>>678985442
Nothing to discuss here, we all know that's true

>>678985442
Humans are inherently violent discuss

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>>678985442
>mfw liberals think they can criticize Christianity, be pro-Islam, and pro-gay/women's rights.

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>>678985574
accidentally posted from my porn folder

>>678985504
Living beings are inherently violent. Discuss.

>>678985616
>accidentally

There's a quote directly from the Quaran that says "The pen of the scholar is worth more than the blood of the martyr" meaning education and writing is more important than sacrifice and violence. The whole religion is about peace and the meaning of Jihad was originally an inner struggle that terrorists just take a dumb way, of the 1.8 billion Muslims in the world less than one percent are terrorists. There are bad seeds in all religions

>>678985442
Nothing to discuss, we all know it's the reason and cause of all the worlds problems

>>678985504
are you muslim?

>>678985442
They were told they will get lade in the after life

>>678985442
saying discuss implies there are at least 2 possible outcomes/answers. No need to discuss as your statement is a fact and not an opinion.

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>>678985699
my porn and reaction folders have the same folder/file names so I didn't really look

if you wanted more all you had to do was ask

If I am violent. Do I become Islam?

>>678985892
No it's like.. all of Islam is violent.. but not all violence is Islam. You know?

Well the Qur'an is violent.

Human beings are violent.

I don't know that Islam is INHERENTLY any more violent than the next religion. Look at the Old Testament: Yahweh is a douchebag maniac. The OT literally tells you to stone people to death for pretty much farting wrong. The OT is violent, but you don't see a lot of Jews doing that shit. Saudi Arabia yes, Israel no.

I think there's more to it than just Islam. Islam isn't a monolothic force that we can analyze easily. It's like throwing Eastern Orthodox and Baptists together, then studying them by going to the Vatican.

>>678985892
If you're violent and think about islam that makes you a terrorist

>>678985892
Does the anger drive u to steal a aircraft and or fly it in to a place of buisnnes?

>>678985850
this

>>678985705
What happens if we blow up your little stone? Do all you peaceful Muslims remain peaceful? Or do you start a global holocaust to avenge the loss of your fruity pebble?

>>678985705
Fake and gay.

>>678986118
>>678985850
samefriend

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>The Quran states explicitly, and with zero room for interpretation, that killing innocents is bad
>The Quran states explicitly, and with zero room for interpretation, that other religions must be tolerated and allowed equal rights in Muslim societies
>Passages seeming to condone violence need to be viewed in the historical context that the Quran is a wartime document
The only thing I will agree with is that the book is a little hypocritical about the gender equality it claims to guarantee.
Anyway, I've actually read the Quran, happy to clarify anything you're wondering.

>>678985892
Nope. Logic says
if A->B then !B->!A
So it only would say if you are not violent you are not Muslim.

>>678986363
Then why isn't this so? They tolerate nothing and look for ways to kill you. Even the "peaceful" ones don't bother to let you know muhhammed buttface is poisoning your tea.

>>678986363
>killing innocents is not good
>killing infidels is a-ok since they are not technically people

>>678986151
>>678986044

What's that, boy? Checkmate? Okay, now scurry along with your little Taqiyya tactics, you Sunni liar, you.

Look at who is doing the violence in Muslim societies and across Europe. It is young men, who have been recruited and radicalized buy a group of people that operate an awful lot like a game. Their justification for going crazy like this is that they are being attacked by the evil West, the great Satan. Some kids get to see the tanks and bullets that have spawned this reactionary violence, and others are Muslim versions of SJWs, off to kick your ass for insulting Islam ("Islam is peaceful! To prove it I'm gonna kick your ass!").

It's social engineering aimed at young frustrated men using the same psychology gangs use, with the added bonus of going down as a martyr and getting 72 virgins. Psychologically it's more about belonging and testosterone than anything else.

It's not ISLAM. It's a few specific extra viral strains.

Again you don't see Jews obeying the literal commands for violence in the OT. That's because they're not FUNDAMENTALIST Jews (for the most part). It's the fanatics that insist on literalism that get you.

>>678985666
Yeah thanks for your input, Satan.

>>678986363
How about passages that say good things should also be seen in historic context?
Either put everything into context and with room for interpretation or nothing.

Certainly, the Quran and the hadith argue for dying for a just cause. The Prophet is quoted: "When one of you stands within the battle ranks, then that is better than the worship of a man for sixty years." However, later extremists who allege that the Quran supports the actions of terrorists do not have textual support. Suicide-murder is specifically and unambiguously prohibited.
>For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaugher or for crime, it is [as bad a crime as if] he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men...

>>678986587
>implying "they" are muslim

>>678985442
>>678986644
You are either a potential convert, or dead to them. One or the other, no exceptions.

>>678985504
pretty much this

What causes humans to be violent? Discuss

>>678985442

So is Christianity, so is Hinduism. The only thing that matters is casting off the brutal parts of these ancient tales and enjoying the positive lessons they teach. There is an increasing inability among the world's conservatives to obey the positive aspects of their chosen faiths while they revel in the cruelty and hatred these religions encourage.

In the USA the whole Jesus part of the bible is disregarded for the parts where you get to hate people, judge them, and shit on them. You know that part about wealthy people and not getting into heaven? American Christianity believes that being poor is a sin, even though most of the people that believe this are the uneducated, unemployed, republican poor. Charity? Jesus loved Charity, Americans think generosity and kindness are sins, enabling the sin of poverty.

Islam expressly commands the acceptance of other religions. It also bars the killing of innocents of any religion as an abomination. These tenets are disregarded by a sect within Islamic society, just like so many Christians disregard the great lessons of the bible. Purely so they can try to avoid new learning and by doing so, resist change.

The real disease that destroys every society is conservatism, the rise of conservatism in the west since the 1930s has led to stagnation and fear in favour of knowledge and change. Just like it did Arab society 500 years ago.

political islam = cancer

why is this a mystery? Peaceful muslims are irrelevant because they do NOTHING to prevent their violent brethren from victimizing jews, christians, buddhists, hindis, atheists and anyone that doesn't fit their narratives...

Check Dr Bill Werner on you tube please

>>678986644
The quran says
>If God had wanted all people to be Muslims, he would have made them so
>Say to the unbelievers: "You shall have your religion, and I shall have mine"
(that last passage is a very popular one to recite during daily prayers)
>Jews and Christians, if they are true to their principles, stand a good chance of getting into Muslim heaven
I'm happy to look up the specific passages if you like

Hey guys, I forgot the rest of this old nursery rhyme. It starts off:
Sunni and Shia sitting in a tree....

>>678986892
Primal instinct to kill in order to survive maybe? Idk honestly, just a thought.

If you can name a religion that it's followers don't have violent tendencies I'll give you one Internet

>>678987067
Here comes Abdullah with an SMG

>>678987048
"Muslim woman stopped 2nd Paris attack with Abdelhamid Abaaoud's hiding place tip"

If the Westboro Baptist Church started blowing shit up what are you -- you personally -- going to do about it? Drive to Westboro and pick a fight?

>>678987168
Atheism ftw! Never been a violent tendency amongst atheists (sic).

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There is actually a new game on Steam that explores this issue through historical fiction. "1979 Revolution".

>>678987202
Kek

>>678987168
Buddhism
You ever hear of a militant buddhist? Exactly.

>>678986363
i thought the whole deal about the Quran is that it was the word of god, unaltered and uncorrupted by man, and that was why muslims believe it literally. Doesn't that contradict with "viewing it in the historical context" a bit?

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>>678986985
What a load of bullshit.

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>>678987050
>Say to the unbelievers: "You shall have your religion, and I shall have mine"
top kek

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>>678987301
You would, but they kill all the reporters on arrival.

>>678987301
Are you joking? Maybe learn about Myanmar's Buddhists and a monk called Ashin Wirathu. Next time you post something make sure you do your learning.

>>678987301
Shaolin "Monks".. They were once bandits (not called monks then, btw)..

>>678985442
It's not that islam is violent. It's that most muslims are ignorant.

Oh look at whats on the chan, what a surprise.

A bunch of pathetic, racist, sexist, mysognistic, virginistic, islamophobic, transphobic, cis future rapists.

Grow up you white male losers.

>>678987279
The Vatican disagrees

>>678987256
Atheism isn't a religion, however if you take the actions of the Soviet union in Russia, the Khymer Rouge in Cambodia, and the Castro regime in Cuba you might think differently (to name a coulple)

>>678987648
What happens if we blow up your little stone? Do all you peaceful Muslims remain peaceful? Or do you start a global holocaust to avenge the loss of your fruity pebble?

Benazir Bhutto sez:
Let us look specifically at the issue of terrorism. Muslim jurists developed a specific body of laws called 'siyar' that interprets and analyzes the just causes for war. Part of the law indicates that
"those who unilaterally and thus illegally declare a call to war, attack unarmed civilians and recklessly destroy property are in flagrant violation of the Islamic conception of 'bellum justum'. Islamic law has a name for such rogue militants, 'muharibun'. A modern definition of muharibun would very closely parallel the contemporary meaning of terrorists. The acts that these muharibun commit would be called 'hiraba'(terrorism). Thus all terrorism is wrong under Islam. There is no 'good terrorism' and 'bad terrorism'."
Bin Laden's creed that "the terrorism we practice is of the commendable kind" is an invented rationalization for murder and mayhem. In Islam, no reckless slaughter of innocents is ever justified.

>>678987689
Look up the word "sic" for me please.

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>>678987653
Triggered

why sandniggers have pubic hair on faces ?

>>678987653
This is /b/ faggot

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>>678985591
Quoting without context. Like come on this is 1st grade shit dude.

"Fuck you" - Albert Einstein

No context means thats legit ^

>>678987799

You have three Christians, and a polytheist fink in your image.

>>678987779
Must've missed that (sic)

>>678987279
You know whats funny. All these things are actually checked yes under US federal law aswell yet no Muslim country has ever had anything like that. weird eh

How come Christians are allowed to pick and choose what they want to believe in the Bible but others can't?

The bible is full of sexism and incest, most people don't follow it like that, Muslims are the same?

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where could go wrong

>>678987311
Good question, and you're quite right about the first part. Here's the thing: there are several Quranic passages which are along the lines of "kill the unbelievers". Notice that it doesn't say "Kill unbelievers," it says "kill THE unbelievers". At the time these passages were 'revealed', the Muslim community was literally fighting for its life against the pagan tribes of Mecca who were trying to wipe them out. Every educated muslim knows this.
The uneducated ones are the ones who go on to use the Quran to justify terrorism.
Not once in the entire book is animosity toward non-combattants encouraged.

>the belief in personal and individual self worth and self preservation create minimal violent aptitude
>the belief in group superiority and solidarity on patriarchal principles creates maximal violent aptitude

Discuss.

>>678985500
/thread

>>678985705
Hundreds of millions of muslims support death for apostasy. Thats quite a dealbreaker

>>678987653
B-b-but, I'm half arab... Islam is predominantly an Arab religion in demographic and in origin.... I can't tell people that Islam is Satan-authored Meccan rock idolatry hellbent on taking over and desecrating the sacred sites of all other world religions? The only reason I call Muslims violent is from extensive experience with them being violent towards me... then again, I guess I should check my arab privelege...

>>678988157
List each point, and the corresponding legislation proving your assertion.

We'll wait ....

>>678988236
This describes the Bible, so what?

>>678988236
This looks like the beginning of American history to me.

>>678988176
Well the difference is that in Islam you're never meant to stop questioning Islam. If you learn arabic and read the Quran it seriously becomes so clear. I mean as a Muslim I don't have any problems with anyone of you. Even if you call me a pig, it's your choice to be who you want. I'm kinda just waiting for the west to start world war 3 and just hope I get to heaven. Hope to see some of you there though.

>>678988371
>Islam is predominantly Arabic

The country with the most muslims is Indonesia tho...they have more muslims than all the arabic countries combined...

>>678988176
They aren't. But since your opinion is based on either atheist or Muslim talking points, and not on actual biblical theology, I understand why you would think that.

>>678988176
Picking and choosing is considered hypocrisy under Islamic thinking, which is widely considered the second worst sin, after willful ignorance.
The Quran is treated like the US constitution -- you can't pick and choose what laws to follow, but you can interpret them in the light of modern society.

>>678987301
Retard detected.

Buddhism is responsible for insect-like kamikaze mentality. Accept your (low) place in the collective etc etc.

>>678988335
[Citation needed]

>>678988371
>Islam is predominantly an Arab religion
Not even close, mate. You guys are a minority in Islam; still y'all motherfuckers have really swell heads.

>>678987311
Newer passages override older ones. It's called abrogation. Unfortunately the newer passages are generally more violent.

>>678988559
*Semitic. Include Northern African Moors and those demographics start to look a heck of a lot different.

>>678988381
One secular law that everyone has to follow unconditionally AKA NETO

Church and state must be one, or in this case, the government is the ultimate moral force.

religious text as political constitution. Umm the US constitution can count as that considering that not until you all decided it was ok for women to vote and blacks to be considered human

death penalty in Islam is not for leaving the religion, it's for leaving the religion and conspiring against it, aka treason. Same thing as the US

Death penalty for criticizing religion or founder? Umm no sorry that's not apparent in Islam, however, if you insult or threaten the government or political elites in America you can and will get assassinated

mandated tax on believers, yes but only if you don't wish to support the islamic army in keeping the peace.

mandate for terror, no sorry, torture is not allowed in Islam however Guantanamo bay is ok with all of you. Also Islam isn't a preached religion do you ever see a guy passing out mini qurans?

(part 1/2)

>>678988786
The Berbers aren't semitic. Neither do they speak a Semitic language. They had white skin and red hair until the sandniggers came and shat in the gene pool. If you go deep in the mountains in Morocco you'll find people as white as any European -- they have a strong genetic link to the Sami people of northern Scandinavia.

>>678988763
The fact that people believe it's God's words doesn't mean that it can't be considered in context.

>>678989060
Koolfax. Keep spattin'.

The point is, they're right at the junction between Arabia and Africa, so they're genes reflect some of both continents... As for that Scandanavian stuff, they're also just opposite Western Europe, so there'll be some bloodlines that trace up north as well.. I'm not sure you can call it "shitting" in the genepool when you put yourself smackdab in the middle of those ethnicities...unless you meant to say that the Scandanavians shat in the local Negro/Semitic genepools. THAT would have some validity to it..

>>678989058
Wow...check out the mental gymnastics this fucker is doing.

Hey anon. don't even bother with part 2. Your part 1 clearly demonstrates that your thought and reasoning is horribly twisted.

It's impossible to discuss/debate anything with people like you. Hard facts don't exist in your world. You twist reality to fit your own world view. Nothing will be accomplished talking to you because of you mental disorder.

>>678988381
Lying is not allowed in Islam unless you are in a death/life situation. In most Western countries, I mean come on, the Panama papers just came out and you still have Hillary as a candidate.

Maiming,torture,beheading, and stoning part of practice.
Well no torture is not allowed in Islam, stoning is only optional if the person who calls for the stoning feels there is no other option for them. However considering the way in which Muslims were meant to be raised this would seem unneeded.

Invalidation of other religions? Sorry no the Quran constantly refers to Jews and Christians as our brothers and sisters of the book. Also tells us that every religion points to Islam, which if you study religion you can see that it is indeed true.

destroy other religions houses of worship? There are churches in Muslim countries and have been there for centuries.

Force violence against nonbelievers. Yes sure if they're provoking you and will not come to terms of peace that work out for the both of you.

Churches promote political agendas? What lol

Religious leaders can order adherents to war.
Well yes considering it is the Khalifia or basically the peoples elected official.

Last one is true only if it applies to a country of people being oppressed by a tyrannical government. Which in the near future will be America and Israel.

>>678989791
Yeah dude you're so right man, why did I even bother trying to educate you. Just enjoy the time you have left when you're sitting on your behind wondering how you could have been so deceived.

>>678989605
/int/ bulshitting aside, most Berbers resent being lumped into the pan-Arabic world. They don't need Arabs; they have their own identity.

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>>678986022
True story. This is yours now.

>>678989060
Fun fact: the Scandanavian race is literally the result of Niggers shitting in the genepools of Cavemen, or the other way around. So your argument is invalid.

>>678989921
Respect to you man, but do you really think you're gonna change anyone's mind on 4chan? The point of these threads is to choose a side and fight for it, ignoring all counterarguments which can't be exploited to call the other guy a faggot.
>If Allah had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you...

>>678990144
You can have these rolls placed with moderates being regular black people like Neil Degrassi and have the hood niggers being the radicals. It makes no sense you dumb child

>>678990295
Yeah I understand that but there's not harm in trying to get someone to understand. Not everyone in this thread is active, there could be lurkers.

>>678990159
Talkin' about mixing with Neanderthals? I won't argue with that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterosis

>>678985442
>Islam is inherently violent.

Perople are inherently violents.
/Thread

>>678989975
Here, have a special coin with your (/Berbers') "identity" on it! Aren't you cool now?! Now you don't have to go on resenting people referencing you based on your general geographic origin rather than some abstruse and wholly varient subset that has come to define it. It's ssooo important what ancient vagina shot your wife-beating forefathers into this world. Trust me, I can relate! I of the elite and hyperendogamous race of humans known as "people", though I prefer the title of 'mankind' to it. You have NO idea of how insulting it is for me to have to hear people come up to me and confuse me for "that guy", or "dude". How derogatory can you get!

sand niggers gonna sandnig

discuss.

ISIS or Islam: Which Breeds Terrorism?

https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2016/04/07/terrorism-isis-or-islam/?singlepage=true

If Islam is such a great religion, why are the refugees going to Europe instead of the other Islamic countries like the UAE?

>>678985666
The universe is inherently violent. Discuss.

>>678987724
Surely, if someone blew up the statue of liberty they'd be glassed or carpet bombed before they could count to 3 Mississippi.

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>>678987799
>swastika is to the left

>>678991147
Because all the other closest ones are filled to the ass with refugees, see jordan, lebanon, etc

A Muslim view of radical Islam

We are dealing with something more sinister, more devious and much more destructive than restless young men who are treated unfairly; we are dealing with jihadists who are protected by non-militants who believe in their hearts the jihadists are right.

We may not like it, but we have to face the ugly truth: Islam hates us — because Allah tells his followers they must.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/4/mark-christian-a-muslim-view-of-radical-islam/

>>678990978
Amen. I know this ALL to be true from experience with it firsthand.

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>>678986985
>In the USA the whole Jesus part of the bible is disregarded for the parts where you get to hate people, judge them, and shit on them. You know that part about wealthy people and not getting into heaven? American Christianity believes that being poor is a sin, even though most of the people that believe this are the uneducated, unemployed, republican poor. Charity? Jesus loved Charity, Americans think generosity and kindness are sins, enabling the sin of poverty.

[biasing intensifies]

>>678985442
it is.

what is there to be said about that?

>>678985442
>Islam is inherently violent.

I agree.

But OP pic seems more like the aftermath of a soccer match.

>>678986363
the quran also states that if there is any contradiction , take the one that came later, and all the peaceful shit is at the start and all the killing stuff is at the end, draw ur own conclusion

>>678987882
What is the correct context then? Show us all the context that makes the idea of "kill anyone who doesn't believe what I do" peaceful.

>>678990818
I'm American but I've got a lot of Berber friends and they're scared of the Arab world going into a tailspin and taking them down with it. Pro-Berberist beans pro-secularism, pro-racial diversity, pro-cultural diversity, pro-sustainable development pro-democracy, willing to cooperate with the West.

>>678991224
Well, if you could do that withoit killing anybody, NO, there wouldn't. It's a cruddy statue that those pussy French gave to us. We don't worship it as our Lord and Savior like your little pebble-Jesus. And even if you killed a bunch of us, remember 9-11? The Statue of Liberty can house an infinitesimal of what those buildings were capable of.. The aftermath to that incident was FAR from the next world war/global holocaust. And Americans were largely against it. How about killing people over losing a tiny little patched clump of petrified Muhummad shit? How would your average Muslim react to that?

Ten Facts You Need to Know about the Quran

https://youtu.be/uzLYIXfx9eE

>>678991844
See >>678988238

>>678991745
You do know that the order the chapters of the Quran is not chronological, right? They were 'revealed' in a completely different order than they were compiled.

>>678991847
Good, as I said, I am an Arab who is intensely critical of the current state of Arabia. In particular, Islam. I have no objections whatsoever.

>>678991844
Also see >>678987050 because you seem confused

>>678985442
Islam is just a set of words
People are violent
The words just make them ok with it

>>678985500
/thread

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>>678992063
Great, now we know they're unorganized in addition to being violent.

Wait, we can already see that because they're killing each other as well.

The Myth of the Tiny Radical Muslim Minority

https://youtu.be/g7TAAw3oQvg

>>678992173
Oh. We're only arguing because we're on 4chan, aren't we?

Mostly all religions are violent besides those monks that sweep before they step so they don't kill bugs.

>>678992511
Didn't Gandhi have two people carry him around so he didn't squash bugs? That means he was responsible for twice the number of bugs being squashed.

>>678992432
What are you doing ITT if you don't want to bother listening to anyone else?

>>678991983
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

I am sorry, the moment you said no any intellectual integrity you had went right out the door, you guys waged war for less. (Iraq anyone? I'd love to see all of those WMD's you guys found :^)) Don't be a delusional cuck.

Any country would fight if any building of historical or iconic importance was destroyed, are you implying the french wouldn't fight for the Eiffel tower? or the Italians for their leaning tower of pizza? or the British for big ben? or even the chinese for their Ebin meme wall.

I am not a sandnigger, but you're dumber than a sack of potatoes if you think bombing a historical/iconic symbol of a nation isn't instant casus belli.

>>678992332
Yes, yes, we know. Now let us brawl it out.

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>>678986151
>What happens if we blow up your little stone?
Ever seen the Pantom Menace?
When they blow up the droid control ship all battle droids shut down immediately.

I suspect the same thing will happen once that cube is gone.

>>678985442
* abrahamic religions are inherently violent

>>678992667
Please, tell me how the sunnis and shiites or whatever you personally call them aren't hostile against each other for some retarded choice that happened over a millenia ago. Enlighten me.

>>678992667
He was Hindu and used to beat his wife. Those are the ones that light themselves on fire for protests

>>678992758
Mecca is only a symbol, doing that would put the west in a world war with 1.8 billion people. Instant world war III not a good idea.

>>678992758
Seems logical, let's do it.

Fun fact, the Kaaba was worshipped long, long before Islam began. It was a pagan shrine, and people from dozens of religions would walk around it three times just like Muslims today, except they did it naked (imagine that happening today). When Mohammed conquered Mecca he removed the pagan idols which were placed all around the stone.

>>678992696
I said, and I quote, "a pebble". Not the holly Kaaba, not the metal ring, not the pilgrims visiting it. A PEBBLE! If you went into the Louvre and destroyed the Mona Lisa, the world would mourn it's loss, try to find the people who did it to put them in prison, and move on the VERY NEXT DAY. How about your little petrified dogterd? How would your aberage Muslim react to losing that piece of "art"?

>>678992758
The kaaba is a symbol. It has been destroyed and rebuilt before. The mudslimes are fucking zerg man.

>>678992758
Amen!

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Who doesn't hate muslims nowadays?

>>678985442
INFIDEL ISLAM IS RELIGION OF PEACE, ALLAHU AKBAR!!!

>>678993219
Cucks and SJWs. But you probably already know this.

>>678992880
I can tell you the conflict isn't condoned by Islam, as the Quran prohibits A) creating different sects of Islam and B) arguing with people who do.
Basically, if people want to fight one another, they'll do it with or without religion. I'm sure that's a concept you can grasp.

>>678992501
Maybe.

>>678986985
>Rape isn't legal in the west
>being gay isn't illegal in the west
>Women can leave their house in the west

bad b8

>>678993110
If it was an attack by a foreign nation? They obviously would go to war over it. Pebble or a stone, or even a whole building, violating a sovereign nation is instant casus belli regardless of damage caused. If it was done by an individual or a group that had no connection to a nation then they would be punished. They wouldn't just go like ''an american did it lets invade america and kill all the Americans''. There have been many individual terrorist attacks in saudi by splinter groups and random individuals, the government perused them. They didn't declare war on the countries they belonged to.


Even if this was the case you still implied that the US wouldn't go to war over the statue of liberty being destroyed because gift by french or not many injuries or whatever, your still dumber than the gum stuck on the bottom of my shoe.

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>>678986363
>no room for interpretation
>needs context

Sure thing, anon

>>678986985
"The clerics felt they should have the power and authority to interpret the Holy Book. The rulers felt that free inquiry challenged their right to autocratic power. In any case, intellectuals were no longer allowed to pursue knowledge freely or to engage the practical world, and tragically they turned inward.
"We can only imagine how very different the course of civilization would have been if Islamic scholarship, innovation, science and medicine had been encouraged to develop and grow over the centuries. But the intellectual strangulation of the rulers and clerics stood in the way of creative, innovative thought. Scholars turned away from seeking new knowledge. Jurists and intellectuals focused on following the letter of the law in Islam as interpreted by a few chosen scholars, rather than reading the Quran and thinking for themselves. Instead of seeking meaning from the Quran to marry with reason and consultation to develop a new framework for contemporary challenges, the easy path was taken by recourse to meanings interpreted by scholars of a bygone age."

>>678993975
You're fucking stupid

>>678994046
I'm happy to provide you with passages from the Quran, but if you need a dictionary you're gonna have to find one yourself.

>>678993574
Rape isn't legal in the east, you get stoned to death

Being gay is illegal because being gay however to prove gayness there have to be 4 witnesses who watched you have sex with another man. Unless you're having sex in public this isn't likely to happen.

Women can leave their homes, what are you talking about? Even in Saudia Arabia (Which isn't a fucking representation of Islam) this isn't true. The only thing women aren't allowed is to drive, They can work and attend education just like everyone else.

>>678994212
Keep the cancer off /b/ and where it belongs

>>678994411
>The only thing women aren't allowed is to drive
And how many car crashes are there in Saudi Arabia?

>>678993384
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expect if it was for anything other the religion they would have stopped fighting a long time ago, but is the shit mentality of islam that keep it going,
muslims obvious dont want to admit that their religion as a motivating factor for a majority of their wars used as a tool to rally the people, and you could argue that for christian, AT a time when people couldnt read the text for themselves and had to have priest and popes tell them what was right and wrong, however once majority could start reading the violence related to Christianity towards other religions have dropped.

>>678993762
You're the delusional fucktard, actually. I said that the American reaction would be on par with what we did in Afghanistan. We didn't cause a world war. You are literally justifying all out proliferation between countries over a tiny rock! Then you say that I'M delusional!?! Fuck You you Mudslime felching bottomfeeder! If the Mona Lisa was destroyed by a kabal of the ENTIRE Muslim world, kind of like the Hagia Sophia was liberated from us by a kabal of the ENTIRE Muslim world, our reaction would be, "meh". "That sucks". "What a loss". And you all would kill people for it. You are psychopathically violent and deserve to see total obliteration of your "faith". Maybe when you stop selling your soul to a rock, your hearts will be turned from stone to flesh as well, and you'll get why civilized people Don't kill each other over landmarks when no loss of life is involved!

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>>678985442
islam is a religion that goes against the very nature of humanity

its followers are so caught up in its tenants and repressed by them that it often drives them to zeal beyond all need

and most middle eastern and western leaders exploit this fact spawning splinter groups and regimes to further a third party agenda which a vast majority of the followers seem not to notice

so in conclusion
>not inherently violent
>willfully ignorant and easily manipulated

>>678992432
laughed so fucking hard at this for some reason

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Hitler was right. After the Jews he was gunna git the sandniggers

>>678994411
yeah mufti, 'only' not allowed to drive
you have a country whoes laws are based strongly of their religion.
still has a ruler family with total control,
the very fact that women cannot drive, is a sign that they are seen as unequal, you actually cannot defend this point.
so how does this in your mind get justified, i cant wait for response.

>>678985442
I'll Fucking kill you for saying that
Real sandnigger muzzy btw, and would totally kill the banana posters if i manage to catch any

>>678986363
Yes sir. Am I innocent in the eyes of the Qur'an if I believe Christ Jesus is Lord?

if islam is a religion of peace why isnt extremist islamists extremely peaceful

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>>678995882
Lmfo. They are tho! They want other people to have peace SOO much they help them rest in peace when they can't find it with them!

>>678995882
The Quoran only has the words rape, murder and stoning 599 times and it has the word peace 600 times, therefore ISLAM IS THE RELIGION OF PEACE INFIDEL!!!!

>>678985705
1 percent of 2 billion = 20 000 000 terrorists.

>>678994616
So...America doesn't fight wars, is that what you're saying?

>>678996170
"...Rape the woman. She will sleep in peace. Stone the homosexual. Let him rest in peace. Murder the non-believer. He should've kept his peace. This is Mohammed speaking. Peace out!"

>>678994656
i know you're using ad hominem because you don't have an actual argument but ill bite.

What you did in Afghanistan? Do you even have any idea The amount of innocents you've killed the damage you've caused or the amount of instability you created in the region, when alqaeda itself was created, funded and trained by the USA itself?

I never implied they would go to world war over it, but ill try to explain this with a metaphor just for the sake of the argument, imagine all of the civilized western countries built one massive embassy together on neutral soil, this embassy represents many foreign powers and is a symbol of their unison. Now imagine one country carpet bombs it to ash, can you imagine how the collaborative military response to an attack like that would be? Same with muslims, they all have a ''stake'' in the kaaba just like those western countries had in that embassy, if the kaaba were destroyed and you could pinpoint the one country that did it. It would be completely justifiable to carpet bomb them to kingdom come.

The kaaba is just a rock but so what? You're just a sack of flesh, a table is just a plank of wood, Objects only have value because we assign value to them, your PC PS4 or XBOX are all just a boxes of wires and nano-chips and shit but wouldn't you be mad if someone rekt them? ofcourse you would because they mean something to you. Now to question whether they have a healthy influence on you ( like the kabba or islam has on a society) is a completely different matter.

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>>678987548
But that monk does nothing wrong.
He just wants to get rid of a cancerous minority that wouldnt even be there in the first place if it werent for the brits.
The rojingas terrorize buddhists in turn you know?

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>>678996641
ALLAHU AKBAR, let the infidels know that the teachings of Muhammad are true. Pic related is proof

>>678996766
Tl;dr. I hope that little rock of your's disappears real soon so all you "peaceful Muslims" can go on with your lives without having to be overburdenes with making that cumbersome pilgrimage to Mecca you're all expected to perform.. Love and peace, brother from another idol.

>>678996766
>your PC PS4 or XBOX are all just a boxes

arent u using a pc/phone too

>>678993384
I'm no expert on the Koran, so I'll take your word for it.
However, let's look at something simply.
What religion is the excuse for the most bombings in the world?

Sure, you'll probably tell me about the handful of bombings or whatever by a Christian or Jew, but they're not the majority.

>>678994837
pretty much this

>>678997197
Yes i am and i appreciate those inventions, i was just trying to make a point that him saying the kaaba is just a rock is as valid as me saying the PC is just a box full of wires and shit.

The intrinsic value of any object is subjective, saying ''its just a rock'' is at best intellectually dishonest and at worst outright idiocy.

>>678997262

since 9/11, many times more people have died at the hands of christians in the US than at the hands of "muslim extremists", so your argument is null and void

>>678988384
The old Testament is juadic bullshit that got shoehorned in it out of necessity due to the first practitioners being jews, the new is were the core of the religion is at and you see the difference between christianity and islam if you realize that in the first 500 years of its creation christian sects did spread peacefully until the creation of organized imperial doctrine.

Now islam started smashing othe people's idols right in the first decades of its creation and waged jihad against north africa, persia and the levant soon after mohammeds death.

>>678997602
Nope.

>your PC PS4 or XBOX are all just a boxes
PS4 better than Xboner ONE. Prove me wrong fags. Protip: You can't

>>678997602
but did they die at the hand of christians who saw it as god's word and did not murder knowingly it would be probably a sin?

Also the amount of muslims isnt high enough yet in the US in order to incite great amounts of violence in the name of god.
Look at the demise of the kalash people as an example for what may happen to you if you try to mind your own business as a minority in an islamised society that actually reads its scriptures instead of syncretisizing the shit out of them.

>>678997602
In the hands of Christians in the US? You see, I've had this argument with a friend of mine, and this kind of thing happens:
If we're talking about the safest place to live, it's the USA and it's not a Christian-based country. If we're taking about who armed the terrorists in the middle east and started wars everywhere, it's the USA and now it's a Christian country.

>>678996766
I ended up reading. I can't tell if you are genuinely that ignora t that you don't understand what I am referring to when I say "destroy that rock". I am not referring to the whole Kaaba! I am referring to one tiny, fist sized accessory of it called al-Hajar al-Aswad, or, in English, the Black Stone. I am not talking about killing anybody either. I am talking about someone walking up to the Stone and instead of kissing it, spilling highly potent acid onto it and effectively liquifying it. Or something of that nature. What "should" be the outcome? If I were to say, NOTHING!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Stone

>>678987301
Yes. Yes, I have. Maybe you should read some more history before making such baseless accusations.

>>678998389
Buddhism can be militant as fuck, if they would be theyd be extinct by now.
Its under the "kill in order to prevent greater killing" though, not "kill those who dont pay tax for not believing like you do".

>>678985442
Islam = Souless blood cult. Simple as that. If the terrorists are a small representation with billions of practioners then why are those opposed not silencing those who practice extremeism?

>>678997494
You made the concession that it may be a horrible influence on Muslims. That much I respect you for. That is why I wish to see the Black Stone destroyed. I think it will alleviate that influence and help abolish the warped concept of heaven by Jihad that some Islamists have. A thing that very closely correlates to the rituals of the Black Stone itself. Again, my friend, I am not talking about bombs being dropped or people dying, or a building/hq being destroyed! I am with you on those things! I am also with you against the Afghan war. I have spent hours a day ranting about those atrocities committed by us over there and years of me giving these rants! Maybe you can relate to me when I say, "don't support false flag operations"!

>>678995247
you have no idea what you talk about!
the said "islam will be relegen for our soldiers"
"The peoples of Islam will always be closer to us than, for example, France"

hitler was human garbage just like those islamstics

>>678998311
What would be the outcome to that? Would be the outcome of someone melting the mona lisa? Depending on jurisdiction and law, they could be arrested and left to rot in jail for life. In saudi they'd probably receive the death penalty, but in my opinion that more merciful than life behind bars.

>>678987779
"sic" doesn't mean sarcasm. You might want to look it up.

>>678999244
This, he craved the warrior ethos and extreme exclusivness of Islam.

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>>Muslim detected

>>678998874
''Heres a guy with a gun whose likely to do violent things to those who disagree with him, here ill go tell him not to go do violent things'' said no sensible human being ever and i would just like to remind you the the majority of the victims of terrorist attacks are infact moderate Muslims.

>>678999727
>moderate
more like bad muslims who place their empathy above the faith in the eyes of the pious.

In western world your not allowed to talk shit about fags.

By Sharia your not allowed to talk shit about God.

Same shit different names, they both have their different aspects. Except in most Muslim countries you get praised for being the top, the man paying the bills etc. In the western world your a cis cunt and needs to die...

>>679000062
''Bad Muslim'' and a ''good Muslim'' is the terrorist i suppose? the Quran itself says none is allowed to make that judgment but god himself, and that he who kills another especially a Muslim it is as if they have killed all of humanity, its a grave crime to begin with. Most of the radicals are poor impoverished and have very little understanding of the world around them, someone giving them money women and food and telling them that they will go to heaven fighting for a righteous cause is like a fucking lottery ticket.

>>679000410
>In western world your not allowed to talk shit about fags.
Sweden is not western world.

>>678985442
all religion is inherently violent

>>678999374
Sic is used for quoting some source you find egregios. You might want to blank the blank up.

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>>679000523
>but god himself
But if the quoran is the word of god, isnt it truthful to judge people according to its criteria?

If only god would judge the souls alone by himself he wouldnt have send a messenger.

Now you are right concerning the usual demographics of the people who go and blow themselves up.
But that kind of people is what most nations, ideologies and cults draw their strenght from by creating incetivces for them to do something risky or cruel.

*send a messenger to lay out rules and dogmas for people to be judged.

>>678999268
Good! That's level headed.

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>>678986892
primal instinct to survive, us them mentality, battle for resources, battle for the right to breed. i think that pretty much covers it.

all religion has retarded passages, Christianity just as much as islam, but you don't hear them taken seriously in christianity as often for some reason. i'd be interested to know what that reason is

>>678985705
jihad was originally about an inner struggle. well thats some a grade bs right there. muhammad was a qonquering warlord.

>>679001599
>i'd be interested to know what that reason is
because it's 2016.

>>678995343
I do agree that there is inequality but i am of the mindset that the sexes are inherently unequal and attempting to make them so has only seemed to breed misery.

A quick glance at western societies, shows you that equality isn't all sunshine and roses, that men have become increasingly withdrawn from society, that they have been unable to adapt to no longer having a defined role within society or purpose, look at the MGTOW the PUA, the weeb, the otako and you need to look no further. Men have become increasingly reclusive relying on porn, video games, masturbation and anime because they no longer understand society and are clearly no longer welcome to be part of it.

The, but the social dichotomy in a Muslim society is different, it sacrifices individual freedoms because it recognizes the natural aptitude of both genders, having defined gender roles and expectations within a society creates symbiosis and puritanical ideals as affronting as they are to personal freedoms are very effective preventing the spread of STD's and teenage pregnancies, as well as single parent households. I could write a thesis paper about all the underlying mechanisms and ideologies that give shape to these societies, but suffice to say that the core of my argument is that ''different does not inherently mean wrong, and the belief that the western ideal is somehow superior to the eastern one is merely a resulted of an over-inflated ego and hubris.

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>>679001044
but that's not an inherent fault in religion itself, religion is merely a tool, do you consider a gun evil when and if it used by the wrong hands? then how could you comparably call religion evil, when individuals interpret it and use it to as a means to an end?

>>679002705
>I do agree that there is inequality but i am of the mindset that the sexes are inherently unequal and attempting to make them so has only seemed to breed misery.

True.
But there is a golden middle between acknowledging the differences and supporting them and dogmatic objectification which.

The third point is that Mohammed’s Koran thinks nothing of marriage, but permits everyone to take wives as he will. Therefore, it is customary among the Turks for one man to have ten or twenty wives and to desert or sell any of them that he will, when he will, so that in Turkey women are held immeasurably cheap and are despised; they are bought and sold like cattle. Although there may be some few who do not take advantage of this law, nevertheless this is the law and anyone can follow if he will. Such a way of living is not marriage and cannot be marriage, because none of them takes a wife or has a wife with the intention of staying with her forever, as though the two were one body, as God’s Word says, in Genesis 2:24, “The man shall cleave to his wife and they two be one body.”
t. Martin Luther a habitant of medieval europe were gender roles were seen as godgiven.

What I am trying to say is that there is a golden middle between negative etremes for everything, and while the west in the current year is too much weighted to one extreme islam is too much weighted against the other.

>>679003073
I regard religion as both, a tool for population control but also a legit worldview to comfort the sould and the search for objective morality.

Now you can have a hunting rifle and an MG.
Both are tools, but one is aimed at humans only while the other one has more options of use.

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No one has a comment on these informative videos?

>>679004066
Holy shit

>>679003738
I apologies but this is blatantly false, I've done extensive research on Islam (I am an academic scholar with a degree in theology) and have read the Quran several times to that effect.

It is well known that a man may take no more than 4 wives, with a range of stipulations including but not relegated to that all 4 most be treated equally, the amount of time, attention and money that each receives must be equal and it is the duty of the man to provide and protect them.

A woman is allowed to divorce a man who cannot feed or shelter her and her children she is also owed a dowry upon marriage (a gift in gold) and she is owed a mua'kher which is a salary she receives after her divorce, if she is to be divorced.

Above all the practice of polygamy itself is discouraged because the scripture itself says that they must be just and equal between all their wives and that they will not be capable of doing so.

I would just say that your woefully uninformed or rather misinformed about the subject.

>>678986044
I would say that is a fairly intelligent observation.

>>679004066

They all look the same to me.

>>678985705
Yeah less than 1% of the population are murderers. However like 10% of the Muslim population are extremist

>>679004066
i think that they just all look the same

>>678987245
Nah bro, but if they live down the street I'm not going to bring groceries to them in hiding and keep their location to myself while they plan more attacks.
Faggot

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>>678985442
>Islam is inherently violent.

Jews are greedy scum who specialize in false flag events such as 9/11 in order to demonize Islam. 2% of the population vs 20%. Hmm.

>>678985504
What a cop out, this completely ignores human social progression. Muslims are the toddlers of humanity, going through their terrible twos, throwing tantrums and hissy fits for attention. They need to grow the fuck of like the rest of humanity.

>>679003971
This is where your analogy breaks down, because the purpose of a tool is whatever its owner intends it to be you can say that an MG is aimed at hunting humans while a hunting rifle has several uses. When in reality an item or an ideology cannot have a predefined purpose because they are not sentient they are not capable of discerning a cause for the existence nor use. We believe that a banana exist as a source of food, yet some of us use as a scale to measure other items comparatively, if we feed the banana to a serial killer so that he may live and continue killing make the banana evil? no it doesn't, a banana just is, a religion just is.

Anything without the capability of self-determinism can neither be inherently good nor evil.

>>678988238
holyshit dude. muslimanon here, and u are the literal imam of 4chan. no one can argue with u here. i respect ur pursuit for truth, brother

>>678987279
The validity of this can't be trusted seeing as it says Christianity didn't call for stoning etc, and that women are equal

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>>679006405
stfu you sand nigger loving cunt.

if trips islam is terrorist

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>>678985442
You got it right in the Filename

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TRIPS OF TRUTH

>>678985442
That region of the world in violent, put a bunch of Buddhist monks there and in a year they will be killin each other

Why don't you all ever discuss how violent and terroristic Christians can be? Islam is a peaceful religion, and most of you Islamophic people are just keyboard warriors. You know that Islam is not a religion of war

>>678986985
Hinduism? Clarify.

if I roll trips Islam is not the violent religion you say it is

>>679005723
A tool gets crafted a banana's growth was made by other factors in this universe then the intervention of men.

A religion isnt "just" there.
It is a worldview that feeds on peoples consent, on individuals zeal to qaccept and define it as truth and to spread.
In order for there to be christianity, a christ was needed and disciples who followed him out of their own decision.
The same goes for the rest, buddhism isnt a natural process implanted in our brains, we conciously decide to follow it in its whole or to interpret its founders words.

Self-determinism is the reason religions exist in the first place and they are the foundation of the believers self determined morality.
Now some religions can be said to be more aggressive then others.
Such as ancient judaism "Then the LORD demanded them to be slain!" in contrast to lets say cao dai.

>>678987168
Jains.

>>678985616
does anybody have the full version of that picture where that guy fucks the girl ?

>>678985504
Ayy there's the real prompt

>>679008518
krystal boyd

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>>678985442
>Islam is inherently violent

duh

like anyone with half a brain cell could tell just by looking around

let alone reading history

or perusing the koran or hadith

islam is pre-scientific, tribal, intolerant and rapacious...like this is really news to anyone who can think and isn't brainwashed by the radical new left and their dreams of 'multicultural' paradise

>>679007826
Tell that to the yazidis.

>>679008291
Yes, religion exists because of man, all man made concepts are this way, but the mistake here is a fundamental attribution error, simply because we created a thing (idiology, invention, whatever) the thing does not become a moral entity, now describing aspects of the thing and saying this religion contains violence is the same as saying this gun contains bullets, violence is again not inherently evil. Just as one can use the bullets in a gun to murder the innocent, so can they be used to protect, similarly with religion. A religion could contain violence without it itself being violent because again self determinism. Which leads us back to the individual who does and determines how that is used.