Nobody cares.

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>>679912272
u got life fucked up man. could you draw Jesus and angels getting assraped and btfo in Hell by devilspawn?

>>679912272
We all know the truth inside, but most of us bury it
Some at a shallow level, others at a deep level
We ignore, distract ourselves, or reject
To have faith or believe just means to accept that truth

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>>679912272
Their is something out there but your not going to get even a fraction of the right answers from these books. Look and think for yourself on your own path.

>>679912272

There is no such thing as "ignorance" of the one true faith.

If someone is raised in a family that does not believe in the perfect truth of the Holy Bible, it means at some point that family's ancestors rejected God's message of Salvation, and God tells us that he will punish the following generations of those who reject Him.

>The Lord...visits the iniquity of the fathers on the children and the children’s children, to the third and the fourth generation. (Exodus 34:6-7 = Deuteronomy 5:8-10)

>Because of their iniquity, and also because of the iniquities of their fathers they shall rot away like them. (Leviticus 26:39)

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Is that a fucking bible?

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>>679912272
Sounds like you need an agnostic beverage.

Is it a cola or is it a root beer? We can't be sure so we don't ask.

>>679914682
That's been my general way of going about things. Most of the well known objectors to religion will not outright denounce the possibility of a god because they know it is a possibility it's just not probable given the lack of evidence.

>>679915335
Not OP but I think I could use that drink.

>>679914938
there are still and have been isolated tribes with no outlet to christianity.

>>679915679
You MIGHT or MIGHT NOT need a sip of that beverage.

>fix'd

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>>679912272
God isn't real. Go out in nature a lot, go to live shows, find an artistic outlet, be the best friend and family member you can be, do the best you can at your job for yourself, your family and your community, do some stargazing, you'll be good.

>>679912272
I believe religion starts in the afterlife. Life is too unfair to the septillions of sperm that never get an egg every year to the tiniest of micro-organisms that make up our body that we believe is soul-less.

We're left to the unfairness of life and then get to learn stuff in the afterlife we're not supposed to really start before then.

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>>679916462
>do some stargazing, you'll be good.
>do some star raising, you'll be God.
*fixed*

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>>679915337
Right, and that's called atheism and rationalism, some mix of the two. Agnosticism is refusing to commit to one either atheism or theism for a variety of reasons. For many (such as myself) agnosticism was the road between Religion and Atheism.

>>679912272
>If awareness is the only path to salvation then individuals are predisposed to damnation.
The true message of the Bible is that God and his followers will teach and restore mankind in the coming millennial-reign with Christ.

>>679916462
>God isn't real. Go out in nature a lot, go to live shows, find an artistic outlet, be the best friend and family member you can be, do the best you can at your job for yourself, your family and your community, do some stargazing, you'll be good.
You can do all those activities and still believe in God.
The image of the model you posted is shallow and vain.

>>679915736

At some point they still fell away from God's message of Salvation, even if you have to trace it all the way back to Noah's Flood.

Consider this:

Someone from your past that has died, appears to you to tell you God is real, and to believe you are redeemed through Christ. He/she disappears before you can ask any questions.

Do you believe? What do you do now?

>>679916462
God is real, be careful what you say. Just because you don't believe in something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Making a joke out of it and turning people away from God does more harm than good.

>>679917754
Doubtful due to geographic dispersion.

>>679912272
The end of days will only come about after the whole of the earth has heard the gospel of Christ. At that time the dead will either ascend to Heaven or remain in damnation depending on their decision to accept His forgiveness. Some believe we await our judgment until then, remaining in a sort of stasis before what is commonly refered to as the resurrection.

/thread

>>679917742
Yeah but god isn't real. The evidence for a conscious and intelligent universe making decisions is non-existent.

>>679918106

I would ask myself which scenario is more likely:

>I'm hallucinating
>magic is real

Subjective personal experience is meaningless in proving anything.

>>679918106
A completely undeniable supernatural experience? Of course that would turn me into a believer.

>>679918213
I'm confident that god is not real as in the bible.

>>679918215
The Holy Bible is the perfect, inerrant Word of God, and it tells us history (or should I say His Story) unfolds just as I have told you.

>>679918519
>>679918552
>>679918603
>>679918402
>Yeah but god isn't real. The evidence for a conscious and intelligent universe making decisions is non-existent.
Except God is real.

https://youtu.be/FbxD04LWW10

>>679912272
The simplest explanation among a sea of competing arguments is most oft the correct explanation.

The simplest existential explanation that there is nothing outside physical world in that we are born, we do stuff, we die; like every other mammal (or organism).

Nothing more, nothing less.

People generally seek religion as a way to explain the unknown or as a means of comfort like they did in yesteryear.

I'm agnostic with the view that if the divine exists, it doesn't concern itself with the affairs of man. So why worry about it.

>>679918106
Jesus told his disciples he would rise from the dead after 3 days. When he did, he visited all but one of them to prove it. The one he didn't visit didn't believe he actually rose from the dead even after all the other disciples told him they saw Jesus with their own eyes.

People have a hard time believing things they can't prove or see for themselves.

>>679918213
Fag

>>679918402
>God is not probable
>Fixed

Why would the possibility of finding evidence even exist? A being on as grand a scope as to blink into existence everything we know would be capable over covering his tracks I would supose.

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>>679918860
This is why so many people are turned off by religion. Your kind thinks your book is perfect in every way refusing to accept changing times like facts. So prideful.

>>679919275
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>>679919066

>like/dislike disabled
>comments disabled

Wow they must be really confident in their assertions.

>>679919165
>if the divine exists, it doesn't concern itself with the affairs of man

If God created man, then he would have a vested interest. Especially if they're turning against him.

>>679919630
>like/dislike disabled
>comments disabled
All their videos are set this way. Pointing that out proves nothing, and is not the scientific approach.

>>679919734
One time a drew something. No idea where it is now.

>>679919630
I'm sure they, like the rest of us, are confident it would turn into a trolling shit storm. Lots of insults, cussing, and mocking, but absent of any real dialog. You know that is a fact too, I'm sure.

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>>679919630

What is Social Darwinism?

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>>679919066
>he thinks I'm watching two hours of christcuckoldry and pseudo-science

>>679920308
>he thinks I'm watching two hours of christcuckoldry and pseudo-science
That's fine. You don't have to watch anything. Reject the facts all you want.

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>>679918213
>God is real
Kek

>>679920475
>magic is real
>facts

Seriously adult Santa.

>>679920608
>science is real
>facts
Fixed that for you.

>>679919734
If there was a god of creation, among the countless organisms that exist... what, other than arrogance on our part, would infer that?

>>679912272

But every faith is the right one, according to each faith itself. So you better worship every one just incase. Especially Islam, you can blow up if you don't worship that.

>>679920691
Tell me what science proves god.

>>679917109
Goddamn that picture would be great if it wasn't for the completely fucked up proportions of that boat.

It takes a 8/10 to 3/10.

>>679920902
>Tell me what science proves god.
Lots of science.

See this: >>679919066

>>679917742
>The image of the model you posted is shallow and vain.


Are you fat, ugly or both?

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>>679912272
post vaporwave

>>679912272
Religions.. They can't all be right. But they can all be wrong.

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>>679918402
Flesh and blood isn't real, faggots. The universe is all fucked up. The spirit mankind 'habitates and masterbates' in is all consuming and containing - but extremely confidential.
>now give me heebiejeebies.bmp

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"Life comes only from pre-existing life." - An Introduction to Biology

This was in the first page of my college text book...

>>679912272
someone wrote along time ago something like the people in hell will be the people who want to be in hell, the people who openly reject God and will want nothing to do with him either by ignorance or pure hate

>>679921105
I already told you I'm not watching your 2 hour video. All of you faggots do this, you post videos on the "science" rather than explain it because you're too fucking stupid to explain it. Probably why you're a christcuck.

>>679918402
You need to into QM, son

>>679921140
>Are you fat, ugly or both?
Ugly is what ugly does.

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>>679921341
still havn't seen life come from viruses.. that would disprove this. and even if it does come from vampires or dna, that's an exception not a rule.

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>>679912272

There is no afterlife. Your enjoyment of life is dependent upon your following the commandments of the God of the Living. You do that, and others won't want to kill you and shorten your life. That is all.

>>679921404
>Asks for scientific proof
>Gets presented with it
>Rejects it
>Complains
Nice trolling. You're hard to take serious.

>>679921341

Poorly worded.
All current life comes from pre-existing life is better.

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>>679921341
also the conclusion of chemistry and physics books.

>>679921366

That is why I posted this >>679918106
And an anon said this >>679918519

>>679921763
Yeah, gives you an "out".

>>679917228
It's also called riding the fence. Pick a team faggot.

>>679912272
If you have a New Testament handy, just look at Romans in chapter 7. Paul really breaks it down how the whole thing works and even mentions people in the situation of having never even heard of his faith.

Highly suggest that you read a New American Standard or New International Version, since they are more coloquial.

>>679921733
Explain it with your own words or fuck off, I'm not watching a 2 hour video because some retard on 4chan subscribes to Roman era Palestinian death cults

>>679921566
>>679921763
Then explain how life came from non-living matter.

Hard mode: Don't use "argument to future."

>>679921873
You and everyone you replied to is dead.
watdo? you gonna run and hide? mah aether and arrows will protect me.

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Religion is the only area of society that has made ZERO progress in the last 2,000 years. FAIL

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>>679922203
>Explain it with your own words or fuck off
I don't have to explain anything to you, nor do I have to leave the board. If you won't watch a mere Youtube video because you're afraid if getting your beliefs challenged, that's your problem.

>>679922286
"how life came from non-living matter"
this sentence is so fucking retarded in so many ways

>>679922304
I have no idea what idea you are trying to convey.
Restate it, or someone interpret for me.

>>679922546
>this sentence is so fucking retarded in so many ways
It really is. That's why I don't believe it happened that way.

>>679922546
It had to happen that way.

Explain...

>>679922087
I highly suggest you
>actually read your bible
A crucial step most 'bible thumpers' skip, most notably when they 'cite verses' to push an adgenda, that are nowere to be found in the actual book.
Nothing will turn you atheist quicker than reading a bible.

>>679922286
There are 3 most likely explanations,

1. Life arises from chemical evolution in a reducing atmosphere on a geologically active Earth. This is entirely possible and plausible given enough time.

2. Comets bring organic material or even living bacteria to Earth

3. Some combination of the above two

>>679922529
I'm not just spending 2 hours of my time on your 4chan argument you fuckass. Explain an argument in your own words or fuck yourself.

>>679912272
i feel that if there is god than hed understand that without him showing me proof i wouldnt believe. and if there is a judgment at the end it would be based on my thoughts speech and actions rather than my belief.
i do however have faith, but thats in a collective transcendent conciousness that were all apart of. that only the enlightened are aware of

>>679922837
>Comets bring organic material or even living bacteria to Earth
Living bacteria survived frozen space, crashed through the earth's blazing hot atmosphere, and survived. Don't make me laugh.

>>679922736
there's nothing to explain, there is no difference between living and non-living matter, they are both made of the same stuff

>>679922529
I've also seen these types of videos before, they're all packed with strawmen .

>>679923197
There are some very hardy bacteria that live in the Earth and in thermal vents, it really not that crazy.

>>679921328
Haha, nice try, but I'll do "you" one better.
Nothing exists in this universe but my own conscience, and I have subjected myself to this limited existence for some unknown reason, and i spend almost every waking moment trying to find out why i am here and how i wake up, and there's noone to talk to (since no one exists) about it so i vent on a pakistani shelf-building site about it.

I just googled it, solipsism. that thing.

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>>679912272
The implication of the books of organized religion is that BOTH actions and faith matter.

How ever the claim is that God is fair in his judgement of us.

He does not judge us against the arbitrary rules of men on funny hats.

He Judges us on our own heart and what we think was right and wrong. If we KNEW beyond all doubt our actions were wrong and yet we continued to do them we would be doomed.

A Child who lives in a place where Christianity for example is not only NOT taught but the few who attempt to teach it are at best greedy and selfish liars? God is NOT going to send that child to hell.

Ignorance of the LAW IS an excuse to God.

Most who sit in pews and behave selfishly and evily are going to be quite surprised when they make claim to Christ - we promoted your name and cast out demons for you. Still he says to them "I knew ye not!"

WE can do very little to save ourselves or anyone else.

Most often the liars in funny hats are simply trying to maintain their own selfish powers which is exactly why Christ saved the Whore from being stoned by the High Priests. Christ was far more fond of the Average person then those who are in Power.

>>679923304
conciousness is not self-awareness is not

>>679922993
>Explain an argument in your own words
So you want me to recite the information I learned from the videos, and from science, but just describe it with different words and sentences? What's the point? It's still the same concepts, and the video does a better job, probably, than I could.
And you calling me silly names only makes you look butt-hurt and immature.

>>679914938
The rantings of foolish and ignorant men more interested in the Sins of others, than the sins they themselves commit.

You are like most who foolishly claim to be of the One True Faith. Instead of humble and loving you are ignorant and doomed.

Itt
People who believe they are special
People who can google why they are not

>>679923900
Chemical evolution is a perfectly viable and plausible explanation. You really are just made out of animated water, dirt and air.

>>679923439
>it really not that crazy
Except it is. Think about it. And besides, it still does not answer how non-living matter produced life.

>>679923304
You are evading the question, and it's very obvious to everyone.

Just go away and stop trolling.

>>679923574
you realize most life on earth has no self consciousness right? you also realize most life on earth has no brain either right?
Life =/= self awareness
Also Imho what we define as consciousness, something that would be you but that would not be physically in your body, like if it was immaterial & mystical, is just an illusion, and it's impossible to understand that because of how convincing this feeling is.

>>679922834
I wasn't suggesting a verse, or even one chapter. What I am suggesting is reading Paul's letter to the Romans and starting in chapter 7 to skip over some other, non related stuff.

Chapter 7 begins an essay on faith, the hebraic law and how it applies to and amplifies our sinful nature.

But since you can't be bothered to actually read more than a paragraph, here's the tl;dr version

The actions and choices we make that WE truly believe are wrong are what really damn us, not failing at adherance to some antiquated code

>>679924133
No it really isn't. It would only take one surviving bacteria. Besides, I named organic compounds on these comets as another likely source.
>>679924098

>>679924355
>What I am suggesting is reading Paul's letter to the Romans
There's your problem right there. Paul is the biggest false prophet who ever lived, and probably the false prophet mentioned in Revelation. He contradicted everything Christ and the apostles taught about God's law.

>>679924215
Your consciousness is a product of your frontal lobe. If I hit in you in the head hard enough to rock your brain around, you will lose consciousness.

>>679924547
Still haven't explained how non-living matter produced life.

>>679924134
not trolling, download a random biology book or class about LUA and you should understand the subject better

>>679924801
Chemical evolution. This is the third time I've told you.

>>679924661
Nevertheless he makes a good argument.

As for contradicting what Christ taught, citation needed

>>679924801
stop saying "life", you're just making this harder for yourself to understand.

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>>679917754
Noahs flood was a local event that destroyed the Gheber. It was not a World wide event and Ham was not the first black man.

You exhibit so much ignorance of your own religion and what the Holy Book teaches.


So many things you SHOULD consider first and foremost when choosing what preacher or priest you decide to follow.

Chief among them is that Christ and NOT Paul or the Pope held the authority and law of your faith. While the Bible contains many of God's words it is by no means complete by itself.

You would be wise to abolish sin in your own life if you can. And wiser still to ignore the sins of others lest you accidentally accuse another of sin you yourself commit.

It is YOUR own heart and measure that God will hold before you on the final day of Judgement. Not mine. Your standards are and should be unique to you. You should enfo0rdce the law in your own life and not be foolish enough to try and enforce it upon others.

Many men who wore collars and tried to educate the Native Savages in early American History will one day find themselves in hell for the great deception that they foisted upon others.

>>679912272
Hey OP. I'm a Christian and here is the Christian answer to your questions.

If someone does not know about Jesus when they die (ex; Native Americans), then God will be just and fair with them and judge them by their heart. However, if you do know about Jesus and choose not to believe in his forgiveness, you will spend eternity away from God (hell).

A side note, Chrisianity is the only major religious faith in the world that does not have a merit-faith based system. What I mean by this is that your actions as a Christian do not reflect your ability to enter into God's kingdom (heaven). All other major faiths tell you to physically "do" something to enter salvation.

I'm about to go to sleep so I didn't look up the Bible verses to back up my claims, sorry. If you need the verses just google search the topic.

>>679924972
>Chemical evolution
So you're suggesting non-living chemicals produced living organisms?

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>>679925190

>>679924847
Wow....for someone so educated, you sure don't have any reading comprehension.

The question is, "How did the first "life" arise".

>>679925190
Yes, archae and some bacteria are just a DNA or RNA molecule surrounded by a layer of fatty oils.

>>679925080
>will one day find themselves in hell

Dude, that was over a century ago. If those guys are still alive, you have bigger problems.

>>679924215
you successfully questioned my beliefs. that being the idea of karma and rebirth. however ive come to the conclusion that if conciousness is immaterial than it could exist outside of a brain

>>679925003
>As for contradicting what Christ taught, citation needed
Anyone who reads the Bible can plainly see Paul's hatred for God's law, and his jealously towards Peter and the others.

James made Paul repent of everything he told the Jews in the book of Acts. In chapter 2 of Revelation, Christ called the apostle of the Ephesians a liar. (Paul was the apostle over the Ephesians.)

Lots of books have been written on this subject, and articles posted.
http://www.jesuswordsonly.com/books/175-pauls-contradictions-of-jesus.html

>>679913093
>generally agnostic
>contemplating damnation
Be good.
Die happy.
If the alien gods preserve your soul after physical death it will be due to your superior custodianship of the energy hosted by your worldly self.
Nothing so far advanced beyond mankind would be concerned with anything as trivial as being worshipped.
If they DID leave behind instructions on how to live it wouldn't be a book. It would be encoded in the world they created for us. Unlocking each layer of our ultimate purpose and destiny on earth draws us closer to any god and would eventually lead to the advancement of the species to a similar level.
Our perception is unique based on our size and relative position in the universe. It's very likely that practically an infinite number of parallel temporal universes exist in virtually the same space and time as our own, existing for what would amount to billions of years in a single second or reflecting our own complete recorded history in the blink of their relative eye.

>>679924355
Explain to me, why an abrahamic religion:
>The Abrahamic religions are religions originating from the traditions of Iron Age proto-Judaism; the major ones are Judaism, Christianity, and Islam
founded in Jerusalem (Ie: the middle east) about an arab, who was a jew, preaching the word of the god of a volcano, which later became a god of air yahweh, about a covenant that was specifically between only himself and a SINGLE tribe of people, 2000 years ago... with not a single scrap of evidence any of it ever happened out side the story book itself, is reliant to anyone at all? Especially western society.
Don't bother with the evidence thing, if any existed, the tv preachers would be all over it like flies on shit

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>>679918106
Some day a super natural being will be cast out of Heaven and will claim to be the second coming of Christ here to Rapture the faithful away.

This non human being will be the Devil himself and many who thought they were of the right religion will doom themselves to hell.

If Ghost showed up I would cast it out as the demon it is.

No words from any being not of flesh will ever convince me to worship at the alter of a fool in a funny hat or to give money to a liar behind a pulpit. When Christ sent forth the Apostles. He commanded them not to carry a second shirt or a beggars bag. Most Chuches today beg for money and teach nothing that Christ taught. Many of them are doomed to hell right this very moment.

You either read the books and struggle to understand and follow them in love and faith or you end up a religious hypocrite or zealot.

>>679925889
>doom themselves to hell
A loving God would not create an ever-lasting torture chamber.

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>>679919175
He visited all of them except Judas (Who was dead already) and the doubter was Thomas who was visited later and his doubts dispelled.

Remember to treach you MUST understand what you teach or you may be misleading others. Which would be a very grave sin.

>>679925306
>>679925440
Still explains nothing. Even the top "experts" on the science scene admit they don't know how non-living matter produced life, yet.

>>679925889
Well, for being so in touch with the Bible, I'm surprised you didn't recognize the story of the rich man and the poor man.

That is what my little question was based on. To show that even if a man is told by his dead brother that he needs to believe, he will still reject him. Some men's hearts are that hardened against God.

So, get off your high horse.

>>679925703
Fair point.

this was a nice change from that god damn never ending story atheist hate troll

>>679926411
I can't argue with you christcucks when you just make shit up for your own version of reality. It's chemistry, it doesn't require fucking magic.

>>679925876
>with not a single scrap of evidence any of it ever happened out side the story book itself, is reliant to anyone at all?
I stopped reading after that. There is a lot archeological evidence to support the claims in the Old Testament.

Ex; the city of Jericho has been uncovered, Noah's Ark has been found, ancient Eygyptions wrote of the exodus of thousands of slaves led by a former royalty (Moses).

Please do more research before trying to sound smart on an online image board.

>>679926411
Is your only objective to trigger me? Cause if yes it worked out.

>>679926411
And hence your eternal problem
No-one can ever know anything for absolute certainty = You get to inject "God did it"
But then, if 'magical man in the sky' is your goto answer, stick with it, 'magic' is a great way to explain almost everything, without actually getting any closer to the truth, or really putting any marginal effort into lifting that rock you live under.

>>679926996
Science denier.

>>679926865
>I can't argue with you christcucks when you just make shit up for your own version of reality. It's chemistry, it doesn't require fucking magic.
No, it requires scientific facts and evidence to support your claims.

>>679926699
>Fair point.
The Law is merely God's way of living. And that's why we have so many problems in the world. It's all coming from the way we are living.

>>679926219
That's completely up to the person to decide if he'll is "torture".

Do you want to know what the textbook definition is of hell?

Separation from God.

If you don't like God and don't want to spend eternity with him, then why would hell be torture?

>>679925630
They are not still in the flesh to be sure.

But every soul that ever existed still does, and final Judgment does not happen when you die. It happens for all of us on the very same day after God has fulfilled all his promises.

Anti-Christ has not yet been cast out and fooled all of mankind on Earth, and so we all still await that test and final judgement.

When you die NOW?

You either hear well done my good and faithful servant and are welcomed to Heaven. OR you are across a great gulf where you can see Gods light but can not actually approach him. Kind of like the purgatory claims of some.

All Souls are awaiting Judgment still.

>>679927128
The vast universe demands an explanation how it came to be. Some matter is neither coming into existence, nor leaving existence, so how did it come to be in the first place? An eternal source is the only logical answer.

>>679925190
yes. and your lack of understanding of the process does nothing to disprove it.

>>679926936
;No! None of those things are factual at all.
I can't make a claim on jeroio, i haven't searchd that specifically.
But all these 'claims' are complete falsehood and works of fiction.
Head over to any credible website like Iron chariots, and read it all for yourself, i don't have the patience to spell it out for you.

>>679927498
>If you don't like God and don't want to spend eternity with him, then why would hell be torture?
I don't know, maybe because of the endless fire and demons biting your ass?

>>679926865
He's right though. As of yet, science can not explain how life started on this planet. We have traced it back to it's earliest forms, we know what life needs to exist, but we still don't know who or what "flipped the switch" so to speak to make inanimate matter alive.

And with only one world to examine life on, we may never know.

>>679927653
>yes. and your lack of understanding of the process does nothing to disprove it.
However, your lack of understanding how it works does disprove it. You can't prove a negative.

>>679927255
I gave you the name of the concept, I'm not going to be your fucking teacher dude. This is really some pretty basic shit.

>>679927653
He doesn't have to "disprove it". It's an assertion that you made. It's up to you to explain and "prove" it.

So, link to some successful life creation experiments. Ones that start with nothing.

>>679927897
It's called chemical evolution, I've said this 4 times now.

>>679927128
I learned about that argument in my logic class last semester.

If x did not create y, then z must have done it because x-y=z. Right?

The problem with that theory is that inserting "magic man" isn't what's being debated. What's being debated is that "nothing" is still just as plausible as "magic man", hence; "nothing" is also the z.

The equation works both ways and we get caught in an infinite loop.

>>679928016
>This is really some pretty basic shit.
Nice bluff. But I've studied much science, so it's not gonna work on me.

>>679927621
No, the only credible and honest answer is
"We don't know"
Simply asserting their is a magical being that conjured everything into existence with an incarnation spell is intellectually dishonest and gets you no closer to the actual truth of anything.

>>679928168
>It's called chemical evolution, I've said this 4 times now.
And have failed to explain how ti caused non-living matter to "magically" come to life, 4 times, as well.

>>679912272
> Is a person damned for being ignorant of the "right" faith?
No. Being damned isn't a thing.
> If they are not then there must be no right faith and only the sum of that persons actions defines the outcome.
There is no right faith. There is no afterlife.
> If awareness provokes punishment, then the spreading of the faiths knowledge is damning.
Everyone dies for good. Promising otherwise is lying.
> If awareness is the only path to salvation then individuals are predisposed to damnation.
Everyone dies for good. There is no salvation.

>>679928285
>Simply asserting their is a magical being that conjured everything into existence with an incarnation spell is intellectually dishonest and gets you no closer to the actual truth of anything.
But is a concept that should not be rejected or ignored. It should be examined. Which I have.
Science demands an eternal being for its source of creation.

>>679928426
Because it's a lot to type out and you can just fucking google chemical evolution and read it yourself.

>>679914938
>>679915736
>>679923875

I am a Christian and will do my best to objectively participate in this discussion.
>inb4 only non-objective haters, who only wanna reply with hate. I am willing to talk openly.

The Lord gives all of us an opportunity to know him and the truth before we are to face judgment. This includes those who at the time of their death have had no knowledge of the faith. OPs questions is not completed examined. However, one cannot claim ignorance if they know faith and choose not to accept it.

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>>679926219
He did not.

Hell is a consuming fire. He told the Prophet Isaiah that a soul in hell was like goose fat in to a fire. Up in smoke and gone in the blink of an eye. Hell is an end of the soul not an eternal torture. You have fallen for one of the lies of organized religion. Kind of like Apples as original sin or Adam and Eve being the first humans ever. Many things are taught in Church that are simply not true.

>>679926694
That story was prior to Christ having lived and died, and was under the Abrahamic Covenant which has changed. Lazarus wanted a drip of water and was denied. Christ emptied jhell and it remains empty at this time until after the final Judgment. God saw that almost no one was making it past this test and so he finally kept his promise and did the test himself. Thus giving all of us a chance to make it past rather then just the Hebrew people who rejected Christ while he was here.

I am not on any high horse I consider myself the lowest of the low. I simply teach and debate the law most often educating zealots of their hypocrisy. While I do often use harsh words it is for those who claim they are saved or worse claim they are holy teachers. I consider the average person to be my brother or sister and would answer their questions honestly and with out judgment on them.

>>679927764
I'm on my phone or else I would give you more sources, but the Bible doesn't ever say that hell is a place with fire. It says "gnashing of teeth".

Hell is literally separation from God.

>>679927749
Actually, you're wrong. I also can't bring you sources right now, but I promise you that there have been well funded and well recorded archeological digs to produce the evidence for each of those claims.

>>679928662
>Science demands an eternal being for its source of creation
And where done, at the point where you think 'science' demands their 'is a god' and that 'creationism' is a real thing.

>>679914938
Utter nonsense. There are many religions that came into existence well before the bible was written. Greek, aztek and Egyptian civilisations all had their own gods and rituals. You're saying that these people, who were born and died thousands of years before christianity was invented all deserve to go to hell because of their ignorance. All you religion fags are the same and refuse to see reason through years of brainwashing.

>>679922286
A molecule can have a shape such that other atoms nearby are attracted to it in a configuration that bonds them into another copy of the same shape. That is how. It's just physics and chemistry. There's no magic in it. "All life comes from pre-existing life" is clearly a black swan fallacy. "I've never seen a black swan, so all swans are white."

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>>679925141
You don't see the problem here? You are suggesting that if a person is ignorant and otherwise on there way to heaven and you walk up to them as a total stranger and lay before him the teachings of christ and he believes the whole thing is make believe, you just damned him to hell.

>>679928784
>Because it's a lot to type out and you can just fucking google chemical evolution and read it yourself.
I have read it. It offers no facts or proof.

>>679928884
>Hell is a consuming fire. He told the Prophet Isaiah that a soul in hell was like goose fat in to a fire. Up in smoke and gone in the blink of an eye. Hell is an end of the soul not an eternal torture.
Actually, Hell is translated from three Greek words (Hades, Tartarus, and Gehenna), and one Hebrew word (Sheol).
Hades and Sheol simply means the grave.

>>679928916
>I also can't bring you sources right now, but I promise you
No their simply isn't, and no you cant.
I don't want to be the 'educate yourself guy', but seriously, take some time and look into it with a critical mind.
If their where any credible peer reviewed evidence of the stories of the bible, every preacher with a two dollar bible would be all over it like flies on shit, not to mention the Vatican, the fact 'nothing comes to mind' should suggest, their ISNT

>>679928936
>And where done, at the point where you think 'science' demands their 'is a god' and that 'creationism' is a real thing.
There is matter that is neither going out of existence, nor is it coming into existence. So how did it come to be, unless it came from an eternal source?

>>679928184
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>>679925080

>You would be wise to abolish sin in your own life if you can. And wiser still to ignore the sins of others lest you accidentally accuse another of sin you yourself commit.
There is some truth to this. The Lord wants our hearts individually. We cannot judge others with any expectation that it will help ourselves. The judgement has gotten outta control by both Christians and non-Christians alike, each judging the other. As far as the Christian side is concerned the best way to share Christ's presence in your life is to live your life well and according to His will. You cannot "convert" anyone to the faith by condemnation. Their is only one judge, and it is not any Christian on this earth, or non-Christian for that matter. Let people be and their outcome will be their outcome.

>>679929517
I can understand your point of view.

Give me a few minutes and I'll grab some links for you. Then I really need to get some sleep.

>>679929153
Explains nothing--the post.

>>679929665
>So how did it come to be
Should be your fucking question you dim witt.
Not, We don't fully understand X yet, so GOD / magic / voodoo / boogy man / my parents where really the tooth fairy / the monster from space jam must be just as valid as the current peer reviewed documented theory produced actual scientists that study the full time as their primary profession.

>>679928884
>That story was prior to Christ having lived and died,

The main teaching point of the story is what I said. You have extrapolated in such a confusing way to the layman, that it will be rejected. Stay with a simple story and morale to create a teaching moment, kinda like a parable. Because what to you seems correct, is jumbled and beyond your audience.

>>679929007
That's not quite how it works.

Only those people who truly believe they are going to "hell", who -want to go- will actually end up there.

So here's the question: Lets say, just for arguments sake, that this god stuff is real. If I told you that you could live your life any way you wanted, damning yourself to hell for shits and giggles, but that I could sneak you into heaven when you died, would you go?

Once you're in you gotta follow the rules, but until then you could live as you want and I will sneak you in. Would you?

>>679928822
That assumes they have been offered the true story and not lies of men in funny hats.

Most have never encountered a real and loving teacher like Christ. They have simply encountered men in funny hats who tell lies and half truths with an eye on profits rather than teaching what the Prophets said.

As I commented earlier. Christ holds the Authority Not Paul and Not the Pope. These men have not guided anyone to the Kingdom of Heaven any more then the fool who posts the never ending story princess thread has. If you claim to be a Christian and then frighten off every sinner who seeks truth with your harsh judgment and rhetoric about what God expects from us hell awaits you. God wrote 10 laws in Stone his son more than confirmed them and in fact attacked the liars at the temple who made it an abattoir the High Priests and Dishonest merchants of sub par sacrificial offerings had him put to death by the Romans. Today men still stand behind pulpits wearing funny hats and claiming they are the way the truth and the light in complete opposition to what our Lord himself taught.

>>679929665
You can't posit a unicorn to explain a horn until you've proven unicorns exist. It might be a narwhal tooth.
Matter is largely stable. Most of it doesn't come into or go out of existence. But there are processes that create and destroy matter by exchanging it with energy.

>>679929372
Another Christian responding here. Not really. Christ puts the thirst for him in each of us. Hearing the good news is not the end of a persons journey, but the beginning. It is almost assured that a person will not pass by only one Christian their entire life and hear about the Lord one time.

>>679930131
Oh, right sorry.
"A wizard did it. Somehow. I'm sure one exists. Somewhere. Somehow."

>>679930204
>We don't fully understand X yet, so GOD
Not the case at all. More like, many forms of matter requires an eternal source to have happened. So the eternal source is the only logical explanation.

>>679930542
Energy is the eternal source. First law of thermodynamics.

>>679930402
>Matter is largely stable. Most of it doesn't come into or go out of existence.
Exactly.

>>679930507
>Oh, right sorry.
>"A wizard did it. Somehow. I'm sure one exists. Somewhere. Somehow."
Now you're just being silly.
>I got called out on my post
>WAH WAH WAH!

>>679930861
Mocking someone for your own strawman. A+

>>679930710
>Energy is the eternal source. First law of thermodynamics.
The FIRST LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS is stated as follows: Matter and energy can be neither created nor destroyed. There are no natural processes that can alter either matter or energy in this way. This means that there is no new matter or energy coming into existence and there is no new matter or energy passing out of existence. All who state that the universe came into existence from nothing violate the first law of thermodynamics, which was established by the very scientific community who now seem willing to ignore it.

>>679929517

Here are a few websites I found real quick that give a good non-bias look into Biblical archeology.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_archaeology

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1245837

http://www.nbcnews.com/science/3-000-year-old-artifacts-reveal-history-behind-biblical-david-761720

The stories in the Bible are the easiest to validity because of their deep rooted and well recorded history.

I really need to go to sleep though. I wish you well.

>>679930861
Actually, A volcano god that latter became the air god Yahweh spoke everything into existence with an incantation spell.
You really should feel silly

>>679930969
>Mocking someone for your own strawman. A+
(You)

>>679929438
Actually you fail to do the required reading.

או איל קטן

In modern Hebrew the above is claimed to mean Unicorn. It actually means a small ram.

Many things that experts in funny hats claim is true is simply not true.

But if you prefer to take the risk and be fooled by "learned men" so be it.

That does not mean hell awaits you.

It does mean you may be a little embarrassed in the afterlife. Christ called it being "naked".

Hell is quite probably God himself who also claims to be THE CONSUMING FIRE...


Regardless of it being eternal or temporary most would do best to figure out how to avoid it themselves rather than convincing everyone else that they're going there for not drinking blood on Sunday.

>>679931188
>Actually, A volcano god that latter became the air god Yahweh spoke everything into existence with an incantation spell.
>You really should feel silly
Not the scientific approach. Looking for facts and evidence; not your 'feelings' about what you think is silly or not.

>>679930385
I am Catholic and you would think that I would be the complete example of the person that you describe as a "follower of hats," but it is not so. I love the sacraments that the faith offers. But this is not on a ceremonial sense. My connection to the sacraments is a personal one. One that I actively pursue. We are fortunate enough to live in a time when many of us are able to pursue our faith more than ever as individuals; suggested even so by all of us having the ability to participate in this thread. I am not saying that their are not bad teachers or half-hearted church goers, but ultimately it comes down a person personal spiritual walk with the Lord.

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>>679929994
So obviously, you are wise.

May peace be with you.

>>679931327
So what you saying? Hell is what? Eternal burning? Or not? I'm confused.

>>679931025
>The FIRST LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS is stated as follows: Matter and energy can be neither created nor destroyed.
False.
Energy can be converted into matter, and matter can be converted into energy. Matter is a form of energy. It's the total energy, including the mass-equivalence bound in matter, which is conserved. Your statement of the first law is wrong. It also requires a closed system, which you didn't mention.

> There are no natural processes that can alter either matter or energy in this way.
Fusion, fission, pair production, antimatter annihilation. You're wrong. Matter can energy can be converted from one into the other. Matter is a form of energy. The total amount of energy is constant.

> All who state that the universe came into existence from nothing violate the first law of thermodynamics,
False. Firstly, there was never a nothing. Nothing is an unreal state. The big bang is the origin of time and space. There is no such time as before it for there to even be a nothing in. Secondly, the energy existed at every such time, so it didn't come into existence. It was always here. Third, nobody says the universe came into being from nothing, at least not in the sense you mean nothing. The big bang was the hottest densest something there ever was. Not a nothing.

You're scientifically illiterate.

>>679931103
>well recorded history
Just no.
Also nothing you linked is credible as proof of anything in the bible past major cities, or landmarks actually existing.

>>679930349
See that post belies the futility of Christianity. All these commandment's and sins have been put in place, but one can always redeem themselves if the repent to god. Then life it self is meaningless, as it cant even be called a trial. Christianity is likely a product of a government to keep the masses in check as it helps countries retain control by keeping the majority of people in check.
Also, you never really addressed my other post.

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>>679930349
So you are the devils advocate now?

Perhaps worry less about how to sneak in and more about how to get there with out deception..

Want a simple hint?

Love God.
Treat all men as brothers and do unto them as you would have them do unto you.

That is the whole of the law as summarized by Christ. All Ten of God's Commandments fit nicely within it. No sneaking, no tithes and no communion, required.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/mr-personality/201312/why-are-religious-people-generally-less-intelligent

>>679912272
The simple answer which I was told by a priest was this:

1) God is truly fair and just, and is perfect in judgement

2) You will not be judged unfairly.

3) You will have to be judged on what you have received.

So just as an amazonian boy in the forest who has never heard of God cannot go to hell since he has never heard of God, I don't think someone who is skeptical deserves to go to hell.

I think someone who is purposely disobeying God and refusing to open his heart to God would go to hell, only if the opportunities are open and he is rejecting them.

And no, spreading of the faith itself isn't damning. Again you are judged on what you're given. That same Amazonian boy cannot possibly go and kill people and feel okay with himself. There are things written in you that you know are wrong.

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>>679931447
I have no objections to Laity.

You are one of the Lost Sheep seeking your way.

If a funny hat wearing man misleads you his ass will be in the fire.

Just because a Church is lead by a liar does not mean every child in it is doomed. God will guide you and judge you as he sees fit.

Certainly I am meaning the Pope when I talk about funny hats. I have little faith that the Pope is at all holy.

You on the other hand are honestly seeking.
If your heart is true God will guide you.

I hope my words do not frighten you away from your pursuit of faith, it is not my goal.

>>679931799
There was a point in time when uranium could not have existed, because it always breaks down in a highly systematic, controlled way. It is not stable like lead or other elements. It breaks down. This means there was a specific moment in time when all radioactive elements came into existence. All of them—uranium, radium, thorium, radon, polonium, francium, protactinium and others—have not existed forever.
This flies directly in the face of evolutionary thought—that everything gradually evolved into something else.

Second of all, where did the energy come from?

>>679931911
I'm done.

You are literally denying scientific evidence of an ancient settlement because you're too scared to be proven wrong.

There is no convincing you of anything that you haven't already conceived yourself.

Having a closed mind is one of the most dangerous things a person can do to himself.

CREDIBILITY LIST:
>Wikipedia
It's alright. Lots of people of all faiths and backgrounds help create and form the articles.
>CNN
They have a bias, but unless it's politically tied it should be good.
>MSNBC
A bit less credible than CNN, but still good.

Kid, get the fuck out of here. I don't want your arrogance on /b/.

>>679932439
Shit posting in an actual discussion thread. You're winning hearts and minds to your view. Well done.

>>679931799
The Law of Conservation of Mass, discovered by Antoine Lavoisier in 1785. In its most compact form, it states: "matter is neither created nor destroyed."

In 1842, Julius Robert Mayer discovered the Law of Conservation of Energy. In its most compact form, it it now called the First Law of Thermodynamics: "energy is neither created nor destroyed."

>>679932841
>ancient settlement
This doesn't get you any closer to "God exists"

>>679932022
You've taken the exact opposite position. I really feel that you do that as a reflex now. You really don't want to hear anything other than your own world view. You are only here to discredit, not discuss.

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>tfw rabbis are arguing on my /b/

>>679933248
We're not debating if God exists.

We're debating whether the stories in the Bible can be validated by archeology, you twit.

>>679933573
>We're not debating if God exists.
Most of the thread has been that, actually.

>>679912272
Beautiful post, OP. Might be better placed in /x/. Try it there as well, if you haven't already.

>>679933174
> The Law of Conservation of Mass, discovered by Antoine Lavoisier in 1785. In its most compact form, it states: "matter is neither created nor destroyed."
> In 1842, Julius Robert Mayer discovered the Law of Conservation of Energy. In its most compact form, it it now called the First Law of Thermodynamics: "energy is neither created nor destroyed."
It is true that those laws were proposed on those dates.
Then the mass defect was discovered in radioactive decay, and nuclear bombs were built to transform matter into large quantities of energy. Your information is outdated. Get a textbook from this century.

>>679932766
> There was a point in time when uranium could not have existed, because it always breaks down in a highly systematic, controlled way. It is not stable like lead or other elements. It breaks down. This means there was a specific moment in time when all radioactive elements came into existence. All of them—uranium, radium, thorium, radon, polonium, francium, protactinium and others—have not existed forever.
Correct. Elements heavier than iron are formed by fusion in supernovas.

> This flies directly in the face of evolutionary thought—that everything gradually evolved into something else.
Evolution is the theory which describes how life which exists diversifies and changes over time. It has nothing to do with nucleosynthesis.

> Second of all, where did the energy come from?
It didn't. It was always here.

Agnostic what, OP? Agnostic christian? Agnostic atheist, muslim, jew... what?

If you mean you don't care about religion one way or another then say that. No such thing as agnostic nothing. You do lean one way or another whether you'd care to admit it or not.

It's like if you said you were gnostic, 100% certain... and leaving it at that. Well, what the fuck are you certain of? See how that works, OP. There's any belief and then you're either agnostic of gnostic toward the belief. So what's your belief, OP? Or are you trying to figure that out?

>>679920827
k den Benny.

>>679934071
During the radioactive decay called beta decay, tremendous amounts of energy were being produced. This was expected, but what was not was that the energy amounts released varied widely for the exact same decay process. The amounts should always have been the same. This was very puzzling to the early researchers and I believe it was Niels Bohr who proposed that the Law of Conservation of Energy was being violated. Of course, this turned out to not be the case.
The correct answer was a new particle called the "neutrino," proposed about 1930 by Wolfgang Pauli. The neutrino was finally detected in 1952.

>>679933985
There has been several different subjects covered in this thread. His was one of them. So, your logic is that if the rest of the thread deals with one subject, then his must also? Wow....so wrong. But, you know that since it's an evasive tactic to not concede a point to a debate opponent. FAIL

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>>679931601
Hell will one day be the end of a souls existence.

Hell at this moment no longer exists.


When Christ died he emptied hell.
The rules changed.

What was at one time to be offered only to the "Chosen of God" is now offered to all.

Hell is not some where you go in ignorance.
It's duration's is up to you and to God.

I suspect a card cheater or a child rapist and murderer - will find hell to be a very different experience.

So bottom line is Hell is some where you do not want to go regardless of how ever long it may last. God is not going to put someone in Eternal fire and torture because they wore dirty underpants on the Sabbath.

>>679933573
Their is no credibly reliable evidence a 950 year old drunk built an impossibly large wooden craft to hold 2 of every animal on earth while a god hit the reset button after fucking up he's own divine plan, for the 3rd time.
Their is no evidence Jesus was ever a real man, seeming he's entire life was copy pasted from earlier myths, that where copy pasted from even earlier myths, in a book written at least 80 years after he's supposed death by anonymous authors who never meet him.

>>679934555
Congratulations, you just cited a source that proves matter can be converted into energy. Thank you.

>>679934952
You're welcome.

>>679934947
OK then. Thanks for the input.

>>679934352
>It didn't. It was always here.
So you believe in something eternal.

>>679934811
>So bottom line is Hell is some where you do not want to go regardless of how ever long it may last. God is not going to put someone in Eternal fire and torture because they wore dirty underpants on the Sabbath.
But the fact remains, most "religious" fags down throughout recorded history have believed things that retarded. Why does faith create epic retardation?

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>>679934947
That is the foolish teaching of modern American Christians.

As I stated above Noah's flood was NOT a World wide event. He only had to carry animals from the Middle East. The purpose of the flood was to destroy the Gheber, hybrids much like Goliath that posed a serious thread to the Hebrew tribes. (Genesis 6:4)

>>679935280
Yes? Is that a problem? The universe is also eternal. It just turns out eternity has only been around 13-14 billion years or so.

"Combining cause and effect with the second law of thermodynamics, we reach a fascinating conclusion. Every physical effect has a cause and, over time, all systems have less usable energy. This means that the effect always has less usable energy than the cause. Stated another way, every cause results in a lesser effect -- one that is lesser in magnitude. The effect must have less energy, be less complicated and be less advanced than its cause since usable energy has been lost.
The theory of evolution states that a more “evolved” -- advanced -- life-form (the effect) stems from a simpler one (the cause), in violation of both cause and effect, and the second law of thermodynamics.

So begins the quandary of evolution…"

-David C. Pack

>>679935452
>It just turns out eternity has only been around 13-14 billion years or so.
If eternal has only existed for 14 billion years, then how did it always exist?

>>679935355
>American Christian
Why do Americans worship the Muslim god? Don't you all hate Muslims? Same god, Yahweh. Ya know, Jesus being an Arab and all.

>>679935531
> Who Is David C. Pack?
> As Pastor General of The Restored Church of God,
Done. Next.

>>679935661
Literally. That's all the times that there are. It's there in all of them.

>>679935355
FALSE

Genesis 7:23 Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.

>>679933284
Because you want me to take part in a pointless what if question. I'm tired of people getting so defensive about their "faith". We are the most intelligent species in this earth yet some still cling to " faith" as a defence. It is enough of a deterrence to stop people from actively searching for answers. I am not pigheaded enough to say there is no god as such a statement simply cannot be proven. That said I am an advocate of Darwin's theory as there is more proof and logic behind this theory.

>>679918402
There is NO conclusive data to actually prove/disprove any God-like, or deities, in general. But, being a science major and Christian, I have learned that there is so much that goes on in the body, so many things that make and don't make sense at all. Out of the entire knowledge in the universe, humans have only learned 4%... The other 96%? Mixtures of dark matter, anti-matter, non-physical, and possibly God/God-like knowledge is out there. It's hard to say that God isn't/is real when there is literally not that much to prove one or the other.

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>>679935316
Humans are retarded and arrogant and????

Give them a funny hat, a pulpit, and money, and their desire to lie and rule knows no bounds.

The way is wide to hell.

Just because a person claims to be purple does not mean it is true.

There is a lithmus test for Christians.

"By their fruit you shall know them."

The nine fruits of the Spirit are:
Love (Greek: agape, Latin: caritas)
Joy (Greek: chara, Latin: gaudium)
Peace (Greek: eirene, Latin: pax)
Patience (Greek: makrothumia, Latin: longanimitas)
Kindness (Greek: chrestotes, Latin: benignitas)
Goodness (Greek: agathosune, Latin: bonitas)
Faithfulness (Greek: pistis, Latin: fides)
Gentleness (Greek: prautes, Latin: modestia)
Self-control (Greek: egkrateia, Latin: continentia)

If it walks another path it is not a Christian.
(Very few really are)

>>679935843
>Literally. That's all the times that there are. It's there in all of them.
Which takes us back to the problem of what created our world, which is energy you say. But now you say energy has not always existed. So then, what caused the energy? How did it come to be?

>>679935760
The Christian God is a Triune God. The Muslim one is not. Jesus was a Jew, not an Arab.

Why do you criticize material that you obviously don't know?

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Ask of me and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and for thy possessions the ends of the earth. Thou shall break them with a rod of iron, thou shall dash them to pieces like a potter's vessel. Be wise now therefore ye kings, be admonished ye judges of the earth. Serve the lord with fear and rejoice with trembling, kiss the son lest he be angered thou his wrath be kindled but a little. All those who accept the lord will know peace.

Amen

>>679912272
>2016
>People still follow a religion.
I am not a atheist, but religion is pointless desu.
Prove me wrong.
>protip, you cant.

Second Law of Thermodynamics in an open or closed system explained:

"In an attempt to make the theory work, a debate between “open” and “closed” systems arises. The difference between the two is quite simple. In a closed system, there is no interference from an external source, so the second law applies without any complications. The system becomes more disorderly, entropic and stable over time strictly in line with the second law. On the other hand, it is argued that in an open system, external sources of energy allow a process to have more sustained energy—an increase in usable energy.
In the case of evolution, because our sun is supplying ample amounts of extra energy, Earth is no longer a closed system and can become less entropic (have more usable energy). And, since the sun is winding down, effectively transferring energy, the laws of thermodynamics in a closed system (the universe) are satisfied."

- David C. Pack

>>679935866
Shhh don't pop his delusion bubble, next you're gonna drop the whole Virgin Mary was a translation error bomb

>Several years ago I read that the word 'virgin', in the New Testament, was mistranslated from a Hellenistic Greek word or phrase. The correct translation was said to be 'a woman of marrying age' (or something similar), not the 'haven't had sex' definition.

>>679935870
As I said, and you admitted. You are an advocate, and are here to discredit, not discuss.

>>679936190
> Which takes us back to the problem of what created our world, which is energy you say.
Matter is composed of energy, yes. In the early universe, energy density was great enough to spontaneously condense into matter.

> But now you say energy has not always existed.
No, I did not say that. I said energy has always existed, and I clarified how long always was, since you seemed to think time went backwards forever.
> So then, what caused the energy? How did it come to be?
Nothing caused the energy. It was always here. Energy can't be created or destroyed.

>>679935760
Abraham's first son with his handmaiden Hagar (Ismal) was to become the forerunner of the Muslim people. Allah is another name of God Islam is another foolish religion. God said of Religions - They are the teachings and traditions of man that make void the word of God. I am no more a follower of Mohamed than I am a follower of the Pope. But God remains God regardless of the fools who follow him.

>>679936458
> Who Is David C. Pack?
> As Pastor General of The Restored Church of God,
Done. Next.

>>679936590
>Several years ago I read that the word 'virgin', in the New Testament, was mistranslated from a Hellenistic Greek word or phrase. The correct translation was said to be 'a woman of marrying age' (or something similar), not the 'haven't had sex' definition.
Is this true? Citation?

>>679936355
>Triune God
The Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit - How is this reliant?
Jesus was born in Jerusalem=
>Jerusalem, a Middle Eastern city west of the Dead Sea, has been a place of pilgrimage and worship for Jews, Christians and Muslims
He's Middle Eastern, Time to rethink all those 'white Jesus' pictures huh?

>>679936654
>Energy has always existed
>Energy has existed for 14 billion years
>Energy can't be created
>Energy came into existence about 14 billion years ago
>Energy has always existed
Do you not see how silly that sounds.

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>>679936060
You said it wrong. Humans have only extrapolated conclusions based on 5%(some numbers say 20%) of what is currently observable. To assume we have amassed 1/20th of all knowledge in existence is laughably absurd.

>>679936590

This explains the virgin reference

http://www.gotquestions.org/virgin-or-young-woman.html

>>679936654
What existed before the energy?

>>679937019
> Energy has always existed.
Correct.
> Energy has existed for 14 billion years.
Which is all of the years, hence, always. 14 billion years is the ways, and the energy is in all of them.
> Energy can't be created.
Correct.
> Energy came into existence about 14 billion years ago.
False. The energy didn't come into existence. It was always here.
> Energy has always existed.
Correct.
> Do you not see how silly that sounds.
I see how silly it sounds when you have to change what it was I said to match your own misunderstanding, and then get your lie corrected.

>>679935765
>>679936715
Not the scientific approach.
Done. Next.

>>679937019
energy was not created 14b years ago
14b years ago an event occurred that was so catastrophic that all matter and energy was changed so completely that it is impossible to know what state they had prior to that event

>>679936944
I'm a Protestant Lutheran. I never believed in a "white" Jesus. As I said, he was a Jew. Anything else you want to try and "one up" me with?

>>679937247
> What existed before the energy?
There is no such place. The big bang is the origin of time and space. There isn't a before. Your question is as nonsensical as "Who lives in the house north of the north pole?"
The answer isn't that nobody lives in the house, or even that there is no such house. There is no such place. It's literal nonsense.

>>679937388
>Which is all of the years, hence, always. 14 billion years is the ways, and the energy is in all of them.
And what existed before these 14 billions years?

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>>679935866
Nope badly translated.

I suggest you look up and read the 3 letters at the beginning of any copy of thew 1611 KJV of the Bible. Those Translators working for James realized they were far from the mark and said as much in 3 separate letters. They knew they were not up too the task and felt they had made great errors. AND THEY DID.

Much like men who look for ancient texts that mention "JESUS" Rather then "Yeshua ben Yosef" in Greek or Hebrew. They often find themselves on a wild goose chase. Like looking for Phoenice rather than Venice.

If you look up the Hebrew word used there as "face of the earth" You will find in Aramaic and Hebrew as well as Chaldean it was meant in far more local terms then the whole planet.

What you have read in English is simply a bad translation. Sorry.

Suggested tools for modern bible readers:

Bullinger's Companion Bible (KJV)
Strong's Concordance.

With these tools you can actually look up the meaning of Biblical words which often differs from meanings in modern English.

>>679937524
When he makes a scientific publication to peer review, he can get the benefit of the scientific approach.

>>679937686
>There is no such place. The big bang is the origin of time and space. There isn't a before.
So in other words, NOTHING existed.
And we all know what nothing produces. Thanks for playing.

>>679937768
> What existed before these 14 billion years?
There is no such place. The big bang is the origin of time and space. There isn't a before. Your question is as nonsensical as "Who lives in the house north of the north pole?"
The answer isn't that nobody lives in the house, or even that there is no such house. There is no such place. It's literal nonsense.

>>679937836
No thanks.

>>679937247
A mass singularity bound by supersymetrical forces that it synergistically created in larger and larger quantities until in forced mass expansion.

>>679937894
>When he makes a scientific publication to peer review, he can get the benefit of the scientific approach.
Someone rotted in science and understanding of how the universe works, should be able to take on challenges, regardless if you think the author is worthy or not.

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>>679936590
You too should read my reply.

I am under no delusions at all when it comes to men of organized religion reaching the wrong conclusions about the Bible and its meanings.

Please see here.. >>679937836

>>679937903
> So in other words, NOTHING existed.
Yes. In other words, words which you change from the ones I said so they become wrong, nothing existed.
Good job knocking down your strawman.
There was never a nothing. There is no such time or place for there to be one in. There is no time at which there was a nothing. That time does not exist. Nothings can't be. Nothing and be are opposites.

>>679937958
>There is no such place. The big bang is the origin of time and space. There isn't a before.
So in other words, NOTHING existed.
And we all know what nothing produces. Thanks so much for playing.