderman is real

Being this stupid

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Ignorant slaves! This is now an ocelot thread!

God does exist. Whether or not he/she/it is the same God as we thought in various religions is unknown. We can't perceive him or have any tool to prove his existence. Other wise God would not be "God" but just another species that made up of matters.

Jesus' a fucking carpenter from 2000 years ago and science at one point or another will be able to explain anything

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>>680553316
yeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>680551159
You show me him

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>>680553615
Fill my folder m8.

>>680552051
>That's what they want you to think.
wew lad. Later's, was hoping for a decent thread but I can't take this mental retardation from OP.

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>>680553822
got ya bub

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>>680553982
Thanks m8

>>680551159
Prove to me there are no Unicorns
>Pro Tip: You can't

>>680551159
You are the best your dad could produce.

OP, why do you need to make other people believe what you believe?

>>680551159
niggers exist.

/thread

Oceiros, the Consumed King is a boss enemy in Dark Souls 3. He is found in the woods below Lothric castle, guarding a shrine. It can be assumed that he is blind (like Seath), as his eyesockets are empty, and he makes references to this throughout the fight. He is a very vocal boss, and talks of an invisible or imaginary baby which he cradles in his arm for the first half of the fight.

This bossfight is optional for "Link the Fire" ending.
You can summon Hawkwood, the Deserter to help you. His summon sign is located in the center of the platform before fighting the two Church Knights in front of the boss room.

>>680552590
That shit film has so many errors and made up shit, lmfao!

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There is only 1 true creator

>>680554436
ocerios

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>>680554289
OP here, I think you may be correct. Why would my god create these it really bothers me.

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>>680554499
ocelot?

>>680552406
With that logic, fucking anyone is real you fucking retard.

>>680554499
Does he offer beer volcanos and huge-titted women in Heaven?
>Et tu, Penne?

>>680554743
both of them

>>680554859
hell yea

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>>680554859
I have bigcats and dragons and bigcat-dragons.

Are you dumb? You have no proof he doesn't however we do. If your God is true then which religion is right and why does he teach them different things? Explain why the world is fucked up without mentioning any terrorist groups. Try me OP.

>>680554607
Not OP.

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OCELOOOOOOOOT!

The burden of proof is upon the claimant.

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Ocelot?

If there is a god, and it has never shown itself to humanity, when did we find out it "exists"

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Niggers exist therefore there can't be a god

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>>680551159
cant he ran away to join isis...

>>680551541
How did God get there?

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if anyone can find a better god than this boi i will make them a millionaire

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My dear little ocelot, are you hiding from me?

>>680555087
sounds like he's been dipping in the same sauce as His Noodliness, I can work with that

Dialogue
Cutscene dialogue

"Ahh, you ignorant slaves. Finally taken notice have you?
Of the power of my beloved Ocelotte, child of dragons.

Well, I will not give him up.
For he is all that I have."

During combat

"Ahh, dear little Ocelotte.
Where have you gone? Are you hiding from me?
Come out, come out, don't be afraid.
You were born a child of dragons, what could you possibly fear?
Now, now, show yourself, Ocelotte.
My dear, little Ocelotte."

Whilst going into 2nd phase

He seems to scream "Ocelotte" whilst becoming feral like.
When killed by Oceiros

"Ignorant slaves, how quickly you forget."

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You will never have my ocelot.

>>680556188
BABUUUUUUUUUU!

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>>680556071
I've lost my ocelot. Have you seen my ocelot?

>>680554436
Ramen, anon friend!

this cristian thread just got turned into good thread your welcome.

>>680554180
bern.

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>>680556885
It is because of my precious ocelot. By the way, have you seen my ocelot?

if God is defined as an alien entity that exists outside the realm of human knowledge then it's pretty likely "Gods" exist. But the existence of a religious God that is all powerful, all knowing, that created humanity, seems statistically unlikely if one considers all possible scenarios.

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>>680551159
You exist you fucking faggot

>>680551159
If there is a god, kill me before i can reply to this.

>>680557550
Oh look, there is no god.
proof god doesn't exist.

>>680551159

BTW look up 'Closer to Truth' on TV.
It has the worlds deepest PhD's debating this.

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oh no its the old demon king the worst fucking boss in dark souls history we must combine the power of ocelot to fucking kill him

>>680551541
>How did everything get here? Before the "Big Bang".

Anybody who really cares about that question would pursue a career in science, and actually try to find out. The answer isn't in a 2000 year old book.

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>>680557438
I'm afraid your halal food has been poisoned. If you wish to survive, you must join us in worship of ocelot, or die as an ignorant slave.
>>680557637
I'm here, fellow bigcat enthusiast.

>>680553551
Lolololololololo lolololololololol. Even what happened before the Big Bang? K bro.

>>680554070
In 100 billion galaxies I would bet there ARE unicorns. Somewhere.

>>680557718

Reality is Gods writing transcribed by scientists.
A larger book than the Bible, but same source (the creator).

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>>680551268

>>680551159
Prove to me there is no Spider-Man


>Pro Tip: You can't

There is an immense amount of religions out there, and every single one of them thinks that theirs is the only truth. So the only logical conclusions would be that A) There is only 1 true religion, therefore there's a very high chance that yours is wrong. B) They are all branched off of some ancient hidden truth that we have long forgotten. C) There is no god and religion is just a human invention created in a desperate attempt to justify our existence and at the same time control the masses. Honestly, who the fuck cares? There will never be any proof, we will never know. Just live your little life that is less then a spec in the grand scheme of the universe.

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If God exist, he's a fucking asshole.

>>680558027
There's more than that. Not to mention other dimensions. I bet there's unicorns with Dicks as horns.

Prove to me there are no unicorns in my living room. The burden of proof doesn't fall on us.

>>680558135

Roman Catholicicism's current Pope is very inclusive towards outside religious truth.

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>>680558353
>>680558274
Unicorns are useless when you have an ocelot.

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>>680551541
>>680552406
>>680558097

>theists actually believe these things
lmfao

>>680558045
well apparently your beloved creator is one retarded motherfucker considering that in HIS book that HE wrote in HIS own words, HE contradicts HIMSELF over 700 times. You sure he's a creator and not some drunken hippy that told a story once upon a time a couple thousand years ago to show the world how awesome he is?

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Here is a present from our ocelot overlords.

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>>680551159
>Jesus

>>680551541
There was nothing before the big bang. Truth is, we aren't evolved enough to even begin to comprehend our existance. And if there is a god, then he has either abandoned us a long time ago, or he's a dickhole little shit head with a magnifying glass just watching our planet go into chaos.

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OCELOT?!

>>680558949
Wrong.

>>680551159
You can't prove the nonexistence of something that doesn't exist. There is no evidence or logical reason to assume that god exists. There is no evidence of god existing just like there's no evidence of unicorns existing. There is just as much of a reason to believe in unicorns as there is god.

>>680559027
Anything else you want to add there champ?

>>680558949
This. /thread

>>680559027
nice argument fucknut, how bout explaining why it's wrong?

Your life is way worse than mine and I don't believe in some faggot God.
Looks like he's taking good care of his believers.

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>>680559213
>>680559249
You're wrong because nothing cane before ocelot, you ignorant slaves.

"How did everything get here? Before the "Big Bang"."
Are you asking who created God?

>>680559249
Nothing is non existence. There is no such thing as non existence. Something always exists everywhere.

In other words, it is physically impossible for nothingness to exist, and be observed as existing since there would be nothing to observe.

How does one see something that does not exist? It is like god, and like god, nothingness does not exist.

Hence, the Big Bang did not come from nothing. It came from the existence of something ie; energy and matter.

Not that guy by the way.

>>680551159
you can't prove the non existence of something.

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>>680559213
>>680559249
Just so you know, you need to refute
>>680559445

>>680558551
Now that's dumb...ain't no such thing as ocelots.

>>680560019
Well...can't argue against ocelot

>>680558949
There had to have been something before to trigger the big bang.

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>>680560257
Prove it.

>>680551159
No one in the history of humankind has ever been successful in proving that God exists.
>challenge accomplished

If god told Jesus that everything must be created. Then who created god?

>>680560465
god created himself. pretty wicked how he can do that

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>>680560465
Ocelot.

>>680560269
According to the current laws of the universe that we are aware of, yes. But we need to realize that what we think we know, could be completely wrong. We are constantly contradicting ourselves, constantly going back on things we once thought as absolute truths. I understand where you're going with that, and I would agree. But we just don't know.

>680551159
>being scared as shit to say, "I don't know."
You're right. I can't prove you wrong.
You know everything.

>>680560636
the fact that existence exists rather than not, and we are complex enough to have these discussions is enough to nudge me into believing that this existence may have a deeper meaning.

Its as simple as this. if ghosts exist and people can say theyve seen or been physically influenced by a ghost or blatantly witnessed something non physically present manipulate something like all those ghost shows try and prove than that is pure proof that some type of after life exists. Your neighbor will tell you they saw a ghost move a chair or some story of the like. IMO the proof of ghosts prove an after life. I believe God and Heaven exist and that the world ghosts exist in is what hell actually is. I do not believe that if you do not believe in God that you go to a fiery pit to suffer for the rest of eternity. I believe that hell is simply a world without God, hence ghosts roaming the earth.

Take the book 90 minutes in heaven. the guy had no pulse for 90 fucking minutes (thats way beyond the point of potential revival, cells die and organs permanently cease) and he came back to life and can explain heaven and all these people that he knew that have died in the past being there.

There is proof out there that God and heaven exist.. and EVEN if it was not true....wouldnt all you atheists rather HOPE that its not just complete and utter blackness once you die and that everyone youve ever loved, cared about, and all your actions are worth absolutely fucking nothing. wouldnt you rather believe that existence goes on and that the journey doesnt end. Or would you rather make a statement that your no conformist and that all religious people can suck a dick and that your so much better off going by logic rather than faith.

Weird how many accounts there are of Darwinist and hard core life long atheists come out while theyre on their death bed and choose to glam onto the belief and hope of God and Heaven.

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>>680561603
No, there is only ocelot, you ignorant slave.

>>680558719
Shot has been fiiiireeeeddd

>>680561603
All that is is your brain playing tricks on you. For example, when you dream. I can dream of a magical fuckin place with all the people I know throughout my life. But all it is, is your brain processing life events, and the electrical activity in your brain shooting off like crazy. That doesn't mean my magical place is real. It means my brain is one hell of a machine. Brain activity survives well after the point of death, that's all these "near death" experiences are

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>>680551159
Prove to me there is a god. The burden of proof is placed on the person posing the premise.

>>680562267
Theres more to all that you're saying. Why do we live in a universe finely tuned for us? Why do we exist at all? why not nothing ever? We also exist at a point where life is becoming very very complex, and i mean LIFE not your life specifically but the process that is life, that process that defies entropy and is victorious over it. Where do you think it will end, this process of life? Does it end with us? Or does life continue to evolve in different ways into greater complexity? where does it end?

>>680555777
double trips of truth

>>680552274
under-rated post

>>680551159
We'll I can't fix stupid sooooo....

>>680558719
HE didnt write it ya queer.
kek
tf you even on?

>>680551159
prove there is a God


pro tiop: you cant

solution? become agnostic since neither side can neither prove nor disprove the other.

>>680551159
What kind of idiot starts a thread like this? Either bait or genuine dumb fuck.

>>680563260
What's agnostic in this case? Do you never even think about it?

>>680551159
I saw a ufo above a sketchers store one night

a little tip for the god fags
science doesn't support the big bang theroy anymore. there was a big crunch that reset everything but the science points to there being a universe before

>>680562652
Nothing defies entropy. Entropy will always prevail. Personally, I believe our existence is random luck. We were formed in a primordial ooze by pure randomness. There is no point, there is no meaning. We just are.

>>680563269
this is a thread that is started every day. have you been to 4chan before?

>>680563269
newfag detected

>>680563408
Life defies entropy via a continual process. I'm not saying it is immune to entropy, only that it is a struggle and look where we are today, this modern human world we have created and how complex it is, in a universe governed by laws such as entropy

>>680563592
4chan clone detected.

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>>680551159
>arguing with kids on the internet whether your opinions matter other not

>>680563269
go back to tumblr faggot

>>680562652
We exist to restore peace to this world. This peace is to be obtained through destruction. Look at the other planets, they seem to be devoid of life, this is peaceful, this is natural.

>>680563408
Also, it's pessimistic to think there is no meaning and this is all random. The reason it's pessimistic is because we have no evidence towards a meaningful existence or a meaningless one. Basically you're choosing to believe that this existence is meaningless.

>>680563950
Say something original, hurr durr . . . pro tip you can't. Let see a wonderfully insightful sledge, you got nothing.

>>680563623
True. But eventually entropy will prevail, and everything we know will become nothingness. Not just our galaxy, but the entire universe. Everything is constantly spreading apart. It will eventually reach a point where there will be no more galaxies, because they have moved so far away from each other that life simply cannot exist. If there is a god, he's not doing shit but sitting back and watching existence unravel.

>>680563898
fuck off you fucking faggot you're the cancer that is ruining this page. HURR DURR look at me I suck cocks learn to integrate yourself into a normal basic discussion and then we'll talk you fucking retarded child

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>>680551159
You can't prove the existence of something that doesn't exist you fucktard. It's you that's making that claim, so the burden of proof lies with you.

>>680564247
This is pessimistic. How do you know we won't continue to advance technologically and exist within our own created universes that are simulated using computers. how do you know that this universe isn't one of those from a civilization that reached that level of technology. If you can run a simulation fast enough, you can essentially escape your own universes end. Or at the very least, prolong it by an absurd amount.

>>680564411
you must be ignorant, I pity you.

the top half of its head is a gril

>>680564205
I do chose to believe that. Because there is no evidence to the contrary. I am a good person, and I live a somewhat decent life. Better so then religious people I know. If this god is going to shut out good decent people simply because they don't believe in him, then oh well.

>>680551159
the best reason to assume god is not real is because we know that ghosts and goblins and magic and all that shit is not real. all the people who wrote the bible and came up with the ideas for god were just making things up. we know this because we know magic and supernatural things are completely fictional.

>>680564625
I agree completely with you. If god existed the way the Christians and other religions portray him to be, then I want nothing to do with him. But I don't believe that. If there is a "god" then whatever concept we could form about him is very very primitive.

The biggest proof he does not exist is the birth of retarded and deformed babies.

>>680564523
Well that's a good point, I'll give you that. Very well could be true. But I wouldn't call myself a pessimist. I just don't buy into made up fairy tale religion.

Theology major here

>Inb4 "hahaha homeless in 6 months" (I am also a computer science major but I do theology for fun)

What I see a lot in this thread is "If there is a God He must be a real dick because look at all this suffering" and the responsible theological answer to that is that God does not create suffering, humans create suffering. WE fucked it up. It would be ungodly of God to hurt our free will and therefore he cant "interfere" even when we fuck shit up with war and poverty and all that.

Also, for this to be a reasonable discussion we need to move away from God as the "Santa Clause God" (we pray he gives or doesnt give based on how much you sin) or the "puppet" god who is just up there in the clouds fucking around with our lives. I honestly am in my last year of my major and im not 100% on if there is a God so I am not playing this from either side just providing background.

TL;DR:
Suffering isnt made by God and God doesnt control our lives

>>680564959
Thanks. I get you.

>>680564970
Wouldn't there be a problem with gods supposed omnipotence and his giving us free will?

>>680564970
Don't worry theology major, I'm sure theres going to be pleenty of room for you guys in the future.

What about a believe in not your typical "God" but in some sort of higher being?

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>>680565325
This is something I actually brought up in one of my courses recently and the answer I got was kinda vague but essentially the answer is (from a general Christian narrative) is that God totally COULD fuck with us and fix everything if he wanted to but it is His choice to allow us to have free will so we can choose our own destiny. If we didnt have free will literally none of the bible would make sense (or any of the other holy books there are in the world). How much you want to buy into that is your own prerogative (I wasn't super satisfied with that answer myself).

>>680565428
Right? I figure all the real jobs will be done by robots in the nearish future and humans can just do stuff like theology and philosophy

>>680565325

Very true, if he is indeed omnipotent, then he knew exactly what would happen if he gave us "free will", he would have in a way planned for it to happen, so he's responsible for even the "wrong doings" he claimed to be forbidden. In other words, he makes you a certain way, while knowing you will turn out in such a way, and still says what you do is wrong, and you should be punished for it. So, once again, in other words, God is a sadistic control freak if he does exist.

>>680560269
The problem with this is that our 3D perception isnt nearly capable of imagining something BEFORE TIME itself.
Its almost a paradox talking about 'before the bigbang'

>>680566154

Not 'almost' a paradox, it is exactly a paradox. Basically we're talking about existence when nothing (supposedly) existed.

>>680566073
Yep, my thoughts exactly

>>680566819
Not a bad existence. Although there will be something lost there ya know? Hard work is important. There is something I get from a long day programming or whatever that I just dont get sitting in an armchair smoking and talking about God.

>>680566495
The only way out logically is to say that something did exist prior or that the system or substrate that the universe is running on is itself eternal. Or, time does not apply to it. What we can't have, logically I mean, is for there to have been absolutely nothing and then something all of a sudden.

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Sure, lets play your game.

There is a god. A god created the heavens, the earth, the life that fills it.

After doing so, god stopped intervening. It is highly illogical to believe jesus or any other super figure had magical powers (most importantly, because there is no proof, you have to take it on faith, which is ignorant in any case regardless of the material be it religion or science.)

We have never witnessed true magic, there is no such thing as far as our existence goes because it has not happened. Absolutely everything except the origins of the universe (we explain with god, here) can be explained, even by our primal methods. Maybe we cant do it all now, but were easily on track.

So god creates the universe, and he does so with absolutely no inherent morals. Anyone can tell you life isnt fair. There isnt a behind the scenes system in place where you do thing x and your life is magically (note: magically, something outside of explainable circumstance) improved by y. Absolutely nothing.

So God created the universe, but he did so in a way that completely removes magic, and is entirely devoid of a moral system. He also created it without any intention of showing himself in a discernible way.

He has no interest in letting us know he is there. Every single instance of humankind speaking of god has been fiction and imagination. At no point did an almighty power himself step down, show his omniscience, and change our lives forever.

So God created the universe, he made it entirely devoid of magical occurrence, without any type of "fair" system in place, and without letting us know that he did in fact do it. So he doesnt care.

There is no logical reason to believe in a deity, because God (we all know he exists of course) didnt give us any. Not a single one. So yes, God is real. He is however so removed from our existence that it doesnt matter in any way.

I could have given logical reasons against believing in a god, but your question deserves this answer.

>>680563173
well apparently it's his words, right? So either he wrote it, or a bunch of men and women wrote it. If it was people, then that leaves room for flaws, mistakes and outright lies. Logically, if someone is going to believe a book to be a perfect representation of god, they have to A) Believe that the creator wrote it, and got some shit wrong. So imperfect creator. or B) Some humans wrote it FOR god, and got some shit wrong. If they say nothing is wrong, they say people can be perfect, which the bible says they're not, only jesus was. The existence of the bible itself is a contradiction proving the damn book should just be thrown in the science fiction section of the library, instead of polluting the minds of young, impressionable children with bullshit, lies, and pretty fucked up values of intolerance, hatred and in a lot of cases, murder in the name of the allmighty.

>>680567619
>>680567957
checkmate religion, next stop, metaphysics.

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> try to escape Jesus

Attempting to apply logic to ideas like the omnipotence paradoxes must be really hard, I don't know how you guys figure that stuff out...

>>680567619
What we define as "magic" another universe might define as ordinary. Conversely literally us turing water into steam might just baffle the fuck out of a parallel universe. Magic is in the eye of the beholder. Granted we dont have Harry Potter, but "magic" can be anything. Just because we dont have our definition doesn't mean we dont have another one.

I would say He DID create a moral system but humans again fucked it up. I argue that Homeric values (what happened in the Odyssey were what God would have set up) and everything post Socrates and Plato is bullshit.

I think our concept of god is based off of millions of years of psychology, observations of how to survive to the maximum parallel religous law because of our fear of nonexistence/death. Religion releases us from fear because it answers a question we cannot, now you can be comforted from the nausea. Be a man, look into the dark unafraid like an animal and know you are alone. Literally a gods existence is not an evidence based event. We cant firmly say that anything about our existence (other than op is a faggot) is certain.

>>680564970
If mankind created suffering, that must mean that mankind created poisonous snakes, and dangerous spiders, and cancer, y'know, just a few examples of things that make people suffer? Wow, we got some godlike skills there if we can create that kind of shit. And if we can create that kind of shit on our own, imagine what else we could make. We might even be able to build a planet, or set off a particle accelerator that creates tiny black holes and recreates the conditions of the big bang. Dude, we could totally make universes and stuff. WE ARE GODS, WHO NEEDS YAWEH!?!?

>>680566143
Hmmmm very good point here. I am pretty much going to copy and paste this for my professor tomorrow

>>680569933
Magic cant be anything. I can say jerking off and blowing my knot in your mothers ass will "baffle" a parallel universe. You want me to rework my entire life on that idea?

Its nothing but ignorance and you arent going to convince any logical thinker otherwise.

And I said a systemic moral system. where your actions have REAL effects, not some bullshit some old men wrote in a book.

>>680570091
No thats very true. Not all suffering is man made. Again I am just playing devil's advocate here but a very common theological answer to that question (and I fucking hate this answer but its all I have) is that you chose, with your free will, to live in the direction of a hurricane. Or you chose to be in the path of that snake. God didnt make that snake bite you. Hurricanes are caused with some combination of wind and air pressure. A soft breeze is good right? but too much can be a bitch (Insert New Orleans here) God created wind but with some good has to be bad.

Another thing I would argue is that if everything was Good, we would never recognize the good. You have to have some evil in the world to recognize God's love when it occurs.

>>680571393
so that means god created evil, what benevolent deity would do such a thing and still claim to be good? That's as bad as if i was to decapitate a thousand children so my own children see how much i love them because i didn't decapitate them too.

>>680571393

Are you saying that the snake biting the guy, or who the wind becoming a hurricane happened incidentally, without God being responsible for it in the slightest? Are you saying he didn't know it would happen long before he created the guy, the snake and the wind?

>>680558487 raid here, please spam and go apeshit

>>680572426
I would say that the reason for creating evil is to give existence purpose.

>>680572773

And that purpose would be...?

>>680572773
A perfect being couldnt find a better reason for existence to have purpose?

Nice. Suffering it is. Thanks god.

>>680572773
good and evil are human made concepts, just like god.

>>680572900
The purpose of moving away from evil. Everything we do as living beings can be reduced down to an attempt at permanence, at avoiding death and continuing a process of life.

>>680573017
bingo, give this man a cookie!

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then He is not omnipotent. Is He able, but not willing? Then He is malevolent. Is He both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is He neither able nor willing? Then why call Him God?

Epicurus (c. 341 - c. 270 BC)

>>680573300
I agree, if god exists, I would say he is the endgame of life. Of what we are.

>>680573294

What's the point of moving me away from evil, if he could've done so that evil didn't even exist in the first place? Let me guess, that would be too boring?

>>680573610
Exactly, too boring.

>>680573610
you have free will numb nuts

>>680572432
>>680572426
Any responsible theologian will tell you "I dont know" a shitty theologian will tell you "ROFL they will get their reward in heaven" the worst theologian will tell you "LOL it was God's plan".

I believe that God's plan would be pretty fucked up if it involved AIDS and Cancer and all that. Anyway, to answer this I am going to cite some shitty scripture for you

TL;DR version of the Book of Job
>Job was pious
>prayed every day
>Super rich had like 50000 camels
>One day God kills his whole family and all his Camels and makes Job super sick
>Job understandably asks "WTF God"
>God answers "Because I'm God how dare you question my fucking plan you piece of shit"

So essentially what I am saying is that there is no evidence that the Christian God IS moral or perfect or anything. He never claims to be I dont think (at least not by our western standards).

>>680573610
following up from >>680573656
I did not mean that god moves you from evil,. I meant that the process of life is a process that tried very hard to avoid evil. Or whatever that process of life would consider evil, such as death.

>>680573656

So amusement is all God wants? Is this like some chicken fight in which God and his buddies from the bar are betting on?

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>>680551159
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef_33wIEeds

>>680573294
>God created evil to give our existence purpose
>that purpose is to move away from evil

God created evil so that we can move away from the evil he created? Thank you, meaning of life solved.

>>680573854

If God does exist, and he is the omnipotent/omniscient creator of everything, then he made not only my body, but also my mind, since he already knew how I would turn out, he decided and desired the outcome of everything I do the moment he created me. Do you consider someone deciding whatever the fuck you'll do "free will"?

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>>680574701
http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=7&l=21#x

You gotta be in it to win it.

>>680574680
If there is a god and he is eternal and omnipotent, then he is meaningless. In creating struggle he can fabricate meaning, so to speak.

>>680551159
Prove Santa doesn't exist faggot, same shit.

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>>680575170

If you don't know what a duck (but should) then you have problems.

>>680564205
The fact that it's pessimistic doesn't make it any less true. The universe doesn't care about your feelings or optimism.

prove to me that there is a god.

>Pro Tip: You can't

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>>680575984

Don't speak for what you don't know.

>>680575984
I meant that without evidence for one way or the other, saying that there is no meaning to the universe is pessimistic.

I am not saying that the fact that it is pessimistic weighs in on how true it is or not.

>B88.jpg

Dog=goD kek I get it

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>>680574764

Damn a 3 letter agency!

Yeah.... im gonna go ahead and take some drugs now/

>>680573944
God is God. He dosn't need a reason to do anything. He defines what's good and whats not good. He "allowed" evil to spread because of redemption. God would rather have a sinner who came to Christ and repented than a person who didn't sin at all. All of this is to bring more glory to God. Thats what we were made for, to glorify the eternal God.

>>680578068
Maybe so, but gods purpose or reason could very well be another. You can't be sure. If there even is a god at all.

>>680551578
He made himself up.

>>680578068

A bit self centered for a supposed perfect being, don't you think?

>>680551159
Prove there isn't an elephant in your bathtub. Pro tip you can't.

>>680578978
If god is all, then poor thing is literally self centered by virtue of being all that is. Kinda lonely.

>>680551159
If god exists then let my post number end with 13.

>>680578703
It might be as you say. But we (christians) take our faith from divine revelations. We have faith that God really did speak to the ancient prophets and that He really did come down to earth as Christ. Now its could be equally true that those prophets were some crazy people spewing out nonsense and that jesus was just a hippie. But its about having faith that God really exists.
For me, I believe in what the Bible says is true.
It helps me get through really tough and stressful days knowing that I have the Almighty Creator of the Universe by my side helping me along the way. I trust my eternal soul in Christ. Coming to Christ lets me recognize the my depravity and repent from evil. Overall to become a better person through Christ, as he commanded us to be. To imitate him.

I don't believe in God, or a heaven or hell or an after life or anything like that at all. I believe in the big bang, but I am willing to accept that someone made our universe.
The Kardeshev scale was designed to measure how advance a civilization was by measuring how much energy they consumed per second. It goes from 0-6 and then Omega.

type1: harvest all the energy from an earth like planet
type2: Harvest all energy from a star
type3: control a galaxy
type4: control a super cluster
type5: control a universe
type6: control multiple universes
type omega: basically gods with the ability to bend the laws of nature

I'm willing to accept that a type omega civilization made us because we literally have no idea what did.

>>680578978
Again, He can do whatever He wants. He has every right as the Creator of Everything to do anything. If He choses to fuck with humanity then so be it. If He chooses to save it then thats that.

>>680579794
Once I realized that a god can very well exist in this universe and most likely does (simply because of the impossibility of this life), then it becomes easy to see how he could form a narrative for us humans in the form of the bible. But man, that bible actually is filled with contradictions. I would imagine that the search for god would be more challenging than reading a book. Who knows.

>>680580056
>We literally have no idea what did

Yeah no you psuedo intellectual fuck, we have plenty of ideas, and a few of them are plausible.

>>680580504
Ok, tell me what caused the Big Bang.

>>680580056
This makes the most sense when thinking about what created the big bang. If every successive universe is a substrate for a previous one where life took total control, that would make a lot of sense.

>>680580504
It's not pseudo intellectual at all, this is fucking 4chan we can talk and theorize about shit without it being tied to our professional fucking lives.

>>680580607
Type 4-omega rely on some pretty big "if's" being true though. A type 4 and beyond would have to live in 4 dimension and not just 3.

>>680551159
4chan exists.

>>680580429
I admit that the Bible does have some contradictions. But thats because though being watched over by Him, it was compiled by Man. The Catholic church chose which books are part of canon scripture and which once aren't. There could have been books that were true and not put in, which would have made the Bible less confusing. But that was 1800+ years ago, its hard to tell which non-canon book is true.

>>680580588
demonstrate that the big bang had a cause aka demonstrate that the law of causality is not linked to spacetime.

>>680580878
4chan is the proof of a cruel and angry god

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>>680580941
This.

>>680580941
So is the question "why did the big bang happen" invalid?

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You can't prove a negative.

Prove to me my imaginary chinese cartoon demon waifu doesn't exist. you can't

>>680552590
Fucking crap
that film is flawed in many ways

I don't disagree, yet set back the fight.

Used by believers to condemn the nonbelievers

>>680581284
yes, becase we cannot demonstrate that it had a cause, let alone a reason that implies intent.

>>680581539
I'm not interested in pursuing a scientific career where I need to follow the scientific method for every idea. How about this one? Why does anything exist at all? This is philosophy, not science.

>>680581667
wow close to 666

Prove that he doesn't exist?? I didn't know he had been proven to exist!!

>>680581667
You wont find an accurate answer with philosophy, and even if you did how would you know that you indeed have found an accurate answer? You are going to have to google that one, i know Lawrence Krauss has spent a great time on that, you find find hes lecture on youtube.

God is.

>>680582537
Just is..

>>680551541
We don't know and we may never know.

>>680552274
that's Russell's Teapot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot

>>680582373
Will do.

>>680551541
We don't know

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