>>677625857
Nobody is a good candidate. The US is fucked.

>>677626115
/thread

I feel like this thread will be lacking arguments

If you still think the president does anything you're a fool. President is a puppet that has no to little power. So pick what puppet you want to support. Look at who funds your candidate and that's who you are truly voting for.

>>677625857
We're not talking about a socialist economy. We're talking about wealth distribution within a capitalist economy. We've done it several times before (in response to the labor question back in the 1800s for instance). It promotes a healthy middle class. I shouldn't need to debate those merits.

>>677625857

He's not going to win, be sure of that, but he will (in my very humble opinion) be the catalyst that starts a revolution in this country.

His ideas are out there, I agree, and Congress would never let him do all the stuff he wants accomplish, but slowly, people will realize that a change needs to occcur, and that transition from the standard model of politics starts with him.

>>677625857
He acts like a salesman a desperate salesman.

>>677625857
I swear to god I'm not a druggie;
Sanders will save America billions of dollars by ending the failed war on drugs that has going on for 40 years. Legalizing weed, as well as other drugs, will save billions on law enforcement, incarceration, and we get additional tax revenue.

>>677626432
Then vote trump. He funds himself.

>>677625857
Well, are you making more than $500k/year?

>>677626765
And then we can have an entire generation of youtubes customgrow420. Thank god we can't save tax money by cutting politicians pay/benefits, the 6 year unemployment terms, the billions we give ti israel just for...

Don't get me wrong, im all for legalization but the whole "it saves tax money" thing is bullshit. They're only proposing to legalize it because he knows if he does all the lazy stoners who never would have never gotten off their ass will now get out to vote for him.

>>677627047
I know I am. And I look at my friends who make less but work harder. My friends who went to college but never fully applied themselves, or maybe just didn't make the right connections. I see the gap between our lifestyles, and it's far too large. Sure, I earned my position. That doesn't mean they deserve theirs. I'm ready to admit that this country has a problem.

Pretty much every scandinavian country has always been socialistic and we are doing pretty well off!

Bernie isn't a Socialist. Hes a social democratic shill

>>677627413
I see this debated between Scandinavians pretty often. Can you guys make up your minds already.

>>677625857
He isn't owned by Jews

Everything else is secondary

>>677627413
No they aren't there social democratic. there is a huge difference.

Jew. Never getting in the White House.

>>677627236
being this autistic

Well that's easy. Bernie is the candidate you should vote for because the other candidates are.

A) A lying, murdering bitch who can't admit she's gay.
B) A religious nutjob who caves as soon as he's challenged.
C) A incestuous pervert who doesn't actually have the spine to fuck his own daughter.

>>677627619
that is why i wrote socialistic, not socialists.

>>677627521
What has been debated? Not much to say really. Top lists of happiest people on earth and you will see most of the Scandinavian countries in top 10

>>677627236
Except Hillary also wants to legalize it. It's become a mainstream idea after being tested in many states. This is just typical political progression, not some scheme on the part of Bernie Sanders.

>>677627856
Whether or not Scandinavia is prospering. Apparently there are problems with motivation and immigration, which stem from the socialist policies. I don't know much about it though, you guys always end up switching out of English, and I've been too lazy to look it up.

>>677626866
pretty sure that still means hes funded by a retard

>>677627856
>highest consumption of anti depressants
I guess pharmaceutical happiness, is still happiness

File: 1459206404587.png (40 KB, 583x265) Image search: [Google]

40 KB, 583x265

>>677627236
A dose of Buckley puppet detected

>>677625857
what is better? wasting X money on wars overseas that have brought nothing but problems here and abroad, on the drug war, on broken obamacare, on wallstreet tomfoolery, on constant retroactive fixes to problems caused by money in politics etc

or stop wasting all that money on that, and spend a small part (or lets even entertain the notion that we would need all the money we just saved even though we dont)

on getting a single payer healthcare or even just government subsidised healthcare. and getting government subsidised education?

both are a waste of money argueably, but if even 1 % of kids that are smart enough for college can go deth free through college and 1% of cancer victims does not have to apply for bankruptcy wouldn't it be better to spend the money on that instead of all the useless "do nothing good for us" wars?

Even if he is crazy (and he kinda is) hes far better then shillary, the trumpster, or any religifag nutcase. and with him at leas you dont need to worry that his super crazy ideas will make it to fruition, since he wont be able to compromise with congress or whatever like the other shills will

>>677627610
But he's a Jew himself???

>>677625857
>Debate his standings
>Trump can't even debate his own standings
>>Bern sucks less than Clinton, Trump, and the child predator

>>677626866
He lent his own campaign millions of dollars, which obviously he intends to get back via voter contributions.

>>677627236
the only difference between bernie and shillary on this topic is that shillary recently changed her opinion to legislation for votes like she does with everything. and bernie has been in the legalising movement since practically day 1

>>677625857
It's has more preparation than Hitlery Clinton, and the Dolan

He is not thaat good, but will solve some issues without ruining the country like Hitlery of Dolan would do.

>>677628987
shillary < owned by jews < jew < not a politician

>>677629270
I dont know it seems like some of his ideas could fail horribly

>>677628242
depression is not stigmatised thanks to socialist healthcare.

Its the same deal as cancer diagnoses in the UK are way higher then in the USA and even WAY higher then china even though china is practically filled with carcinogenic smog.

Better healthcare means better diagnoses even if more diagnoses take place.

>>677629399
Trump's ideas would be worse for example, a wall can't keep away the entrance of immigrants, it would be a big waste of money

And Clinton uses the classic (cliché) discourse, she doesn't give a fuck about people or the country

Bernies ideas may fail, but it would do less damage in comparison to Trump's or Clinton's plans

>>677629399
name one idea that trump has that has a chance at not failing horribly.

name one idea shillary came up with herself, or she is the primary strongman for.

name one idea the religinut has that is not just JEBUS!

bernie has controversial ideas that could crash and burn, but also could remedy partially or fully the biggest issues this country has... there is no perfect candidate, but at least he knows what the problems are and has some solution he wants to try.

>>677629687
I was just showing that even though they are the happiest countries, it is pharmaceutical happiness.

>>677629966
>>677630007
>i think his ideas could fail horribly
Hurrr durr trump though!
Glad we could talk about bernie without the deflections

>>677630051
i see, sorry i misunderstood.

Thats a fair point, you could argue chemical happiness is not a fair comparisment to "natural" happiness

>>677630179
We could, but you'll need to be more specific. What plans of Bernie's concern you?

>>677630179
in the end we have to pick one candidate from the available ones, so comparing them to the other is only fair.

if trump wasnt one of the big candidates i would agree with your argument but the chance he is going to be the presidential candidate for his party is more then real and if bernie becomes the one for the dems its either trump or him... so again, the comparisment is a fair and real one

File: yNen4e9.gif (787 KB, 500x250) Image search: [Google]

787 KB, 500x250

>>677630465
Bernies plan for healthcare concerns me. To implement this plan, there will be alot of reworking of our current healthcare system. Currently there is something like this happening in the healthcare industry. It is the process of making all records electronic, a great idea, but to implement this you jad to purchase top of the line equipment. Small doctors offices couldnt handle it, and they had to shut down their practice. Bernies plan will cause the same type of ripple through the system, and put some independent doctors out of work. Another thing is alot of people are employed by inaurance companies, once this becomes single payer, the number of jobs will shrink. So yes we will have single payer, but now people will lose their livelihood.
>>677630504
No the comparison is merely deflection and if trump wasnt in the race, i jave no idea what bernie supporters would use as an argument.
>mfw almost every pro bernie argument is boiled down to "but trump wants"

>>677631189
>lets not compare candidates and only look at them individually.

what?

you make some good points about single payer though. although i feel there will always be a disturbance if you fix the problems in the system no matter how you fix it. So the only way leaving those jobs guaranteed intact is to not fix the problems nand i feel that is unacceptable

>>677631189
I appreciate your speculation, because this is the topic I know the most about.

The switch to electronic records isn't a fair comparison. This was a new technology that was expensive not only to implement, but to teach employees. That's not very comparable to simply getting your money from somewhere else (the government instead of private corporations).

That said, you're right, there are a lot of jobs in the insurance industry that are at risk. There also are a lot of similar jobs that will need to be created. It's pointless to debate those specifics without an actual plan.

So, what is his plan? Apparently it's not make sure things stay functional, and if possible switch us out of the private sector. If you remember how hard that was with Obama, you can expect it to be harder with Bernie's plan. At the very least, we can expect it to jump through a lot of hoops/checks.

>>677625857
No, he's a fucking jew. I am not following a nigger up with a jew.

Hilldawg '16

>>677625857
>>actually debate the merits of a socialist economy
>implying bernie sanders is a socialist

He's a social democrat who calls himself a socialist cause fatmeritards are too stupid to know the difference.

>Socialism: people control the means of productions, i.e. industries, farms, etc are nationalised
>Social democracy: capitalist system of private ownership where the government provides a social safety net and welfare.

>>677625857
He has never accepted lobbyist money and wants to get money out of politics.

>>677632446
Yes. The thread is about bernies positions. Focus on him and his plans. By comparing you are deflecting. You are using the shittiness of someone else to make bernies plans seem better. This thread is to dissect bernies plans.
Also there are ways to keep the jobs and fix the system, but it isnt single payer.
Also bernies education plan is flawed as well. For one, higher ed is not where we need to fix education, it is k-12 that needs fixed. Make a high school diploma the standard again, and let people who want to continue their education go to college. Anymore 4 year universities have becone glorified trade schools, that isnt how a university should be used. Once you make the standard a high school education, not everyone will feel pressured to go to college. This will make them compete for students and help drive down tuition. I also dont like the idea of having the government in control of our universities. If they have a budget problem, well there goes funding

>>677625857

do you like hillary clinton?

trump can't win so voting for him is just letting hillary win

so the only logical vote is for the old jew. sure he is crazy and won't be able to do half the shit he promises but its still a safer bet than hillary.

>>677633311
He's a fucking kike, he doesn't need lobbyist money he secretes his own gold using a special jewish organ.

>>677632855
So you are saying that the system wouldnt have to be reworked?

>>677633725
Computer system that is

There's also the fact that Bernie literally cannot fucking win at this point. It's only barely mathematically possible with the proportional allocation system, and in reality it's fucking impossible full stop.

>>677633725
I'm saying he wants to rework out system, but in order for his rework to move forward, it'll probably be reworked a lot itself. It depends a lot on how congress' elections go. They'll probably lead republican.

>mfw this whole election was a shill so Hillary will win

>>677633892
Sorry i meant the hardware in hospitials and clinics. Do you think they could use the same software? Or would they have to get a new program, which can only be used on new hardware?

>>677633795

2,383 needed for nomination · 2,042 still available

>2000 available
>have 1000
>need 1000
>impossible

File: 1.png (552 KB, 720x400) Image search: [Google]

552 KB, 720x400

>>677634082

she sure is a sneaky cunt. wonder how much she paid trump to kill a party he wasn't even a member of

>>677625857
The more accessible education becomes, the less tards we will have.

>>677633149
you're sort of right. most modern socialists dont advocate for nationalization, but rather for direct democratic control by the workers.

>>677634107
Bernie has said nothing about changing the infrastructure of our medical system, in terms of things like record keeping. Nor would it make sense for those systems to be changed at this point. If anything, the government is notorious for stagnating on things like software development.

>>677634691

>lower the standards
>everyone gets a degree
>you don't even have to try
>we is educated now i gots a paper to prove it

>>677634571
Yeah, Trump is here to split the republican vote.

Look at the voter suppression in Arizona. Seems extremely shady

>>677634924
Valid point. It just concerns me because i could see them wanting to throw out the current systems, and bringing in new systems to help "stream line" the process

>>677625857
Test

>>677634416
It's not so cut and dried when you're using a proportional allocation system.

Another way of looking at the problem -- the only way to look at it with a proportional system -- is to see how much past performance would need to change in order to bridge the delegate gap.

R&D ran the numbers and that old fucking kike needs to outperform earlier results by 25% in a much more difficult electoral landscape.

That means your jew needs to start winning by 20% margins to even have a hope of victory, and he needs to do it in states like NY and CA where he trails by large margins.

That semite faggot is cucked by my girl H-Dawg, bet on it.

>>677634967
This is how community college already works. It helps a lot.

>>677635170

his numbers should improve now that all the niggers in the deep south are done voting for hillary.

california and new york are critical for sure though but a large part of the deficit he is facing right now = deep south niggers from states that will go red anyways

not a bernie fan just trying to be realistic here

>>677626650
Like the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia you mean?

>>677635101
Agreed, it seems unlikely for Bernie's plan to be implemented. That's what tells me that if it did happen, it would have to be well vetted. Still, all we can do is speculate. The question is, given Bernie's past performance, do you trust him to push such a bill through the vetting process?

>>677635618
Not really. I could see congress maybe upping the income level for medicaid to compromise.

>>677629300
Trump isn't a politician.
So by your logic
shillary < owned by jews < jew < Trump

>>677630007
You're kidding right? Trump is considerably moderate meaning his ideas have a better chance of being passed then bernie

>>677625857
>Convince me that Sanders is a good candidate.
He's not Hillary.

>>677630051
Anti depressants dont make anyone happy tho. They only numb all feelings.

>>677627610

What makes you think these kikes aren't gonna do to him what they did to JFK for not wanting to follow their kike agenda?

>>677636120
>a human brain is made of many unique "circuits"
>each functions with its own neurotransmitters
>in each, neurotransmitters have differing functions
>anti depressants throw the same neurotransmitters at all the brain in the same levels
>people wonder why they don't work and have terrible side effects

File: a20160331183102194.jpg (30 KB, 640x368) Image search: [Google]

30 KB, 640x368

>>677625857

I beat hardmode

https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/01/14/170-economists-bernie-sanders-plan-reform-wall-st-rein-greed.html

http://www.budget.senate.gov/democratic/public/index.cfm/2015/7/top-economists-are-backing-sen-bernie-sanders-on-establishing-a-15-an-hour-minimum-wage

>>677636013

>trump would win a national election
>trump wouldnt be assassinated
>trump is anything more than a hillary supporter killing the republican party
>saying radical things to piss people off is moderate

>>677635529
He knows

>>677636443
Also especially SSRIs have horrible withdrawls but they still prescribe them like candy instead of RIMAs which actually work and dont have any withdrawls

>>677634967
>education = degree

Degrees are already worthless, I'm talking about actually getting smart.

>>677637028
Coming from someone that never went to college or even out of his mothers basement . always repeats this statement so he won't feel stupid or worthless.

>>677637028

we have more access to information now than ever with 100% internet access and people are ignorant as fuck and just watch worldstarhiphop videos of niggers fighting each other

thinking everyone will be educated is a fucking pipe dream. its already hard to even make some of these niggers literate or able to do basic addition/subtraction before they go to jail

>>677633354
Government would have (limited, as pertaining to budget) control over public universities. Private universities can continue doing their business. And anyway we're already subsidizing universities quite heavily with loans, scholarships and research funding.

>>677625857
Bernie sanders wants to punish me for being an earner, adequately preparing for my life and the lives of my children, and not being a dope head welfare leech. He's not a good candidate

File: BernieSanders-College3.jpg (690 KB, 1896x1508) Image search: [Google]

690 KB, 1896x1508

>>677637321
Are you fucking stupid? They will be stealing all of the money people could be spending on private universities, and at the same time out competing private universities cost wise. So basically it closes down good schools and causes government propaganda boxes to grow enormously while simultaneously numbing down the curriculum.

File: 1456975708711.jpg (235 KB, 843x843) Image search: [Google]

235 KB, 843x843

2/3 of Vermont needs to be cleansed and the land given to sane White people. The fact that this fucking kike has been in the senate this long shows that the people up there are mixing draino in their maple syrup.

>>677637363
Really? I thought he wanted to fix a growing wealth gap and a diminishing middle class, which if left unchecked will risk the prosperity people like you and me enjoy. Amazing how to people in similar positions reach radically different conclusions. It must not have much to do with the money we earn.

>>677625857
He is better than cliton

>>677637238
lol
>>677637246
I didn't say everyone will get an education. I just said there would be less tards.

File: 687474703a2f2f332e62702e626c6f6773706f742e636f6d2f2d514d645153744d733457412f565a3137346f444a6d2d492f41414141414141414331512f5a356b47654c684f6e46772f73313630302f73616e64657273666978742e6a7067.jpg (406 KB, 1600x1309) Image search: [Google]

406 KB, 1600x1309

niggerfag reporting in. Fuck sanders. The only one who will liberate us black men and give us real jobs, keep us from being vote based welfare slaves, is TRUMP

>>677625857
He probably isn't the best candidate out there, as much as I think Trump should win, I must agree some of Trump's ideas are outdated and some of Bernie's ideas are quite good. I believe healthcare should be free or as a much better alternative have a scaling pay system so students and poor people can actually afford healthcare. As for college I mostly think the costs are fine and motivates people to finish college and get a job so they can pay off their debts. However, college could do with a lowered cost, as the money may be too much to pay for some people. STEM students certainly won't have trouble paying the loans, but some other areas may have some trouble. Especially as some of those areas are very hard to find jobs on.

>>677627657

Cut the shit grandpa. We don't need you going on a rant about how bad 'Nam was again. Fucking baby boomers....

Coming to 4chan for political advice or reason is like going to the ghetto for a degree.

>>677637494
>So basically it closes down good schools
Except that's not what happens in countries with public education, and intellectual freedom in universities is actually handled pretty well.

File: 6a00d8341c2c6053ef0162fd15ec38970d-350wi.jpg (19 KB, 280x317) Image search: [Google]

19 KB, 280x317

>>677637620
Clinton is a treasonous witch who will be in GITMO after TRUMP is elected. So that's not saying anything at all.

>>677637257
Saying Democratic Socialism is Socialism is like saying a Sea Lion is just a Lion.

>>677637610
Any(more) money out of my pocket to pay for anything(else) for anyone else(see welfare leeches that don't deserve it. Some do and that's ok) is a problem to me. I hit a higher tax bracket this year and I already pay for too much free shit for too many people.

File: c8a5e38ec095712ba2588d1f2b2d0a272214648616378b7c315dd2f23cf80b2d_1.jpg (726 KB, 1704x1696) Image search: [Google]

726 KB, 1704x1696

>>677637836
Socialist healthcare FUCKS healthcare quality and raises expense. The ONLY THING sanders plan will do is FORCE everyone to pay into the corrupt big pharma monopoly and degrade healthcare even more. The only thing that can fix healthcare cost and quality is FREE MARKET COMPETITION.

>>677637744
>trump
>liberate black people
You're going back to Crapfrica or into FEMA camps, guy.
Stop acting like banana-peeling degenerates and you can remain a part of civilization.

File: 1459612467387.jpg (44 KB, 651x487) Image search: [Google]

44 KB, 651x487

>>677637944
It's not bad cancer, it's the good cancer.

File: 1934792_10154549586676686_3549101617418065665_n.jpg (33 KB, 500x389) Image search: [Google]

33 KB, 500x389

>>677637944
No you fucking idiot. Saying democratic socialism is not socialism is like saying democratic rape is not rape. Just because you and your gang of SJW CUCK buddies decide to band together and STEAL from the populace doesn't mean you have a moral right to.

>>677638113
Maybe if Bernie gets elected you can go back to school and figure out how words put together change other words.

>>677637319

top right picture. two hardworking positive employees get pay raises but i am supposed to feel bad for the fat lazy piece of shit that got fired?

bottom middle lol @ "muh gold and silver currency" being a thing. dumb as fuck

top middle, bottom right - unrelated cartoons

top left - no problem with this if the guys in the kitchen get a raise

bottom left - no proof in coorelation. literally showing years where unemployment rates were increasing across the board unrelated to minimum wage

>>677637944
No. You're wrong.
If socialism is a red apple, democratic socialism is a green apple.

A Sea Lion is still a Sea Lion, and a Lion is still a Lion.

>millenial logic
Your generation is fucked. No wonder you can't fucking keep wives/girlfriends/fwbs.

>>677638071
You're suck a faggot. You wouldn't have gotten to where you are if it wasn't for government infrastructure, regulation, and subsidies.

Richfags like us need to pay our fair share. It's a badge of honor, not some fucked up obligation.

>>677625857
>Convince me that Sanders is a good candidate.
>debate the merits of a socialist economy

Pick one, faggot.

File: 1372398473828.gif (370 KB, 480x360) Image search: [Google]

370 KB, 480x360

>>677638192

File: 993848_607342449413561_6031510775653673823_n.jpg (44 KB, 720x543) Image search: [Google]

44 KB, 720x543

>>677638108
Get out of here you fucking racist troll. You're making up scenerios in your head that do not exist. Trump has actively combatted racism and has a very diverse staff and has given jobs to thousands of black people. What the fuck has sanders done? Steal from me and my families by living off the tax payers dole? Fuck that racist bastard.

>>677628166
Kek

>>677638345
It's ok.
I'd be upset too if I flung my own shit and wore my pants around my ankles while scoring nothing but fat/used white women and she-neegs.

>>677637610
Same guy. It is amazing. That's the beauty of America. We are allowed our opinions and have the right to voice them on our Vietnamese Bitcoin farming forums without the fear of legal repercussions. Sure is nice.

>>677628242
Better living through chemistry

File: 1456972746314.jpg (91 KB, 428x427) Image search: [Google]

91 KB, 428x427

>>677638227
Yeah ok bud.

>>677638106
>that image
>comparing who can buy more burgers after taxes
pft, what do you think those taxes buy. What would happen if one of the workers needed medical attention?.

File: x-1.jpg (89 KB, 676x483) Image search: [Google]

89 KB, 676x483

>>677628166
So you must literally be a brainless fucking jellyfish if a retard can make more money than you.

>>677638643
They buy services a healthy populace rarely uses

>>677638071
It's pretty crazy how high taxes get. Losing most of your money to the government gets old fast, I hear you. But it's also about return investment. It's not so bad when it works. A better educational system means better competition in the global economy - and considering our shift to task automation, we're going to need a paradigm switch in the type of labor employ anyway (towards jobs which require more education). This is a bottom line that hasn't been raised in too long.

As for social welfare programs, most of them actually save money. If implemented better, they certainly can. Many independently verified studies throughout the world have shown their effectiveness in decreasing the rate of crimes and increasing economic transactions (stimulating growth). It all comes down to one real question though - the same question that always comes up.

What if government gets too big?
Personally, thats a risk I'm willing to take for now.

>>677638643
Well if they had a serious issue that would likely DIE while waiting, or get an inferior doctor if they aren't part of the political class. Do you have any idea how many medical refugees come to the USA to pay for healthcare out of pocket because it's illegal in their country and they will die without free market healthcare? Of course you don't cuck faggot. Banning rich people from using new expensive technologies will just health healthcare progress and stagnate the economy even more. Before this socialist healthcare bullshit started 70 years ago you could get healthcare for $60 a year in america. The extremely high cost is DUE TO PAST SOCIALIST FAILURE.

>>677638842
Not true. Most people pay private health insurance in america.

File: good story.jpg (25 KB, 560x315) Image search: [Google]

25 KB, 560x315

>>677638071

yeah you are paying for the GOP to give huge checks to their buddies in lockheed martin, BP, corn subsidies etc.

corporate welfare is the grossest abuse of your tax payer money but the GOP is fine with "Muh military, muh defenses, muh gasoline, muh big truck, muh cornsyrup in everything"

>>677638974
>stagnate medical progress
That sounds reasonable, but it's not true by any metric I can find. Medical research in Europe is competitive with America's

>>677639206
You think it's just the GOP doing this?

>>677638285
what exactly are you saying? That if the government wasn't taking my money and giving it to crackhead single mothers of 12 or lazy fucks who don't want to work then I wouldn't have been able to establish a hard worker mentality to earn my position where I am and make good choices like not doing drugs and robbing gas stations so I can keep my job where I earn my income? Or are you bringing up infrastructure and corporate regulation like I'm saying we don't need that. Cause I never said that. We need the things we need. We don't need to pay for Sha'kwonda and her crack babies from 14 different daddies. We don't need to pay for Tyreke the dope dealer's food stamps so he can spend his hard earned dope money on twinny-foes fo da whip. We do need to pay for police, roads, and ambulances. We do need to hold companies accountable with regulations. We do need to help children who can't help that their mother is a junkie. Not give the junky mother a check that she's not going to help her children with.

>>677639478
I'm saying you don't get to pick and choose, cuck. Welfare sucks but I'd rather 10 people who don't need it get on the program than let one White mother die in the street poor and alone.

>>677639643
Or leave all 11 to their own devices and we won't have to worry about 11 burdens on the system.

>>677639191
Then that is there choice. With single payer, you lose the choice. You are forced to pay for something you may not want to purchase

File: media deception.jpg (92 KB, 700x934) Image search: [Google]

92 KB, 700x934

>>677639457

of course not but only the GOP pretends like a significant amount of their tax money is going to "those damn lazy niggers" while lockheed martin is getting a TRILLION dollars to build a plane that doesn't even work

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/03/the-f-35-a-weapon-that-costs-more-than-australia/72454/

>>677639797
Paying taxes is not a burden to me. If it's a burden to you I suggest you man the fuck up and make more money.

>>677639904
Make more money? So more can be taken from anon?

>>677639841
Checkmate

>>677640082
Yes.

Climbing tax brackets is my fucking hobby.

>>677639643
Human life is not precious. And that white mother who's at risk of dying alone in the street probably landed herself there with poor decision making skills. This is where better education would have played a part. If she had made good choices she wouldn't be in that mess and it's not my responsibility to pay for her bad choices. But I would gladly see my tax dollars go to a rehab program to get her methed out sorry ass straight and a CPS program to house and feed her kids until a licensed agent says she is fit to parent again.

>>677640082
He meant save more of your shekels.

>>677639841
>give money to a corporation
>corporation employs thousands of people
>corporations purchase materials
>not only are blue collar workers employed, hundreds of stem degree hilders are employed
>implying this is a bad thing

>>677627619
isnt sanders a democratic socialist??

>>677640271
But it is, you live in a first world country. If helping out your neighbor really hurts that much go move to Africa.

>>677640359

a fucking trillion dollars for a plane that doesn't even work faggot. literally nothing to show for $1,000,000,000,000

you can employ every unemployed person in america to build 100 fucking walls back and forth across the southern border of the united states and it would be cheaper

this is literally the most ignorant waste of money in the history of the world and you are defending it.

>>677639904
Not a burden on me
>burden on the system
Unless I am the system
>were fucked

>>677640614
It wasnt a complete waste is all im saying. Even if they failed, they still learned

>>677628987
the only candidate to want a 2 state solution in israel and the only one who didnt go kiss aipacs ass

>>677640614

>but muh taxes so high from welfare

>>677640824
Or how about a candidate that wants a one state solution
>Palastine

>>677640832
>taxes that employ and help research new methods of flight
>taxes to help a NEET

>>677640818
YOKAY

Hows it feel to know that 100s of people walked away with billions of our money just because they could.

>>677640566
No. It isn't. In 50-75 years we will all be dead. And that's such a short time in the grand scheme of things. Some people see this as an excuse to live stupid. I see it as I only have so long to make sure my kids are educated enough that they live in reality. And not frufru blowjobs and rainbows land where everything is handed to them if they are lazy enough and pump out enough kids to cry to Obama to "pay for all these kids" imo if people want to pay for social programs to help these individuals then that's very fair to let them. I've seen enough junkies and dope heads and all around bad decision makers in my short time here to know that I don't want to help them when I got out of my wreck of a life on my own. They can too but they're too lazy. And to make me pay for it by forcing it on me with taxes is absolutely not fair or something I as an individual with but one vote to cast will vote for.

>>677641066
Feels fine when some of that money went to employ people

File: lost hope.jpg (80 KB, 766x960) Image search: [Google]

80 KB, 766x960

>>677640818

all we learned is that america would rather literally throw hundreds of billions of dollars into a pit and light it on fire than give a dime to social programs

that you can literally get away with robbery as long as its a defense budget bill even though nuclear weapons have made traditional armies and air to air combat nearly irrelevant and the trillion dollars didn't even produce a more combat effective plane if it was relevant.

>>677641053
This is just one example of wasteful military spending, get over yourself. I'd rather see that money goto iinfrastructures/education any day.

>>677641261
>implying you know what they learned
Sorry bud. I see it as a better use of tax dollars. This money employed people, furthered research, and did a lot more than helping people who dont want to help themselves

>>677638071
ok job creator
would you rather hire three retards at min wage or an educated prick for 2/3 of their salary?
its so fucking bad here tech companies are importing skilled workers

>>677641462
>lets cut money to a huge sector of employment
>use that money to pay for education
>the educated now dont have a huge sector to work for
Thats smart bud

>>677641158
See: Nordic Countries

>>677638106
>socialist healthcare raises expense
>even after obamacare US spends more on healthcare for worse outcomes than any other country

>>677627839
Ivanka has to get that small loan somehow

>>677641163

>126,000 employees
>1,000,000,000,000 dollar contract

it cost 7.9 million dollars per employee to build a plane that doesn't work

in reality it was much more expensive than that because this is only one of their projects funded by your freedom bucks

>>677641754
Again. It employed people, and they used this as a learning opportunity. But go ahead and feel free to give your money as a handout, at least you will have that warm fuzzy feeling

>>677638974
can tell anon is right winger
>dem caps lock

>>677641754

They will never comprehend. I'm from USA and this our logic.

>>677641971
>implying creating jobs is bad

>>677640832
>my taxes really are high from corporate welfare

>>677625857
As a Eurofag...
Everybody is fucking shit-tier, every candidate you guys have sucks and you are probably fucked.

Sunders just does not seem like a complete fucking dipshit.

Trump is a fool, Hillary is a lying bitch, Bernie repeats one phrase and has no idea how economics work.

That's my 2 cents.

File: kurt cobain.jpg (69 KB, 599x415) Image search: [Google]

69 KB, 599x415

>>677641938

>we used it as a learning opportunity

no we fucking didn't. they are literally talking about scrapping the project without even completing it because it didn't meet any of the standards any branch of the military wanted it to meet.

fucking sheep will defend anything though and blame the "damn illegals and blacks and arabs for ruining america" while your government gives trillions to corporations that are robbing you blind

>>677633501
Fuckin kek

>>677625857
Higher degree of population educated = a good way to improve economy,and to turn low-tier citizens to a higher grade.

>>677642288
I mean, what do you expect? Notice how it got quiet here so quick when someone says facts or uses logic.

>>677641651
>free market capitalism
>handing tax dollars to defense companies for literally nothing
you can only choose 1 m8

>>677636515
>Implying companies won't just pack up and leave the U.S. entirely if made to pay for this load of bull
>Implying people are all robots that would've along with this
Hardmode has yet to be beaten.

>>677642422
It also improves our ability to compete in the global economy, and helps prepare us for the huge amount of jobs we're about to lose to Artificial Neural Networks.

>>677642288
>corporations are evil
So you are telling me we didnt learn about complicated engineering or anything at all from this project? Are you an aerospace engineer at lockhead? No you arent? Oh well tell me again how spending tax dollars on welfare parasites is a much better use of the money.

>>677642616
>making comparisons that do not match up
Pick 1.
When was the talk about free markets?

>>677641656
Nigger I don't give a shit what happens in a country the size of my fucking state. Plus those countries don't have a "slang dope fug school" mindset that occupies the brains of a vast majority of the people benefitting from my tax dollars that go to social welfare programs. You take a state sized chunk of land and fill it with self worth centered smart people of course socialism works. But here where going to jail is something to be proud of for a welfare leech and "muh spinners" and "muh dope boi fresh" are more important to those people then the smart people have got to start just taking care of their individual situations and let those too stupid to figure life out to deal with their own problems.

>>677642694
Once again, USA logic

>>677642082
>make shit tons of guns
>hand them out for free
>people get shot
>at least we created jobs for police and EMTs

its that kind of shit logic thats kept the drug war raging for the last 30 years

>>677643042
You still have not proven how this line of thinking is incorrect

>>677643133
>apples and oranges
You arent very good at logic huh?

>>677642824
The culture which rebels from our society's standards of worth is not upheld the majority of those using welfare, and it's through social welfare programs than it can be further diminished. The problem used to be far worse. That's why we created them in the first place.

>>677642824
tl;dr : Send niggers back to Africa.

>>677642694
Defense contracts are more about making contractors money (thru kick backs and lobbying) thrn actual defense

File: 1 copy 2.jpg (36 KB, 306x443) Image search: [Google]

36 KB, 306x443

>>677642694

because spending billions of dollars locking them up in boxes and paying people to run the boxes and courts to manage the boxes is a more efficient use of your taxpayer money?

2,000,000 motherfuckers in prison and you talk about any social programs and the GOP screams bloody fucking murder while the write a trillion dollar check to lockheed

how the fuck spending trillions of dollars on defense became associated with conservative SMALL GOVERNMENT values blows my fucking mind

liberals are fucking stupid but the far right is just ignorant as fuck on a whole next level.

the US needs more moderates that are true conservatives instead of this GOP bullshit that supports massive spending on the dumbest shit

File: 1421175245321.jpg (12 KB, 451x363) Image search: [Google]

12 KB, 451x363

> was on public assistance until his forties, because he didn't work.
> passed a handful of bills during his twenty five years as a senator.
>has no idea why school loans (unsecured loans) are expensive.
> spent his whole life being an under achiever.
> most of his campaign promises are unachievable. Namely, marijuana legalization.

But anything is better than Clinton.

>>677643434
So you are saying if we spent trillions on social programs there would be no crime? Is that what you are implying

>>677641938
>>it employed people
You can literally use this argument if the government paid people to dig holes. "Employing people" doesn't mean shit. Value is what matters. To people who aren't being edgy sociopaths on /b/, things like improving roads and bridges and society is actual value. We still have too many retards who think that killing the gooks in Vietnam - oops I mean sand niggers in ISIS - is what we should be pouring money into.

>>677643540

>unachievable marijuana legalization
>already legal in four states
>medicinal in nine states
>decriminalized in 14 states

so 27 of 50 already leaning towards legal/we don't give a fuck but its totally impossible

>>677643540
>he didnt work
His work is well documented and extensive.
>passed a handful of bills
And worked on many more. Not an odd record given his political position.
>has no idea why school loans are expensive
Sure he does. You're referencing a quote where he was expressing the plight of those who can't afford the loans.
>most of his campaign promises aren't achievable
That's nothing new, and hasn't been an issue for many politicians in the past. It's about motives and convictions, not promises.

>>677643148
literally throwing away tax dollars to a private company that hasn't fulfilled the obligations of the contract to receive said tax money

>b-b-but it creates jobs
ok but do we really need to try to create more obsolete death machines for the most technologically advanced army on the planet?

Is it really that much to ask to invest in a sector of our economy or god forbid, education to create jobs that do good things for quality of life rather than finding new and more efficient ways to bomb brown people that are mad about our colonization of their land and stealing their resources?

If we invest education we might not have to kill so many brown skinned people in foriegn lands to create jobs. Maybe one day we'll get off this foriegn oil addiction.

>>677643283
>the problem used to be far worse


Gonna need to see some sources friendo. And also see Detroit and Chicago.

>>677627879
>Except Hillary also wants to legalize it.
No she doesn't. While she's finally come around to backing medical weed, she still has never said she'll support full legalization. At this point when asked all she does is give vague bullshit answers so it kinda sorta sounds like maybe she'll support it in the future, which is an obvious ploy to not scare off voters who want legalization but without actually having to promise anything.

>>677643788

i am implying that if you worked 40 hours a week and could pay your bills then you probably would be less likely to act like a dumb nigger because you would have something to lose

negative income tax would be far more beneficial/cheaper than welfare and trillion dollar jets

you will never reach zero crime but if you can't look at US statistics and see a problem compared to the rest of the world you are fucking blind

>>677643788
Yeah, thats what were implying. It will become a Utopia. Are you aautisti?

>>677643236
gotta love them ad hominems
>give away money to multibillion dollar companies
>get nothing in return
>but it creates jobs
my logic sure is flawed

>>677643933
States rights vs federal rights.
The federal government signed treaties with most the world in the 60-80's.
It's not going to happen, just like out didn't in Canada.
Read a book or two on the subject, you'll find out I'm right.
>>677643975
Writing rape fantasy stories that pay 50 a week, isn't working.

>>677643788
No, were saying we'd be better off.

>>677644041
Are you kidding me?
From riots, to radical groups like the black panthers, to gang culture, we've seen a pretty obvious progression of culture. It began after slavery ended and prejudice/oppression began. That lead to distrust, fear, and anger, which started everything. If you want to go and look at the statistics for employment, welfare usage, and violence, I think you'll find the progression has been a slow but positive one. Don't trust me though. Researching yourself is important.

File: kek.jpg (84 KB, 508x504) Image search: [Google]

84 KB, 508x504

>>677644403

yeah people never break old treaties

laughinggirls.jpg

its literally one fucking amendment away from federal law. the only reason its not legal in canada is because they are cucked by the US

every state is watching colorado and seeing the revenue they have generated. many will follow. cash rules everything around me.

>>677644540
word
this niggers on the internet and is like please google current US crime statistics for me

>>677630007
His final solution

>>677625857
Op Bernie isn't a socialist really, he is more of a New Deal democrat like FDR. None of these faggots on here realize the benefits of a laborer Union and the power it gives to the working class. Not a single other candidate is out for the working class, Bernie is.

>>677644795
>implying you'd trust this nigger if he posted an image or pasted text
I just don't waste time with futile efforts

File: This fuck again...jpg (156 KB, 1024x768) Image search: [Google]

156 KB, 1024x768

>>677625857

>>677644540
All the stuff you said is still there and because of welfare have been able to perpetuate. Chicago is on track to have the deadliest year for any one city in the history of gang violence this year and it gets worse every day. Bernie says 1/4 of every black baby born will be in jail? Dindu shouldn't have nuffined

>>677644784
Typical Sanders supporter.
Has no idea what it would take to achieve anything. 2/3 of congress would have to agree.
Colorado won't vote for it, so possibly 2 senators will. (Go look up how the senators from Colorado don't like it being legalized) 2 out of 100 isn't 2/3.
Major lobbying from big pharma, and alcohol will keep it from happening.

But you live in your magic land, that's fine. Reality is going to win.

>>677645405
Of course it's still there. It wont not be there until the African American community stops feeling alienated and discriminated against. These things justify a culture of violence and crime, and perpetuate it. I never said the problem was fixed, or even close to it. I said social programs which aim to help them assimilate into our culture are helpful. The fact that a small minority abuses it and doesn't assimilate means little in the face of progress. After all, a minority like that is bound to be alienated from the rest of the community that currently supports it.

>>677645631

registered independent and probably not going to vote.

the federal government won't do shit to stop it being legalized in the majority of states and eventually after the majority of states have legalized it they will just accept it.

walmart will sell weed within your lifetime

File: 53percent_guy.jpg (48 KB, 550x407) Image search: [Google]

48 KB, 550x407

>>677638113

>I took half your sign

Americans have the mind sets of elementary schoolers.

And they are proud of being slaves.

>>677645947
Dude they don't do it because they feel oppressed. That's liberal arts bullshit to make people feel better about themselves. And nothing justifies a culture of violence and crime. If Tyrone knew at a young age that the answer is education and being a productive member of society and all his hoodlum peers agreed then the problem would end in a generation. But as it stands right now you have the Left fueling the fire with this "you're a criminal and it's white peoples fault" rhetoric.

Other choices: Trump, Hillary.

There isn't many people that wouldn't look like a good candidate with those two as the front runners.