>>679209800
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36039703
Link to article

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>>679209800
Russian mil aviation has been fucking with the US military for decades. It's nothing new.

>>679210215
I know, but why? Also your picture seems to show the opposite; US jet doing a flyby of a tanker.

>>679209800
are you too ignorant to know that these kind of threats are literally constants between empires, nations etc since the world is world
op you muste be like 17 y old or really ignorant

They do it to us in the UK every couple of months, flying into British airspace "by accident" to test the responsiveness of our air force.

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usa need to grow some balls. even turks fucked up russian aircraft after they pass their border

>>679209800
That#s neither new nor unusual.

And both sides win: Putin can be the tough guy for his russian fellows, and the military-industrial complex in the US gains approval for the next trillion-dollar war machine.system.

I am pretty sure that Putin and Obama et.al. have a secret deal on this, reinstating the cold war.

>>679210710
They fly towards it, not into it.

>>679209800
The alternative way of looking at this is that the US aircraft carrier was within the flight range of Russian fighters.

Who is buzzing who?

>>679209800
>be american

>us warship off coast of russia
>russian planes flying by aggressively
>pick one

>>679210474
Poke-poke tactic. They test the potential enemy by threatening and then they look how they react. Russia does it all the time and got slapped by turkey few months ago.

>>679210827
thats legitimate. shooting them down in international waters on the other hand is an act of war...

>>679211191
I stand corrected, thanks for pointing that out.

>>679211267
It's a Destroyer, not an aircraft carrier.

>>679209800
That's more of a taunt than a threat.

>>679210474
That's a Tupolev Tu-95 Bear, a nuclear bomber, not a tanker.

>>679209800
bohoo... just your everyday cat and mouse games. nothing will come from that

>>679212087
Whatever, it's not like the facts are important anyway

>>679209800
Russian military is weak. They lack funding for adequate training and parts for maintaining their weapons. They stage aggressive acts to show their regional rivals (and to a point, NATO as well) that they are no easy meat.

The Libyans do the same with their navy in the Gulf of Sirte, and Iran does the same thing in the Persian Gulf. Ghina aggressively patrols the Formosa strait as a threat check on Taiwan.

As an anon said earlier, it's a thing most nations do. Think of it like bullies in school threatening to shake down the little kids for their lunch money

>>679209800
>The Sukhoi SU-24 warplanes, in international waters in the Baltic Sea, had no visible weaponry and the ship took no action.

how is that agressive...

>>679212652
Probably flipped him the bird while inverted.

>>679209800
please explain how one flies aggressively

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>>679209800

Why would the US perform military drills within strike distance of China/Russians coast?

Op stop sucking dicks.

>>679212916

Fast, and close to our equipment, or unusually, as in for no reason flying directly above the ship, as if to take pics or something.

>>679209800
They are trying to draw them offsides, my wife does it to me all the time

>>679212916
usually flying anywhere near another aircraft is considered agressive

>>679209800
It's nothing.

Russia and many other countries do flights in military planes daily and just because they happen to cross paths with eachother doesn't make it aggressive nor worthy of peoples attention.

The only reason this shit is being reported weekly is because the west wants to make Russia look bad. They want to make Russia look bad so their actions in Syria can be badmouthed to gain the peoples favour for the western invasion of the middle-east instead of a Russian one.

>>679212564
>Russian military is weak ...blabla

Sure. Which is why they were able to kick IS's ass in a few weeks, what the US, UK and France combined did not manage to achieve in two years.

>>679212953
because thats how you project power?

>>679209800
Would you appreciate it if Russian warships were sailing right next to the US coast? This happened right next to the russian border. The US is the aggressive part in this case.

>>679213528
>implying a few airstrikes would break an insurgency
didnt work in irak, didnt work in afghanistan, didnt work in pakistan and jemen and sure as fuck wont work now just bc the russians did it

>>679209800
This shit smells like tabloid to me.
No sound, soldiers laughing. Probably just media doing their "OH! big bad Russians!" dance.
After all, it sells well in the US and UK.

>>679212953
>>679213534

Yep. Its josteling a competitor for a bit of fun. Nothing more.

>>679213676
OP would appreciate it if the Russian boat docked in the US and he got raped by the entire crew.

That's because OP is a faggot and everyone knows it.

>>679209800
You morons realize this is a non story.
Before the airplane was 1000 miles away, they knew it was coming. 500 miles away early warning awacs can see the plane, id it, and even tell what weapons it's holding.

An armed plane wouldn't have been allowed within 100 miles.

It was allowed to buzz the ship because it wasn't a threat.

>>679213528
Russia only bombed 8% of ISIS if even, the rest of the time they spent bombing rebels (who are fighting ISIS) so that the Assad regime can keep power. ISIS is literally insignificant compared to the regime, but the west and russia are too fucking cucked to challenge a real military or eachother so they focus all their attention on dropping million dollar bombs on neckbeared goat fuckers in Toyotas. "but IISIS IS DANGROLUS HOOR DOOR RUSSIA SO BRAVE" MSM cuck.

>>679210215
god damn jersey fuck tryin to overtake

>>679213528
Yeah you're right, ISIS is gone now. Good job mother Russia.

>>679214220
>An armed plane wouldn't have been allowed within 100 miles.

Says who? And by which jurisdiction? By 'the US is always right' law?

And what would they have done? Shoot the armed plane down, above international waters?

>>679213528
Don't take Allied effectiveness as an inability to do the job. It's lack of a cohesive political will to do what needs to be done, regardless of how it looks to the voters.

Putin flat out doesn't give a fuck, and does what he wants. Putting bombs on target isn't really a show of military prowess.

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>>679214697
top kek

>>679209800
bcs it can ! and US cant do shit about

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>>679209800
It's just Tom Cruise buzzing the tower top gun style

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>>679209800
Turks showed us all how its done. Them Russians are nothing but big talk. The U.S. army is much more advanced, we shouldn't get cucked by R*ssroaches. Any more provocation and should those fuckers down.

>>679214713
ISIS is still there, the US assassinated most of it's leadership in the last few months, Aleppo rebels cut ISIS supply routes and Russia barely even bombed ISIS. I bet you western cucks for Russia are the same faggots preaching Bernie Sanders and Jeremy Corbyn, literally kill yourselves.

the plane is giving the dd a free show if u look at the plane its only carring fule tanks

>>679214457
yep. gotta love the reaper hunting tho. these faggots essentially make free ads for the terrorists by blowing up random shitskins with 70k usd missiles.

>>679215264
Shoot*. Putin is putting Obama in a cuckold. Who the fuck do they think they are.

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>>679209800
i used to fuck a russian
she'd come over every once in awhile while her kid was staying at college.
she'd get naked as soon as she came in, put on her favorite song and start fucking me while crying. she said the song reminded her of raising her child, and motherhood. she told me it reminded her of how much she missed her child. it made her and me cum buckets.

this was the song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVI4Knz24CQ

>>679210710

Not true. They go to BIG lengths not to fly into UK airspace. Recently a Bear was escorted almost all the way around the Island's airapace.

>>679214832
So far you are right.
But 'cohesive political will' is a necessity for military force. Without it, all the machinery is worthless.
So basically, the russian military may be weak. But in the end, the US military force is weaker.

>>679214714
if it's posing a thread and not reacting to repeated warnings? sure as fuck... those guided missile destroyers arent exactly like your ww2 destroyer. they rely on technology and range rather than heavy armor... a well placed bomb or rocket very well might sink them

>>679214832
Absolutely agree, anon.

>>679215363
imo the US drone program is a failure, it's made the US look weak b/c the "support the troops" propaganda has made it politically negative for US troops to die in any conflict. Which is why the US has to rely on side programs like JSOC to fight ISIS on the ground when a full troop ground invasion would have cleared them up in weeks. The whole idea that an invasion is wrong simply keeps the US cucked to morals we all know it doesn't possess, so why even pretend. If it's a war for resources the US should openly declare that's the objective and tell all to fuck off. I don't support any invasions or war but it's just silly to pretend to be rightous and get cucked like that.

>>679215264
Your an idiot. All Western armies are weak as shit because they have no political will behind them. Doesn't matter how many expensive toys you have if you never use them on anything other than sandniggers who still think that AK's are Gods gift to jihadists

because the media and the US are still trying to make russia the big bad bogeyman, and people 50 years later are still falling for it

>>679215878

S.O.P. motherfucking pog.

Don't fire unless fired upon.

>>679215264
oh shit up with your fucking cucked cucked cucked bullshit

you may as well be on reddit here nowadays its the same bullshit sayings

>>679209800
This shit, my friend, is called a cold war number 2

>>679215344
using literally like some californian, tiny hat wearing prick

>>679209800
>excuse for an attack
like they fucking could attack anything except 3rd world eastern bloc countries.

>>679216562
I mean, they could try and do a USA and keep not finishing all their wars

>>679216106
That's pretty much what Russia did, except announce that they wanted the oil and coal in the Ukraine. Putin gave no fucks for how it looked, inside his country or out. He will do so again if he can find a victim that his meager military can rape.

The U.S. and other western Democracies will never do this unless it's to stop a nation death (I.e. their country due to lack of resources. Too much political assfoolery always gets in the way

>>679214832
Even Putin is bound to this lack of will. If Syria was governed by ISIS and there was no other party involved any stronger nation could wipe them out alone. ISIS has high morale, but they lack training and equipment.
The problem is that there are several sides to this conflict and while everyone hates ISIS (apart from the Saudis), opinions are torn on the issue of rebels and the govrenment. And exterminating ISIS while keeping the balance of power of the rest of the conflict is not an easy task.

>>679212652
How is doing close flybys of a warship and not responding to any radio communication not aggressive? If it wasn't clearly Russian military they probably would have shot those planes down.

>>679215402
What the fuck is this? i see it everywhere.

>>679216410
Pretty sure the word cucked is native to /b/. I don't browse reddit.

>>679216271
In a war against Russia do you really think the the ground troops would make a difference? In a war between the two countries Russia stands no chance. It's not like they are experienced in intercontinental war. If nukes aren't involved, then honestly USA won't be losing much. We pour so much into our d efense industry anyway. I fucking hate r*ssianroaches, thinking they can at any level compete with us. Russia is fucked, economically, politically and now its army is getting weaker day by day.

>>679216946
it's called copypasta newfag

>>679216106
Its a game anon, openly declaring your intentions makes you vulnerable.

>>679217165
USA would fucking lose to russia in a ground war

when did the US last win a war without help from other countries?

more russian civilians would fight back than US ones for sure

>>679209800
I used to live in Lithuania and worked with the US military. Russian Jets constantly aggravate NATO air-forces in Lithuania by ignoring Lithuanias sovierign airspace. Russia has been purposely aggravating western forces for years now. For example check out this article http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30028371.

>>679216106
i guess america slowly is turning into europe. politicians here will spend like 100 times the amount of time on avoiding calling something a war and promising that it will be quick than actually getting shit done.
the only way you win against insurgents is to have the manpower to be everywhere. the general population usually doesnt like them anymore than you but they are afraid until you show them that you will stay till the last insurgent is burried.
took millions to break the nazis. how are you supposed to control a country with a less than 100k

>>679210983
Pl0x use correct english.

>>679217611
>http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30028371
and how are the US not aggravating countries by sending their military everywhere?

whats the difference? when they do it its ok when it's russia or china its bad

>>679217478
Why would you think the US wouldn't have help in that instance too? Youre talking about WW3 anon

>>679217228
Forgive my newfaggory anon, I just saw the video.

>>679217478
Who is talking about groundwar? USA has bases literally everywhere in Europe. Having Turkey as an ally, it is going to cut Russia's access to the black sea. So West/South coastal Russia is fucked. Then from the bordering countries such as Ukraine, American jets will take off and bomb the shit out of Russia. With F-35's slowly becoming in use, there is literally no other warplane that can compete. Before the Russian warplane has even detected the F-35, it will be blown into pieces.

We don't need ground troops to win this war. Heck, we would lose if this war was fought on the ground. But it wouldn't be.

>>679211406
Last time I checked Russia is the country that invaded and committed genocide against the native Baltic states, while the US is protecting Baltic interest of keeping the Baltic states free and independent from Russian interference.

>>679217884
but there is no need to fight russia

they're not doing anything. i'd rather see saudi shitstains wiped out than some ruskies

What the fuck were the Americans doing in that area if not provoking 5he Russians? It's funny as fuck that. The Muricans billion dollar ship got all its high tech system wiped out by a 35yr old jet with EM capabilities

>>679217165
>>679217478
Depends on where the ground war took place and who started it. If russia went all Red Dawn on U.S. soil, but didn't use above theater sized nukes, the the U.S. would beat the fuck out of the invading force. The time spent training, the money in quantity (not quality) of non-infantry weapons would overpower an invading force so far from their logistics based.

Turn that around and have the U.S. invade russia, and it would be just like Vizzini said. Russian military targets are too decentralized for quick denial, and Western armies wouldn't be allowed to fuck with the civilian populations because the POLITICAL WILL DOES NOT EXIST!

Proxy wars? Well just look at the war histories of both countries to see how that plays out

>>679216389
at dome point you will have to decide whether you can take that first blow tho. remember the cole? the cook belongs to the same class... now imagine how that would have ended if it was an actual warehead and not just some ragheads in a motorboat

>>679209800
>US ship cruising somewhere in the baltic sea, international waters
>thats next to russia you ineducated faggots
>planes going there too because why not
>pentagon gets mad

imagine russian military ships would cruise in front of florida in international waters, tell me who the fuck is "provocating"

>>679218128
this is what makes this retarded US logic

send people all over the world then moan there are other countries there too

US can't even beat cave dwellers, how do they think they'll beat russians who are used to living a harsh life, unlike the pudgey yanks of today

>>679217835
The difference is the US has permission from the local country to have forces stationed in their borders. Russia purposely ignores this. The Lithuanians and their government co-operate and want US forces in the Baltic. No one complains about Russians having forces in Belarus because Belarus allows them to.

>>679218425
they were in international waters

>>679216843
you read the part about not having any weapons? i mean those werent japs that would kamikaze into you... writing an angry email to obama would have been just as "aggresive"

>>679218191
We're hypothetically speaking anyway. Of course in this day and age civilian bombings of major countries is unthinkable of. But assuming this was a total war, where everything goes but nukes, USA would demolish Russia.

>>679218514
don't forget modern america is like the weird old grandpa that talks about the glory days when he was in the army and it was great, forgetting he's overweight and not as good as he remembers

A similar event happened a year or two ago, although somebody already probably brought it up. Havent looked at the thread so didnt check, but what happened was a russian plane fully disabled a US warship for a couple hours and did several practice fly by bombing scenarios. The military tried to cover this up because a bunch of the sailors on that ship wanted to resign because they were literally left fullyshut down from 1 plane you guys should look it up.

>>679209800
This isnt news.
Russia has been doing this forever.
They even approach uk airspace to monitor scramble times.

They do it because they do. Thats all the speculation there is to make about it until shit goes down.

>>679218640
well if it's nukes then everyone is fucked anyway

mid africa may be ok

>>679218228

Part of the job description when you take the oath is that you will put yourself in harm's way.

Sometimes, you have to be willing to take one on the chin so that things don't spiral out of control, ESPECIALLY with an opponent posessing significant military capability.

>>679212752
https://youtu.be/ump0N5yOpkM


INVERTED

Brecking news: America aggressively building military bases around russia

>>679218511
The same logic still applies though, Russia broke agreements (http://www.state.gov/t/isn/4791.htm) it had with the US and is purposely aggravating while trying to stretch their influence over people who obviously don't want. While it was in international waters you can't deny that whoever controls the Baltic Sea has strategic advantages in the area.

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>>679218726

Mid Africa may be improved by a couple nukes

>>679218049
Russia sees us as weak, but still on top of the world power throne so they are excited to be able to out-cock us.

>>679218997
a bit like detroit

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>>679218846
>Breaking News: Russia surrounded by NATO countries / armies since April 4, 1949

Fixed that for you anon

>>679218846
america still trying to find a new bogeyman

isis didnt work so we'll go back to russia

if not we'll try china again

>>679217478
>implying a war between the us and russia would be decided on the ground
both have nukes for days. mobile launchers, icbms and slbms. as soon as one of the two is on the brink of losing it will an hero and launch them killing everything on this fucking planet in the process.
the days where two major powers could fight each other directly ended on aug 6 1945

>>679210827

It has been proven that the russian jet shot down was inside Syrian airspace, The whole time...

Turkey either fucked up and overestimated its borders, or did a great job committing an act of war.

And the important thing to remember is that the missile used isn't exactly smart. It could have easily miss-tracked towards any other coalition plane in the near area.

We do not need pissy assholes launching SAM's into a war zone with hundreds of air vehicles moving around, its just bad for business.

>>679219183
Wars are started for resources. There is no other reason for a nation state to go to war than to annex new land and it's resources. War has be called highway robbery writ on a grand scale for hundreds of years. So accordingly, if you want to take the land / resources, you can't poison it for 10,000 years with mega doses of radioactivity.

Hell even the ragheads trying to invade Israel wan't the land back as much, if not more than, they want to wipe out every last Zionist.

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>>679212459

/b/ in a nutshell

>>679218640
The U.S. could never make itself do what is required to win a ground war in Russia. The Russians would just pull back and scorch the earth, leaving nothing left to offer succor. Just like they have done in *every* invasion of the Rodina since time fucking began.

Christ! Do none of you faggots know anything about military history?

>>679209800
It's posturing it's nothing new nor does it need to be logical.

In the end it's just dick waving.

>>679218996
this treaty is still from soviet times has it since been renewed by both sides? and you didnt really provide source of it being broken while active just the contents of the treaty. lets not forget that the usa has also broken various treaties with russia even very recently one about the nuclear dissarment.

>>679220178
So true
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qqARrbi1h8

>>679213534
another way is for your aircraft to do high speed maneuvers that appear aggressive to a warship within striking distance of your country.

>>679210710
False, fag

>>679209800
ex-Navyfag here. This happens all the time. Most of the time we did nothing, other times they would take the magazine out of the ciws and use the fly-bys to make sure that it worked. This story is ridiculous.

>>679212564
Yeah, only NATO recently stated that it cannot stand against Russian military.

>>679221066
Irrelevant. The point was those bases have been there since the 50's. It's nothing new.

Also, think about that. A treaty power like NATO publically announcing that they cannot handle the (majorly down-sized since the end of the cold war) threat they were created to stop in the first place. Sound like misinformation to me. If they were that weak, why announce to world? Sounds like reverse psychological propaganda to me

>>679212916
How about you just fucking think about it for a moment jesus christ.

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>>679210474
Nah, it's a long range bomber. They have been fucking with pretty much every country in NATO, like Canada, in this image.

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>>679218640
Russian fucked up million sand niggers in Afghanistan, only having lost 15 000 people, a million fucking children, women, the elderly, the Wahhabis with machine guns, and even all of Allah! Another 3 Millon fled in terror from the country(Afghanistan) to neighboring sand nigger countries. These are not civilized Europeans to you, it is Russian, the people, who for centuries destroyed all, all of the most powerful empires were destroyed Russian barbarians. Napolenon, Russian destroyed his entire army which seized the whole of Europe, Hitler seized the whole of Europe, was destroyed scoops. Russians are so severe that robbed mankind for 1/6 of the land they live in hellish conditions, they just don't give a fuck. They are gods of war from a cold hell, they are not afraid of cold, hunger, heat, rain, they kill in any weather, hungry and cold. The fact that they have each winter for normal people is considered hazardous conditions, work in which the recommended rotational basis, with huge hazard pay, and they laugh and play in the snow. This Russian, bleat! Russians are more badass than Spartans to capture 1/6 of the entire Earth at all, conquering space and the depths of the sea, space radiation impaling their radars and turning into a plasma heaps of their nuclear bombs, do not mess with the Russian, run away from them, run away as soon as you can. This is their essence, the gods of war, the rulers of the chaos, it is in their blood, that their instincts that lie dormant, but are always in them, do not trust them, they are seemingly good and harmless, but they give only reason they destroy the whole world and laugh at his remains, so they do not even notice it in their eternal winters. They were going to fight against the whole world at once, just a few decades ago, but it did not happen, fortunately, they decided to give humankind another live run away, run away as soon as you can

>>679221066
>>679221066

That's not what they said. What they said was that a ground invasion would put Europe at a severe disadvantage in terms of a total war scenario but ONLY looking at the ground operations.

Simply put, little has changed in the last half century. During the Cold War the Russians were in the same position. Poland and the Baltics are little more than a roadway into Europe. Russia has, and always has had, a shit load of both tanks and infantry compared to Europe. In a military stand off Russia has the advantage in that limited area.

What that report doesn't get into is the nuclear deterrent. If Russia attacked with ANY military forces the likelihood of tactical nuclear weapons against their military forces is the go-to plan and has been since the Cold War. That would decimate their massive military movements and likely cause a nuclear retaliation - thus leading to massive nuclear strikes against all countries involved (and not involved) in the fighting.

That's why the fact that Russia can technically beat NATO on the ground in Europe is a meaningless point. They have ALWAYS been able to do that because of the battlefield and resources.

>>679213528
>implying the us military isn't planning to draw out conflicts against Isis for the next 20 years to gain dat max $$$

The us mil is above winning wars and conflicts.
It's a buisness.

>>679222253
>>679222253

The Russian winter killed those armies, not the barbarians and idiots who live in the region.

Russia was the LAST major country to industrialize and they still feel the effects of it to this day. They don't manufacture anything. They don't produce anything. Their country is being strangled to death because the price of oil has dropped, and given a few more years I fully expect to see Soviet era bread lines forming when people start to starve.

Seriously, Russia sucks. Russian history is filled with agricultural civilizations being conquered again and again. The Mongols didn't even like the Russians and they were closer in relation to them than anything.

You're living in a fantasy where history doesn't match your ideas of it.

>>679222255
When it was the USSR, NATO thought they could lose a European ground war because there were going to be so many soviet tanks. BMPs, and infantry that NATO could expend all their convention munitions without getting them all.

THAT threat is gone, just like the USSR is gone. There will be no mechanized blitzkrieg through the Fulda Gap, and western Europe won't be threaten by ground troops from Russia.

>>679219654
That's never been proven, idiot. There is radar evidence the warplane has crossed the Turkish border.

>>679222952
>They don't manufacture anything
They manufacture military tech and weapons. Why does manufacturing iphones etc matter if you have 1/6 of land with richest oil/gas/wood/coal/uranium/diamonds/precious metals resources?

>>679223527
Because natural resources are finite, and unpredictable.

>>679223695
You counterargumenting yourself with this statement, they have more resources than ANYONE and still you're telling me you're gonna defend your resources with your iphone and twitter hastags and tumbler posts.

>>679209800
>>679209800
It's important to realize the media spin to these stories. Russian warplanes frequently fly over US battleships and "challenge" them. It has been happening since... well, always.

The routine is Russian warplanes fly over US ships (particularly if they're in waters that are Russian), the US scramble their own jets to fly next to them. And nothing happens.

It's sort of like the US and South Korea demonstrating in North Korean waters showing off their military might. Then when North Korea tests a missile nearby, we pretend it was unprovoked on the news.

Here's the hidden element to all of these stories. The rest of the world generally does NOT show aggression against the US military UNLESS the US was flexing their muscles in their territory in the first place.

It's not an offensive move, it's showing that if the US make a move that the other nation WILL defend themselves.

OF course the US likes to spin it that all these little nations that have a fraction of US's miltiary might, are being aggressive. Really, all they're doing is showing they'll defend themselves and the US is frequently antagonizing nearly all nations on earth, and CERTAINLY all nations that we're on sketchy terms with.

The US is the fat kid in 3rd grade that frequently bullies everyone else and takes lunch money, but the second someone hits back they run crying to the teacher and pretending it was unprovoked.

>>679220302
Shit good point, I have to agree with you about US activity being questionable I dont think the treaty has been renewed either, but it was between soviet Russia not the USSR so it would still hold up in a international court.

>>679223161
>>679223161

Russia still has a metric shit ton of mechanized infantry. It's old but it's there and it still works as well as it used to.

Meanwhile NATO bases on the entire continent have downsized and been stripped of most of their Cold War stand off weaponry. If Russia wanted to it could march straight into the heart of Western Europe with conventional military forces and Europe would pose little more than a speed bump without the US military forces engaging them. Even then Russia would be able to push them back.

Sorry, but the numbers just don't lie. The Soviet forces were far more numerous with all the Warsaw countries, and Russia lacks the ability to manufacture most wartime machines by itself, but that doesn't mean their current forces aren't large enough and good enough to pose a real threat to NATO and Europe.

That said, my point was that this whole argument is moot. This shit doesn't occur in a vacuum. If Russia so much as shot at a NATO country it would be WW3 and all options would be on the table. Up to and including nuclear weapons, which is an all too real possibility.

So while it's fodder for the war games people who jerk off to this stuff, it's a pointless argument in and of itself. Europe would provide enough of a speed bump to allow a full scale response by all combined NATO forces and Russia would be leveled. The response they give would likely be a full nuclear strike, though, so we'd all be fucked. In the end it all turns out the same way. We're all craters.

>>679223695
>Because natural resources are finite, and unpredictable.
It's the markets for those resources that are unpredictable.
Ask anyone in the iron ore or coal business.
Check Peabody Coal's share price today.

>>679217478
Holy shit your comprehension is shit.
Good luck out there in life you dumb slow shit.

>>679222952
Here's the thing about the bread lines... they're now digital via ebt programs. You won't see people line up and make great photo opportunities displaying the crashing economy.

With unemployment and food stamp programs becoming huge even in the US, the reason you don't see breadlines is they create bad PR. But digital ebt cards are basically the same thing.

>>679222175
not turkey though
thats why NATO should have been more reluctant to back Turkey up

>>679224444
quads speaks the truth

>>679223527
>>679223527

Military tech is only worth what someone is willing to spend in order to buy it. The same goes for military weapons, and Russia only really produces a large amount of small arms. Guess who also does that at a better price and with more to offer? China.

Have you ever wondered why Russia and China don't like each other despite being neighbors and both having Communist ties from the last generation? It's because China is constantly undercutting Russia.

Also, as far as economic power goes, the military tech and military arms manufacturing (which isn't as great as you'd like to think it is, considering a lot of Soviet manufacturing occurred outside of Russia in the Warsaw countries) it doesn't amount to a fucking thing as far as the over all Russian economy is concerned.

I don't care if they produce anything, but they are. Their economy is based on oil, and that is crumbling right now. They have no other economic furnace to light, and because of that they're going to be fucked. They have nothing to replace the oil revenue and without it they can't afford to do much domestically, let alone anything expensive like military expenditures.

>>679224328
>>679224328

Unless you're suggesting the bread is delivered to your fucking house, I don't think you understand the idea of a line. It doesn't matter what the payment method is, you still have to line up to get the stuff.

>>679209800
I hope 9/11 happens again, you fucking piece of shit of a country.
also what´s the newest school shooting?

>>679218257
lol if the tables were turned in this scenario, could you imagine the fucking reaction the US media would fucking feed us about that shit?
the united states in all forms would flip it's fucking shit!!!!!!!!!!!

>>679224691
They still manage tho and I am sure this pasta >>679222253 still applies to them nowadays.

>>679224941
Nah, you don't understand the idea of a food subsidy for the poor. Rather than offer the subsidy to a group that provides bread, the government pays grocery stores the amount of the ebt charge. Then rather than people lining up for free shit (which creates horrible photo opportunities), it just looks like they're shopping like everyone else.

Modern technology, even in poor nations, has rendered breadlines obsolete.

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>tfw /b/ has a more civilized discussion of world news/politics than any other board

>>679218257
>>679218257

Russia has a TINY amount of shore front of the Baltic Sea. Calling it near Russian territory is a fucking stretch. That entire sea is surrounded by NATO countries and US allies. It's NOT Russian territory.

>>679224174
Equipment only takes you so far. You need *people* trained, people, to drive / crew those armored divisions. Estimates of russian ground forces are nowhere near the 3-5 million mark they were in the early 80's:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Ground_Forces
You also have to take in troop training, morale, pay, food logistics, etcetera. The Russian army is a less than a paper tiger compared to what NATO once faced.

That being said, the decline of *all* Western militaries (excepting us idiot americans who still spend more than 3 trillion a yr on shiny death toys) has been happening ever since the USSR collapsed. Still though, most tacticians feel that NATO could handle Russian invasion of Western Europe with the aide of theater nukes. Which likely *wouldn't* trigger universal armageddon because you cannot rule a radioactive, nuclear winter destroyed world... at least not for long

>>679225276
>>679225276

Breadlines were a reaction to a massive starvation, not some social EBT program. You're comparing two completely different things.

>>679222253
You're talking about them like they're dwarves you melodramatic shit.
Go suck some russian cocks. It seems that would be of the greatest honor for you.

>>679225388
>>679225388

You think Russia wouldn't retaliate if we dropped tactical nukes on their forces? LOL, are you insane? We would literally be nuking them and you think they wouldn't respond in kind?

>>679224234
Yeah that's what I meant, not the actual substance itself but the value of the resource on the market.

>>679225592
This is pasta, you dip.

>>679225388
>That being said, the decline of *all* Western militaries (excepting us idiot americans who still spend more than 3 trillion a yr on shiny death toys) has been happening ever since the USSR collapsed


we tried man. we kept shit hot in iraq for 20 fucking years to test out our RDFs. We tried to reform into a smaller more agile military. We thought terrorism would at least keep people afraid long enough for the money to flow ( we were right - but towards cyber security and shit, which is great for controlling the people, but.. ) ... at the end of the day we still need some big money projects. Bombing/rebuilding iraq is done and over. Halliburton is based in fucking dubai now lol. We need some good old fashioned "build more missles, build more CGs" kind of tension. And Putin is giving that to us. I fucking love that guy.

>>679225546
You aren't understanding that ebt cards are an evolution of the breadlines. Nations with modern technology don't do breadlines anymore, they simply subsidize the poors ability to purchase food at regular stores.

And EBT prevents starvation, it's one of those things that the government now realizes that it's better to prevent than to deal with the aftermath of starving people (which breeds revolution).

I really don't understand how you don't understand, but I'm not gonna re-state it any further. You can lead a person to knowledge, but you can't make them think.

>>679225757
In kind would mean theater weapons, or do you not understand the difference in theater vs Strategic?

Of *course* they would respond! but it wouldn't, lead to ICBMs flying into cities and the end result of M.A.D. which has been my point all along.

>>679225247
nice reasoning skills

>>679209800
Very interesting that Russia is threatening the USA in the BALTIC SEA. Who is threatening whom here? If it were in the Gulf of Mexico, you might have a case to make.

>>679225953
>>679225953

You're a fucking moron. Breadlines existed because there was MASSIVE starvation. Depression level shit. When you're in a depression and the majority of the people in your country are starving - and you can't offer anything but basic food like bread - you can't just give someone a card.

You're literally not even understanding the amount of difference there is between a program for the poor and a program to prevent the bulk of your population from starving to death.

You're discussing a population of maybe 10 to 20 percent. I'm talking about 80%.

Also, you're autistic as fuck.

>>679225847
Every recession / depression we've had has been cured by 'war mobilization.' So, yes, indeed.

>>679225953
>it's better to prevent than to deal with the aftermath

most people struggle with this shit. It is better to deal with poverty, you can't jail every one. It is better to give prisoners PS3 than deal with prison violence. It is better to reform prisoners than warehouse them. You don't get elected ( or rich ) saying those things.

>>679209800
>US warship conducting drills near Russian territory
>Russia has always been know to 'flex their muscles'
>Act surprised when they investigate
You're being b8'd by media OP

>>679226433
I'm not sure 9-11 helped our economy

>>679226619
Kek

>>679212564

yeah but the US isn't exactly the little kid in school so your point in invalid

>>679210215
NATO (aka USA has been fucking with Russia since the reunification of Germany and the expansion to the Russian borders after promising Gorbachev that there would be no expansion, then putting anti IBM stations in poland

how long can you expect to fuck with Russia before shit happens?

>>679226619
Sure didn't, but then again, for that to fit, you would have to believe that attacked was engineered by the U.S. government.

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>>679209800
why is the us ship so close to an other nations waters? fuck off back to your country you whiny bitching fags

>>679218029
Very funny.

Last time I checked, the USA was sponsoring a coup d'etat in Ukraine and supporting swastika waving fascists in government that they recruited through their "Democracy Promotion" NGOs.

>>679225806
never seen it fml

>>679226095
>>679226095

It's morons like you that make nuclear war more likely. I'm SOOOOO glad you aren't in any position of authority or power.

Want to know what would happen? Dominoes. We nuke their forces, they nuke ours. We nuke their bases, they nuke ours. We see missiles fired at the bases they can't reach with conventional arms. We assume the worst and fire our missiles, too. They see ours, and launch the rest.

You're arguing about the last domino without seeing the entire line stacked up. It doesn't go from A right to Z. It escalates and escalates, and does so VERY quickly and with a high amount of error and nerves causing even more fuck ups.

Or did you think the Cuban Missile Crisis was just about a few missiles on Cuba and not a massive invasion of Europe that would lead to an all out nuclear war? In that scenario you'd be arguing that bombing the missiles in Cuba wouldn't lead to a full nuclear strike. Which is true if you're that narrowly focused, but it would lead to an escalation that would continue in short fashion to nuclear annihilation on both sides.

I swear to god, this generation can't see past its own fucking hand sometimes.

If you think Russia and the US will go to war you are really dumb.

>>679226727
Nope, in this analogy, the U.S. is the kid who could knock the shit out of the bully but won't throw any punches because he fears the teacher is watching

>>679226433
>>679226433

And most of the time after that military operation ended it resulted in a depression. The only exception was the US after WW2 because of all the rebuilding and massive military spending we kept pumping in order to counter the Soviets.

>>679227089
/thread people

>>679210474

First, that's a strategic bomber, not a tanker. Second, that's an interception of one that probably came too close or into the US's airspace.

>>679224444
Germany, Portugal, the UK, Canada, USA, the Netherlands, Finland, France, Denmark, Sweden, Italy, Sweden, Spain, Czech Republic, Belgium, fuck it it's a country you even remotely care about, it's probably been fucked with by Russian bombers.

Remember when Putin came to Australia for the G20 Summit or whatever the fuck it was? He had Russian warships follow him in, just to show off, or 'flex his muscles'. Our local media blew the fuck up. "Russian warships bearing down on Australian soil!"
It sent half the country into panic.
Don't listen to media OP, shit is ALWAYS bias or made-up bullshit to spark controversy.

>>679226731
>>679226731

So supporting former Warsaw countries that allow them to not be dependent on Russia is now a bad thing? Sorry, but those aren't Soviet territories anymore. They can do whatever the fuck they want.

Russia is NOT the Soviet Union. Russia is small in comparison - both in terms of production, technology, and population. So fuck Russia. The best parts of the Soviet Union aren't a part of Russia anymore anyway.

>>679226939
Nope. Friend just got back from deployment in the Ukraine and its a well known fact there Russia is supporting and fights in the Ukraine. They know when theyre getting hit by Russian arty/missiles. So who is supporting the coup?

>>679226881
>>679226881

Look at a map of the Baltic Sea you fucking idiot.

>>679227056
Nice that you mentioned the Missile Crisis for me. The reason that WW3 didn't happen in '62? Human feeling. Khrushchev's famous 'blink' was explained as him being unwilling to to launch first.

There are not many people around that would actually give the order to murder 100's of millions of civilians in a first strike.

Again, it is unlikely either side would start tossing ICBMs at cities over small tactical weapons used in an active warzone.

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>>679224949

what, you hope the US does a 9/11 to itself again so it can 'legitimately' secure their interests in non conforming counties?

>>679227330

i wasn't afraid ..our valiant coastal patrol dingy stopped them from coming any further

>>679227705
>>679227705

Jesus Christ, did you even read what I said? It doesn't go from tanks to ICBMs in cities. It is a domino effect from tanks to losses to tactical nukes, to more tactical nukes, then nuking bases, then nuking cities.

Or do you really think the NATO countries can tell if a continental missiles are headed to bases instead of cities?

Jesus Christ, you're dense. The fog of war is a real thing and if someone thinks they're getting nuked they'll sure as shit nuke the person in response.

>>679227504
>best parts
And those are...

>>679227627
yes you fucking cunt, looking and can't see the fucking united states of america anywhere close enough to justify one of their ships being in it. dick head

According to this article the pair of Su-24s did about 20 extrememly close passes low enough that they were flying under the ship's bridge.

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/russian-attack-jets-aggressively-fly-over-u-s-destroye-1770792698

>>679228658
see>>679224009

When US ships are in Russian waters (which they do frequently), this happens.

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>>679226731
This opinion is so fucking stupid, russia doesnt have the right to fuck with there neighbors ffs. I know its edgy to be anti-USA but grow up the US is trying to defend other nations that want to be independ why is that so terrible.

>>679229544
>Russia doesn't have the right to fuck with its neighbors.

The USA can overthrow the government in Ukraine though?

The Russia being "aggressive" against a US force on their own order is absurd. It would be obvious to a 6 year old who the aggressor is.

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I'm Australian, and everyone can hate on the US all the like but the US as the leading world power is effectively the worlds policemen, and without that the world would be a horrible place. I've been in parts of the world that have no police (or justice) and let me tell you, you see what humans are really like then, when they think that they will get away with doing what they like - they will hurt, rape and kill anything.

And not just bad countries, I've worked at remote sites in good countries and if there isn't law and security established at these sites the men quickly become cunts.

If the US was ever do go down, and with it the US controlled corrupt monetary system, the whole world would fall into a dark age. Better the devil you know then the devil you don't.

>>679228876
>>679228876

>"Russian Waters"

LOL, what? What Russian Waters were they in?

>>679228263
Whatever dude. You aren't listening to what I am saying. I discount your dominos theory saying that it wouldn't escalate into total nuclear war.

Anyways, my point has been made over and over. Good day to you, sir!

>>679229941
>>679229941

Love you too, mate.

How could any country stop the bullshit in the Middle East outside of glassing the whole region? They have been in a perpetual state of war for thousands of years.

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>>679229941
>If the US was ever do go down, and with it the US controlled corrupt monetary system, the whole world would fall into a dark age. Better the devil you know then the devil you don't

>Russia doesn't exist
What?
You know they would step up in that event.
In fact I'm relying on that.

>>679230474
>>679230474

People who say this don't know what the hell they're talking about or simply haven't read a history book.

>>679228876

But the USS Donald Cook had just left a Polish port to train with Polish helicopters.

This is the port they were docked at: https://www.google.com/maps/search/Polish+port+of+Gdynia

There's only two places they'd reasonably be to train. Polish waters and international waters. Why would they go into Kaliningrad's waters to train?

>>679210474
Training. Canada does this with the US sometimes. They will send a few key to the border in attack position just to see the US reaction time. They'll fly near, a US jet will be scrambled, they wave at each other like "still here..." then leave.

>>679230262
Russia's weird enclave, Kaliningrad

>>679230522
>>679230522

Russia doesn't have the ability to step up to anything. Their economy is tiny and they're a regional power. Their navy is also pretty shit.

How is Russia going to pay for a military that comes anything close to the United States? Let me help you here, it can't. The only reason the Soviet Union was able to compete on the same scale as the US was because it incorporated half of Europe. Russia in and of itself is weak as fuck. How is it people can't understand that Russia isn't the USSR?

If anything China could TRY to pick up the slack, but even then they'd have a hell of a time trying to keep up. They don't even have a decent blue water navy yet.

US ship was probably where it shouldn't have been.

>>679229941
The USA, according to decades of world opinion, is far and away the country most chosen as the "greatest threat to world peace today." The closest is Pakistan, inflated by the Indian vote, at 1/4 of the US count.

If you can make a claim like this when the entire world disagrees, you come off as a bit delusional

>>679230262
uhm... Baltic sea?

>>679230522

step up and do what? ..its takes more then a large military to run the world, they have not got the economic power to do the job and so much of their money is tied up in the US controlled system that is they US went down they would suddenly find themselves unable to fund their military.

you really have no idea what you are talking about.

>>679231186
Right off the coast of Russia, of course

>>679231186
this
/thread

>>679231205
>>679231205

Most people in general are retarded, so most of the world is probably more retarded than most.

I also love that a lot of these nations are the ones that exist because of the free flow of trade protected pretty much on its own by the United States Navy.

Not to mention the opinion of the rest of the world means exactly fuck all to the United States, which is why we're so good at what we do. If we catered to the majority of the world, some of whom are enemies, we'd still be an agrarian economy.

Sop fuck em.

>>679231390
>>679231390

Have you ever seen a picture of the Baltic Sea? It's not Russian territory you stupid fuck. It's surrounded by US allies and has a tiny sliver of Russian border.

>>679231205
The country that has the nuts to take the job is always the greatest threat to world peace.

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>>679231669
>everybody is retarded except me
>literally displaying mental retardation in all of his posts above

>>679216106
I mean yea America could fucking wipe the floor with the entire Middle East, but instead pussyfoot around. Everybody already hates America and what fucking allies do these third world shit street shitholes have

>>679219654
>mad russian detected
go eat some borsch you communist pony loving autist

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>>679231186

They were training with Polish helicopters after being docked at a Polish port. Poland is a NATO ally, why would NATO allies not train together?

inb4 you say they could have chosen anywhere else to conduct the training, it's close to the port incase of need of repairs/maintenance, it's close to Poland incase the helicopter has a problem, and it tells Russia they will not be getting their satelite states back any time soon.

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>>679231084
>$
You know currency is a social construct, right?
>Russia isn't the USSR
Splitting hairs.
>The only reason the Soviet Union was able to compete on the same scale as the US was because it incorporated half of Europe
We are talking about when America falls.
So comparing it to America pre fall is just retarded.
>If anything China could TRY to pick up the slack
>Russia in and of itself is weak as fuck.
That's implying Australia and most of Europe wouldn't side with Russia to prevent this.
>why not Russia siding with X
Russia is in a tactical position, Thus handing them the reigns would be optimal in a partnership.

>>679231205

Everyone hates the guy on top ..you say the Pakistan vote is inflated by the Indians yet make no consideration for the same thing happening to the US, from countries that are jealous of her position.

The us plays a dagerous game for sure, one day they may make the wrong gamble and it all will come crashing down but if you think that will be a good thing then its you that's delusional. Once the 'law' is gone, they world, until a new power (world police) rises, will revert to the savages we are.

>>679215264
SHOO SHOO r*ssiaroach

USA
CANADA
UK
AUSTRALIA
NEW ZEALAND

If your first language isn't english then you're not in the club.

>>679231669
Delusional. You can ignore the world for a while but you get blowback when everyone hates you. Look historically at how Cortes was able to take down the Aztec empire just because their neighbors hated them

Countries exist because america protects the free flow of trade? From who, China? China is going to blow off its own trading lanes on its own borders for what reason? Was it protecting freedom when they embargoed Japan and provoked pearl harbor?

>>679231862
yea, that's why we bomb powerful countries like Nicaragua, Cambodia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen, etc. Takes real balls

>>679232419
Their "hating the big guy" isn't relevant. The fact is that they are angry, can justify their anger and if the moment ever comes that they can do something about it, they will and you'll have no leg to stand on.

I don't think it's a "good thing" that the USA would bring on a nuclear winter, no sane person would want that, which is exactly why I am opposed to them trying their absolute hardest to get WW3 going. The USA is not "stabilizing" anything - look at every hellhole the US has stirred up in the middle east in the last few years

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>>679232350

if you think any anglosphere country would side with Russia then you are delusional ..common ancestry counts for everything

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>>679209800
WORLD WAR 3! WORLD WAR 3! WORLD WAR 3!

http://1.usa.g_ov/QQYwSb (remove underscore)

WORLD WAR 3! WORLD WAR 3! WORLD WAR 3!

>>679232350
>You know currency is a social construct, right?
Literally cannot
>Splitting hairs
Russia is not the powerhouse that USSR was, accept it. All Russia has going for it is being No. 2 and having a stockpile large enough to deter.
>We are talking about when America falls.
So comparing it to America pre fall is just retarded
Why would US allies not help the US? The US rebuilt Europe in the wars of the 20th century by pumping billions if not trillions into their economies for nothing in return
>That's implying Australia and most of Europe wouldn't side with Russia to prevent this
No European country would want to side with Russia. Nothing appealing about becoming a satelite state when the economy of the EU is stronger than the US's.

>>679222253
This isn't the good old Stalin days comrade, Russia is shit now
>in world war 2 they only won because of US support and its fucking cold there for Germans, Germany in its weakened state took down a million reds with them
>implying middle eastern countries are actually a threat towards any fucking military and not just political bullshit, beating them is nothing to boast about

>>679232878

The US wants to rule the world, and it's doing it. Money makes the world go round and all those little countries you mentioned where not towing the line, so they were brought into line by whatever means needed.

you don't have to like it buddy but its the facts ..i'd rather have the US at the top pulling the strings then Russia.

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>>679233260
countries who rejected the USA demand not to join the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank led by China, including the UK

things are changing

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>>679214714
If it's armed and flying an attack profile we would illuminate it with our fire control radars. If he didn't break off we would shoot him down. What jurisdiction? It's our ROE, inherent right to self defense

>>679214832
Nailed it.

>>679233832
>"US at the top pulling strings then Russia"
You can't spell at a middle school level, you might want to consider the fact that you don't know very much on a topic like this.

Yes, they do rule, no one is denying that and that's not even my argument, the point is it will not last forever and they're trying to make sure everyone in the world hates them as they lose power. The USA will not have the power it not has forever and I'd rather it not end in global extinction.

>>679232878
>>679232878

From who? Are you insane? If it wasn't for the US Navy the oil market could get fucked beyond imagining and cause a global depression.

You really are fucking stupid, aren't you?

Panama, Suez, any other number of canals and trading ports. I mean shit, you really know nothing about naval commerce or history. It's kind of sad.

>>679234137
1/2 the time it turns out to be an airliner. oops. oh well.

>>679209800
If those stupid assholes are coming that close, I'd get a fire hose and aim for an inlet. That'll teach the bastards.

I would like to see the shitstorm that would ensue if the US pulled every soldier, piece of equipment, and dollar inside it's own borders.
Watch the world die.

>>679233912

there are also dozens of other groups that the US has tried to topple but failed ..doesn't mean anything and doesn't mean that when it came to war that allies wouldn't back each other. the world is changing, but not the way you think.

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>>679233758
Blinded by patriotism: the post

What the people want in times of peace is almost polar opposite in times of unrest.

Hows social studies going for you? I'm thinking you have some reading to catch up on.

It's the same thing as when they flew planes bear Turkey. Only difference is Turkey had the guts to shoot the bastard down. Russia just has a reputation for taunting other nations with their planes.

Because

>>679234418
>>679234418

At that point you're just shooting them down, only with water. An engine failure at that altitude is about as fatal as anything.

>>679234588
>bear turkey

>>679234222
> If it wasn't for the US Navy the oil market could get fucked beyond imagining and cause a global depression.

I'm not buying this and most of the world doesn't buy it either. No evidence.

The world oil market is largely run by a pack of 7th century goat herders in Saudi Arabia. The US cruising around provoking wars in the Baltic isn't protecting anything. The US cruising around in the China Sea threatening China aren't protecting anything. They're trying to start a war. Imagine China cruising warships off the coast of California and how long the US would permit that.

>>679234588
>>679234588

It's not the same thing, at all. Russia was bombing people on and around its border. Those people happened to be Turkmen, pretty much Turkish people that Turkey has said it will defend and has defended for decades. Russia was bombing them and flying into Turkish airspace, not doing a fly by.

Two completely different situations. Nice try, though.

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>>679234198

this is how i know you have nothing. when you have to find spelling mistakes to bolster your argument.

The US is here to stay buddy.. as much as you would like to see them fall, they are the only thing keeping this world from turning feral.

>>679234509
The world would be a better place without sandniggers, that's for sure.

>>679229926
Lets see who has a better track record in Eastern Europe

US: 14 points, economic relife and support of independance after fall of ussr military aid

Russia: enforeced surfdom and rule, genocides and artificial famines, repressment of culture and relegion

Dont justify russia's shity actions off of america's

>>679235010
That was just added because it's relevant.

The argument follows but you're ignoring it.

>>679235083
RIP English

>>679234663
That's the point. It would also be extremely hard to prove. Who's to say it wasn't pilot error? Flew too low and hit a rogue wave.

Look at all of the commycucks in this thread holy fuck. Also usa has best military. Simply look at how much money we spend on it compared to other shitholes. Fucking please. If usa were to go to war with russia dont worry cucks usa will win hands down. We just need trump to dick slap pittin a few times.

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>>679234198
>The USA will not have the power it not has forever and I'd rather it not end in global extinction.

>it not has

Yeah, you might want to check your own post before you go berating others.

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>>679233758
>Why would US allies not help the US?
Because no one outside of America with half a brain actually likes America, look at all the bullshit we have had to put up with.

America is the boy who cried wolf.

>>679234356
...execpt that 99% of aircraft that are shot down are shot down using Russian made anti-aircraft guns and missiles.

>>679235571
Cry me a river faggot. You mad we could rape ur womans huh? Yeah we could but we let you have them because they ugly amd radioactive. Faggot.

>>679235434
>nukes

>>679235162

Oh I'm not ignoring it, it just reads like your own fantasy wish list than a valid argument.

You're the same guy that yells fuck the police then looks desperately around for them when you get mugged. Can't argue with stupid.

>>679235571
America is the boy with a huge dick and all the cool guns.

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>>679235245
dont h8 the playa hate the game nignog

>>679235803
American women are radioactive?

>>679235571
America will fuck you in your ass and take your resources then spit in your dirty cuck mouth right before his cum spills out of your trap wife and into your mouth.

They just needed gas or were looking over.

Russians get shot all the fuck time for this but they do it anyway.

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