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Is anyone here actually a Bernie supporter?

>>677852654
majority of us are where are you in a farm?

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>>677852013
fucking saved, so well said!

>>677852654
Every thread I've seen on here with a poll of the candidates has had Bernie at the top.

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>>677852654
fuck you and your racist berny

>>677852804
How do you feel about two trendy black women kicking him off the stage? lmao

>>677853080
fuck off those girls later apologized!!!

>>677853319
OH WELL THAT'S PERFECT

NO WORRIES THEN

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>>677852013
Oh, look. Proto-fascist reaction follows ineffective social democracy while the capitalist elite laugh at the ineffectiveness of your populist anger. How predictable. You're all just cucking yourselves until you achieve class-consciousness and become anti-capitalist.

>>677852013
Me too, these faggot loving liberals better get their shit in order before their day comes to an end.

then its open season on faggots, liberals, blacks, and muslims.

>>677853827
See

you use big words to try look intelligent.

The problem is that intelligent ideas make you look intelligent. And you have none of that.

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>>677854043
What big words? There are literally zero in that post. What don't you understand? Social democracy? Reactionary? Ineffective? Oh, right, it was probably ineffective. Most Trump supporters don't seem to understand that concept.

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>>677854537
soon

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>>677855008
Doesn't really matter to me. Bernie welfare capitalism or Trump nationalist populism - it's all just symptoms of capitalist corruption and people being unwilling to take on an economic substructure that has served its purpose long ago and is now a poisonous relic of the past.

All I can do is try to spread truth and hope enough people wake up before the world can no longer sustain the wastefulness and savagery of our primitive civilization.

>>677853006
Holy shit that picture is so retarded

>>677853080
Is that really all you have to offer as a counter point?

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>>677855617
>All I can do is try to spread truth
The unfortunate truth is that the biggest push for communism is within countries that had never experienced it. Communism (real Communism, not the utopia bullshit Marx thought up) is the death of free will and culture.

Here is a picture of the Kremlin before half of it was destroyed and painted red by the Bolsheviks.

>>677855617
hope you get hit by a bus

>>677854043
Worst argument in the thread easily. Big words anon... Are you 14 or did you not graduate? Oh shit, we're the words to big for you again?

>>677852013
So you support Trumps plan to basically out law encryption his blind support for the police state, and his anti-drug polices? I don't see how conservatives can even be on this site, if your party had it's way sites like 4chan wouldn't exist and you'd have to buy a data plan to use netflix and the like.

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Bernie has lost, it's over you faggots. Do you really want Clinton to win? SJW's will make America horrible!

>>677856913
Name a country and a political lead trying to push for communism. You'll get Asian countries that are or were already communists. Also, can you define communism?

>>677857340
Oh look, someone who doesn't understand super delegates

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>>677856913
>The unfortunate truth is that the biggest push for communism is within countries that had never experienced it

Countries that called themselves communist never experienced communism either. They experienced authoritarian state capitalism

>socialism: idea that economy should be democratic
>communism: theoretical end result of socialism in which state finally dissolves
>REAL communism is where people control nothing and state is all-powerful HURR DURR

Look how good you are at believing everything the rich tell you to believe! You should go find an oligarch to give you a dog biscuit - I think you deserve a treat for being such a good boy.

>>677857544
Oh look, someone who doesn't understand corporate interests and corruption.

Trump is the President already, you didn't know this already faggots?

>>677852013
>spite vote

Get your emotions in check you sissy faggot. Luckily they don't let children or retarded people vote.

>>677857741
Won't disagree that Hillary is corrupt for a second

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>>677852013
>voting like this because of that
You're no different from the blacks who voted for Obama simply because he's black.

>>677857057
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im Canadian and thank god I am because faggots like this one will dig ur hole deeper and deeper just you wait china will call in their debt and poof suddenly trump wont mean shit all he got is money and hes gonna try and run the country like one but the problem with that is a lot of his business ventures went bankrupt. now let that pile of shit stink for a moment

>>677858126
Never thought of it like that. OP is a low-informstion nigger voter confirmed

>>677856668
not more retarded than when they compare Trump to Hitler though

>people unironically are going to vote for shillary

why

>>677858405
Fear and ignorance, mostly. Corruption is all they've ever known and they just don't want to risk losing any more economic security. Sad, really.

>>677857566
erm... your own work? pretty lame bro

>>677852013
I hate to break it to you but your votes are basically a suggestion for who you want elected as long as the electoral college is around. The electors can really vote however they want.

>>677852013
>itt OP bitches and whines about how much he hates people who bitch and whine
>Republicans.jpg

>>677852013
I've voted straight Democrat for the last 20 years.

That trend ends this year when I proudly cast my vote for Trump.

I'm not voting for him because I hate Mexicans or Muslims or anything like that. I don't begrudge anyone for wanting a better life for themselves.

What I hate, more than anything, is the politically correct fascists who scream down anyone and anything they disagree with. CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, Buzzfeed, Huffington Post and their brainwashed zombie followers have become the enemy of speech and self-expression.

"Safe spaces", "Racist", "Sexist" -- The more they abuse intellectually dishonest rhetoric to silence others, the more my support for Trump grows.

I don't care if he's Hitler. They hate him, and they're fucking Satan, so I'll throw my hat in with Hitler.

>>677858870
>I've voted straight Democrat for the last 20 years.

stopped reading right there.

>>677859053
>stopped readin

Stopped reading right there.

>>677858559
>Fear and ignorance.

Literally the only reason anyone would vote for any given candidate right now. There's no logic or sound decision making to be had when it comes to any party involved in this election.

>>677858870
You said lots of reasons why you are not, but why would you?

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I seriously wonder how many government shills are posting in this thread.

But we must also not rule out that /b/ has turned into utter SJW cancer as well over the past few years.

>>677859287
>Stop

Stopped reading right there

>>677859053
oh look the ultra low-information voter

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>>677852013
But why vote for him, Bernie is totally not a part of any Jewish conspiracy.

>>677859427
>You said lots of reasons why you are not, but why would you?

Because voting for Trump is a giant "fuck you" to the politically correct, the easily offended, the intellectual cowards, the safe spacers, the race baiters, the professional victims, and the media who drives their agenda.

They think they own us. They think they've picked their winner already.

Mostly they do. Maybe they have.. But we have an opportunity with Trump to break them. To tell them they're wrong. To shove their bullshit down their throat and put their worst nightmare into power.

>>677859470
>6778

Stopped reading right there.

>>677859382
It's not all the same. Hillary is the ultimate establishment candidate and 90% of people will at least grudgingly admit that her campaign promises mean nothing. If the choices are Trump, Clinton, and Sanders, then a Clinton vote just means "I'm scared that things are going to get even worse and I want a status quo president". But by counting on this in the general election, I think the DNC is underestimating how much Americans hate our government and all of the corruption at this point. Wait until Clinton gets named in the Panama Papers, and then indicted for mishandling classified information. Dumb and arrogant is a bad combination for the Democratic Party.

>>677858870
are you retarded???? trump is literally hitler like LITERALLY

>>677858870
>people hate him therefore he must be good!

How can vote as an edgy 13 year old?

>>677860267
Oh let me refer you to this post then

>>677858126
Also Trump and Hillary have been friends for decades, so Trump is more of a HA we tricked you note from Hillary to secure her presidency

Also a reformed Democrat here. Voting Trump because this sjw nonsense is fucking all the shit up fam. Freedom of speech shouldn't be censored with crying about feelings.

Build a fucking wall, make America Great Again. Crybaby faggots with 125k$ student loans in dead languages and sociology.

>>677860749
let's just say good enough. definitely not worse than obama is

>>677860723
Shut the fuck up Carl and hold your wife down so Pedro can give her the dick.

>>677860168
>implying Bernie is part of a Jewish conspiracy
He's like the least Jewey jew ever. He is an atheist, he is only worth like 400K after being in the senate for 30 years, and he supports Palestine's right to exist

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>>677860834
Well, you know what Trump said:
>I love the under-educated

>>677860895
No, you arent a reformed democrat. You are a shill and no need to try and sway anyone else because its the single worst tactic in history.

>>677860755
Vote Bernie like the 21 year old who has the worlds answers figured out

I mean
Sanders would probs be best
But Trump would piss off SJWs
So
Trump it is

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>>677860723
>are you retarded???? trump is literally hitler like LITERALLY

You're profoundly ignorant of who Hitler was if you think Trump is anything like him. You've been duped by propaganda.

>>677861119
Get back to your phone bank circle jerk Carl, Bernie has lost and took all your time for nothing.

>>677861556
Authoritarian right != Nazism, retard

>>677861607
No one said anything about Bernie. So now you just look unintelligible

>>677861759
Replied to wrong post, derp herp

>>677852013
PANAMA PAPERS

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>>677861556
Not who you replied to. Now, it's definitely an exaggeration to say Trump is Hitler, but there are comparisons that can made. He's like Hitler was before he got elected, but we have no idea what he would do in office

>>677861518
Yeah you sure would get them... good reason anon.

>>677860834
If Hillary wins, which she probably will, I won't cry over it. She won't be any different than the last 10 shitty president's we've had.

Here's the thing: Trump is a revolution.

Not a fake revolution like Bernie, who is just a Communist... I mean a REAL revolution. Just his being on the ballot puts shit in so many pants. Look at how they squeal and squirm. Look at how badly they hate him.

Ask yourself why.

Why are they so afraid of this man?

Do you think it's because he's the first presidential candidate in our lifetime that they don't control? Who isn't in their pocket?

That is why I will vote for him, and it's why you should vote for him too.

>>677861938
big difference is that there were no jews blowing up every jewish country in the world in the 1930s.

>>677862153
>Bernie, who is just a Communist
this is factually wrong, learn basic political science please

>>677861938
>anti muslim fascist
kek

>>677852013
well put faggot, if i was an american i'd vote trump too, just to see what he does

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>>677862153
Oh? And what sort of revolution is this? What are the outcomes and implications for the average person? How will the world change in any fundamental way?

>>677862153
I want to ask you why you think Trump is a revolutionist. He hasnt said anything that will help the US unless you can name it. And dont say the wall, that wont do anything that making companies do background checks wouldnt fix. Also what makes you think Bernie is a communist?

>>677861938
> but there are comparisons that can made

We can make more and better comparisons between Bernie and Stalin or Pol Pot... So where's your infographic on that, or your 15 articles a day on CNN screaming about it? Shouldn't you be afraid of their evil as well?

>>677855617
>implying communism is any less corrupt

>>677862611
No. Stalin an Pol Pot were authoritarian left, bernie is libertarian left. The authoritarian part is the bad part, not the leftist policies. And that's why we don't like Trump, he is authoritarian right.

>>677862725
Yes, state capitalism is also corrupt, because all capitalism involves a ruling class (in the post-Stalin USSR and all "communist states", the ruling class of government bureaucrats)

>>677862454
>What are the outcomes and implications for the average person? How will the world change in any fundamental way?

It won't. Nothing substantive will change.

The optics of American politics, however, will never be the same. Politicians who have run to the left with promises of free shit and Social Justice will come back to the middle with the realization that they're not in line with mainstream America.

>>677852013
You point equates to cutting off your nose to spite your face. Faggot.

>>677860469
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Stopped reading right there.

>>677852013
/thread.

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>>677862454

>Socialism
>Armed workers

kek

>>677857619
communism requires a perfect world to exist. Capitalism doesn't require a perfect world to exist. Therefore, communism isn't viable.

>>677862801
Makes you follow laws.
TRIGGERED!
"AUTHORITARIAN AUTHORITARIAN!"

Faggot

>>677862801
>The authoritarian part is the bad part, not the leftist policies

You cannot have leftist policies without authoritarian enforcement. It's a fantasy.

When I don't pay my taxes, or don't support the greater good, the only way to make me is with a gun or prison.

In Bernie's America, I won't pay my taxes. You'll have to kill or imprison me, and you will become what Stalin and Pol Pot were, all under the guise of the greater good.

>>677853827
Anticapitalism worked so well, look at Cuba, China, Venezuala, the USSR. They weren't/aren't repressed shit holes at all.

>>677863091
You mean like healthcare for all?
http://pnhp.org/blog/2015/12/17/kaiser-poll-58-of-americans-support-medicare-for-all/
58%

Or redistribution of wealth?
http://reason.com/24-7/2013/04/18/majority-of-americans-want-federal-gover
52%

Or debt free college?
https://today.yougov.com/news/2015/08/20/three-fifths-want-debt-free-college/
60%

Wouldnt that be what the mainstream americans want? If you think that new blood will change how america is run, didnt happen when reagan ran, it got worse. Same thing will most likely happen.

>>677852013
Trump is gonna turn around and fuck you all so hard in the ass it wont even be funny

>>677863457
What a simple little world you live in. In any case, nobody's arguing that we should become "communist". Socialists understand that communism is a theoretical future ideal. The program of a socialist revolution is to overthrow the current economic order and replace it with a democratic institution that provides for people's needs and takes on the challenges humanity will face in the future.

The American and other bourgeois revolutions of the 18th century were about achieving political democracy. The socialist revolution will be an extension of this program - finally emancipating the people through economic democracy and doing away with the last ruling class. That's the goal.

>>677863508
>>677863581
Obviously laws have to be enforced, but it's about what laws you enact. Trump for instance, said he wants to strengthen the libel laws so that it's hard for the media to say bad things about him. Even bad things that are true he wants to crack down on. Trump is an authoritarian through and through.

With Bernie, yes you will have to follow laws that are enacted, but those laws are libertarian in nature

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>>677863839
I won't bother writing a response to someone who can't read.

>>677863869
>Wouldnt that be what the mainstream americans want?
There's a big difference between, "Hey, want free health care?!" and "Hey, we're going to raise your taxes 20% to pay for free health care!"

Your support percentages will exist only amongst the leeches who are sucking the teat.

>>677857619
USSR was capitalist in an way...citation needed. Pretty sure you don't know what that word means.

>>677864028
Trump did say that the government should continue to have the right to take someones property by force.

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>>677863942

>doing away with the last ruling class.

>>677864028
>but those laws are libertarian in nature
20% tax increases to pay for "free" shit is the exact opposite of libertarian. It's literally the antithesis.

>>677863869
Bernbots love them some polls. Except all the ones showing his faggot ass losing HARD

>>677864211
Whos plan is raising taxes? And over 50% of the nation is welfare leeches? Awfully narcissistic of you if you dont think you are one of them.

>>677864288

Eminent domain is fine, so long as it serves the public interest.

Trump is fucked up on that one, seeing as he thinks it's ok for the government to take land from private individuals and give it to other private individuals or companies.

>>677864400
I mean the political science definition of libertarian, not the American one. The real definition is the opposite of authoritarianism, it protects individuals rights. In America, Libertarianism has been perverted to mean freedom from paying any taxes

>>677853006
>Hitler
>blamed the rich

"Those damn Jews and their fabulous ghettos! Look at that one! Using premium floss to sew patches over the holes in his pants while honest hardworking Germans are forced to use regular old string! Mein leben! "
-Adolph Hitler

>>677864521
You mean the polls where both democrats running destroys Trump?

>>677864129
Refute or fuck off.

>>677864250
I'm pretty sure you don't know what capitalism really means, and I'm definitely sure you don't know what socialism means. Did the people of the USSR have any control over economic policy? Over their workplaces? Did they make decisions about how businesses were run independent of any owners - either private individuals or agents of the state?

>Capitalism is an economic system based on private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit
>Economists, political economists, and historians have adopted different perspectives in their analyses of capitalism and have recognized various forms of it in practice.
>These include laissez-faire or free market capitalism, welfare capitalism, and state capitalism.

The USSR in its final form was state capitalist - the revolution could not succeed because the pre-industrial society had no real proletariat.

>State capitalism is usually described as an economic system in which commercial (i.e., for-profit) economic activity is undertaken by the state, where the means of production are organized and managed as state-owned business enterprises (including the processes of capital accumulation, wage labor, and centralized management), or where there is otherwise a dominance of corporatized government agencies (agencies organized along business management practices) or publicly listed corporations of which the state has controlling shares.

Educate yourself, please.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysZC0JOYYWw

>>677852013
>milky ba-ba
HOLY SHIT! HE GOT US GUYS! THE JIG IS UP! HE FUCKING GOT US!

>>677852013
Great post

>>677862345
also Trump is against ILLEGAL muslims. and all he wants with them is to send them back to their own countries, not killing them in concentration camps

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>>677862153
as a European, I would say this explains it, Trump is not corrupted, I doubt that he would invade another country.
I can only hope that American government will finaly get an honest president that dose not lie to its own people.
Altso, you should pay your debt, before your petro-doller loses it all it value.
fuck the political correct!

>>677865044
I already have, you just don't read the thread >>677857619

It's the least original, most laughable response of the standard "I refuse to learn about socialism" replies.

Idc, I'm from eu

>>677865333
Initially, Hitler was only going to deport the Jews. Later he realized how expensive and unrealistic that was, and the concentration camps were his solution. He didn't campaign on a platform of concentration camps for Jews

>>677865717
you got a point there. there is still hope then I guess.

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>>677865717
>He didn't campaign on a platform of concentration camps for Jews

He might have if he ran for president in the United States in 2016, considering some of these Trump supporters.