How high are you right now

>>679252414
There is no evidence to suggest that anything happens when a person dies. All evidence points to the brain as the reason for consciousnessand when it ceases to function, so does everything else.

>>679252414
Nothing. A complete cessation of consciousness. Finally some goddamn time for a nap.

>>679252931
/thread

>>679252414
>There is no evidence to suggest that anything happens when a person dies. All evidence points to the brain as the reason for consciousness and when it ceases to function, so does everything else.

This. Have you ever gone to sleep only to wake up what seems like moments later, but in reality several hours have passed? Well, death is like that except there is no waking up.

>>679253007
Unfortunately i think I think you're correct. Although I hope this is not what happens.

>>679253007
when your phone breaks does that mean that the person on the other side dies?

>>679253324
Wishful thinking has propelled religions on for centuries. It's time we realize the truth and fight for a better life while we all have a life to fight for.

>>679253533
That question has nothing to do with consciousness after death. Other people are only involved in an indirect way. Only through them will your memory carry on, but their perspective is different than yours.

>>679252414
you become one with the khala

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>>679253913
I accept that as a possibility, but not as known absolute. The body is made of non-living things, as we label them, but does that really mean that life comes from non-living things. I don't think that makes much sense. There should probably be a shift in perspective/understanding. Just not sure what it should be.

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>>679252414
i want to reincarnate. Not as like a tiger, a bear, or any other gay shit though. I want to be a fucking jack rabbit. I'd live my days fist fighting with other jack rabbits to fuck women jack rabbits. It's always been my dream since I was a kid to be a jack rabbit. I would wear my bunny ears and hop through the hallways to class. I got in a fight with a kid once because he called me retarded. So I got up and just jumped at him and started punching him. He was so confused and it only made it worse that I started making this noise https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhiB0ipGauA

No one every fucked with me again.

>>679253533
What? That's a terrible analogy

>>679253007
Well, something happens. You're consciousness probably won't endure. But shit definitely happens when the body expires.

Our consciousness is generated by our brain. No brain, no consciousness.
When you die you just cease to exist. It's not that bad. You didn't exist for billions of years before you were born.

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You just kind of remain. Kind of like when the wind blows and some dust particles shine in the sun and flutter along and you think it looks nice. Or when you look up at the stars and feel a connectedness with nature. Those are your ancestors and they live through you and your kin. He der ha de Wodan.

>>679252414
much like a light bulb burning out, you just stop. there is nothing after death. the lump of tissue that had been stimulated by electro chemical action starts to cool down and rot starts. oblivion, and not the cool elder scroll type is all that awaits

>>679255674
spooky

>>679254898
Definitely, huh? Can you prove that?

>>679255176

It's not so much me being afraid or worried about dying. I'm just terribly sad that people, particularly my Mom, will probably die before me. I hate the very idea that everything that makes people who they are just ceases to exist. Out of your life forever. No way to get it back.

I pray there is a God, that there is an afterlife where I can see my friends and family again one day.

>>679254898
>But shit definitely happens
It does. Your body starts to decompose

>>679254636
All evidence points to this conclusion. To refuse it is either ignorance, arrogance, or both.

>>679255917
idk, i see it as comforting. like a rest after hard work

>>679253533
>implying you ever made a call

>>679256466
kek'd
and checked

>>679256129
That's called wishful thinking. Unfortunately, it isn't very productive.

>>679256129
I know what you mean fam

>>679256129
It's something you have to accept. There's no way out of it.
It sucks, but that's our reality.

>>679256760

Neither is reflecting on the realistic results of death. It's just a hope I have and a discussion we're having.

>>679256129
Better pray to a couple gods, juuuust in case.

>>679252414
Forty-six and 2

>>679257056

If I found out that the only God was a Jewish God or Aztec diety, I'd convert in a heartbeat.

>>679256960
Realizing that nothing happens after you die is actually very productive. It forces you to get on with it and experience things you otherwise wouldn't because you don't have another chance. If you're loving for the afterlife, are you even living? Get out there. Love, travel, be sad, make mistakes, and learn. That's what makes life an experience. Divorcing myself from the idea of a patriarchal dictator giving me a second chance was the best thing that ever happened to me. I just lost my cousin. She was 22 years old. Is love to be able to see her again, but I know I can't. I grieve, then live my life and love who I have left.

>>679257662
Living for the afterlife*

Human beings can't comprehend "forever" or "eternity", and your consciousness can't comprehend not being conscious so it's useless and stupid to try and comprehend death as dark nothing forever
No one thinks that until some jaded old pessimist tells them

>>679258017
It isn't useless and pessimistic to be correct. And for not being able to comprehend eternity, there sure are a lot of religious people asking me to believe in their version of it.

>>679257662
You're retarded
Thinking your life is a meaningless waste of time does not make it better
You might do okay at first, but will slowly degrade as you question things and realize more and more things are pointless
Whatever you're living for will eventually crumble, if not now then later

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>>679258298
Also, we can comprehend unconsciousness. We do that every night. It's called sleeping.

I hope when it ends, it really ends.. and not just begin some other shit

>>679258380
I don't think my life is a meaningless waste of time. I actually think the opposite. Since there isn't an afterlife, this is all we have. This precious blink of an eye. Let's not waste it on baseless shit like preparing ourselves for an eternity that won't come.

>>679258773
You reincarnate.. as a nigger... in africa... and you have aids.

>>679257662
So literally... YOLO ?

>>679258380
Also, cute projection. Someone has daddy issues.

>>679258963
>nigger.
the reset was implied

>>679258380
>retarded

Accepting reality and living life to the fullest.

>>679258976
Kind of, yeah. But not in the sense that these faggot rappers use it. Just live fire this life. Don't live for the next one. Especially since there's no reason to believe it will ever come.

>>679259377
Faggot autocorrect is a faggot. For* not fire.

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>>679259529
do you live by this ?

>>679259756
I try my best to. I travel when I can, I surround myself with positive people, I go out of my way to learn new things, and I do things that make me happy. That's what life should be about.

>>679252414
to look at what happens when you die you must look at it from another persons perspective. Your body stops moving and talking. Your brain stops sending electrical impulses to your body. Your consciousness ceases to exist within and without your body. All other life continues. (without life there is no time)

>>679252414
When you die, its amazing, a ton of things happen after you die, just none of them involve you because you're dead.

>>679260055
I have to say, its hard to believe that you hope living your life to the fullest, but still lurks on the best wait possible of waisting your time,

>>679260516
What? That actually made zero sense.

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>>679256129
better hope you live long enough to be uploaded and transferred to new bodies indefinitely

>>679260516
tldr
>wants to Carpe Diem
>browses /b/
choose one

>>679252931
Actually its already been shown thats not true. Its been observed in cases where full cessation of brain activity occurred, but the person was somehow saved. If consciousness was only in your brain, full cessation would be like a a full reset with programmed instinct intact but personality blank. This didn't happen.

>>679260796

The only problem with the is the consciousness conundrum.

Would the new body "actually be you"? Or would it be " someone who thinks it's you and had your memories, but is actually someone else entirely"?

>>679260516
I think I've deciphered your mangled horseshit that's trying to pass as an English sentence. You're saying that you believe I'm trying to live life to the fullest, but you still think it's a waste of time. Did I get that right? Its hard to tell what you actually meant. Why is it a waste of time to live for the only life we have? You haven't cleared that up yet. You just assert it.

>>679261221
Citation needed.

I think death would be like when you fall asleep with no dreams or thoughts, only neverending darkness. In a physical sense, my body will rot away and eventually become fossil fuel or soil fit for plants. If the planet lasts that long after my death.

>>679261361
see
>>679261084

>>679261084
I browse /b/ before I go to bed. I enjoy it. Doing this you enjoy is carpe diem. Next.

Dunno for sure but i know there's more to it. Last time i died i ended up in my back yard, floating away from myself.
I can stop my heart at will, though that was the only time i went all the way with it. Almost missed my chance to jump start it back up.... Was scary... And very fucking painful.... Having to wait for your blood to circulate so you can move fukking sucks... Then the throb and tingle over every inch....
2/10, would not repeat.

>>679261990
Yeah autism is a real bitch, huh?

>>679261990
wut

>>679261520
Niel degrass explained it in an interview recently. Too lazy to look it up.

>>679262101
Guess That depends on Your spectrum. Would love Your Imput.

>>679261990
>Last time i died
>"Last time I had an autistic episode"

>>679262111
Its not like its unheard of. Controlling your heart rate is a pretty early form of physical meditation. Pretty easily accomplished. Most people aren't stupid enough to take it as far as i did tho.

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>>679261520

http://www.horizonresearch.org/Uploads/Journal_Resuscitation__2_.pdf

>>679262268
First of all, Neil DeGrasse Tyson is an astrophysicist, not a neurosurgeon. Secondly, if that happened, it was probably due to an electric stimuli used on the brain to effectively give it a jump. Much like a defibrillator to a heart. If the organ ceased functioning, you have to act very fast, but there's a possibility to save it. I meant after death. Brain dead and clinically dead are different things.

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>>679261253
That so called 'conundrum' makes no sense

First of what is consciousness?

Well simply put our brains work as mass filters for all the inputs they revive. We are aware of a lot more then what we can physically think, this information is however not expressed to our higher processing regions. There are a couple models explaining this phenomena.

The brian is a circuit, we are aware of only the circuits that have significance to us at a given time. However that is only a fraction of the circuits functioning at that given time. If you were to neurally upload a brain, like the way a rat has been uploaded, you would transfer ALL circuits. You would transfer your entire self, it would not be a copy, it would be you.

One large problem currently is neural plasticity which is very hard to model.

>>679262546
...right...
I think your doctor got schizophrenia and autism confused when you were diagnosed.

>>679252414
>what do you think happens when you (you specifically and nobody else) die?
What happened before you were born?

>>679262763
On mobile. Won't let me open the file.

>>679263041
My mom and dad fucking?

>>679262841
Yea, he wasn't quoting his own study, just one that intrigued him.

>>679262892
I don't even know what point you're trying to make. You didn't "die" in your back yard, otherwise you would be dead...

>>679263180
Was my assumption close to what he described? I really have no idea what the study was about or how they came to their conclusions.

>>679263192
No my heart stopped in my bedroom and suddenly i was in my back yard.
Though technically you're correct, one only truly dies once in a lifetime, regardless of your beliefs.

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>>679252414
I'll be greeted by Amida Buddha, who will take me to the Underworld. From there, I will have to go on a journey that eventually takes me to the River Styx, and after that, I'll eventually reach Lord Enma himself. He will then judge me based on my actions in this life, and sentence me to periods of time to be spent in one of the Heaven realms or the Hell realms until I am reborn. This is all of course, if I don't attain Nirvana in this life.

>>679263435
You were obviously raped

>>679263435
Ok so you had a seizure or soemthing. You can't "stop your heart at will". That is nonsense.

>>679263500
Someone paid attention in history class.

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>>679263132

http://www.resuscitationjournal.com/article/S0300-9572(14)00739-4/abstract

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>>679263760
All self-taught. Though I can't prove anything I said, I strongly suggest you die while wearing clothes.

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>>679252414
This says it all

>>679252414
In a prospective study of 344 consecutive survivors of cardiac arrest in ten Dutch hospitals…. 62 patients (18%) reported some recollection of the time of clinical death…. About 50% of the patients with an NDE reported awareness of being dead, or had positive emotions, 30% reported moving through a tunnel, had an observation of a celestial landscape, or had a meeting with deceased relatives. About 25% of the patients with an NDE had an out-of-body experience, had communication with ‘the light’ or observed colours, 13% experienced a life review, and 8% experienced a border…

There are also reports of people hearing noises or seeing and hearing people talking during their out of body experiences, while they're clinically dead and should be unable to use those senses, but somehow they're able to recall those things.

I think we should look for the research by people who have studied near death experiences, for answers to what could possibly lie beyond that, as those probably have the most conclusive evidence (or the only evidence supported by any actual logic)

>>679263991
Since you can't prove anything you say, I have no obligation to listen further. I will therefore die naked and proud.

>>679253979
hahahaha

>>679252414
Its a mystery really. I try not to worry about what happens because one day I shall know first hand. I just try to be a decent person in the meanwhile.

You die and is the end of the road, nothing happens next.

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>>679264204
I...I don't want to be there when you reach the Old Crone.

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>>679263835
Okay, but this kind of refutes the other argument, right? They're conscious during CA.

>>679264357
Don't worry. That doesn't exist.

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>>679264327
much like before you were born

>>679263727
I can still remember my heart beat as i made it stop.
Plus I've had a seizure since then. Totally different.

law of conservation of souls

as soon as you die your soul transfers to another new born baby

/.therefore the population of the world is stable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnXxC-nVsJY

>>679252931

dogma, not science

>>679264843
But it isn't stable. The world's population has been steadily increasing for over a century.

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>>679264448

CA = Cardiac Arrest = Global shutdown of brainwave activity

People report exactly what happened during these periods. Thus, materialism is false.

>>679264912
How is that dogma?

>>679252414

short answer: same as before you were born. cf sixth ancestor story: 'what was your original face before your parents were born'. sitting a few sesshins helps to see this clearly

>>679264843
I somewhat agree with that, but what was that guys soul doing 60 years prior to that kid being born?

I will either die and the universe will cease to exist

Or I will be mysteriously unable to die, and death will not be real for me as it is for others. Even if I am wounded and sick and old and withered somehow life will continue, because if it did not there would be nothing

Or I will die but the universe will continue to experience itself through others and one I is as good as another, so I will be the rest of them

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We Return To The Great Unknowable Spiritual Maelstrom That Exists Around This Planet's Gravity

>>679265005
There's the theory that alot of old souls came back for some reason, so even though no new ones are sparking, the population continues to increase without a huge amount of still births.

>>679262763
>http://www.horizonresearch.org/Uploads/Journal_Resuscitation__2_.pdf

assumption: Consciousness is part of the stream of actions occurring within your brain, which is dependent on the uniqueness of every brain structure.

If you die, after a certain amount of time, it is fair to assume that neural activity involved in the construction of consciousness has ended as well.

However, if by x reason you were to be rebooted, consciousness can be constructed again with whatever machinery is left within the brain, if applicable.

Often brain damage happens during those events (e.g. stroke, MCI, etc.) and although the person might be conscious again, they might also have enough personality changes due to the change in brain structure during death that some people would argue they are a different person.

These are all assumptions but it is interesting to think that you die and live every moment, if consciousness as a stream is an illusion within an everchanging brain, then 'you' only exist for this moment.

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>>679265472
Can peoples souls be retarded? Or is their soul trapped in a living retard hell

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>>679265104

http://anti-matters.org/articles/8/public/8-8-1-PB.pdf

The evidence for an afterlife is sufficiently strong and compelling that an unbiased person
ought to conclude that materialism is a false theory. Yet the academy refuses to examine
the evidence, and clings to materialism as if it were a priori true, instead of a
posteriori false. I suggest several explanations for the monumental failure of curiosity on
the part of academia. First, there is deep confusion between the concepts of evidence and
proof. Second, materialism functions as a powerful paradigm that structures the shape of
scientific explanations, but is not itself open to question. The third explanation is intellectual
arrogance, as the possible existence of disembodied intelligence threatens the
materialistic belief that the educated human brain is the highest form of intelligence in
existence. Finally, there is a social taboo against belief in an afterlife, as our whole way of
life is predicated on materialism and might collapse if near-death experiences, particularly
the life review, was accepted as fact.

>>679265801
I would probably go with the latter. Like being dealt a bad hand.

>>679265263
in the in which i beileve in the soul has no place to rest... so in his case he either forgot about his last life and remember the one before...

i have met people who have known both their last lifes and have shown mind blowing proof... such as taking me to their old homes and introducing me to their wives and unlocking safes and showing where they used to hide their guns ... its carzy

>>679265005
its always been stable its just now a days more people move to cities so you think the population increased when in reality its been stable... we are still finding tribes hidden in the amazon that dont know what electricty is ...

>>679265801
Technically, if you believe in rebirth, a soul that denies knowledge and growth will essentially come back stupider and stupider till itsthrown into the galactic garbage bin. Lol.

>>679265945
Do you think it could be a form of punishment?

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>>679265030
So a minority of people recalled things that could be explained by hallucinations and misfirings from a dying brain and you call that evidence? Riiiight...

>>679266352
Form of punishment? Like in a religious context? I don't think so.

>>679266267
Are you fucking dumb? The population is over 10 times what it was 100 years ago.

I took shrooms once and imagined that if I jumped from the balcony of my apartment the universe would reconfigure itself as I hit the ground as I realised that life until then had been a hallucination generated for myself by me. Death would shatter the hallucination briefly until it was replaced by another, with an unknowable new set of laws and rules and structure such as the world 'we' know has. Existence just a hell occupied by myself alone and created to as a distraction ..

>>679266654
For those that said they had it, I mean.

>>679266807
The mysterious stranger by mark twain is pretty rad

>>679265801
Oh, you mean literally mentally ill... That'd be the latter. Though some schools of thought say you choose your trials before life so it's more like "well, fuck...might as well get my retarded life out of the way now..."

>>679253190
This

>>679265918
I'm gonna level with you, I don't have time to read 16 pages before this thread dies.

>>679267220
Unfortunately, second.

>>679266741
the stats are flawed

the birth rate was a lot higher and the death rate was higher a long time ago

now its low birth rate and high death rate

you dont actually believe thos stats do you ...

>>679265918
>>679267220
But I will point out that you can't make a claim from this research either way because it isn't compete yet. Saying materialism is false and using this study as evidence is intellectually dishonest at this point.

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>>679266544

Are you on drugs?

People experiencing CA should have zero experiences if the brain is what creates consciousness, since there is no brainwave activity going on..

>>679252414
I think that when I die, that'll be the end of me and everything I've ever known. That'll be the end of my consciousness and my body will decompose in the ground. I can see it as being sad, but at the same time ensures me that I only have one life to live and I better not waste it. My goal is to make my mark on this world. Whether it's kids, owning a company, etc. the memory of me will live on through the people I've met and had an impact on.

>>679267400
*low death rate

>>679253190
Sleep is not a loss of conciousnes it's s diffrent level of it. People can still perceive things to a degree and you still dream. Unconscious would be a complete lack of perception of one's senses for example when you get knocked out. People who are knocked out are almost completely unaffected by their surrounds and require extreme stimuli at times to be roused, smelling salts or poppers.

>>679253533
But who was phone???

>>679267543
That is a worthy goal for the hallucination of a blind idiot god

>>679267506
Agreed. Not the poster tho. But i believe this is sufficient in denying our current definitions. It just doesn't give and answers... Only reopens the questions.

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>>679252414
I think about this a lot OP. When I do, I think about mathematics. I know it sounds nongermane to the idea of life as a biological phenomenon, but allow me to briefly explain.

Mathematics has this funny way of arriving at answers to questions that the world's brightest physicists have yet to discover. We know many times what the calculations suggest, yet we don't always know how to begin to attempt to disprove them. An example is Einstein's Theory of Special Relativity, a part which suggested the presence of gravitational waves which resonate through the fabric of spacetime by the interaction of supermassive objects rotating at high speeds. These waves were recently detected a hundred years after they were proposed.

To relate this idea of physics to death, or "afterlife", the second law of thermodynamics states in summary that energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only change from one form to another. Taking that idea, we can dissect what makes us conscious. We are not our bodies, but we are our brains, transmuting billions of electrical signals to stimulate chemicals which attempt, through our senses, to interpret the world around us. Even when we are "unconscious", our brain is maintaining control and constantly interpreting the world around us by firing electrical signals. When we die, these SIGNALS ceasefire, and so a complete cessation of brain activity results. So, the "afterlife consciousness" deal is a flop, so to speak.

However, to think that our ENERGY is lost is inconsistent with the second law of thermodynamics. Our energy, as a part of the Universe as a closed system, will remain unchanged.

So, the question here is this: do we carry more than just physical energy? Is there a part of our innate existence as conscious beings somehow consistent with entropy? If so, what is it and how does it relate to us as being "alive"?

I don't know the answer, but I am certain that math will eventually stumble upon a solution.

>>679267114
Thats pretty fucking crazy dude.

>>679267518
If they are being resuscitated via an electrical impulse, the brain could receive stimuli and misfire. But, as I said, I don't have the specifics of the case.

>>679252414
In Soviet Russia, death does not believe in you!

>>679265918
You wrote all that and you haven't given a single reason as to why the afterlife would exist.
You just criticize materialism as an acedemical concept, but that doesn't make whatever stands opposed to materialism true. And like the other guy said: Don't just slap 16 pages of mumbo jumbo in someone's face and expect them to read it. Give at least a summary of the core points.
And in case your comment was that summary, that isn't evidence either way.

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wrong image, sorry.

>>679268035
Thanks, anon. I'm being bombarded on all fronts and it's difficult to keep track.

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I don't believe in death.

I dated a nihilistic girl into bhuddism.

I disagree with nihilism and she would try to convince me of the bhuddist ideal of impermanance. She said we will all die sooner or later.. thats a truth, a certainty.


I told her that she is incorrect.

She is not wrong because accepting her idea leads to her conclusion, its because rejecting that premise allows the mind to think of other conclusions.

We can enhance our bodies, augment our minds, and virtualize our thought processes. The human race is becoming resilient. One day a generation will be born not to die - but to transform.

>>679267970
Its one of the ideas i love to think about... Its kinda comforting in a weird way. But its a theory i ascribe no opinion to. Just a fun thought.

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>>679267220
>>679267308
>>679267506

But the question is answered: It's materialistic dogma to say that there is no evidence for survival, since there is plenty of it.

NDEs literally prove the reality of survival, but we collectively as a society and culture refuse to acknowledge it for a lot of different non-scientific reasons.

>>679268035
.......... Whats the point of life itself?
You're saying some pretty unscientific things there... Denying possibility out of lack of answers....

>>679261221
Not a neuroscientist, but that sounds like bull. If you unplug your PC, does the lack of electricity and use make it forget everything? No. And amnesia in humans from near death is more like corruption of the files in a PC than a reset.

>>679268460
As I've already stated, resuscitation is possible after a short period of time. I meant after the time allotted to resuscitation had passed. I didn't know people would actually get that confused.

I just wanna say, props /b/, never expected this thread to become this legit.

>>679268578
Life has no objective point or purpose. And a lack of answers should be denied. That's the whole point.

>>679268295
I personally like the idea of a heaven. A reward for being decent in life and surpassing lifes obstacles.
The idea of Hell seems pointless to me. I like to think you just get reborn or signed to guardian angel duty or some shit.

>>679268578
Are just being stupid right now?
You said that there was concrete ecidence for an afterlife, but all your comment was talking about is how materialism is bad.
Criticizing some idea is not proof for any opposing ideas.

Just like in moments of falling asleep you can have a dream that feels like days. Perhaps our dying brain will dream another life.

>>679261221
I think you're confusing 'stopped' with 'destroyed'. The brain isn't RAM, you can't just assume that it does a full memory wipe if it's not on.

>>679269064
Unfortunately many people believe heaven is only attainable by believing in their god. Unbelievers who perform good deeds need not apply.

>>679268777
Oh, you're kinda confused. The brain is more like an always on server. One which can't hold the information without constant power. Not too mention magnetism is involved in hard drives, which is a very long lasting energy. Unplug it and wait a couple hundred years. It will be empty.

>>679253533
As far as I know, everyone I've ever met ceases to exist when I'm not interacting with them. So yeah.

>>679268777
actually computers lose data without electricity.

read about volitile and non-volitile RAM

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>>679268035
>You wrote all that and you haven't given a single reason as to why the afterlife would exist.

lol gtfo troll the entire article is about the fact that THERE IS EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE PROVING THE REALITY OF AN AFTERLIFE

Man, I could never be a teacher. The dumb, sometimes it's just too much.

>And in case your comment was that summary, that isn't evidence either way.

It wasn't meant to be evidence, it was meant to be an argument, you useless rhetorician. I've already provided evidence here:

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>>679263835

Please, don't reply with stupid again.

>>679269323
I just simplified. Yours is the more exact analogy

>>679269076
You're confusing like three different posters. I said I've died, but don't know the full extent of what happened. Just that i wasn't really in my body... And my connection to my body was quickly fading.

>>679269021
No... I lack of answers should produce questions, not answers.

>>679254636
You're trying to explain reality by intuition alone. This generally leads to ridiculous ideas. There should be a shift in understanding away from that kind of guesswork.

>>679269628
>anecdotal evidence
>sample size: 1
Great job there, buddy. Now I'm convinced.

>>679269494
And I told you why that wasn't evidence here: >>679267506

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>As I've already stated, resuscitation is possible after a short period of time. I meant after the time allotted to resuscitation had passed.

Death is a process, and it begins with the onset of CA.

You don't get to make up your own definitions of death.

>>679258556
sleeping isnt losing consciousness, it endures in a different manner, you have never actually experienced being unconscious, believe it or not, unless f course, you experience brain death

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>>679269302
Well nobody really knows shit about the afterlife. Just ideas people have been thinkin of since the beginning of time, fitting their society.
I like surprises so the greatest one of them all should be real fucking neato.

>>679269064
Hell is a mistranslation mixed with nordic hel. Originally, in hebrew, the word for hell was the word for the town dump. A big hole where everyone threw their trash.

>>679269754
Okay, wait. A lack of answers to what? I think there was a misunderstanding.

>>679267748
Well thanks, man

>>679269494
If you think that just drowning people in 10+ pages articles is a legit way to argue on 4chan, you're fucking retarded.
As I said before: At least summarize the core points and argue with them yourself, don't just say 'durr hurr, read article' because the thread would be long gone by then.

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>>679269877

Calling a philosophical paper a study is quite ridiculous and a non-argument.

Here's the study:

>>679262763

>>679269865
Guess what? I'm not a fucking scientist studying this topic. Fukking duh.

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>>679253190

Hate to tell you this but you wake up. It's just a different reality. I've died so many times.

>>679269899
The autism is real with you. If you don't understand that, then good luck with anything else.

>>679262849
but you cant posses two bodies in other words that consciousness is yours, but you are not experience it, capiche?

>>679252414
Nothing happens other than your body decaying and all of the memories you carry disappearing forever.
Death is eternal nothing, faggot.

>>679270107
Most likely. I didn't quite understand your post so probably assumed incorrectly.

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I like to believe that when I die, i'll be I guess 'reincarnated' as well... me. Not the same body,or same look, but same personality, traits & skills.

But the logical side of me realizes that when we die, it will be nothing. We will have nothing to worry about, because there will be nothing to bother us. We will no longer think, feel, or exist.

>>679270267
I already said I couldn't access that because I'm on mobile and it wouldn't open. And I was referring to a summary of the study I found after a bit of leg work online. There's a screenshot I posted on here somewhere, I'm too tired to bother looking for it.

>>679258380
Spoken like a true retard.

Just because you can't live without clinging to the warm fuzzy feeling of the nearest convenient religion doesn't mean everyone is that incompetent.

Some people can actually face reality.

>>679270680
The answers I meant were the lack of answers provided from the side asserting life after death.

>>679266544
>>679270753
>>679270267
Here you go.

>>679252414
Well no one can ever know if there's life after death. No one will ever know, you can only believe.

I like to think that there's something after death, I have many thoughts on what could happen but I will never know. If there is something I don't think you would know that you had a previous life.

>>679270470
Why does everyone here have such a violent misunderstanding of autism...?

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>>679270240
>At least summarize the core points and argue with them yourself, don't just say 'durr hurr, read article' because the thread would be long gone by then.

Yeah, I've done that before but then you get "hurpa durpa no evidence just words and opinions where's the data" instead.

Also I'm not trying to "win" anything, just giving curious lurkers a chance to research further on their own.

The tl;dr is "There is plenty of data empirically falsifying materialism and proving an afterlife. It gets ignored, marginalized and ridiculed for cultural, sociological and emotional reasons, by scientists and religious people alike."

Or just https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwyVFW9kT8k

>>679271310
I know what autism is. It's called a joke. You know what a joke is, right?

>>679270925
The problem is theres too many answers and its really hard to study with even our current scientific understanding.

>>679271616
Even if can't kind an answer, we don't need to know the correct answer to start pragmatically ruling out wrong ones.

>>679271423
I don't find it funny when someone chooses to insult both an entire demographic and someone trying to have a legitimate conversation instead of actually saying anything to the subject. Thats fox news shit.

>>679253675
Kind of true. Us humans only have religion to explain things that we can't explain and we use afterlife as a way of keeping humans in order and to keep us happy cos obviously the thought of absence in our mind will drive you a bit crazy... But then again I s'pose religion is pretty crazy especially if you believe in a singular God.

>>679271859
True. Yet were unable to even do that. Disproving popular religion is easy because it has little to do with the original dogma. Look at jews vs gnostics.

>>679271616
>>679271859
Look. We're arguing over the meaning of life at this point, if I'm not mistaken. There really no reason to believe in anyone else's making of life. Just give it your own meaning.

>>679252414
Sounds like Brahman to me which is the only religious thing that ever made sense to me other than basic morality. Sure why not? Whatever the fuck happens, it's too complicated for my dumb ass to figure out or ever comprehend. All I care about is how I die (please God not a heart attack) and whatever happens, happens. However i think you're probably close in some way.

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>>679270753
>>679271185

But I've already replied to that

>>679267518

And in case you wrote >>679267991, please know that is at best an ad hoc explanation for which you have zero evidence, or more likely pure fantasy in your own delusional mind that you summon in order to avoid the cognitive dissonance caused by the data.

>>679271949
The weird shit is when peoples who never had contact have the same beliefs.

When I was 1 or 2 I had dreams and visions of going through fields with long baskets picking green things off plants. In a long line of people with baskets. The sun was going down and we tried to hurry.

Fast forward some decades later and I believe these were visions of a past life as a druid.

>>679268293
this. we are on the verge of transhumanism, and I hope to last long enough to replace my flesh

>>679254707
Fuckin' kek

>>679272144
Agreed. I just love taking in new ideas. We wont know for sure till its too late, so i just wanna enjoy the topic while i can.

>>679272260
Yeah, probably not. You probably just had watched or heard something along the lines of that, dreamed it, and looked too deep into it.

>>679269411
hi joe

>>679272156
It isn't fucking evidence, you idiot. An inconclusive test proves nothing. Get the fuck over it.

>>679272472
Glad you agree. So if there isn't a reason to believe something, don't believe it. That's my entire argument. Glad we can see eye to eye on this.

>>679272245
No not weird at all. Bee's and wasps aren't the only animals to have a hivemind, all creatures have it. How else can you evolve if we're not all interlinked to one another? You get me?

When you die, you either wind up in Heaven or Hell, depending on whether or not you've accepted Christ as your personal Lord and Savior.

Everybody is a Christian after they die.

>>679272995
Everyone is dead when they die.

>>679272995
Neat. You mind proving that?

Nothing. I die, I stop perceiving the world I was in contact with and the world goes on without me.

It's not a bad thing, mind you.

>>679272475
Not poster but its a pretty common phenomena. To the point that the described lives have been identified through old newspapers and family listings, even though the individual I question didn't do anything of enough merit for the child to ever have heard of them before the dream.
The ether is another possible answer however.

A lot of this talk reminds me of Tom Campbell's My Big Toe about how conciousness is the subjective reality that creates simulations for us to grow to reduce entropy or some shit.

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>>679272593
>It isn't fucking evidence, you idiot.

You're right, a peer-reviewed study published in a prestigious medical journal does not constitute evidence.

Keep moving dem goalposts. Move them all the way to Alpha Centauri.

>>679273188
Moving the goal posts? It was inconclusive. That's why it doesn't prove anything. They're still looking for explanations.

>>679272995
I know this is bait but it's poor bait, Hell doesn't exist, not even in the Bible. Nice try, though

>>679272828
That's a solid opinion which i cannot fault you for. Especially since my Frankenstein of a religion pretty much says it doesn't matter what you believe, the soul's gonna do what its gonna do.
Even the Buddha believed the afterlife wasn't for us to know. Call it human arrogance that we won't Just drop it. Lmao.

>>679252414

Faggot, you are the universe trying to understand itself, after you die you are just the particles you borrowed given back to the universe.

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>>679273368

What do you base these assertions on?

>>679273086
Dead to the first death, yes.
>>679273138
The hardened of heart wouldn't believe evidence even if it rose from the dead.
>>679273477
It's not bait; in fact this is the pot calling the kettle black. "Hell" absolutely exists in the bible. It's referenced a crazy amount of times in the New Testament alone.

>>679272995

Such a special snowflake.


Your religion, amongst hundreds or even thousands of others, is as likely to be wrong as any other.

You may not be able to accept it or even to think it through.. but your beliefs based on a book of questionable origin are as valid as the ones based on any other book of questionable origin.

bible, quran, tanakh, aletheon, ginza rba.. There's many to choose from!

Each to his own.

I love it when the universe questions itself. Very fascinating to see.

>>679273529
And according to scientific evidence, there isn't a logical reason to believe in a soul either.

>>679273668
Cute passages. Doesn't prove jack shit.

>>679272851
I understand that theory and while heartedly believe in an electrical connection Between people. I just don't believe it could happen with that much distance between groups of people.
100% personal opinion on that tho. Could be a quantum connection.

>>679272260
I was a baby. I didn't know or see anything. It confused me my whole life til I learned what druids were

>>679273668
No, Hell doesn't exist. "Hell" in the Bible is Earth absolutely destroyed and is where Satan is bound for 1000 years while judgement in Heaven is happening. If you're going to bait, bait with theological correctness you absolute faggot

>>679273619
The fact that they have no idea what's going on with the CA patients and the fact that they said further testing is needed.

>>679273940
Right, if you ignore every single reference to the lake of fire.

>>679252414
death is a social construct

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>>679252414
I will go to whatever heaven or hell I have prepared for myself on earth

>>679274019
That wasn't even referenced until the New Testament. They basically made more shit up to scare people into submission.

>>679273743
Sure there is. Just as much evidence that there is none. Zero evidence in both directions aside from rebirth accounts and nde and dmt.

>>679274019
The destroyed Earth is the lake of fire you silly

>>679273709
what do you mean exactly?

>>679274116
You're an absolute moron. The word "hell" is used 31 times in the Old Testament, and if you think they just "made shit up to scare people" then there's no point in even discussing why you're wrong.

>>679274190
If there's no evidence to believe something, there's no reason to. There's no evidence to the fact that there isn't one because you can't prove a negative.

>>679274305
Show me the passages.

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>>679273990

>The fact that they have no idea what's going on with the CA patients

But we do know what happens to the brain with the onset of CA. Stop saying false things.

>the fact that they said further testing is needed

That is the conclusion of every scientific study ever, it doesn't mean "therefore, this data means nothing".

>>679252414
Human consciousness cannot fathom itself ceasing. As far as you know, it has been both your tool for perceiving the world and the actual you. But it does cease.

And humans will use all matter of mental gymnastics to convince themselves that this is not so. There are a number of people who have died (and while the light at the end of the tunnel, tunnelvision thing IS TRUE) they say there is simply nothing.

And really, there is a lot of comfort in that. All religious people live in constant terror of not being righteous enough, or not believing in Jesus fervently enough. On their death bed, rather than being comforted by their faith, they are terrified if they did it right or not.

It is a bitter pill to swallow that your life will be completely over one day, but after you contemplate it a while, it no longer bothers you, in fact I find it comforting. Life has a great amount of pain and misery, the notion of never ceasing to exist is, to me, quite terrible.

There are two kinds of people in this world. Realists and idealists, a realist can accept an ugly truth (and life has many of them) an idealist will do all matter of mental gymnastics to delude themselves into believing a beautiful lie over the ugly truth. And strangely enough, idealists can be quite bright, bright enough to brilliantly pull the wool over their eyes.

>>679274427
Hell and destruction are never full; so the eyes of man are never satisfied (Proverbs 27:20)

But he knoweth not that the dead are there; and that her guests are in the depths of hell (Proverbs 9:18)

And thou wentest to the king with ointment, and didst increase thy perfumes, and didst send thy messengers far off, and didst debase thyself even unto hell (Isaiah 57:9)

Here are just 3, there's more if you actually look them up

>>679274351
I have personal evidence. I don't expect you to believe a lick of it but i have seen enough in this world to convince me. Hell, me and my friends used to go several nights a week to see The fairies. But i have No pictures so Why would you believe me?

>>679274730
I meant the CA patients involved in this study. They don't know what caused this phenomenon. It's very early into this research in terms of how long we've had these findings. Nothing is even close to definitive yet. Stop pretending like it is to fit your agenda.

>>679275055
You're right. I wouldn't believe you because that sounds delusional.

>>679274819
i just wanna die, help me pls

I'll rot in the ground well whatever is left once they cut me up and give the parts to people who need them

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>>679252931
I'll ride off of this, since its a good place to respond to. Actually evidence points against what you're saying for two reasons.

https://www.academia.edu/5488726/Realistic_monism_why_physicalism_entails_panpsychism_Appendix_2006

The first is the concept of strong emergence. Basically, what it comes down to is that saying consciousness is a novel property isn't compatible with science, since physically everything has to be composed of properties derived from its constituents, and there's no "thing" that is new that comes into existence. This is a big deal to explain, since consciousness as a property can't be described in terms of its building blocks easily.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_information_theory

This leads us to integrated information theory, the leading scientific theory on consciousness. Basically consciousness is most likely information processing. But information is always conserved. It only becomes active instead of more inert in things like brains that can make use of it. But its always present. So if you have any conserns of continuity, it can never end. Sure, rocks aren't living in any meaningful sense, but everything that composes you gets recycled eventually. You can't really cease to exist, even though individual identity is obviously irreparably damaged by death. But so is it for amnesia.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0918024307?keywords=schrodinger&qid=1450233393&ref_=sr_1_3&sr=8-3

Read this book by the physicist Schrodinger. It'll help answer your questions. A lot of people forget that the idea that you are a distinct thing from the bundle of your properties is just a secularization of the idea of the soul. There's nothing fundamentally new in the universe when you come into existence. And all your properties get recycled.

>>679252931
There's no evidence to suggest that the body is not a container for the soul.
You may have your science and your theories about space, time, life and death but science still cannot explain what propels the heart to beat it's first beat.
Science doesn't know what a soul is or if it exists and yet throughout the years hundreds and thousands have spoke of it.
Science is a looking glass, and like the spectrum of visible light, only able to currently see and know everything it can percievably see, assuming that there is nothing it cannot find because if science can't explain it, it must not exist.

Ponder that. Science has been wrong before, thought to be true until it "discovered" a "breakthrough". Assuming it's right until proven wrong, innocent until proven otherwise.

And as time progresses, it always gets proven otherwise.

>TLDR: science tells me what I should know and if science can't explain it, it simply doesn't exist. Anyone else who doesn't agree is ignorant, even though science has gone through constant correction

>>679275198
You better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the possibility of death. The transhumanism movement

My theory is that once we die we will be revived in the distant future. Aeons from now we will have time machines and the technology to revive people from the past and bring them to the future and in the future we will never die but we will keep creating things. Eventually those time machines will be used to send people back with the knowledge they know and they will have to re-do everything all over again. It's literally a cycle of life it would also explain why there is no beginning or end to the universe or when it was created.
TL:DR You die, wake up in future, time machine sends you back, do everything all over again.

>>679274866
Those are mistranslations from the Hebrew word "Sheol" which means 'the grave'. Google it.

>>679274300
To put it simply, we are the universe experiences itself.
We are no different from an ant, a lion, a house, a rock etc. in terms of existence. We are matter, we are atoms.

Thanks to the wild card that Earth is, we were lucky enough to be given life, which evolved into us.
Thanks to evolution we became thinking beings, we became conscious. But we still remain the universe.

>>679275189
And yet it was five people seeing the exact same thing several nights a week. And none of us have seen them anywhere else... Though i later found people who would travel to that same town every year to see the same thing.