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>>677822855

>>677822855

How's highschool?

https://youtu.be/5D1gJ_GygAI?t=1m31s

edgy fedora master

>>677823177
that is probably a lie too

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>>677822855

>>677822855
>fuck it
Your alternative suggestion?

>>677823847

Yea education is a lie.

jk how is middle school?

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>>677822855

itt: wagecucks shouting memes to make themselves feel better about their lowlife

>>677822855

All this is true, but only the smartest will learn how to manipulate the system to their benefit and to win.

That's what makes the game fun.

>>677822855
People who think we can live without a monetary system are fucking retarded

>>677824683
You OP? If yes, I'm still waiting for an answer to this
>>677824323

>protip - ad hominems are not alternatives, and people who post about "wagecucks" tend to be parasitical NEET leeches

>>677822855
the system is not a lie. the system is exploitation. your options are

1) get educated, learn how to use/exploit the system to your advantage.
2) submit to being exploited by the system, never be successful, but till able to make a decent living.
3) say "fuck it" like a retard and commit to a lifetime of poverty and being a hippy that is still supported by the system they refuse to contribute to and everyone hates them.

there are zero other options.

beat the system, join the system, or forfeit your ability to play. pick 1.

>>677825009

You can never beat the system.

You can manipulate it, and learn to understand it better.

That's it.

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>>677824866
Are you not aware that humans functioned for hundreds of thousands of years without a monetary system? Maybe you are the fucking retard that doesn't know history.

>>677822855
Religion is bullshit, mainstream media is boring shit for the average dumb person like you, debt is debt, money is needed in every more advanced society than jungle niggers have.

You're just a kid who wants to know the truth, bur instead of truth it's look like you learn retarded thoughts from some hipster cucks.

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Everyone is saying get beat by it or manipulate it. What about just creating a new system? Check out the Ubuntu movement. Capitalism cannot function around Ubuntu societies. It is entirely possible to live and function in a system without money. Money does not grow our food or build our roads. People do.

>>677825347
Yes, then we got smart and realised that trade was self-restricting.

Or do you refer to earlier, when we were hunter gatherers - because that'll work well now

>>67782528

i would define the word "beat" as being able to claim victory via obtaining a top position... therefore people that are ridiculously wealthy, or wield major political power, have "beat" the system since they are on the top of everything manipulating everything under them.

open your mind op. it's unlikely, but still possible. whether your last name is obama, trump, clinton, or bush, all of those people exploit the system to get to the top of it. sometimes it takes generations. but not always.

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>>677822855

>>677825009

Wait, how do you define success?

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>>677822855
very elaborate thinking

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>>677825347
>functioned for hundreds of thousands of years
>modern form of humans only evolved about 200,000 years ago.
>Civilization as we know it is only about 6,000 years old.
>The monetary system started coming into existence thousands of years before civilization itself.
Sure we functioned, as uncivilized fucking nigger nomads without the monetary system you pleb.

>>677822855
Yeah and dumb shit cults based on movies and history are part of it

Oh Im a in a terror group

This place stinks like a fucking pool of control

All deep web shit


Injected into our society


Fuck the free thinkers making there own shit


Blood runs deep

>>677825861

Trade is so far from self restricting. In fact it is quite the opposite.

>>677826459
Doubt the control

Cause thinking you are free at anytime is an illusion

Given to you by generous people who could stop the world right fucking now

>>677822855
>this isn't a form of manipulation.

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>>677826415
Civilzation "as we know it" That is because you lack understanding about ancient cultures. Sumerians Phoenicians and Egyptians traversed the globe and had huge infrastructures all across Africa and Asia before the flood with no record of any monetary system. But keep thinking you know what the fuck you are talking about

>>677825009
Go off grid and be a hobo.

>Select all the RV'S

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>>677827000
I guess we should just become Sumerians, give up money and live in fucking Africa then? You do that and I will keep my moneys.

>>677827000
LOL wtf? stop watching ancient aliens, bro

>>677827000

All of those cultures had a monetary system.

>>677827326
Money only has value because society believes it does. Let that sink in for a sec.

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>>677827000
>the flood
pic related

>>677826594
No trade is restrictive. If I have roof tiles and want some food, and you have excess food but want timber, I go hungry and you can't build, unless we can find a third party that wants tiles and has wood. The we can set up a 3-way trade. And that's just one commodity each way for each person.

Of course, if we could invent some sort of counter as an independent medium, and assign values in counters to our respective trade wants and surpluses, then.......oh, wait

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>>677827326
lol no we just need the monetary system to be based off something more substantial and concrete than the fucking petro dollar

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>>677827326
Keep your worthless piece of paper that has no real value. While all around you people will continue to build and grow things while your money just sits there doing nothing. Money has no value, people do.

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>>677827578

But you allways have free will no matter what you have a choice, your aurgument is invalid.

>>677827578
Air only has value because our lungs say it does. Let that sink in a min.

>>677827658
Look at any ancient historical record and you will find evidence of a flood almost 20,000 years ago. Its on the pyramids and the Sphinx as well. The flood happened according to our ancient records. Sorry you weren't educated properly.

>>677827673
They call that bartering. You may not need it per say but someone you know might. With the Internet, it makes all of that a perfect setup.

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/this thread

>>677827673
Why couldn't i go get my own timber if i had the food to provide me with the energy to do so. Laziness is what keeps trade restrictive. Stop applying your laziness to economics.

>>677827578

So.......

What is your point?

The value of $1 is roughly equal to a cheeseburger from McDonald's.

So until civilization started, hookers were free? Sign me the fuck up!

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>>677827737

>>677827917
Breathing and living are mutually exclusive, money and living is not. Retard...

>>677826353
option 1.

>>677828120

Perhaps you are too old? Perhaps there are no trees near where you live? Perhaps you lack the necessary tools, equipment, time, experience to chop a tree down, limb it up, and cut it into boards.

Are you retarded?

>>677822855
>Someone lent me money
>How dare they expect me to pay it back!
Retards.

>>677827112
that's option 3

>>677828150
According to the proposed value versus cost of production. It still boils down to belief.

>>677828276
Having money is living, if you don't have it you're just existing.

>>677827917
There is science that refutes your claim. Whereas there is no science to refute the claim that money only has worth because society says it does.

>>677828008
But you still have to find two people with exactly opposite wants and surpluses, unless you have an independent medium. Which is why money was invented
>you also completely missed the irony in my post. But that doesn't surprise me.

Not to be an hero but I'd rather kms than be a hobo beggin for shit I can work for

>>677825769
yes, ive heard dividing a nation is a great way to control it

>>677828567

and also competition

>>677828120
Because you're in a town and all the woods have owners

>>677828409
Poverty essentially means a lack of currency equating to a life of poor quality, that's not necessarily true though.

>>677828120
No I am not retarded, but you don't know that I am already capable of doing everything you just said. You just can't form an actual argument so you have to come up with worthless what ifs. Not only that but We now live in a world where I can use my Type 1 telephone system (The internet) To achieve anything I can't do myself. Are you retarded? Because it sure sounds like it.

>>677828120
So you need to be self sufficient with the skills to do everything.

That's tough - which is why people started to develop and capitalise on specialist skills and abilities.

>>677828685
>Whereas there is no science to refute the claim that money only has worth because society says it does.
>money only has worth because society says it does.
>money only has worth
So... you agree with me then?

>>677828680
Existing is living, it's just not up to your entitled snowflake standards lol

>>677822855

And stupidity to the masses is endemic.

Money is an exchange of value and without actual paper pieces, can be anything you use to store value. Money is just as real as anything else and saves you having to haul around 5000 beaver skins and a bar of gold when it comes time to make a car payment.

Debt is a promise. You are not forced into debt, you decide to go into debt. You denigrate the existence and struggle of all slaves by equating it with voluntarily contracting to pay back a loan. You're a sick idiot.

Media is entertainment, all stories have a point or they aren't stories. All stories are told to manipulate, period, "the media" is no different. you are just angry you don't get to pick the story. Get a job or form your own media company you lazy entitled fucktard.

All hierarchies are means of control and humans are social animals that naturally form hierarchies. You're a thick fucking idiot if you don't get that either. I bet in your "anonymous" group, there is some fucking moron preaching this shit you believe, which means you are being controlled by a quasi-religious hierarchy, idiot.

>>677828680
You can live perfectly fine without money. And be truly happy. Having money is not living. Having money is agreeing to be a slave to a system where you trade your most precious resource, Time to individuals who value that above a piece of paper.

>>677828776
I didn't care about the irony in your post but the Internet completely invalidates the need of currency.

>>677829023
>I can use my Type 1 telephone system (The internet) To achieve anything I can't do myself
How do you currently pay for your internet connection and your computer equipment?

You buy it with money. Your argument is invalid

>>677828685
Yes money only has worth because society says it does and the people who are in power need it to keep us enslaved. As I said before money does not build our reality, people do.

>>677829433
orly?
see
>>677829439

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>>677829204
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

>>677829433 This guy gets it.

>>677827925

They still had money fucktard. The whole system of writing created by the Sumerians was to keep track of tribute and tax payments. Even if it's in sheep, that is "money".

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>>677823683

>>677827578
Actually, money has value because a powerful group of people (your government; with all their guns, tanks, jets and nukes) says it does.

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how many poor faggots hippy faggots ar in this tread lol

>>677829318
Lies

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>>677822855
yeh religion is control. you're totes free from control you atheist edge lords

>top fucking lulz

>>677827925
How could people who lived 5000-7000 years ago possess accurate historical accounts of events that happened 20,000 years ago?

>>677829275
Money does not build the roads, grow the food, build our shelters. Money is an imaginary value created by those who enslave you.

>>677829526
The Internet is there, with or without it. It wouldn't be difficult to get around but I guess you don't know computers or servers that well...

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Your all just a bunch of fucking whiny as children living off your mommy and daddies money. Fuck off and grow up.

>>677829678
You mean the same government that only has the power we allow? Cool story, bro.

>>677828120
Because not all people are equally good at everything.
Maybe the guy with extra timber, has the surplus because he is both stronger and has more stamina, allowing him to cut more timber than you in the same time.
This kind of unrestricted trade also allows experts to form; Instead of doing 50 different tasks for a tiny bit each an every day just to live, you can focus on two or three things alone, allowing you to become better due to practice and perhaps invent new ways or better tools to do that task.
As a result, you have a community with a lumberjack, a fisherman, a smith, etc etc. who keep trading their goods to one another and everyone involved is better off.
In a community with restricted or nonexistent trade, you end up with a part-time lumberjack who is also a fisherman and a smith, just like his neighbor and his neighbor and his neighbor.... And everyone sucks equally at all the tasks.

>>677829439
I'm sorry can you explain to me how a peice of paper keeps servers running and websites updates? Please I would love to know how an inanimate object can do that. Oh wait PEOPLE do that, they give their TIME (A REAL FINITE RESOURCE) for a piece of paper to upkeep the internet. Remove money and the internet can still run, it will still just take people's time. It doesn't stop existing without money.

>>677825347
Those times are commonly referred to as "pre-history". When our ancestors wandered around in packs eating off the land.
The reason the written word developed was because humans needed a way to keep track of stuff they had and stuff other humans owed them. Now we use that same written word to talk shit on the internet.

>>677829985
My father lives with me and only pays for his beer, so fuck off.

>>677828978
i didn't equate poverty with low quality of life. if you want to be a bum and you're happy being a bum then more power to you. you're still going to go to the hospital when you're sick and not pay, and you're still going to use many other society funded facilities that you don't pay for... and thus earn the disrespect and hatred of all those that pay for your free ride. but hey if that's what you want in life, so be it. you are allowed to be happy with that. but it doesn't change the other facts of you being a freeloader.

>>677830101
What are you trying to say?

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>>677822855
Oh, look who watched V for Vendetta for the first time.

This is reality kid, if you don't like it, kill yourself, we have no more room for simpleminded idiots.

>>677830302
That's an awful lot of assuming there.

>>677829692
Truth.

>>677829843

So, people would just all get together and spend time they could be doing other things, to do those things you want, without some kind of reward for doing said thing?

Money is the reward as it can be exchanged for a whole range of goods and services. You're pretty much a fucktard and your lack of understanding behind the abstract concepts that back the words you are poorly using would lead me to believe you are at least somewhat autistic.

If they are paying me in salt, water, food and equipment, that is still "money" to me as it is something I use that is a store of value that I can trade for other things, and has obviously been agreed upon as a store of value so we could get paid in the first place.

See, you're too stupid to understand the difference between "money" and "currency" yet you feel fit to lecture others. Others see you are a fucktard.

>>677830330
The US is full of ignorant people.

>>677829780
The same way they had accurate records of plants and animals of their time? They wrote it down on clay tablets and baked them in the sun to preserve them. Then left them in a cave by the Dead Sea.

>>677830101
I hope you are joking, it doesn't matter a fuck what you allow and what you don't. Only those who have power are in position to give permissions. Normal people are not in this position lmao.

>>677829860
The internet is only there because large corporations invest billions in massive server farms, you fuckwit. It's not a natural resource like air or water.

And these companies are not going to do that for you if all you can offer them is a bag of apples off your tree and a 1000 mile service for their pushbike.

>>677830151
>It doesn't stop existing without money.
True, but it only exists because of money.

>>677830462
You're such a slave. I bet you wear nice clothes, live in comfort, drive a nice car, and don't have to dig your trash out of a dumpster.

>>677828806
This

I used to believe this hippy shit when i was broke and cracked out

I got my life together. Saved and bought a house.

Everyones a commie till they get rich.

>>677830146
You are on the right track, except if you split the mundane stuff up into community tasks then you get to focus the large majority of your time doing or improving your life how you want. A town of 5,000 people working 3 hours a week per person can produce 15,000 labor hours in a week. No amount of money can produce that amount of labor in the capitalist system we have now.

>>677829860

the internet takes constant maintenance and billions of dollars to run. I know as I worked for a wholesale ISP for 4 years as a NOC Supervisor. the internet isn't "just there" and you're a fucking idiot.

>>677830602
>earliest written language is from 3500 BCE
>accurate historical accounts of events that happened 14,000 years prior.
How fucking stupid can you be?

>>677830151
Without money, why would they do it?

>>677830151
No, it exists because people were willing to put their TIME in to create it. Time is a real resource, not money.

>>677830630
Found the idiot.

>>677830663
It certainly wouldn't be the same scale but a trade system wouldn't be hard to maintain. Most of the net is informative fluff, if you will.

>>677830755
I'm not that anon, but that description fits with me.

Jelly much?

>>677830601
So, if the US invades your country and takes over your government, what will your dollar be worth?

>>677822855
Down with whitey!!!

>>677830755

If I was to live at your whims without reward, that would be slavery. You don't even understand the words you are using. You have a poor comprehension of language and your arguments are insipid.

>>677830984
Gee I don't know, maybe they believed in creating a Type 1 civilization, and found a way to create a telephone system that would enable us to do just that.

>>677831095
Think about what you just said and then take into account that I am American. That sounds preposterous.

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>>677830929
It doesn't take billions of dollars to run. It takes people's TIME, which they trade for money.

We should rid the world of money, and jews.. all kinds of jews those who call them selvs christians and those who call them selvs muslim.

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>>677831074
>>677831121

>>677831029

Time, which we measure in the Babylonian method, which was created to be able to measure it and put a value to it. Money can be a measure of that value, but if you do not feel your time is valuable or should be valued, that's your own stupid fucking opinion and I refuse to live by that creed.

>>677831487
So if not money, what would they trade for their time instead? Fucking IOUs?

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People here are actually saying a trade system replacing money would work?

We tried that for thousands of years, then we decided Gold and Silver would be a nice standard and now we trade in Government backed small contracts called "Coins and Bills".

You people are silly. Trying to throw us back in the stone-age.

And these retards probably even leech of my hard earned work rewards.

Get fucked.

>>677831504

Now I know you're a typical ignorant leftist, back you in to a corner where you have to actually use your brain instead of mouthing stupid slogans and you quickly become a monkey flinging poo and sex jokes. Ah, the "enlightened " left strikes again!

>>677831588
Barking up the wrong tree

>>677831383
Ok, then any given country besides America. Use your imagination.

>>677830924
>15,000 labor hours in a week
>No amount of money can produce that amount of labor in the capitalist system we have now.

Hmm, lets see. I'll offer 300 people £1000 each if they work on my project for 50 hours each next week. So that's 15000 hours for £300k
>but no amount of money can produce that amount of labor in the capitalist system we have now.

>>677831588
The USE of the system they created! For putting in their time they could use it to get whatever they wanted. As I said before look up Ubuntu societies and educate yourself on how to live without money.

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>>677831592
Yeah, because carrying 100kg of apples to your ISP for 3 months of internet is SO CONVENIENT.

These fucking people.

>>677831592
No. Replacing money with another form of trade will keep us enslaved to the same process. Time is the resource that is the most valuable to people. It should be the measure not some precious stone, metal, or piece of paper.

>>677831934

You are confused about the difference between "money" and "currency" which invalidates your entire line of reasoning you fucking 15 year old autistic moron.

>>677830830
Spot on mate.
I remember years ago my first encounter with Capital Gains Tax. I was shocked at the idea of having to pay tax on money i had made by investing money i had already earned and paid tax on.

>>677822855
You're really gay.

>>677831875
Too hard, considering I took 4 Nyquil and a xanax bar about 30 minutes ago. Good luck with the thread though.

>>677831934
See
>>677831592
You're taking steps backwards

>>677831934
Try make an Ubuntu society of 7.800.000.000 people over various continents, including religious people that claim they only have to listen to god. And thieves that abuse your free loathing system.

Jesus christ you people are idiots.

>>677830151
>I'm sorry can you explain to me how a peice of paper keeps servers running and websites updates?
Because those pieces of paper keep the necessary people maintaining, debugging, replacing the necessary hardware at their jobs. They do these tasks, because other people give them little pieces of paper as a thanks for their time and effort. They can then use these little pieces of paper to acquire items or services, such as food, or other people to maintain their car, fix the pipes in their house when a leak happens etc etc.
Remove the little pieces of paper, you remove the little people moving behind the curtain. Sure, nothing major would happen int he first day. Not even on the first week.
But then somewhere a server would crash, and no one would be there to reset it. Elsewhere, a virus scanner that didn't receive updates (because no one was at work to write them, because little pieces of paper are no longer moving) fails to quarantine a virus. At a third location, a spark ignites a fire, and while it is extinguished, no one is there to replace the lost stuff with new stuff.
The hardware erodes, internet become smaller and smaller, until all that is left is an aging hardware infrastructure that is falling apart at a faster and faster rate, because thanks to little pieces of paper missing, the little chinese people are no longer slaving away at factories to make replacement components.

>>677832152

Billions of people working together in a community to create a word wide society isn't slavery. You use hot button terms to try to stir up emotional sentiment to back your arguments, but you're just a fucking idiot.

>>677831064
Ad hominem doesn't drive your point home, whilst my point is driven right through your daily life by reality.
How does it feel? :^)

>>677832417
Feels like my meds are kicking in actually.

>>677832318
Anon, stop explaining this to them.
I'm starting to suspect all these faggots are just trolling.
And if they are not, you seriously want to debate these low IQ-ed hippies?

Come on dude, we can use our time better. enjoy our lives instead of trying to convince retards.

>>677832152
Bro youre ripping off that justin timerlake movie where time literally was money and you had to work to get more time on this earth. I saw that movie you fucking hack.

>>677831095
If a foreign invader wants to control your country they will still need a currency for it to operate.
If they are enslaving or wiping you out then it doesn't matter anyway.

>>677832375
>billions of people working together
religion and prejudice have kept that from happening for thousands of years

>>677825769
So simple, it must be bait.

>>677832375
That's worked so well in....well, nowhere and never really.
>except in your dreams and imagination; in never-never land

>>677832222
A guy opened my eyes that we need money.

A doctor doing brain sugery cant be paid like 2 chickens and a goat.

People would have to give up all of their time for that kind of system. For the system I am talking about they work the same hours but instead of giving up 50 hours in a week they give up 3. So they can spend their time the rest of the week doing whatever they want. Who's offer sounds better now? For me, mine I would rather work three hours and do what I want for the rest of the week

>>677832152
But you can measure time that way.
For example, last time i needed someone to dig a hole in my backyard, he charged me 80$ for the hour. Thus, 1 hour of work by that man = 80$.
Or, if you used time as a basic measure, you're still left with the question of "how many pounds of cow meat/fresh water/spices/whatever is one hour of time from my life worth? And how do we measure it consistently?"

>>677832670
You just shit on anon
>applause

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Fucking edge lords in here how's that basement treating you? Money is not happiness, Im not in the one percent but I have most things that would make a person happy, reality is happiness is a lie kid, learn that and you are ahead of the curb, sell other people what they think will make them happy, and live in their lie.

>>677825769
>Fundamental Principles
>(Adapted from UBUNTU South Africa and the work of Michael Tellinger)

>We're still working on this page - check back soon!

Says it all

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>>677832318
Or people would put their time in to maintain a system they use. What a novel idea.

>>677832732

It happens now fucktard. You get resources from all over the world, no matter where you live. This necessitates billions of people working together. Society, by far, is more advanced and interconnected than ever before.

Now your just playing the 80 IQ troll.

>>677832152
One's time is not as valuable as anothers'. That's why that will never work, except in some for of idealistic dream.

>>677824819
how's high school, billy?

>>677832670
No because in that movie people's time was considered more valuable than others, which is not the case. Everyone's time is equally valuable.

>>677827000
>The flood
I was going to reply with a measured and well-thought out rebuttal, but then I realised that you're a retard and it wouldn't go in.

>>677833370

So, everyone is going to get a CCIE and an advanced degree in Micro-Electronics, etc., etc., etc.

The average human lifespan wouldn't even cover 1/10th of the education you would need to personally run your life as it is now or to give an effective contribution to that life beyond what you do now. You're living in Unicorn Fart land in your head.

>>677832375
Not really. You just can't see past your blinders. I'm not using emotion at all. Time is the most valuable resource you have. How is that a hot button term?

>>677825009
>>677825287
>beat the system
>manipulate it
Kek. These people actually think they're not getting dicked. Unless you're making billions you are still taking the D from the system and I'm not excluding myself I very well know I'm part of the masses that are getting fucked but I'm willing to acknowledge my position and that I have no answers or ability to change my position. Since I have no hope of being one of the few with actual power or influence, I will resort to racking up as much debt as possible with the intent to never pay it back as my own personal attack on the monetary system. Call it autistic or futile all you want, it won't change facts and it won't change my opinion.

>>677829203
Wabbit season!

>>677822855
Money replaces the barter system by assigning value to commodities/services

Debt is kinda slavery, then again it makes sense that you don't get something for nothing. Who the fuck is going to invest in you without any return?

Media is manipulation

Religion was comfort for people and enforced societal norms because we're animals when left to our own devices

>>677832729
No the answer is just that simple honestly. Not bait at all.

>>677833582
No it isnt.

I do shit with my life. The freeloading crack head isnt. How are they equal to me?

Life is not fair. People are born into hard lives and easy life. Stop being jealous of what others have. Spend your own time getting yourself better and stop wasting mine.

I should be charging you because im a superior being.

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>>677827000
>the flood
My fucking sides

>>677822855
Fuck off mom quit trying to be edgy

>>677833582

So, if you need a surgeon, you would consider a guy with a knife a good substitute, because his valuable time sharpening the knife is just as valuable as the time the surgeon used to learn to do surgery, right?

You're, at best, a fucking halfwit.

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>>677833099
>seriously responds
>gets

fucking end it now faggot.

>>677833582
wrong, see
>>677833433

>>677832937
Depends on what country you are in and whether said brain surgery consists of breaking your skull open with a rock.
Even then Dr Ooga Booga will still want his 2 chickens and a goat. But yeah, it's still payment.

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>>677822855
kanker op jong

>>677833787

Equating getting a job to "slavery" is definitely an appeal to emotion. Backtrack all you want shitlord.

I understand your halfwitted philosophy better than you do and can list all the books you haven't read yet to get to the real stuff.

Time is of course the most valuable commodity a human has, that does not mean that it cannot be measured and assigned a value and that the value cannot be relative, you non-sequitur champion.

>>677822855
/b/ is 18 +

>>677833856
this, senpai

I'd love to see all these keyboard master schemers that think they have it all figured out about manipulating the system. Its one of the cringiest memes. Unless you're farming for yourself and are entirely self-sufficient, you are reliant on the system somehow. You won't be warren buffet without being a part of the system, and its in his interest to keep you away from it.

Unless you're an inventive genius, good luck scheming your way to the top of anything. Odds are, all of you memeing this are not

>>677834473

You are still dependent on a government to allow you to farm the land and to protect you from raiders. There is no free lunch and that includes the organized societal lunch.

>>677823121
That guy is a juggaLo... No doubt

>>677834226
So we keep repeating the cycle.

Dosent matter which country.

Id offer a bigger payment for one who does my surgery and i live to talk about it

Competition is essential. Capitalism is competition. The human species thrives off competition.

Competition means only the best will survive. Survival of the fittest.

>>677832997
That is an unanswerable question, because you have no idea how much time in this dimensional reality you have. Which requires you to do the most you can in the least amount of time, given you aren't a lazy piece of shit freeloader who has no desire to improve your life. Which does happen of course, but currently lazy freeloaders can still survive because of money. Whereas in a system where you are self reliant lazy people can't just use money to get what they want, which is the whole issue of all the neckbearded mouth breathers in this thread saying we need money. They are either too fat or lazy to go get it themselves so they require money to buy their chicken tendies from McDicks since mom won't make them anymore.

>>677833942
The bait that keeps on baiting. Self baiting baiter.

forgot one

god is real

>>677833582
a doctors time actually worth more than a dishwasher (pay/time worked)

>>677833856

How exactly is the system "fucking" you?

>>677834743
Stop smoking weed. You need more logic and reason.

Stop talking about theories on what time really is and apply yourself to something.

>>677834385
But time is no more than perception of change so how can it be a commodity anon?

>>677834743

You don't base value on what you can't measure, but what you can.

Another fucking moron that doesn't understand the concepts behind "money", "currency" and "value".

>>677834829
Agreed.

Not everybody can be a boss. People need to play their position.

>>677833370
Unfortunately, modern technology isn't quite that simple. It requires literally years of necessary education to somewhat master even a single aspect of what is involved in your modern life. This kind of community mentality works, when you are not reliant on imports from outside the community, and the general technological level doesn't exceed that of the early roman empire.
If creating antibiotics was easy, there wouldn't be a few major corporations making billions off of them - everyone would be cooking their own in their back yards.
If being a trauma-doctor was easy, we wouldn't have first-aid clinics - everyone would just ask help from a random person on the street for same effect.
If manufacturing smartphones was easy, they wouldn't cost in excess of 300$ a pop, because they'd be literally 500 different companies offering them.
If making modern fertilizers was easy, we wouldn't need massive chemical plants to create them ; well, there is always plain old shit, but organic farming produces on average 20-25% less yields for a given farm area, so yay for massive global starvation?
Don't get me wrong, this kind

>>677825861
>Hunter gathering is viable now
Do you know how many people will die of hunger if we switch to this now? Agriculture is responsible for so much population growth it isn't even funny dude.

>>677834061
You're wasting your time mate. The deluded entitlement in some of these posts is incredible. They are either very young or very stupid (both is also an option).

>>677835040

Because it can be measured, compared and a value assigned. Anything that can be measured, compared and have a value assigned can be a commodity.

When you decide whether to waste your time shitposting, working out, or spending time with your waifu, you are making a value judgement based on time. Hence all humans place a value on time innately, so there should be no problem with equating that value to some form of currency or commodity.

See, pretty easy for someone that got out of High School and read more than just the assigned books.

>>677834061
What is to stop the surgeon from sharpening his own knife?

>>677835231

Or just trolling, like this dude.

>>677835364

>>677833433
My time is equally valuable to your time, and there is no way you can measure it otherwise because you don't know how long you are here, and I don't know how long I am here.

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>>677822855
Hell yeah, let's get rid of mobey, government, police, fire departments, hospitals, schools, religion (I'm OK with that one), banks, military, did I miss anything?

Gonna be some world anon. Gonna be some world.

>>677834385
I am not appealing to anyone's emotion when I say that. I am simply stating that To exist in this reality there is no need for a "job" or "money". But keep defending that new world order anon!

>>677835549

We are not measuring future potential time moron, we are measuring how long it takes to do some actual thing, if you don't think it's worth it, don't do it and don't earn any money. Your attitude, spread worldwide, would have a planet full of people that won't even get out of bed because "well we don't know if it'll be worth the time".

And here is something else, you lazy shitlord, some people ENJOY using their time to learn, study, work and be part of society, just because your a useless faggot NEET, doesn't mean everyone else is as well.

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OP is a fag, a damn hippy fag

>>677834740
I was agreeing with you, albeit in a silly way. Payment, money, currency, reinbursement, it's all the same concept.

>>677835549

It has nothing to do with how long anyone will be here. If one person can perform a sercive better or faster than you can perform that same service then his time is more valuable than yours.

How about: the system is flawed but not entirely conspiratorial

>>677835878

So, if someone wants or enjoys what you don't, they are immediately ignorant slaves that need your saving. Sure thing hero, you go liberate the human race and keep on hating on others for liking what you don't like and living a life you are incapable of living.

The reality is there will always be a hierarchy, and always has been. I know, you grew up with a single mother who didn't actually raise you, so you have your doubts, but seriously, all human interactions are based on cooperating hierarchies and any ideals or political philosophies that ignore the existence of human nature is doomed to fail and AT BEST a stupid fairy tail of a weak minded fool.

any thoughts on the venus project?

>>677825347
Amish people use money and look how degenerate they turned out faggot

>>677835060
You can't measure time? What the fuck is my clock doing right now? I understand all of those concepts but you can't understand how time is measured? And I'm the moron?

>>677835934

No, money, value and currency are all three completely different things. Not understanding that is the underpinnings of the hilariously stupid hippy shit we see here.

>>677835192
Agriculture is the only reason human civilization developed in the first place and as you said, we would be royally fucked without it.

>>677836322

I didn't say you couldn't measure time or assign a value to it moron, how about you read it again, your comprehension is shit.

>>677835363
But isn't comparing time exactly how value is assigned to it and isn't that comparison supposed to be based upon the opinion of what provides more value to society?

Also your description and example is almost a copy paste from an 8th grade econ book so maybe you shouldn't act like such a miserable prick and boast about all the non-assigned reading you do.

>>677834977
I apply myself to many things every day. Hence why I am not a lazy shitposter who needs money. I get by just fine without it :)

>>677830179
Pre history doesn't mean pre money you illiterate shit

>>677836512

Well, obviously you didn't read the book, because you asked me to explain an 8th grade concept to you shitposting fucktard. So back the fuck up and finish that 8th grade book and come back with better questions.

>>677835495
Just read that. Yeah, got to be troll.

>>677834829
This is like the guy talking about the knife sharpener's time being just as important as the doctor's time. Why can't the doctor wash his own dishes?

>>677822855

if there wasn't a system in place, we'd all be running around like cavemen still you twat, what else do you want? anarchy? fuck no

communism? fuck no

until someone comes with something better i'm fine with this

>>677836615
Anon now you're just being obvious with your deflecting.

>>677835549
Good grief

>>677822855
achtergrond laptop , dutchfag detected.
kankermongool haha

>>677835192
Yet put any high school graduate on a farm in a practical situation and the majority of them wouldn't have any fucking CLUE how to raise crops. But keep thinking that education is worth something.

>>677825347
The boogaloos in Africa also don't use a monetary system. Maybe that's why they're the paragon of civilization.

>>677825009
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMXzVvv0feU

>>677836667
cause that is not how this system works (sadly)

>>677827917
Fuck air too, it's fake and enslaves us all.

>>677825769
>money can't build things
People paid with money to build things

>>677835897
Or it has the opposite effect, where people say "Huh, I have no idea how much time on this planet I have, so I need to GET SHIT DONE." Which is what I do, not be a lazy NEET faggot who sits in bed. I actually GET SHIT DONE. But feel free to keep making assumptions about people based on your own failures.

>>677837105
We all die because we breathe oxygen which damages the body over time.

>>677828394
Usury is a sin, anon.

>>677837547
Dis shit's actually true oxidation of the telomeres bruh

>>677836216
No they have just been indoctrinated by a system to believe they are only good at their job and they need money to get everything else. I don't hate my fellow man< I just don't want them to continue to piss away their most valuable resource. The Ubuntu movement does not ignore human nature. But if you actually knew anything about it, you would know that. Sorry you aren't willing to give up your time to learn about an ideology that could save our planet. :/

>>677836791

Okie dickwad. What do you consider "society". As far as I can tell "society" puts values on all kinds of things, all the time, and functions just fine.

Or do you mean "society" (as most leftists do) to mean the imaginary thing you have in your head (like Stalin or Mao) where you think your smarter than 7.8 billion people working together and you are just mad they aren't all listening to your brilliant 5 year plan?

You ask me to explain the dead obvious, refuse the answer and then accuse me of deflecting. Sounds like a mildly educated leftist moron, but still a leftist moron.

>>677837267

No I base it on questions I answer and who then replies. You have obviously not been following the whole conversation, spoke out of turn, and got lumped in with a slap to others. Suck it up and follow the whole conversation next time.

>>677837151
But if they weren't paid with money they could still build it. The piece of paper literally does nothing in the process except change hands.

>>677838072
I'm not refusing anything anon I'm just asking questions and you're misplaced anger is starting to make me worry for the safety of you and those around you.

>>677837939
Not that anon, but either 10/10 troll or complete idiot. I kekd

>>677837547
Be that as it may, I could never stay mad at oxygen. Live 80 years with it, or 3 minutes without it.

>>677837939

If you get up every day to work on UBUNTU, that's a fucking job. Whether you get compensated though money or feels, you are still doing a job. Now, if you have no obligations beyond putting in some shitty code, whereas you don't have to debug, fix or patch it when it breaks, then your right, it's not a job, but no one would want you on their team either, because you would be shit at it.

>>677838360

You're a shitty troll and I could care less about your feels, I'm not a brain-dead leftist.

>>677836515
I never suggested pre-history=pre-money. I was questioning the concept of human society functioning without money when the example used (hundreds of thousands of years) wasn't a reasonable comparrison to modern society.

>>677837267
You have been talking to me the whole time I just went back and read the posts. I work two jobs and go to school currently, don't see how that is being a lazy NEET faggot as I said before....

>>677838658

Question, how do you know whether or not people used "money" for hundreds of thousands of years? As far as I can tell the historical record on what humans have and have not done over the last few hundred thousand years gets revised everyday........

religion is out of sense so no one can manipulate it. you loose everything when reading it, so who could want it ? the true book

>>677838568
For such an intelligent enlightened person you seem to make a lot of assumptions and if I'm such a bad troll why do you keep responding and why are you getting so upset?

>>677838467
But you don't get up everyday to work on UBUNTU, talking out of ignorance is no way to refute logic anon. You work three hours a week for Ubuntu and spend the rest of the time improving your life.

>>677838799

So, you do assign a value to your time, rendering your whole line of questioning somewhat insipid.

Read the other things I wrote, all your questions have been answered in this thread. If you have something more specific than philosophizing over what the word "is" is, then get back to me.

>>677825769
>How to control a nation.
>Divide
Lol.

>>677839035

Three hours a week is a job. You, apparently, have not been in a position where you have to work more than one part time job to maintain your lifestyle. Anytime you make a commitment to do something on a timely basis that is work, and if it is a long term commitment, that is a job. That is the same reasoning behind why being a housewife is still a job.

>>677839377
facts bruh you can't dispute them

>>677838928

You don't know me well enough to judge my emotional state. This is the same level of assumption I am making, thus making us equals.

I answer because I can and want to, you don't control me, I am not your slave, fuck off.

Intelligence doesn't equate to enlightenment, but I seem to know more about this subject than you do.

>>677822855
anynymys was fun back in the days now is just a bunch of social justice faggots

>>677839106
Of course I value my time, everyone does. IT IS YOUR MOST VALUABLE RESOURCE. One you have no knowledge of how much of it you actually have. I don't have any questions. I am the one answering the questions in this thread on how we can survive without money. You were the one accusing me off trying to send us back to the stone age rather than turn us from a Type 0 into a Type 1 civilzation.

>>677839586

You can survive without "currency", but not without "money". There must be some measure of "value".

You don't understand any of those concepts and the difference between them, so why should anyone care about your stupid opinions on economics?

>>677827737
like; unless people betrade for money