Fuck you

>>678712445
What

>>678712531
Kill yourself

>>678712445
>>678712625
nah guy fuck you and go kill yourself. better yet go give breivik a visit, I bet he will do the job.

>>678712625
I am literally having a completely non-biased stance in this question, just wanted to hear what people had to say. Is that wrong in your opinion? Lol, I take it you're a leftie

Wait, wasn't he the white power guy who killed around 87 WHITE people? Guys a fucking moron.

>>678713122
87 lefties. And many of the victims were immigrants

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>>678712119

He's just suh behring.

He did nothing wrong

>>678713973
Why?

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I admire his breivery

>>678713008
5 years ago i got the news about the shootings on Utøya. Knowing my little sister was there, i had the worst night of my life. I kept calling everyone i knew was there, waiting to hear good news, any news about her. Once i finally got to speak with someone, i asked them to search among the survivors, if she was there. She wasn't. I just wanna forget. I've thought about it every day, about her, and it hurts. Even seeing this monsters face hurts. So yeah, fuck you and your shit

I think he's a wanker

>>678715095
And you still clicked on the thread to say "fuck you" just because I'm curious why people like him/hate him. I've never said I support him lol

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>>678715095
well i guess you should've told your little sister not to be a leftie then

>>678715374
Well hopefully you know why i hate him now. And why i hate you. Go fuck yourself

>>678715736
No, I still have no clue why you hate me, since I'm only here to hear peoples opinions. It doesn't in any way reflect on my own views and opinions, so you have no reason to hate me you norwegian shitstain

>>678715736
Just kill youself already you fucking bitch

>>678715736
You're literally impossible to talk to lmfao

>>678712119
Middle aged man who lived with his mother and needed weapons to take down kids.

Who would possibly be so retarded they would want to champion such a fucking loser?

>>678716269
Well if he didn't have any weapons, then he wouldn't have been able to kill those kids, you realize that right? Noone can fuckin chase down 87 kills and strangle them all

>>678715736
I don't believe for a second that your sister died there you lying cunt

>>678716435
He's a miserable fucking waste of blood and organs.

He wouldn't have been able to take down 1 kid withoutthe weapons.

>>678716084
Shut the fuck up, you autistic little shit.
>>678715962
It's for suggesting this monster can be anything else than a monster ever. And for showing his ugly face

I refuse to bump this thread anymore.
You faggots go kill yourself. I'm done

>>678716715
I know some people think he isn't a monster, so I wanted to hear their reasoning aswell. Is that fucked? lol

>>678716515
I don't give a shit what you think

>>67871509
My cousin survived utøya. Sorry man

>>678716942
I thought you said you were gonna stop bumping this thread

>>678712119
Who is he?

>>678716992
did he miss?

>>678717078
Anders Behring Breivik, went on to the Norwegian island Utöya and killed 87 leftist teenagers

>>678716715
Do you like penis in your mouth? Why or why not? Explain.

>>678717078
Its either Woodrow Wilson, or the guy he names in OP.

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>>678715095
>>678715736
>>678716715

Europeans always become nationalists, couldn't give a fuck what happens to those pride filled morons, they are all the same, europeans molest children, accept immigrants, love "multi culturalism" and much much more. Good thing that those european pieces of shit died, fuck everyone from europe

>>678717624
lmfao

Breivik did nothing wrong

cuck fags deserved everything they got

Breivik is my motherfucking man. A shame he didn't reach 100

>>678712119
I think terrorists are getting better looking for starters. He blow up my government building any day ;)

And, he got 20 years for killing 77 people. That'll fly by! He'll be out before you know it.

>>678717955
He's already done 1/4th of his time LOL

And now he also a nazi. How good can one guy get

>>678717955
>he could blow up my government building any day
fucking top kek this is gold

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>>678718167
holy shit its already been five years

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>>678717624

>>678718167
No, they will review him with a panel of judges once his time is up, and can give him another 21 years, he will never get out of prison

>>678718538
aww damn it

He is innocent. It was selfdefence

>>678718464
No trust me most europeans are nationalist, socialist, and racist (not expantionalist however). They are nazis. europeans are nazis, there, i said the truth

>>678719083
Nazis? you say it like its a bad thing

>>678719042
On the flipside, this process can only be repeated 5 times. He can only get 84 more years after he serves this 21

>>678719051
KEK

>>678718538
If he gets released on to the streets, he'll be killed asap.

>>678719083
Since when is being a nazi bad? fucking murica

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>>678718167
Tbh, what i dislike most is his complaining. He gets to do 20 years in a wing all of his own, he gets 3 meals a day and spends his time playing video games. He's basically living the life of a NEET for free, and all he does is complain. I had to move out of my parents house and get a job. It's lucky for some.

>>678719325
Then he'll be a martyr aswell.

>>678719239
The only thing wrong with it is the racist, nationalist, expansionalist part, those are all bs. but I like the socialism, we can all keep that

>>678715095
Kondolerer.

>>678719442
how is being racist and nationalist bad when the european countries are being overrun by immigrants?

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>>678719083
Patriotism is wrong y'all.

>>678712119
I'm voting for Bernie Sanders and in all honesty, I don't think I could care any less than I do at this moment about Anders.

>>678715095
Don't feel so bad about it, she probably had the time of her life

>>678719448
Tumblerina.

>>678719768
I wonder what the last thing that went through her head was... you know, other than a bullet

>>678715095
[triggering intensifies]

>>678712119
He's the best striker

>>678719622
Immigrants have inherently nothing wrong with them. If they are supported, and if they eventually assimilate to culture, they are just like regular european nationals. Islamic extremists are easy to spot, they are the ones who ought to be deported. Regular syrian women and children and men? no, they like european culture and are going there for a reason.

>>678713483
this

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>>678715095
>>678719448

>>678715095
At least Breivik made sure her trip was memorable

>>678719879
love how you wrote it wrong, dipshit

No because he killed a bunch of innocent people for his twisted fantasy

>>678717624
Are you grumpy because you live in the slums of Rio and want to be part of a superior society

i hope he chokes on his own vomit, nearly dies, survives that, gets struck by lightning, survives that, then gets hit by a car, dying after weeks of agony as his internal organs slowly bleed out.

>>678720164
>they like european culture and are going there for a reason.

Please tell me you're joking.

He's the hero we deserve, but not the one we need right now.

>>678712119
er du norsk eller?

>>678720380
kek im american

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>>678720513
nope, svensk

>>678720575
being part of a superior society still fits

>>678720463
They will learn the way of the eurotrash soon, and become them.

>>678720575
And that's better because?

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Based Breivik

>>678720679
Do you seriously think they go to europe because they "like the culture"? Thats the most retarded thing ive ever heard

>>678720646
Sanders is going to be president, socialism will be implemented soon. I have no regrets about being an american except for I have a lot of regrets

>>678720314
Did I trigger you?

>>678712119
I like him because he has a great smile.

>>678720833
>Sanders is going to be president

>>678720679
No they force their own culture upon where they live and if people don't submit they're "racist"

>>678720790
I'm not saying that that's the sole reason, but I'm saying that it appeals to them more than masked men screaming allah hu akbar, weak leaders, and bombed out cities

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>>678720972
Then why do they force their own culture on us instead of adapting? They bring their allahu akbar religion here. If it really is like you say, then why are they still trying to live their old lives in a different geological position?

>>678720988
Awesome. How can anyone not like him?

>>678720604
Aha hey /b/roder. saken hans er bra men metoden dårlig

>>678712119
Not especially. It's mainly the murderous right-wing racism that sits poorly with me.

>>678721425
Kunde inte sagt det bättre själv

>>678721118
When someone comes from another area of the world, they may find it tough to leave their religion when apostacy holds the death penalty.
>Why are refugees retaining their religious beliefs in europe
are you fucking kidding me, if you are christian and moving from germany to slovenia, are you giving your religion up? no

>>678721706

Isn't Slovenia Christian?

>>678721880
it was a loose example

>>678721706
not just retaining, but forcing it on everyone else. Forcing restaurants to serve their sort of food and force everyone to adapt to THEM. I wouldn't do that if I was christian and moved to their shithole

>>678721118
>>678720972
They think we owe them something for having them here. Like we owe them for "making it here" or some shit. It's not our fault for fucking up your culture this bad, and they still have the decency to think that they can bend our society to THEIR beliefs. If your beliefs fucked up your original society don't bring it here and fuck up our society as well. Thank you.

>>678721706
Just because they want to keep their religion and culture, doesn't mean we have to let them.

>>678721565
Godt.

>>678716870
Not him.
Yeah that's fucking fucked. Why would there ever be any good reasons to like this guys, beside being an edgy serial killer fanboy teenager ?

>>678722083
KEK!

>>678722083
And we don't have to do it for them

>>678722071
THIS

>>678722238
Jesus christ you're as retarded as the other guy. I am just curious regarding their reasoning

>>678719400
A martyr to who? the fantasy group he claims gave him his mission?

>>678715095
stay strong anon

>>678722509
kek fag

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>>678722475

I don't get why we always have to save everyone all the timr, this is OUR part of the world, people should learn how to create their own working civilizations

>>678722757
^

>>678722560
>having the human capacity to feel empathy

How's autistic cuck life going? Are you planning on ever touching the flesh of the female without creating feelings of repulsiveness???

>>678722825
its obviously a fucking bullshit story

>>678722025
That's because christianity doesn't have as many rules as islam does, especially in the area of diet.
>>678722083
Uhm, that's true, but it would be unjust
>>678722071
People just want comfort in new societies

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>>678712119
Hey Andrew Lacoste, I say welcome to Hell
Playing killer games in your solitary cell
Mr. Coward, what went wrong with your head
A murderer of children, and still you aren't dead

>>678722960
They can start by making their own societies komfortable, like we made our own comfortable for us.

>>678723188
Not possible if it's in shambles

>>678722825
Are you wiping tear out of your eyes, faggot?

>>678722946
You can neither prove it is true or isn't. I'm assuming he is telling the truth as I see no reason for him to lie about it on an anonymous imageboard.

>>678723317
>The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
>Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.

>>678712119
He touched my butt

>>678723317
Being this new.

>>678723290
nah, i'd happily wipe the tears out of yours when after 30 years in your parents basement you realise you've missed out on anything resembling a life

>>678723264
That's their own fault, we shouldn't have to clean their mess up for them

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He deserves better treatment. Fuck the Norwegian government.

Killed a bunch of kids because he was too pussy to fight men. HUR DUR THIS POLITICAL PARTY LIKES MUSLIMS IF I SHOOT CHILDREN THAT WILL SOLVE MY AUTISTIC ANGST.

>>678723560
>Implying.
KEK!

>>678723538
>>678723458
If he is lying, it doesn't matter that I said it.
If he is telling the truth, he might find a little support in it. Why the fuck would you care about 3 fucking words that strongly. Are you guys filled with nothing but hate?

>>678723692
Why? he is in a norwegian prison. It's the same as a 3 star hotel.

>>678712119
Speaking seriously. He just killed other people. That's all. Either that, nothing else,

Lets start a fundraiser so he can get a ps4 instead of the old useless ps3 that he has right now

>>678712119
Go put on more makeup and pose for your glamour shots faggot.

I thought I was on /pol/ for a second. No doubt he made a lot of good points if you read his book, but his actions were plain wrong.

>>678712119
>says he wanna fight sandniggers in europe
>kill 100 white people


its 2016 we dont need psychos, we need real fighters agains islamists

>>678723773
What is up with all these SJWs we have around here nowadays? Did they stumble in here by mistake?

>>678723903
Um, how can you say "thats all"? It all has to do with his political agenda

>>678723987
OP here, made a thread on pol, got 150 replies and it just got removed

>>678724029
New mods make them feel more conformtable around here.

>>678724021
you really have no idea what you're talking about. Most of the people he killed were immigrants, and all of them were leftists

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>>678712119
ACTUAL QUOTE FROM BREIVIK:

i used to fuck a mom
she'd come over every once in awhile while her kid was staying at college.
she'd get naked as soon as she came in, put on her favorite song and start fucking me while crying. she said the song reminded her of raising her child, and motherhood. she told me it reminded her of how much she missed her child. it made her and me cum buckets.

this was the song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVI4Knz24CQ

>>678723958
Seriously, lets start a fundraiser for Breivik

>>678723818

He doesn't deserve to be isolated in a prison. He's a hero.

>>678723781
Praise Jesus. Is he allowed to cum inside you?

His writings were the ramblings of a beta autist. Not a single original thought. You look up to a fucking manchild who was too much of a bitch to go after adults.

>>678724030
I don't care what's your belief as long you can cohabitate with other species without harm them

>>678724021
All of them was pro sandniggerdom.

>>678724029
You are no better than isis, kys.

>>678722458
There is no reasoning. Either you're a fanboi (being a fanboi implies it is a reasonless love) or your being an edgy racist. That's all.

>>678724184
Wut. You actually make it sound like leftists are a bad thing. Radical left is anarchy, which is bad, but left is much better than right. Right is plane selfishness and power to less people, and uneducated people, too. That's plain stupidity. Inform yourself before you talk.

>>678724622
I bet you are pro ISIS, faggot.

>>678724624
So you're saying morbid curiousity doesn't exist? You don't like to question and hear the answers of people that think differently?

>>678724754
All of them were supporting the insane amounts of immigration

The reason people like him is because they did not have family on the island so they want to be edgy faggots.
Breivik is the reason Norway needs a death sentence.

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>>678712119
>Do you like Anders Behring Breivik?
Not really.
>why? Explain.
very strong package with a crucial flaw.

>>678724366

Don't you have a bull to prep, faggot? Get lost.

>>678724952
>Breivik is the reason Norway needs a death sentence.

Ironically it's the liberal government that he hates that allows him to escape the death penalty.

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>>678724952
Faggot.

>>678725218
I don't think he would've minded dying

>>678724366
He chose that specific day because Gro Harlem Brundtland, an earlier Norwegian prime Minister was supposed to be there.

>>678712119
Why kill innocent people?
He wasted those lives and also his own.
The only thing he succeeded in was bringing destruction and wasting his own life instead of contributing to the debate.
Did he have kids?
If not he is a biological failure.

>>678724952
> Norway needs a death sentence.
No it doesn't.

>>678725218
I know. it is the most retarded thing i have ever seen

>>678723818
3 star hotels are fucking ghastly

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if dubs, Breivik did nothing wrong

>>678725553
Why?

>>678714419
GG anon

>>678725665
Because we're more civilized than resorting to medieval methods?

>>678725650
44
55

You got 50. As far away from dubs as possible. Well done spacker

>>678725665
There is probably no country in the world that knows best on the prison system than Norway.
I hate it when people prevent to teach them how it's done.
There is no reason for them to get death penalty.

>>678726102
Pretend*

>>678712119
/based

I love the man.

I read his whole manifesto, was a good read. Guy was fucking crazy, very intelligent, but totally crazy, his whole vision if a Knights Templar movement that he goes into detail in the manifesto about doesn't seem to have taken off either.

>>678712119
Didnt that piece of garbage shoot up a summer camp. Then whine in prison his playstaion wasnt new enough?

>>678726102
Did you google translate that from Norwegian? KEK

>>678726003
I don't belive that. It just means that there are no deterences to commiting crimes like terorism since the police is trained to take you in alive. I'm not saying give the death sentence to people refusing to pay parking tickets but for cases like terorism there needs to be a way to show we will not stand for it. And 3 meals a day in a cell better then most apparments is not a good way.

>>678725650
/thread

>>678712119
>DISCLAIMER
>I was there to see the devastation of Oslo a week after, this might influence my opinion.
>DISLAIMER END
I heard him talking about a muslim invasion or some shit. It was covered decently in Denmark.
I also read about him being against marxists and muslims, and considered feminists marxists.
Lately he has brought charges against the Norwegian government about human rights (proper contact to other human beings), citing the law pretty well.
He seems like an intellectual individual, but he is fanatical in his work. He goes to action for what he thinks will help his nation against his percieved enemy. And he does this conciously.

In the political landscape of today, he would have done better being a spokesperson instead of going on the rampage, which he tried to spread his message through.
And even though he wanted to inflict terror in the people to create political change he is still considered a mass murderer by some, instead of the terrorist he is.
>Based on his actions, not media bullshit
>My sides when feminists are marxists and an muslim invasion is occuring is closer to reality compared to recent history

am i the only one who doesn't know what this guy did and why he's so poplar?
>inb4 newfag
no shit, nigger

>>678726577
nice. still don't know what this guy did. but fucking. nice.

>>678726809
He blew up some government building and killed 87 people on an island called Utøya.

>>678726543
Murder is wrong y'all, and we are going to kill people to prove our point.

>>678714419
May God have mercy on your soul.

Nice.

>>678726543
Police would still take him alive if there was a death penalty. The whole system is based on one inconvenient idea; there's no such thing as a bad guy. Just a human being raised under bad conditions. Therefore we treat prisoners, instead of punishing them, wanting to make them fit for society again

>>678722509
upvoted

>>678726927
Welcome to the justice system.

>>678726765
Read some newspapers every now and then, faggot

>>678726927
just like the punisher.

>>678727102
And that is a noble goal. But i don't belive all people can be treated.

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>>678727217
i'm a white american, nigger! I don't have to read!!!

>>678726920
87 kids

>>678727394
most of them were 18+ actually. and most of them were also immigrants

>>678722710
what if i told you, i was the very first person to ever use this picture on 4chan?

What a guy, my hero

>>678727313
I know you don't, and it's called the argument of personal incredulity.

>>678726927

Fewer the scum the better.

>>678726743
>>678712119
Personaly, I think he could have spread his message better being a spokesperson. I don't think he's stupid, but decided to spread it and make it inflict chaos. If what he says comes true people will look hilariously stupid though.
>Meme of the century would arrive
>>678727394
>87 kids
Not that important for understanding why he did what he did. See >>678726743
for what I have seen/read about him.

>>678727932
They why are you still alive?

>>678727457
Bro, there were like 2-3 immigrants among them...

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>>678728215

Nice

>>678727932
How does one know who is scum, and who is not. According to some, all people are scum. So just to be sure we got all the scum, we should just wipe out everyone? Yep, that makes sense.

Killing leftist scum, and mud migrants put him in the top 3 on my cool list behind mel gibson and adolf hitler.

>>678728425
Take a side and quit with the whole fuck humanity faggotry.

>>678728425

For starters, one who kills 80+ people. Just like any judicial system, their are different degrees of punishment depending on the crime. It would be delegated this way.

>>678728427
Very nice brand of fedora.

>>678728427
Does your mom know you're up this late??

>>678728427
>mel gibson

Never have I felt the faggot stronger in someone.

>>678728790
B-but, aren't people who think other people are scum, scum?

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>>678712119
I can't wait until he gets out and Comedy Central does a "Roast of Anders Brevik".

>>678715962
You have severe autism don't you?
Also, to answer your question: I don't like him, because you know, he killed like 80 kids. You fucking retard.

>>678729105
Don't mess with the road warrior.

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>>678712119
CRAAAAWLING IIIN MYYY SKIIIIIIIN
THESE WOUNDS, THEY WILL, NOT HE-ALL

>>678729105
did you hear him yelling at his ex-wife? shit's fucking legendary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppGwEA6wWt4

>>678729275
Why such a faggot? Nature or nurture?

>>678715095
Kondolerer

>>678728367
hahahaha no

>>678729533
So if you don't support killing children, you are a faggot?
Why so edgy? Daddy fucked you or mommy spoiled you?

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>>678729729
Har du en liten tåre i øyekroken nå? Dirrer det i underleppa? An hero værsåsnill. KEK

>>678728954
>>678729092
>>678729105
>He has an opinion that i disagree with.
>Better huck 4chanisms like fedora l, your mom, and the faggot is strong. Its called the random board, not the repeat the same tired shit board.

>>678730189
Er sympaty for andres tab nu et problem?

>>678730283
Inb4 lrn2 greentext.

>>678729794
Avoiding the question, so I'm guessing closet-fag. Hows about nature or nurture, what's your stance there?

>>678730189
>>678725260
Samefag, vet mamma at du er oppe så sent?

>>678730384
Her? Ja.

memory could not be read

>>678730543
>avoiding the question
While also avoiding the question
Irony intesifies

>>678730599
Det dær var søtt du. Skal du liksom prøve deg på å være edgy med det dær? Kanskje /mlp/ passer deg og det naive barnesinnet ditt, litt bedre.

>>678730739
>Viser sympati
>Personlige problemer
Hvorfor foreslå en hero når de to ting ikke hænger sammen... Faggot ville passe bedre.

>>678730543
You didn't ask me a question with any sort of relevance to the topic or anything else. I'm not even going to engage with someone who is clearly just a socially retarded edge-lord. Just commit suicide now and save yourself 50 years of being a loser.

>>678730995
If said anon, would have answered, I would have told said anon that my life is great. Great caring parents, my own house, car, money, great job, good health, dogs, cute girlfriend. I have everything I could ever want.

There, is that answer enough?

>>678731239
Ah there you are, faggot, this was my answer for your question: >>678731479

>>678731062
>dær
FYI dette er ikke en cringe tråd.
>copypasta insult
Skip
Jeg gjør iallfall ikke narr av kondolanser, som faktisk er sinnsykt smålig, barnslig og kynisk.
Selvmord asap.

>>678731829
>>678731479
>The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.

>>678731166
Hadde passet meg best om du an hero da. Faggot er jo en selvfølgelighet. Se bare pa kommentarene rundt her. LEL

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>>678726927

Yeah, we get rid of evil people, you just house them and make them feel like they're at home.

>>678731829
If you think I'm a faggot for not supporting Breivik then you have issues.
Also, trying to get me mad by calling me a faggot is a pretty poor choice - you might as well call me a panda.

>>678732170
>evil people
Such a simple mind

>>678731971
As if I care if you believe it or not. I truly enjoy my life. How about you?

>>678732092
At være præcis er vigtigere for mig.
Og hvorfor fanden hero med alt det bullshit der foregår i verdenen. Det er den rene komedie

>>678732359
Yup, can't complain. But if I told you about my life you wouldn't believe me anyway.

>>678732353
Ok, Panda. Why so serious? Did you enjoy my B8?