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All right, to all political right wingers out there, and god knows you're numerous. For years i've been coming here witnessing all the racism and lack of morality and i still welcome it, cause it's funny. On these aspects i forgive the general stupidity. But i cant believe the political spectrum is actually so far to the right on this board. So let me call you what you all are: fucking disgusting retards. Not even talking about anyone supporting republican candidates for the us election, cause i'm not interested in talking to the lowest iqs people in modern nations history (we should just burn all of yall youre such a threat to the species' survival). But for those who live in decently intelligent countries, or in the northern states of usa, you still fucking disgust me. How can you think capitalism is a good system even though we're way past the booming period when it seemed to work fine for the majority ? Unless you're a ceo or some shit, how can you advocate the fact the richest have stolen money equivalent to the deficit of modern countries , putting tax pressure on the middle class ? For the outrageous american dream mentality's sake ? It's just sad. You're admitting being sheeps giving your best efforts to the wealthy shepherds because of your secret hope you'll one day become one too. You're getting brainwashed everyday by omnipresent ads convincing you to buy an apple phone that's not worth the tenth of its price, with bullshit arguments like the fact its fashionable that are perfectly fit for retards like you. You watch as inequalities get larger and larger and you say 'yeah it makes sense because merit should be valued !' without thinking even once it can be valued without you eating poisonous, corrupt-FDA-approved shit that companies starve mexicans for them to sell it to you, without people begging for food on the street scaring kids while a hundredth of the tax-stolen richest's money could have given the whole human population a decent minimum to liveon
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You think capitalism is about being a diligent, efficient worker that must fight against the evil lazy benefit eating poors who will come and steal all your money. Do you realise you make it up as if it was the main fight while it's like two little girls fighting over who's gonna have the last candy compared to the whole haribo factory getting them to work with guns on the back of their neck so the ceo can build his own mountain of candies ? Yeah i'm forced to use this ridiculous comparison because you seem so retarded actually using economical words is out of the question. The poor is not a fucking danger ! We could build everyone on the planet his own sushi bar with the evaded tax money ! If you're a capitalist, and thus probably have your own car and house, are you really needing so much more that it's necessary that some people be allowed to win millions of dollars a month ? I'm not even talking about abolishing luxuary, sport cars or mansions ! Simply preventing people from being able to pay for a new mansion every year ! Is that so fucked up ? Are you satisfied with having to pay 99 percent of bran d value when buying clothes to get girls, so that nike's ceo can swim in champagne while starving chinese kids ? you make me fucking sick.
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>>678962634
Preach it, comrade
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>>678962793
oh yeah you bet imma preach it ! We need the revolution to happen and it's getting closer and closer, the youth is realising that, the only obstacle left is the ignorant mass of stupid fuck that is the reason why the revolution will be a bloodbath. I'm telling you brother, the day it happens i'll be so fucking happy to kill a capitalist for the sake of the rise of the socialist society, as many of them as possible, i'd gladly die for that, cause it's come to the point where the idea of living in a sane world is less attractive than dying in a world where this fucking scum suffers and dies !
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Ohh I hope this isn't bait because I honestly thought I was the only Communist on /b/
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>>678961549
Comrade!!!!

So good to find another on this board.
So many nazis were posting just hours ago.
The fight must go on!

Long live the Revolution! !
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If where revolting can we make socialist memes to make the movement stick?
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A Spector is haunting /b/
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>>678963838
>>678964027

no it's not bait my man. I dont know if its the same for you but i've been shutting up about this for lack of interest for years. I just thought it wasnt that bad a situation, that the few richest didnt impact the people, that the problems of the system where due to a few crazy dictatorships that enslaved their population. But no more. Anyone supporting this shit anymore cant be anything than retarded. Anyone thinking it's middle class versus working class is blind and deaf or watches cnn. And the fact is most of the population is. Most of the population gives no shit about politics. Most vote based on a matter of personality, not policies. We need a revolution. sorry if that seems extreme but that's what i fundamentaly think.
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>>678961549
Comrade if this thread gets pruned then we'll create more let's fight fascism together
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>>678963838
You are NOT alone, comrade.
We ARE here.
Post a pic or post the flag.

We will respond.
Or bomb a nazi thread.
If I see one, I attack asap!

Long live the Bolshevik Revolution!!
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Did anyone waste their time reading any of this thread?

Tl;dr: tl;dr
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Communist puppy approves of this thread
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>>678964702
>kulak detected
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>>678964702
Socialist read shit unlike you fascist
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>>678964525
Comrade, just as I posted for anon, just send up the flag and post.
There are some great images online for communists; download and use!!!!

Fight these freakin' nazi posters together!!
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So when are we going to make the private ownership of capital illegal?
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Today we rise the flag if /b/'s socialist movement LETS GULAG THE REACTIONARIES!!
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>>678964898
Very nice, comrade. Post more for glory of the proletariat!
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>>678961549
Then why did communism fail?

If its so great, why did it fail?

Capitalism isn't perfect, but works.
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>>678964089
yeah that seems like a nice idea, we'd need communication geniuses to make it work... even though i dont believe it would. The youth is already massively socialist. Look at bernies' stats, look at what's happening in europe: all protestants are <20. And memes cant touch anyone but the youth. Our ennemy, certainly is the top 1 percent, but its army is the retarded mass of middle aged racist fucks that comes from another time. once you're brainwashed, it's over: i consider those lost forever. Either we prevent them from voting, or it's the armed revolution.
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>>678961549
I DONT UNDERSTAND POLITICS OR GOVERNMENT /b/ PLEASE EXPLAIN ME
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>>678965035
>create an authoritarian state capitalist nation
>observe results
>hurr stateless, classless society can't work

Why is it impossible for reactionaries to come up with more than three responses to socialist ideas?
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>>678964543
Comrades!!!

United against the fascist monster, we cannot be defeated!!
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>>678963652
Well with the general public being so fucking stupid, I don't ever see it coming. Something needs to change. The people that are capable of changing something need to step up. WE need to get out there and stop opression. No one is going to do it for us
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>>678965035
Because it was never tried. Look it up. Not even once. China and Russia where STATE CAPITALISTS. That's a huge difference.
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>>678965035
Communism didn't fall when the USSR fell the naxals didn't say "oh Communism failed let's allow the government to oppress us"
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>>678965219
>organize socialist groups
>become advanced guard
>spread socialist ideas to the proletariat
>use mass line to agitate for economic democracy
>When the people become class conscious and ready to fight for socialism, aid them in seizing control

Our job as socialists is to spread ideas and give the people our vision of a better world - a united world that uses its productive powers for the improvement of society and the self-actualization of all.
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>>678965219
Oh hell yeah. Amen to that ! There are signs of it happening. Here in France, we can see how a minority (the active youth thats protesting in the streets) can manage to have an huge impact on the overall population, simply because they're active and motivated and concerned. I dont think what we're having will transform into anything violent, or efficient, or will amount to anything come election time, and that makes me sad: but it's the light of hope, the fire that is just starting and one day will come when it's strong enough for us to pick it up and use it to light up our molotov cocktails.
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>>678965199
Neat strawman.

Now answer my question.

>>678965226
> Because it was never tried. Look it up. Not even once. China and Russia where STATE CAPITALISTS. That's a huge difference.

Gotcha, communism didn't fail because we've decided last time it failed where going to change the name.
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>>678965035
Capitalism fails constantly for the majority of humanity.

USSR failed for a number of reasons.
Mostly internal flaws such as:
Stalin ceased worker-owned business.
He modeled Soviet industry on Capitalist models, instead of worker-owned control.

USSR became an authoritarian bureaucracy.

Lenin said that if the first attempt fails, then we must start anew, but do not build on the ruins of failure.

We need a new start toward the Communist horizon!!
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Enlightened Despotism is where it's at. Peasants would run an economy into the ground trying to provide everything they want. An enlightened king or queen can make the tough choices FOR the populace. I don't know...it's either that or Socialism.
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>>678965329
So the collapse of the entire political and economic system didn't happen?
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>>678965641
just look up what state capitalism is before you say shit like that and look stupid. Or maybe you want us to explain the difference ?
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>>678965799
Plus that whole botched wall
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>>678961549
ITT - a bunch of idealistic retards that know absolutely nothing about socialism or communism in real life. Let me just clarify that I lived through socialism and I've grown up in Poland where martial Law was implemented in order to 'protect' that wonderful socialism. You have no idea what you are talking about and what atrocities communism and socialism brings. You completely ignore the fact that literally millions died because of that ideology and that your dreams about it are just a bunch of wishful thinking crap that are as far from reality as this new age bullshit people believe. Oh and BTW you would be the first to be killed after the revolution.
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>>678965751
Thank for answering my question.

>Lenin said that if the first attempt fails, then we must start anew, but do not build on the ruins of failure.

>We need a new start toward the Communist horizon!!

Said the guy completely ignoring basic human nature and greed.
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>>678961549
socialism works in a perfect world but unfortunatly we live in the real world and people are corrupt and ruin your "perfect system"
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>>678965799
The USSR fell not the ideology
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>>678965873
I'm not a fan of free market, but I agree with you.

The people in this thread are fucking retards.
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>>678965751
Insulting Stalin buddy do you need an icepick?
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>>678964975
Comrade!!!

My heart is warmed by the response of so many brothers and sisters!

Let this thread thrive with Red Flags!
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>>678965976
This guy gets it. Humans are inherently corrupt. If you have something that someone has that is lower on the totem pole than you, they'll kill you if they have to. See: French, Russian, American Revolution.
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>>678965641
>Neat strawman.

Like all /pol/ cretins, you don't understand the first thing about the fallacies you toss around.

>Now answer my question.

Ok.

>Then why did communism fail?
>If its so great, why did it fail?

Communism never failed in practice because it's never existed. If you want to test something in practice, you have to ensure you're observing an instance of that thing. The Soviet Union et. al. were never communist at all; they weren't even socialist. Did the people own the means of production in the USSR or would Stalin have told them to fuck off?

The Soviet Union was a state capitalist nation. Arguably, and at least to Lenin, this was because in post-feudal Russia the proletariat did not yet exist. It was necessary for the state to step in and act as the capitalist to industrialize the nation before the proletariat could exist and lead into socialism. But like all capitalisms, it became corrupt and developed an entrenched ruling class that derailed the hope for eventual socialism.

See, if you just learn facts instead of repeating propaganda, the world starts to make a little more sense.
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>>678965976
But mah human nature and freeze peach
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>>678965873
>Poland
>socialist

Nope.
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>>678965976
But mah human nature and freeze peach.
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>>678965873
Bro, you lived in a dictatorship, not socialism.
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>>678965873
You think you're a fucking economic authorithy because you live in a former ussr part of the world ? As we said it has nothing to do with communism. Using history like it's the only inevitable truth is fucking retarded and you are fucking retarded. Having suffered doesn't make you able to know what you're talking about. I don't give a shit if you think you have to blame the misery you've been going through on communism. You're just like these despicable retards who think we should burn foreigners because they're hurting your country.
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>>678965983
> The USSR fell not the ideology

>Make a system, based on an ideology.
>System fails.
>Ideology is not wrong.

Retards.
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>>678966217
I think you seem to forget it's the leaders that failed, not the party.
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>>678966085
Are you joking your actually making me laugh. I'm not going to rekt you but someone else well
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>>678963838
I really hope you're joking, because I thought people stopped being that retarded.
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>>678965924
Like it's because of metaphysical human nature and greed and oh no no one can ever stand against that. Human nature is also survival of the fittest. Guess what, we still have a justice system even though we'd really really like to be able to kill the weak !
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ITT: Comunists are fucking retards, nazi's are fucking retards.

Both ideologies are a cancer.
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>>678966217
The USSR wasn't socialist. It was state capitalist. If the workers do not have democratic control of society's capital, then it is not socialism.

>b-but it calls itself communist

The DPRK calls itself a democratic republic. Is North Korea a democratic nation just because it calls itself democratic?
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>>678966287
what's the point since system produces the leaders, so it's the system that failed
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>>678966405
How's living in poverty?
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>>678965226
>No guys, really, this brand of Communism has never been tried before
k
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>>678966418
Actually it is the Korean people vote but you wouldn't know that because you watch Western media
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>>678966405
>it's easy to be impartial when you don't know anything
>plus you can pretend that all disagreements are beneath you
>what is argument to moderation fallacy
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>>678966465
Haha fucking fascist
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>>678966287
>>678966418

you guys dont have to answer these stupid fucks, they cant read a whole thread to answer their own question so they should just be treated with mockery.
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Workers control production Kek.

Fuck you commie bastard.
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>>678966572
And you think that makes them democratic because you never look beneath the surface appearance of things. Come join my democracy! I'll give you one policy option and you can vote on which of the one options you prefer! Totally democratic!

>kek this guy is actually defending North Korea
>if only his /pol/ buddies could see him now
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Based on OP, I'm just not sure why you all oppose fascism or national socialism. My underlying assumption would be the marxist idea of non-nationality being opposed by Ratzel, Kjéllan, and Haushofer?
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>>678966714
No, I just read books. Go think yourself smart somewhere else.
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>>678966597
Communists and Nazi's are literally fucking retarded.

How many times do I have to repeat this?
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Ok, so capitalism is dated back to what, 18th century, and socialism to 19th century.

Both systems have their chances. Capitalism wins everytime.

>inb4 state capitalism, stalinism, muh revisionism may mays
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This thread needs MOAR COMMUNISM! Seize the memes of production, comrades!
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>>678966543
sorry i'm not gonna respond to you no more, if you cant expand 5 sec to go on wikipedia please understand im not gonna talk to a 12 year old.
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>>678966774
Yeah if you believing Western lies then yes North Korea is a EVIL DICTATORSHIP but keep this in mind one it's called the DPRK and second there not socialist most support is because there anti imperialism
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>>678966960
>How many times do I have to repeat this?

As many times as you want; I'm happy to continue laughing at your lazy anti-intellectualism.
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>>678965873
Solidarity was an actual workers uprising in the Marxian way!

Marx would have loved it!

Iron curtain mouthed marxist rhetoric, but was not a Socialist state.
Western post-war nations utilised socialism, and still do.

Do not forget the many millions of people who have died under capitalism.
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Death is a preferable alternative to communism.
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There's no reasoning with you commies... you're all fucking delusional
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>>678966899
yeah, and i guess that comes with the territory ;)
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>>678963652
Let me begin by saying I like the idea of communism. However, that is all.

It is true that capitalism doesn't work. But neither does Communism. You may argue that true Communism has never been implemented; this is true, because its impossible to attain the commie ideal. The old argument argument none the less true: the depraved nature of humanity does not allow for a communal system. Someone will always fuck it up.

That is why capitalism is effectively implemented and maintained. It uses back human instincts and desires as core functions. I hope you aren't offended by this, but I would say that if you are unable to get ahead in a current capitalist system, its your fault. I myself come from a poor and troubled background and made my way on my own power. Am I rich? No. Do I need to be? No. I live simply on principle, and am comfortable with room. The issue with living is consumerism has raised foolish standards for living that we now view as neccesity. Capitalism isn't the real issue. Consumerism is.

It's consumerism which corrupts.
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>>678967108
>Western post-war nations utilised socialism, and still do.

Whoa, careful there comrade. Social democracy is capitalism + concessions; it's not socialism. Western Europe is certainly not socialist, and never will be as long as private ownership of capital exists.
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>>678966543
Yes it has. Oneida NY.

Miserable failure.

Eat a dick commie fag.
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>>678967057
It's not lazy or anti-intellectualist.

It's true.

Both ideologies failed repeatedly in less than a 100 years.
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>>678967158
Call us delusional yet you support capitalism a system that murders and steals for profit
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>>678967158
>implying you know how to reason
>I screamed "muh human nature" at him 12 times
>he still doesn't get that my unconsidered worldview is right by definition
>this guy doesn't know how to reason
>mfw
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>>678967108
Do not forget the 50 million under stalin another under Lenin 60 million under Mao 3-6 million from polpot several more million in north Korea. Name one commie government that recognizes human rights and is stable.
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>>678967309
>Both ideologies failed repeatedly in less than a 100 years.
>communism
>existed
>failed

Wow, you can't even read a fucking thread, much less a book. Way to be a cold war robot, dummy.
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Communism:

>German revolution - fail
>1905 - fail
>Russian revolution - fail
>Chinese revolution - fail
>Cuba - fail
>Korea- fail
>Vietnam - fail

They got the nerve to ask for more """""""experiments"""""""
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>>678967055
North Korea is an hereditary aristocracy.
The horrible Kim family rule as a tsar would.
Last remnant of Stalinist oppression and personality cult.

They a stain on the face of World Socialism.
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>>678961549

We can feed multiple countries for the price of 1 military plane anon. We know the world is fucked, it's not how it works anymore were to deep there is no "revolution" that can happen to change people's minds because people with power simply don't care. Man considers himself God now. There's not much left but to hope God looks down on us with forgiving hearts
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>>678967247
>You may argue that true Communism has never been implemented; this is true, because its impossible to attain the commie ideal.

Can you at least begin by explaining what you think "the commie ideal" is?
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>>678961549
>butthurt college eurocuck baiter detected
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>>678966216
Are people really that retarded ?
>You think you're a fucking economic authorithy because you live in a former ussr part of the world ?
No, I just am able to observe how you ideology faile every fucking time it was implemented and was responsible for millions of deaths.
> As we said it has nothing to do with communism.
Yes it has everything to do with communism. You just ignore sociological consequences of that ideology even though it already has been tried.
>Using history like it's the only inevitable truth is fucking retarded and you are fucking retarded.
Yeah, because ignoring lessons taken from history is fucking genius. Good for you retard.
>Having suffered doesn't make you able to know what you're talking about.
I'm not talking about suffering I'm talking about things you don't even realize because your stupid fucking mind only think about 'lala land' and ignores every negative aspect of this ideology that lead to a failure and atrocities.
>I don't give a shit if you think you have to blame the misery you've been going through on communism.
And I don't give a damn what you think about me.
>You're just like these despicable retards who think we should burn foreigners because they're hurting your country.
Now you are just shit posting things from your imagination...oh wait you've been doing it this entire time.
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>>678967410
Say if that wasn't bullshit it's still a lot less compared to capitalism may I remind you of British India colonised Africa or south east Asia and you have over 100 mill easily and pol pot did say he was a Maoist after Mao died why didn't he say it so Mao could hear was it because Mao would have told hes a fitlty capitalist?
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>>678961549
Thank you OP, that needed to be said.
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>>678967249
Comrade, I agree, it certainly is not Socialism.
But elements of it have been utilized sucessfully.
I was making a point to one of our naysayers.

But definitely not a Socialist state.
Sweden came really close, though.
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>>678967653
You didn't live in a communist nation. You lived in an authoritarian nation whose economic substructure was state capitalist. Was there social ownership of capital? Did you work with everyone else to decide how your place of work would run? Or were there state officials taking on the role of private capitalists? Was it - in fact - the same as what we consider ordinary capitalism except with the State taking the place of the capitalist class?
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>>678967247
Finally a worthy of debate opposition.
As much as i like your answer it is based on the assumption i will buy you philosophical wanking on human nature. You think the difference lies in wether the system is in opposition or not with human nature, when it's just really about how easy it is to be implemented. Capitalism is just the continuation of survival of the fittest; thus it reauires no effort for it to be put in place. Communism requires a lot more: coordination, powers and counter powers, intelligent handling of the economy. Of course it's harder than just going for the profit by any means working. But it doesnt mean it's impossible, not at all. The first example that comes to mind is the forming of states. We succeeded in doing that, and who knows if in feudal europe anyone would have believed it would be possible for such large entities to exist. Well this is the same here: we need to enlarge the scale of organisation, we need to put down a larger system of regulation, powers and counter powers, a working democracy. Don't think we're at a point in history where we tried it all: we havent even begun.
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>>678967602
And by God I mean actual God not the men pretending to be him
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>>678968046
>>678967247

Oh and consumerism is the direct product of capitalism. They re in the same class of equivalence.
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>>678967108
No my friend. I would love to believe in that, but as it turned out, the Solidarity was at first real movement but has been overtaken by our military intelligence in order to implement Lech Walesa (which as it turned out in last year) as their agent. They knew that socialism is falling down economically so they've decided to take control by implementing false revolution. For the next 25 years they took control as a financial elite.
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>>678967612
Of course.

The communist ideal is a state which is free from oppression, both beurocratic and economic. This is often done in theory through economic control by the people; he who control production and wealth control the nation. This is basic economic.

This is often done by making methods of production the property of the state, the state in turn property of the people, therefore all modes of production and revenue atre owned by the people who work. In this way, everyone is expected to equally contribute (what is an issue in itself because difference labor) and so equally contributing, be equally rewarded and compensated.

It is a method which attempts to even out the playing field to ensure everyone recieves fair share and rights.

I hope this is satisfactory.
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There are ideas that are features of a socialist state, like universal healthcare, that can exist in a capitalist system with an interventionist state. But implementing these ideas in a capitalist nation will never make it even a bit socialist.

I agree that we, as socialists, want these things for the people. But we must be careful - concessions can dissipate the revolutionary spirit of the proletariat. It was the New Deal, after all, that saved American capitalism from socialist revolution in the 1930s. Social democratic solutions do not fix capitalism; they create a new cycle of concessions and crisis. We must be careful not to become stuck in that trap.
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>>678965751
Top kek, you Socialists are just the bee's knees when it comes to comedy.

Communism and Socialism are both ridiculous ideologies. Socialist programs have been being implemented in America for decades and all anyone is doing is complaining, still. It does us no good to implement more government control than we already have. And let us not forget, there's plenty of Socialist "utopias" any one of you fellas can up and move to! Isn't that something?

The Capitalist system in America is entirely fucked, that's obvious to anyone with an IQ of about 95 and up. And that's because of taxation, valueless currency, and government intrusion of the "free market".

Anarchism is the answer, my friends.
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>>678966960
I think you mean figuratively.
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>>678968201
Commenter here. One thing I di admire about Communism is the sense of unity it attempts to provide.

We need unity now more than ever. By not unity based equality, but through strength in diversity.

For example. Although I am short, I know a tall man who can help me pick fruit from a tree. Because he helps me, I am glad to help him. In this way, we are strengthened by our numbers and individual powers.
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>>678968204

"The new deal"
Oh fuck you've gone off the deep end this time.
War...Big War... Got America moving again. We just can't have big war anymore because
> nukes
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>>678967410
Prove your figures.
50 million dead under Stalin?
Are you including WWII deaths?
Stalin was a mass murderer, especially in the Ukraine and the purges.

Lenin was fighting a civil war against the whites and the Allied expeditionary forces.
Countless dead.
Crippled the economy, deaths reduced workers numbers to crisis level.

Who defeated pol pot/Khmer rouge?

The Vietnamese Army.
A communist army.
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>>678968345
Anarchism? Oh god its a ancrap
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>>678968201
>This is often done by making methods of production the property of the state, the state in turn property of the people

No, this is not necessarily a feature of socialism. Certainly modern socialists do not consider this a desirable feature; it becomes too simple to create a government ruling class.

First of all, what you are describing is not communism (a communist society has no state). It is roughly socialism; the central idea is that the people are emancipated from all ruling classes when we democratize the economic substructure of society. No private ownership of capital, no way for a ruling class to form - the people are finally free and society's productive efforts can finally be used to provide for the material needs of all.
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>>678967952
i guess it would be nice to have been born in a socialistic nation with a family that has some authority or power. I would never starve, and might have a future. maybe i would even have a surprise arranged marriage. maybe i would have the job or position i didnt dream of getting.
odds of having that are high right?
im convinced anon, socialism doesnt have poor people lets make america socialist.
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>>678967952
So tell me genius, what will you do with the people that will oppose the revolution will defend their right to private ownership ?
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Gas yourself
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>>678968620
Roll my eyes and laugh that they still don't understand the difference between private property and personal possessions. No, you won't be able to own a factory or build fences around hundreds of acres of farmland. But nobody's coming after your Magic card collection, silly. You probably don't own a single bit of private property at all.
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>>678968620
not the one you answered to, but let me say if that's your real concern, your not an ideologist, you're just a pussy sobbing over necessary violence.
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>>678961549
deport yourself to siberia subhuman scum
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>>678967834
All modern commies are capitalist in some way real communism as described in the communist manifesto requires the abolishment of social class and all forms of government. Its stupid I'm far more happy in a stable nation yea we kill foreigners but idgaf bout them aleast they don't kill us. Still name one "communist" government that respects human rights and is stable? Would you really want re education camps and concentration camp that commies always have. I don't think you guy see through your delusion it ain't gonna happen in the US ever. Go to china or north Korea if you hate capitalism don't impose your will on other who don't want it. Don't like it here move!
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another commenter; I'll just wait until workers rise for the change, not some hipsters.
back in 1917, during the revolution, bolsheviks looked at the hands of people to see if they're a true worker or not.
work at a factory first then speak about revolution. or you're just another petit-bourgeois trying to sound different
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>>678967612
It's the abolishment of social class and government.
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>>678968750
You didn't answer my question. What will you do with the people with private ownership that will oppose you ?
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>>678968204
I again agree with you.
It becomes a vicious circle.
There is no fix for capitalism.

I would LOVE a Jacobin revolution!

Vive la Commune!
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>>678968793
marx was a bourgeois, you jelly ? because of the actual system workers dont have much time to become enlightened economists and ideologists. Stop being racist.
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>>678968532
An* ancrap.

Well, refute me here. What makes you think that implementing a "different" type of centralized governing body will make a positive change? We in the U.S. have been shifting farther and farther left and have seen nothing but the same problems in some aspects, and more problems in others.

How can you preach about having a free and equal population when the whole idea of both of these ideologies are antithetical to freedom and equality? Sure, the peons of the general population may be "equal", as you fellows claim, but where does that leave your masters in the governing body? Do you think Kim Jong lives the same way as the rest of the population in Korea? Did Stalin? Did Mao? Will Bernie? Use your brains guys, this is just madness.
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>>678968533
Perhaps you are right. I only describe what I have known as Communism. At the least Socialism is stepping stone to Communism they say.

I think perhaps true communismnmay be achievable in the future with help of automation. If we are able to fully remove the human element, maybe we can have stable communism and peaceful society.

I would be happy as long as everyone is peaceful and healthy. It seems to me Communism is a good way to do this, but it can not be done because people are evil.

Maybe someday we will figure it out. By I think any communism that comes too soon will only hurt.
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>>678968890
What, you're going to attack revolutionaries with weapons? We'd probably kill you in self-defense and then feel bad that you were too stupid to undo your capitalist social programming.
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>>678968775
No I'm proving that this whole la la land you are wishing to have is completely idiotic in real life. In real life you would have to deal with conflicts and that would lead to results you see in every fucking country that tried socialism or communism.
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The only thing that is going to happen is islam buttfucking you all till you die you retards. Nationalists will fail because governments are against them and muslims wont love your communist utopia so they will establish their sharia shit. ALLAHU AKBAR!
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>>678961549
Paragraphs motherfucker. toounformatted;dr
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Suck it ima a commie thats a Trump supporter enjoy Hiliray starting another proxy war
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lets put it this way. If it's a classroom full countries, America was once the big bad star athlete everyone admired, we were once even the outcast hoping to make a name for ourself, even once branded the teachers pet snitch, right now, we're the school shooter that's not really a school shooter. were not reckless, we don't make impulsive moves that lead to fucked up situations, we don't actually care about shooting because everyone's already scared of us, the thing is spit balls and pranks are small time for a school shooter, what's a big bad gunman without his guns?
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>>678968932
Bientot mon frere, bientot !
Le peuple se reveille, d'ici 1 an la revolution sera la !
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>>678961549
>i cant believe the political spectrum is actually so far to the right on this board
Really, you're this surprised?

You might as well just go back to weddit if that's the case
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>>678968932
Hear hear, comrade! Long live the people's revolution! Freedom, equality, and universal brotherhood for all humankind!
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>>678968184
It saddens me to hear that, panje.
I was so impressed as a teen in high school by Solidarity.

Where is a news story so I may read this about Walesa?
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>>678968987
...and this leads to dictatorship you've just mentioned and that what has happened in every fucking country with communism / socialism. Everyone opposing the revolution would sooner or later be 'neutralized' because they would be enemy of the revolution and you would of course kill them in a 'self-defense'.
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>>678969015
so you think pol pot killed those actively defending capitalism ? I take back what i said you're just stupid. revolution is revolution, there will be bloodshed. But after that, either it's a dictatorship = NOT COMMUNISM, either it is communism = NOT DICTATORSHIP. and when its not dictatorship there is no mass murder.
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I'm from Poland too and this guys is BS. The whole country is now basically a shithole with two biggest parties being right-wing and the whole opposition being far, far right. We never had socialism, only a massive exploit by the USSR but they believe that somehow 'red is bad'. Worst part that the whole young generation is radically fascist, hating imigrants, hating homosexuals, demanding harder punishments and now they want to ban abortion in EVERY aspect. Even if the women is raped, even if the kid will die 1 minute after birth, even if you have cancer and need chemo you just cant because we are the great catholic Poland. We are looking at 30 years of this bullshit now, because conservatism only gets more radical with age... uhh
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>>678968982
Certainly socialists are in favor of automation and technological advances that ease the burden of labor - note that the antagonism between labor and technology that was insurmountable in capitalism is completely eliminated by socialism. Automation and capitalization itself is a necessary precondition for socialism. But while we say "it will come later" the majority of the world suffers. When you fear to live though the revolution, you pass this suffering on to your children. It is time to take charge of our world, be better, and end the horror of ruling classes once and for all. It is time to achieve worldwide socialism and freedom for all.
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>>678969077

Welcome to your right wing future. You'll never own anything, your corporate rentiers will just rent it to you and you'll never own anything. And when they pull the plug, tough shit. Pay them again.

What a wonderful future you're giving them as they take away everything. You deserve that.
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>>678968945
and by that thought, that's how you become an authoritarian. tell other people what's right and what's wrong. enlightened economists and ideologists shouldn't need more pay and need to work in a factory as well.
are you ready?
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>>678961549
Heil fuckin hitler my son
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>>678968184
dude my dad voted for Lech Walensa he regrets it to this day..My pops was a party member not a commie but a opportunist..he is 67 years old and working manual labor in Murica..
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>>678969070
My apologies, mon ami, my French is not good, but I understand.
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>>678968987
Oh but aren't you against oppression? Aren't you for equal opportunity? If your ideology promotes freedom then that wouldn't be necessary.

The beauty of Anarchism is that due to the fact that there would be no centralized government, smaller tribes of like minded individuals could set up their own communes and live as they wish. Communists, Socialists, Capitalists, all free to do as they please where they are.

The fact you want to force your ideals and ways of life onto others in such a way makes you no better, or different than an authoritative state.
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>>678969257
Uh, if you're shooting at revolutionaries and civilians because you're a crazy libertarian reactionary and want to bring back capitalism, then we're not going to stand around and absorb bullets. You don't get to play counter-revolutionary and shoot guns at people with impunity; the revolution will protect the people from you.
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>>678969472
IF YOU SHOOT A GUN AT SOMEONE AND THEY SHOOT YOU BACK IN SELF-DEFENSE, YOU'RE NOT BEING OPPRESSED - YOU'RE JUST AN ASSHOLE.
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>>678969115
What you really should read is the things about Kiszczak - he was the master of puppets in this. I don't really think there are any English books about it the lefties does not want it to spread outside of Poland. You can google translate some of the things in Polish for example: https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/SB_a_Lech_Wa%C5%82%C4%99sa
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https://robertbrzoza.pl/lech-walesa-upadla-gwiazda/
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>succesful anon is succesful
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Everyones hands are clean because others are doing the work for them. America. Then the dirty hands we have available for president are national threats to the progression and safety of America.
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>>678969581

Ehhh a little more then an asshole lol
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>>678969077
Comrade!!!!

Ignore that fascist reject.

How do we sustain this?
Comrades!!! Shall we meet here at a certain time or should we establish contact somehow?
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>>678969615
Why is it hard to believe that theres Communist on 4chan and maybe there tired of the anti semitism and islamaphobia and pure racism
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>>678969382
uh, no. I don't think you get the point. We're not crazy 'put everyone in factories' afficionados. We just want wages to be determined in a shorter range and private ownership of means of production to be illegal, for a start. You may work you ass off at the factory but i didnt learn about dominated convergence and navier stokes to be doing the same shit.
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>>678969581
Well, if you threaten another man's way of life and he defends it, then it is you who ultimately is the oppressor. "The greater good" doesn't apply, and is not a valid or moral excuse here.
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>>678965761
>Implying a dictator will always work for the benefit of the nation.
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>>678961549
commies just pissed off because capitalism works well enough to keep the working class comfortable which is more than their degenerate system ever accomplished.

You have to work to live. Keeping people as pets does no one any good.
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oh maaaaan this is why I really don't wanna quit Sociology this is making me so sad about it.

Apathy is the biggest fucking problem.
You wanna know about true capitalism? talk to me about Mexico
You wanna know about true comunism? talk to me about Venezuela
You wanna know about anything else? I STW MOTHERFUCKING AMERICA LATINA HAS A SPECIFIC COUNTRY FOR ANY ECONOMY SYSTEM AND THEY ALL SUCK ON IT
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>>678969999
Fuckin quads wasted on pure Autism
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>>678969262
People will always have different opinions and will try different ideologies. The problem was that every time someone would plainly showed that communism or socialism as a social construct have fundamental flaws the revolution would imprison them or kill them because you can't do it otherwise. You can't implement communism or socialism only partially so that would lead to conflicts and then in a straight line to dictatorship like structure.
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I don't know much about politics and I don't really get involved, but I do know that everything is declining, and I'm getting worried. Every job is an assembly line robotic nightmare and you can only get ahead by tearing someone down. I think it's because business owners see people as a commodity, and not as equals. I don't know what the answer is though, I can't figure it out
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>>678969753
>should we establish contact somehow

Build reading and activist groups only with people that you know and trust. Educate people about socialism whenever possible. Build a larger movement with other groups. Learn what social changes the people want, interpret them within a socialist framework, and then fight for these changes. When the people have fought for enough changes within capitalism, they will begin to understand socialism and become ready for true revolutionary change. Be the spearhead of socialism, comrade!
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Don't even want to argue just say thanks to all my comrades for proving to me that some of you are good people, cheers!
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>>678961549
so says a communist, an advocate of a system that already spectacularly failed a quarter of a century ago.
>/thread
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>>678969855
The world will change. People will learn to work together productively. If you peacefully refuse to be a part of the new and better world, we'll be happy to drop you in the middle of a caveman reservation until you learn the benefits of having a social contract with other people.
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>>678969807
because thats retarded, and often used as bait to make people on 4chan hate liberals.
such is your comment, anon
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>>678969988
the working class is all but comfortable. The only thnig that makes people from the working class survive is the social benefits wich is bestowed by the only part of society that strays away from capitalism: social state.
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>>678970134
Comrade the revolution has begun no stopping until 4chan is seized
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>>678969324
Agreed, friend. Russia under Putin is similar.
You certainly have shined a light on the bitter fruit of shock therapy capitalism introduced after the Soviet implosion.

East Europe is swirling down into a suck hole very fast.

Keep heart, b/rother.
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>>678969649

Bernie is morally the right choice, not a doubt in my mind.(I think they should re so the election if I had it my way tho)
Donald is the choice you make if America is to go to war with other nations in the near future (which I seem highly likely...not just carpet bombs and drones, I mean like North Korea gets impulsive and bombs south and we are back to good old fashioned man troops) Hilary is the way to Go if you want to successfully leave us weak as a world diplomat and negotiator, she has no spine and will say and do whatever it is to get people to like her it has her own agenda already planned out and will cause so much tension once she has a little power. It's all choice /b/ personally. I could see trump being assasinated, Hilary lasting only 4 years, and if by some grace of God Bernie can increase our economic status while giving away shit (like I said he'll need gods personal help) he could make a run at 8, theyll all E 4 and done
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>>678969821
no dude, if your economist or ideologist work requires 2 hours of work each day, you're supposed to fill the rest with another activity. lenin advocated an intellectual or state official's salary shouldn't exceed a workers' one, for the start.
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>>678970206
I'm no libdog
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free market capitalism is like being a slave tbh
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>>678969324
Yeah, let's completely ignore the fact that whole country was a big tit for everyone that was in a ruling party before. The fact that more than 80% of our media is German. That our factories are almost non existent and that our country 'only exist theoretically' as our former foreign affairs minister have said in his private conversation.
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>>678970103
nope, you're still confusing it with dictatorship.
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>>678970393
And socialism is the emancipation of the working classes from their capitalist masters.
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>>678969436
Many Polish people feel the same i'm afraid.
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>>678961549
TLDR
>OP makes a clear and concise argument thoroughly proving beyond a shred of doubt that he is absolutely a faggot
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>>678969490
You ignore the fact that it was the same in the past. That was the rhetoric in China / USSR etc. You ignore the fact that there will be reaction of people that does not share your ideology. What then ? Of course - gulags or bullet to the head.
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>>678970377
> reading comprehension
implying i called you one
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>>678970203
May this become true, mi amigo, may this become true
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>>678970340
sorry but that's stupid. If you're a doctor and your heart operation lasts only 2 hours after what youre mentally exhausted for being in the most stressful momement ever you're not gonna work the rest at the factory.
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>>678970109
Comrade!!
Many thanks for your input.
May we all meet again, soon.

Long live the Bolshevik Revolution!

Must sign off for now, friends.
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>>678970471
But wouldn't the working class be told how much to work and how much a product is vauled? Seems like your breaking off one chain just to put another one on
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>>678969581
So if you are living in Detroit and there is no police around and some guy just came to take what's yours and you'll defend he has the right to shoot you ? Is that what you say ?
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>>678970755
Thanks for the thread, comrade. Keep fighting the good fight!
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>>678970313
increasing tax pressure on the rich and lowering the military budget will make bernie able to give away whatever he fucking wants.
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>>678970775

Yup and I would leave it on my family to avenge me. Simple as that
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>>678970937

Military budget isn't getting cut. Period.
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>>678971017
You are truly retarded. Lets just finish here.
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There's only one way to celebrate a successful communist thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U06jlgpMtQs
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>>678970937

Tax pressure on the rich, "we're gonna make them come clean" don't give yourself a heart attack you old woman
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>>678970109
I know people hate Reddit but /r/commieclub or /r/fullcommunism that may be a way to get more comrades into the struggle
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>>678971206

I've had people come to my house and take what's mine? Cops were around...I much rather would have shot him or stabbed him?
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>>678970937
> increasing tax pressure on the rich
good one anon.
create powerful enemies, that influenced ridiculous tax breaks for rich in the first place, rather than allow as usable excuse for democrates to force feed socialism to the people.
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i am not the only socialist/commie on /b/ yaaaay
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>>678971330
I know it feels amazing to know where not alone
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>>678971267
Never tried commieclub - looks like it needs an invite. Is it a pretty good sub for meeting other socialists?
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>>678971267
(bunker+get+8(leftypol))chan
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>>678970471
arabic version :DDD
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>>678971399
Yeah but they have beef with me because I defended MRN and I'm openly a maoist third worldist but I recommend creating a post about this on Reddit so they know the revolution on 4chan is happing
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>>678961549
Racism isn't a political view retard
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>>678970751
you don't think communists are stupid? of course you'll rest and it's a full time job anyway, so you'll probably do another heart surgery after the rest, it benefits society more. the point is, working hours are same for everyone, unless accumulated wealth allows for everone to do less work.
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Most people here don't live in the real world, all I'm telling you is it doesn't matter who wins, the outlook looks hella fucked. Gods disipointed in a lot of people I think he's starting to care less
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Just start WW3 already
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>third worldist
Comrade ben barka approves
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>>678961549
I'm waiting to kill you, I know how to, I have no problem killing liberals. You are less than nothing.

You pussies know nothing about war, know how to fight, or have the willpower to overcome anything, which is why you rely on others to provide for you.

Listen mother fucker, as soon as the government that protects you faggot loving niggers falls due to its weak liberal policies I and hinders of thousands of war veterans will come out if the woodwork and kill every man, woman, and child of the black, gay, and liberal community.

We will erase you fuckers from history.

> pict related, it's you. Fuck off carl
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Nuke North Korea, everyone again in aw of USA
> deal with it meme
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>>678971753
K den paper tiger
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>>678971753
>Listen mother fucker, as soon as the government that protects you faggot loving niggers falls due to its weak liberal policies I and hinders of thousands of war veterans will come out if the woodwork and kill every man, woman, and child of the black, gay, and liberal community.

So, just checking with the reactionary capitalists of this thread, when revolutionaries shoot this maniac on a killing spree, that's going to be OMG SO OPPRESSIVE?
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>>678961549
All left wing arguments - 'WAAHHH THE WORLD OWES ME MORE FREE STUFF SIMPLY FOR EXISTING'.
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MODS GIB US AN LEFTYPOL BOARD PL0X
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We're not alone guys. We never were. We struggled a long time, having to face the ignorance and stupidity of those who were brainwashed by the capitalist ideology. But now, we're finally going to see the light. Bernie Sanders has already proven the youth is with us. Everywhere in Europe, protestations rise, demanding socialism, demanding the end of this privare ownership of production nonsense. They are young enough, have a large enough vision to not be traumatized by history and yet they now how not to repeat it. We will win. Because we are united, we are strong, and we are the future.
Long live socialism.
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>>678972011
THIS

We /commie/ when?
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>>678972011
Commie board you ment
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>>678971753

So am I a nigger who likes gay guys? Or you're calling me a faggot who loves gay guys?

I approve of both if that's what you're saying, but i don't approve of BernieSanders economic policies at all, I approve of nuking North Korea tomorrow. And I hate fucking racists, but if you must come for me, atleast know I'm ready for the end of the world tomorrow, my the devil lube up before he enters your ass hole after I send you to the other side
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>>678971923
WHITE POWER! WHITE POWER! WHITE POWER! WHITE POWER! WHITE POWER! WHITE POWER! WHITE POWER! WHITE POWER!

KILL ALL THE LIBERALS!

WHITE POWER! WHITE POWER! WHITE POWER! WHITE POWER! WHITE POWER! WHITE POWER!
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>>678972011
Will there be strict rules against bourgeois liberalism?
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>>678972141
10 YEAR OLD POWER*
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>>678972141
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>>678972141
Capitalist, unmasked
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>>678972242
Your time is running out in this country you liberal traitor.

You know it, I know it.

You had better leave and take your faggot friends with you before we come after you.
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>>678961549
>i'm not interested in talking to the lowest iqs people in modern nations history (we should just burn all of yall youre such a threat to the species' survival

Don't throw stone if you live in a glass house.
Just from the way you write and your grammar I can tell your an illiterate nigger.
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>>678972414
You think we can't see through you. You think we don't know how much of a coward you are, reactionary paper tiger. Go ahead and turn violent. See what happens to you and your small number of skinhead friends.
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>>678972501
>>678972414
Trump fans
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>>678972141
>WHITE POWER!
>KILL ALL THE LIBERALS!
dumbass.
you mean kill all niggers
but hey, thats not a bad idea either
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>>678972414
>assuming that everyone on /b/ is from your shitty country faggot
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>>678971753
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1tNmIHIIzM
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>>678961549
Shut up u fag
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>>678972501
English is just not my main language. Nice display of stupidity by the way.
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>>678961549
>(we should just burn all of yall youre such a threat to the species' survival).

Wanting to exterminate everyone that disagrees with you because they are fucking disgusting and stand in the way of your utopia. Yep, par for the course for every communist ever. But go on, tell me about how smart you are and how you have all our best interests at heart.
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>>678973024
Nobody's interested in your illiterate ramblings. Especially when they're the same illiterate ramblings we get to hear every time a 'Murican hears the word "socialism".
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>>678972709
> living in america
> guaranteed the thought crossed your mind
> why would you visit /b/ and try to convince anons to change america
you are a huge faggot, and deserve your homeland. its already created waves of butthurt when the world figured out the whole "wall" and limit immigration idea was actually serious
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>>678972867
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>>678971753
Completely off topic (different anon here) what is that picture used for?
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>>678972887
Ignorance and stupidity aren't the same thing faggot.
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>>678972599
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>>678973420
Great. Shoot yourself in the head with it and you'll have done your part in making the world a better place.
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>>678973420
Ar15? you know they won't let you on a plane with one of those
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>>678973218
Alright, I'll bite.

Communist ideologies are completely flawed, because it only supports profligate behavior. We don't need that, considering that there's a bunch of useless niggers up in the northeastern side of this country already. They completely rely on those welfare checks that they wait for every month, for example.
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>>678973420
panther?
friend of mine bought one. does good at the range for what he payed
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>>678973792
see
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>>678973211
who is talking about america ?? idc about america and it's "freedome"
>CPUSA
and i am not european and in my nation we are not nazis cuz LOL LOL xdddd XDXDXD uniforms xDDDD LOOK I EM A NAZI I EM A SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE XD LOL I AM NOT LIEK U Xdd
Fuck you Faggot
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>>678973792

Welfare numbers aren't the high. Try again
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>>678973792
This country what country are you talking about?
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>mfw people were literally dying to get the fuck out of eastern Europe and the Soviet Union, for just the chance of living in the capitalistic west. Crossing walls with machine guns, attack dogs, and barbed wire connected to explosive mines. You are probably all too young to remember this shit.
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All those americans and english "communist"...

Do you ever organize, comrades? You can't be a real communist without a Communist Party.
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>>678973882
If the Bernster wins, they'll be through the roof
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To my comrades: i'm leaving, if this gets pruned please let the fight go on by making a new thread
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>>678973947
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