I'll bite, tell me

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Oh jeezus,welp i have nothing better to do so please enlighten me

>>678686015
>Christian
>Not a Evolutionist Theist
Fucking believing the world is 6000 years old
Not believing in Dinosuars

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>>678686015
YOU'LL NEVER MAKE ME GIVE A FUCK

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>>678686185
Why would you do that?

>>678686320
Nigga every single religion is chill with evolution you cuck,unless its diehard religious morons

>>678686015
You don't have proof, so just fuck off bait.

>>678686015
So please enlighten me, mate? Sense I am an agnostic.

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Please annon, try to proove. Atheist here, zero faith in god and op.

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>>678686320
My knowledge mostly concerns the existence of God. One doesn't necessarily need to accept all the tenants of Christianity, but if you worship God in a church, I feel you have the right to call yourself Christian.

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>>678686185
>>678686267
>>678686654
>>678686728
Thank you for being civil.

Our understanding of God is a being than which no greater can be conceived.
The idea of God exists in the mind.
A being which exists both in the mind and in reality is greater than a being that exists only in the mind.
If God only exists in the mind, then we can conceive of a greater being—that which exists in reality.
We cannot be imagining something that is greater than God.
Therefore, God exists.

>>678686015
Dear OP sent by the heavens. share your almighty knowledge

>>678686015
Sure, go on if you would please. I'm curious

So two out of three? Or does the agnostic guy count?

>>678686015
>logical
>God

Kek

The only logical thing for you to do is put a bullet in your brain.

>>678686742
That it?

>>678686851
Im confused

>>678686852
Young earth as in?

>>678686851
:|

>>678686949
Just responding to you distinction between you and Christians, and pointing out that many Christians would also fall under your umbrella

>>678686015
If it's logical I want to hear. Go ahead chistfag let us know what great truth you found in the book of god.

>>678687011
Because he's talking out of his ass.
Did you already forget this is b8?

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>>678686851
Honestly not what I was expecting. This is not convincing.

>>678686851
>Paradox

There's no proof there faggot. You're just talking about philosophy now.

>>678687224
Come back when you pass middle school then

Keep up the good work OP

>>678686851
This is fucking wordsalad. Therefore OP is a fucking delusion moron.

>>678686851
But what if I imagine a being that controls God? Wouldnt he then exist?

>>678686851
Faggot that proves nothing. Its like saying "i believe in a magical floating unicorn right in front of me. Because i cant imagine it not being there, it exists."

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>>678687305
>can't understand logic

So what would prove it to you then?

>>678687438
No, because by definition God is the greatest being possible.

A being that controls God would actually be God

Before you prove god, please define god. When I argue with religious people, the main problem is, that we have a different understanding of god.

>>678686851
Don't worry guys, I speak Christian.

He says that if you believe in God, God is real. Some shit like that.

Trust me, I'm experienced, or ing?

>>678687194
Well i was hoping anon could at least type a sentence without it sounding bullshit

>>678686851
lol @ the fact that no one is actually being able to prove you wrong, just a lot of handwaving

>>678687482
I am God. Can you prove me wrong?

>>678687257
Oh and what of evolution? Or do you believe earth popped into existence and humans were always like this?

>>678687637
We can't prove him wrong because none of us speak sober.

>>678686851
OOOHHHHHH, YOU CLEVER PIECE OF SHIT

>>678686851
Hmm, I think there is what can be defined as a god out there but not what we expect. Not the man in the clouds shit bur a being or race of beings far more powerful than us.

>>678686851
Ehhhh I guess I can belie have a really open mid today so thanks OP for replying with a really quite logical saying.

>>678686851
sweet logic! I'm picturing this god of yours inserting beads into their anus.

>>678687589
People that claim to be speaking for God are clearly manipulating this with their mind logic, in effect they have a monopoly on what God says, they control god.

>>678687943
>Believe
Sorry typed to fast

>>678686851
Existence is not a predicate, if you've studied any philosophy this would be easy refuted. This is just a poorly reworded version of the Ontological Argument.

>>678687722
Can you die? Or be omniscient?

>>678687637
How exactly do you prove a negative? You can't prove god doesnt exist, but it doesnt mean he does. As for op's point, it makes no sense. "God exists cause i believe in him because he exists" its a fucking circle.

There must be a god or something but who knows

>>678687011
He's saying that if anything can exist as a concept it exists. We can't see freedom but it exists in theory, conceptually.

>>678687482
Fuck it I'll bite.

Do you not understand what the word proof means? Give me facts and abstain from presenting your bullshit philosophy.
Truth is that there is no proof so you weak minded delusional fucks have to make up "proof".

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For fucks sake anons!

Stop giving these shit threads any atention!

>>678686015
Logical proof isn't evidence.

>All dogs die.
>George Washington died.
>George Washington was a dog

>>678686015
> I know you atheists love to hate everyone who isn't you.
Oh, there are some angry atheists, but you realize the real hateful bloodbath is on the religious side?

Not believing there is some deity requiring you to fuck over unbelievers mostly leads to just not caring. Gods are on the same level as crystal energy and spirit summonings for most of us.

It's mostly various groups of religionfags that think it's their holy mission to actively fight everyone else.

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its the neverending bait

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>I have logical proof of God's existence
Only of one god? Of all the thousands there supposedly are?
What makes that god more true than any other god?

>>678686015
Stale pasta is still stale

>>678688092
No I can't die. I am omniscient as well

>>678688335
What's the specific word for this type of process?

>>678687361
Are you implying I'm an underage b&, sir? Because if that's the case you're very much mistaken. I'm old enough to have been your teenage dad at the time of your conception and birth.

>>678686851
>we can conceive of a greater being—that which exists in reality.
That's not establishing it actually exists in reality.

>cannot be imagining something that is greater than God
I can. Double God.

>>678686015

Watch this Mr. Christian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-suvkwNYSQo

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>>678686015
>logical
>proof
You do realize that using logic is a scientific method?
you should just believe, like your stupid religion taught you.

>>678686015
can you stop samfagging?

>>678686851
Our understanding of Zeus is a being than which no greater can be conceived.
The idea of Zeus exists in the mind.
A being which exists both in the mind and in reality is greater than a being that exists only in the mind.
If Zeus only exists in the mind, then we can conceive of a greater being—that which exists in reality.
We cannot be imagining something that is greater than Zeus.
Therefore, Zeus exists.

>>678686015
"Logical" = not real

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Let's settle it at this:
(Not op btw)

At least 93% of /b/ (estimating) doesn't believe in God and is not Christian. They can have their own beliefs, we have ours. They may have beliefs that we're "sheeple", we can have our beliefs that their just too lazy to go to church. In the end of our lifetime we can find out the truth, so we might as well just wait.

Also op stop posting that damn gif it's creeping me out and it looks so mcfucking stupid kys you piece of shit or delete this thread so that we don't have to deal with some shitty gif out of a low budget movie.

>>678688438
I guess technically if God was capable of anything, that wouldn't rule out dying

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Since theres no actual definitive god or anything like that lets at least set a common set of beliefs for a god eh? Gotta have atleast majority agree with statement
Omniscient
Doesnt give a damn about humans
And apparently created the universe with the snap of his fingers

>>678686851
Thats not proof that's a thought experiment and it's not even a good one. By your logic if I can imagine something better then God then it must exist, and I can; a universe capable of existing on its own without a known creator. Boom there is no God and here is your proof.

>>678688475
Gettier-style refutation

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>>678688438
Are you kidding your in a flesh bag body when you die in that body you get to decide if you want to go back to your original world and be your god form or reincarnate as a human again. I'm Omnishift the god of shapeshifting and have been studying gods for most my life in flesh bag and god form.

>>678688335
This isn't actually logical.

A->B does not imply B->A.

You need to respect all rules of logic in the mathematical sense for something to be logical.

>>678687482
If you used the scientific method to prove god I'd believe you.

>>678688475
Inductive reasoning

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>>678688779
Nor would it rule out immortality

Weak bait. It isn't funny and never was. Fuck off

>>678686851
God can't exist because of Eric the God Eating penguin. Since Eric is God eating by definition, he has no choice but to eat God. So if God exists he immediately ceases to exist because he is being eaten by Eric. Unless you can prove that Eric doesn't exist, God doesn't exist.

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Professor Xavier wishes to find out about this "God"

>>678689062
Which is why it's all bullshit

>>678686851
Oh wait there is no logical proof for god what your using is philosophy, idiot.

>>678686851
Our understanding of Utopia is a placr than which no greater can be conceived.
The idea of Utopia exists in the mind.
A placr which exists both in the mind and in reality is greater than a place that exists only in the mind.
If Utopia only exists in the mind, then we can conceive of a greater place—that which exists in reality.
We cannot be imagining something that is greater than Utopia.
Therefore, Utopia exists.
And your shit philosophy isn't there.

>>678686851
>everything you imagine exists in Imagination Land

do suicides go to heaven?

>>678688872
Nice proof

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>>678688223
To prove God scientifically means to subject God to the scientific method (observation, hypothesis, experiment, etc), which basically means we would have to control the hand of God to do this. God is above humans and we as humans do not and can not control what God does since he is, you know, above humans instead of being subject to humans.

Besides, atheists tend to pigeon hole their minds into thinking science is the ONLY way to prove God, as opposed to the other ways the Bible can be verified. There are other ways to prove the Bible aside from science. For instance, prophecies that have been fulfilled, the change that being saved makes on a person, and it's STILL the best explanation for why humans act the way they do towards each other. Think outside the box for once, people.

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>>678686851

Did you think we hadn't heard that before?

>>678689200
Nice south park reference and /thread.

>>678688907
Dogs(A) Die(C)
George Washington(B) Died(C)
If A=C and B=C then A must equal B

>>678689133
Exactly my point. Thank you for helping to prove it

>>678688335
That's not logical proof

Go back to school

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>>678687482
>>678689311
>2016
>believing in le invisible powerful man we can't detect in any way

>>678689311
>>678686851
Our understanding of Utopia is a place than which no greater can be conceived.
The idea of Utopia exists in the mind.
A place which exists both in the mind and in reality is greater than a place that exists only in the mind.
If Utopia only exists in the mind, then we can conceive of a greater place—that which exists in reality.
We cannot be imagining something that is greater than Utopia.
Therefore, Utopia exists.
And your shit philosophy isn't there.

>>678688704
>implying the gods of ancient civilizations weren't fallen angels who came to mislead humanity

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>>678689311
Professor Xavier shall bite. What prophecies have been fulfilled?

>>678686851
>We cannot be imagining something that is greater than God.
oh really? Where is this part of your theorem proven?

I imagine Satan our Dark Lord is more powerful than your Christian god. Hail the Beast. In accordance with your own proof, you must yield and pledge allegiance to the Devil because He is your true Lord. Hail Satan! say it with me

>>678688335
This is an hilariously mistaken understanding of logic. What you provided was an invalid conclusion. The predicates were correct but the conclusion was invalid.

> only dogs can die
> George Washington died
> George Washington was a dog

That would be a valid claim as the conclusion logically follows from the predicates. Of course the second predicate is obviously incorrect. Logic is the ONLY way to prove something. If it does not make sense then either it is an invalid conclusion or one (or many) of the predicates are incorrect.

>>678686851
The problem with this proof is that you could replace "God" with anything: mile-long sharks, purple headed dog centaurs, a magical race of 100-foot tall strippers, etc, etc, etc...

>>678686185
>>678686465
leave trolls.

>>678689556
Creatures on 4chan????

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>>678686015 (OP)
It's time to stfu and kill yourself

>>678689574
Satan was originally an angel of God but then Satan turned on him and then there was a big war, but God is more powerful cuz Satan was just an angel.

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>>678686015
> logical proof

This is code for "I can't actually prove this thing is real, but here's some word salad that allows me to start with an assumption and end with that same assumption as proof."

In short: You don't have "logical proof", you have a logical fallacy. You want to prove god exists? Do it empirically and scientifically. Otherwise, fuck off, because your "proof" is no better than someone saying, "Aliens built the pyramids because I assumed they did and then found a hieroglyphic image that kinda, sorta looks like a rocket! PROOF!"

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>>678688907
>>678689447
That's the point. Theologians weave consistent arguments as they please, but refuse to substantiate any of their content.

>>678686851
This is undeniable proof that logic exercises often mean absolutely nothing.

what's the video with the girl?

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>>678686851
This logical statement is built on some false assumptions
Allow me to paraphrase your claims in a more readable manner you verbose fuck.
1. There is no being greater than God.
2. You can imagine God.
3. Something you can imagine, and actually exists if greater than something you can only imagine.
4. If God is imaginary, we can imagine something greater than god, a hypothetical God who is real
5. We cannot imagine something greater than God.

The problem lies in point number 3, That something that exists is greater than something imaginary, I would argue that imaginary things are usually much greater and more fantastic than real things, for example, Magic, Superheroes, Fantasy, Religion.

When things are introduced to reality they must abide by the laws of physics, and thus are weaker than constructs of our imaginations which follow no such guidelines. Therefore a God which exists in reality would follow the laws of the universe and would be weaker than a God in our imagination which would follow no such rules. Case in point, God doesn't exist.

>>678686851
>Hurr durr I red Anselm today

Fuck off. Not a logical proof.

>>678689900
Damn double dubs tell the truth!

>>678689071
Well God is immortal, so even if eaten by Eric he wouldn't die.

>>678687482
>what would prove it to you then?
Eat a bag of dicks.
You're showing how easily fooled you can be.

>>678689383
There is no "=" in this.

A -> C (If it's a dog, IT WILL die)
B AND C (George Washington existed AND he died)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_connective

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>>678689933
samefag

>>678689497
I guess you're just too stupid to understand what my point was.

Fuck off

>>678690297
>le today it's religion, tomorrow it's mythology meme

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SHITPOSTING THREAD REEEEEE


POST WHATEVER THE HELL YOU WANT

>>678690079
This is literally it. Ontological Argument is a joke, Hume dismantles it.

>>678686015
https://youtu.be/FmTsS5xFA6k

No one uses that shit philosophy anymore.

According to Christianity, if there was a massive tsunami in a country such as India, and it killed thousands of babies, all of those babies would go to Hell.

Meanwhile, a murderous psychopath, who also happens to be a Christian, could come to God on his deathbed and be saved and spend eternity in Heaven.

Does this sound moral to you? According to your religion, millions of innocent children have been burning alive for centuries, while your everyday serial killer is livin' it up Heaven.

>and the deciding factor was the geographic region they were born in

Fuck off

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>>678690675
You can be Christian and still go to hell

Also contd shitposting thread REEEE

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>OP right now

So much butthurt in this thread

>>678689311
>think outside the box
>fundamentalist Christian

Good advice faggot.
Please tell me which of these prophecies have been fulfilled.

>prophecy
Sorry but this is also a load of shit.
>Prophets
Say general statements that are applicable to numerous occurrences throughout history.

>being saved
Please just kill yourself

>the way that humans act towards one another
Are you fucking serious?

Oh did I mention that you should kill yourself?

>>678687589
What if I imagine a universe so complex that it is able to explode into the reality without any higher power intervening? By definition, 99% of theists believe that this is impossible without god, therefore it is "greater" than a universe that requires god. Using your logic, I have imagined something that is greater than god - no god at all.

Also congrats on being less obvious than most atheists that start these bait threads.

>>678690869
I know but that doesn't affect my point

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>>678689311
Oh ok I believe now

>>678689311
>Tells people to open their mind
>Says the bible provides the best explanation for why people act the way they do.
>Completely ignores the scientific books on human behavior
Christians like you are the most close minded people ever. You act like you know everything when really you only know about one thing, the bible, a book that's been re translated and rewritten so many times over that even if it was the book of god it's definitely not anymore and theirs no prove it ever was. How about you look into something other then the bible before you judge us because I've personally read the bible and can tell you first hand it's a bunch of nonsensical stories written by people who didn't understand how the world really works.

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>>678690275
Nope

>>678689945
It's not consistent if you require the groups ("who" exactly they are talking about and if necessary how it's different from other groups) to be defined strictly, everything they talk about to be backed up by some scientifically observable fact, and the whole conclusions they draw to follow directly in terms of mathematical logic from what they say.

Usually, it's a fail on all levels.

>>678686851
We cannot think of anything greater than god, because we have assigned a certain meaning to the word god. Right now someone particularly good at something is godlike, that might have been completely different.

>>678686851
Thanks for trying OP, but there are logical flaws on your line of thinking.

>Our understanding of God is a being than which no greater can be conceived.
Ok, agreed. This is the concept and definition of God by monotheist religions.

>The idea of God exists in the mind.
Also agreed. When you say God, I know what you are talking about, so the ideia exists in my mind.

>A being which exists both in the mind and in reality is greater than a being that exists only in the mind.
Here is a flaw. I can imagine a dog, and a dog exists in reality. I can also imagine a purple frog with 3 legs and 2 heads, but the frog doesn't exist in reality. It doesn't mean the dog is greater than the frog.

The rest of your line of thinking is wrong because of that wrong assumption.
It was a nice try, though. Philosophy is something for smart people. Keep thinking, OP, but be aware that you will find out that there is no God if you do it.

>>678691104
Nice shoop you fucking samefag

>>678691137
You know what's greater than god? Reality.

>>678690019
OP pls respond

>>678686851
A being with 10 arms, scaly purple skin and is made of candy can be conceived of only in my mind. No other being can be as purple or scaly. Therefore the being exists.

Thats what you sound like

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Fuck this thread

Sage

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SHITPOST RESUME REEEE

>>678687722
what do I have in my pocket?

>>678691911
Nothing

>>678691820
You can't sage with an image dickwad.

>>678692072
So true

>>678692008
You lead with STRING or nothing. Not nothing first. You're a shit Gollum.

>>678689311
>OP tells us to think outside the box
>OP openly rejects all nonbiblical knowledge

I think your real problem is that we're not thinking inside your box, bro.

If you want a better explanation for why humanity is the way it is, study the evolution of social animals. Study our own history and sociology. There's a mountain of evidence outside of your box, but people like you simply don't want to acknowledge it. Because religion isn't about truth, it's about wish fulfillment.

>>678690584
Thanks for proving my point, dipshit.

>>678691954
Cringy, but at least it wasn't the guy pathetically trying that.

>>678686851
Well, at least it's an ontological argument and not based upon scripture.

When did this become a cringe thread?

>>678656107
>>678687978
>>678686015
Que te den hereje. Arderas en el infierno.

>>678689383
This faggot doesn't know how sets work. Do you need help with your pre-algebra homework, babby?

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>>678692546
When it began to make no sense

>>678691126
Inserting god in any equation is simple assertion.

>>678686851

I can't think of anything greater than jamming my eight inches of quivering cock over her sweet soft lips and down her warm throat.. So this means that when fantasize about choking here with my ropy sperm while fapping tonigh it will acutally be happening somewhere. Neat.

>>678693208
I don't want to feel this feel

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Thank you raptor jesus for making this into a cringe thread.

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>>678693508
Eh too bad

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>>678693565
Np faggot

Now bow down for me anon

>>678686015
>I have logical proof of God's existence

Logic doesn't enter into the subject of Gods because Gods are inherently illogical

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>>678686015
I love that movie too OP.

Great taste

>>678686851

This is proof of nothing, merely wasteful semantics.

>>678692549
If you're so smart how about you learn how to spell "baby".

>>678686015
You're boring.

>>678686851
"Evidence"

>>678686015
I can write at least 3 logical proofs that god can't exist without trying too hard. Not bothering to stay in the thread though.

The only issue being... wait for it. No One Cares about your opinion. That's it, that's the game. Now go whine somewhere else. ty.

>>678694477
Checked and sauce?

>>678695567
>opinion
only logic and facts allowed here

>>678686015
if god exists explain why my father pretended to be possessed just to abuse me and me brother verbally and physically. why satan the lord didn't just got in to the sucker body already and fuckin killed me and me family? no, it was obvious the idiot was pretendin' to be with child demon.

>>678692906
God is a wishy-washy term. Describe the attributes of said god.

Apart from that, to then use the formula that follows this assertion, of course you have to show that thing thing with the attributes you described *exists* in context. Anything else invalidates your whole logic chain.

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I can prove God isn't real easily. Check it out it's Vishnu, an actual real god. Christian cry babies will probably come after me but I have yet to see anyone prove Vishnu is fake and my texts don't say anything about Christianity.

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>>678686851

>God exists because i believe in him

>I believe in Santa

>Santa is real

>>678686851
I can conceive of a being so powerful that he creates infinitely many separate gods, each with their own totality of existence. Your first premise is false.

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>>678697025

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>>678697198

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>>678697347
Well played.

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>>678686851
>If enough people think it, then it's real

Huh, where have I heard that one before?

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Sumtin' for ur God m8

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>>678686851

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>>678698345
samefag

I can imagine an indestructible fag lord that can smite my will to live with their retardation, their name is op. Because op exists in both reality and mind, op is more powerful than God. Therefore, god is not real.

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OK time for some real good shit here

I can think of a God who is all powerful, can write a bible without obvious false claims, doesn't fuck another man's virgin wife, and is ever present, making all life a paradise. Sounds greater than any god mentioned so far.

God does exist in the same way as santa and dragons do. There are stories about them so that means they exist, but it doesn't mean that they are real.

>>678699095

Ya know everything exists somewhere out there. The proof being that we haven't seen it.

You are a teacher I am einstein...what a twidt