>>677517371
Yes, much in the same way that a fear of God is the only thing preventing religious folks from going on murderous rampages.

We're all one epiphany away from chaos OP.

>>677517371
I come on here every day, to see your faggot ass posting the same goddamn thread every fucking day, FUCK OFF!!

This is with 100% certainty a troll but fine, I'll take the bait
Is all that's stopping you from murdering your whole family the thought that "oh, but A Man In The Sky doesn't like that"?
Can you seriously not figure out morals yourself? Do you seriously think humanity can't figure out the best way to exist together without an outside force keeping us in check? Is your faith in your fellow man that low?

>>677517371
No, atheist are just morally superior beings that no longer have to invent a god for them to contemplate justice and civility.

>>677517564
>Preventing from killing
>jihad
>crusade
>holy war
>...

>>677517371
Dumb thread, weak b8.

>>677518119
Well I didn't say that religion stopped people from killing members of other religions

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>>677517891
Yes it is. Thanks.
Yes it is.
Could but then mine might differ from yours and you would frown on the relationship between your son and I. We haven't. Yes absolutely it is.

>>677517371
Believe it or not, 99% of the population understands right from wrong without having to be afraid of some magical skyghost looking over them at all times. Now time to Sage this thread because you're a cunt.

>>677517935
That's going just a tad too far.
Almost believed you though.

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>>677517371
Their Ninja way.

>>677517371
Google 'empathy'

>>677517371
Stealing I have issue with on the basis of my respect for personal property. I don't want people stealing my stuff, so I don't steal other people's stuff.

Murder, though... I think whether you're religious or not, the law against murder is the #1 thing preventing murder.

Well, religion doesn't seem to keep you from doing it too. Even the ~peaceful religion~ of Buddhism has a huge ammount of terroristic sects killing eachother, just look at Sri Lanka and pre-communist Tibet where slavery and poverty was rampant. And you need but take one look at how much the caste system is inseparable from Hinduism to learn the same is true there, just look at the way caste still exists today in India. Same thing with Islam, Christianity and even Judaism.

Why do people respond these threads still?

You guys know it's a troll thread right?

OP doesn't ever respond to any of the posts.

Religious people are retarded, you don't need a moral compass. Morals are completely subjective to your culture and the way you were raised. We don't need a fake story to keep us straight, it scares me to see people who need a moral compass to be good. Those people are the real problem.

>>677518351
>Believe it or not, 99%
Yeah I am very much on the "Not" side of that comment. At least when you pull a statistic that high, Out of your ass.

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>>677519075
See all part of the lie.

Demons do not look ugly. How would that fool you in to doing what they wish?

Litteraly everyone here has just said "We don't need God cuz we know what's right and wrong". That wasn't the original question. What stops you from doing wrong? We know right and wrong because God has written the moral code inside all of us. We just supress it sometimes. Lots of athiests know what they're doing is "wrong", but they do it anyways because there's no punishment. Only an afterlife like the Christian one is a motavaion not to do bad.

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>>677519311
I know
Thats why im posting the sexy ones

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>>677518301
>Could but then mine might differ
Yeah and that's why we have always organized society to establish rules we can commonly agree on based on rational debate.
Stop being stupid.

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>>677518351
its realistically ~70% i think

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>>677519325
Because empathy and law enforcement don't exist

>>677519672
But society still likes prohibition profits better than tax profits. Bloody Victorians. Why can't you just tax me for doing what I like?

OP has a good point. If you can steal someone's wallet and get away with it, why wouldn't you? Theists fear punishment from God, athiests don't. So athiests can rape and murder of they don't get caught, cuz morality is subjective to them and they can just make it up.

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>>677519325
>What stops you from doing wrong?
my mind

>>677519848
Empathy doesn't stop you from doing anything. Everyone has done something to someone else which they don't want done to them. That wouldn't actually stop you. And law enforcement means nothing, cuz you can get away with crime all the time without cops knowing.

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WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP REPLYING TO THIS SHIT THREAD?

SAGE

>>677517371
This is why i hate you americans... still living in dem medieval times.

>>677520363
A lot of people's minds reward them for bad not punish them.

>>677519754
So you are still guessing..
How is that any better.

>>677520480
Could you expand on that? I could easily say athiests are still living like communists. But we both know this argument is stupid.

>>677520597
i said i was guessing unlike the guy that pulled facts out of his arse

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>>677520048
Because it feels wrong. When people live in a society long enough, they tend to follow its norms when when people arent looking.

>>677520374
Yes it does. just because empathy doesnt always work doesnt mean it never does. and no, crime is not that easy to get away with.

>>677520597
What stops that 30% if there was no law? Nothing. We should hope there's a God.

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>>677517371
here's a quote straight from the trashman himself

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>>677520834
So you're saying people won't do evil because they feel bad? What about those who don't feel bad? Those who do evil and die happy in their evil? Are you happy with saying that people do horrible things and get away with it? I'm certainly not! If there is a just God, then that person will be punished.

>>677520910
I like his magic. And his big cock.

>>677520510
you asked what stops me
and what stops me from doing bad things is my mind that uses my version of morale to decide how i act in situations that might result in doing something bad

and my morale says that murdering and stealing sucks

>>677520899
if there is no law and they do shit to someone chances that someone will just kill them rise

>>677520744
Oh all right your accent won me over in the end.

>>677521261
Then you can't say other people are evil for raping children, because their morale says it's ok. This is why we need an objective moral standard like the Bible.

>>677521261
Your moral is simply a construct of your mind to assist you in living and socializing with others. Our entire personalities are based of survival instincts that we think are unique to us.

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>>677521162
Religion doesnt do a very good job of stopping people from immoral acts either. How do you explain all the religious wrongdoers? People are always going to do bad things, no single source of morality is going to stop everyone.

>>677521500
Yes I can. Those people are bad people. They have undesirable genes and personality traits and will be either tried and put into a grouping with others like him called a prison. Or he will be killed. Because he is detrimental to our survival.

>>677521424
But what if they don't? Are you fine with saying wrongs are never made right? I certainly am not.

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Yeah totally

Cathegorial Imperative!! Idiots.

>>677520048
You've got a pretty retarded view of ethics and morality, anon.

>>677521613
I never said religious people are better. We're all religious people. Check dictionary.com, religion is a set of beliefs about the origin and purpose of the universe and life. I'm saying that Christianity is the only religion where everything is just and fair. (I'm a Christian Jniversalist btw, not one who believes in eternal hell).

>>677521868
well i have a moral tachometer so i don't need a barometer...

>>677521506
that doesent change my answer
>>677521500
there is no objektivly right or wrong, even if the bible was made by god that would just be the subjektive view of said god

more than that in my moralic structures its not ok to rape a child so i would just try to stop it if i see it

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>>677521500
Now just a darn minute.
Who is talking about rape?
A little slap and tickle with an Altar boy, and some plenary indulgence and that organized religion of yours is all hunky dory with my proclivities.

>>677521712
They are bad people TO YOU AND YOU ONLY. They are not objectively bad, you only think they are. Unless you have an objective moral standard, you can only say it's your opinion that things are bad, you can't say things are bad.

What keeps a Christian from justifying his/her stupid actions or opinions by claiming God or the Holy Spirit?

[spoiler]nothing[/spoiler]

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If you ever need a humbling thought, remember the only thing that separates us from animals is a larger brain and the idea that we are unique beings. In reality, our ideas of morality, religion, time, whatever. It's all based upon survival instincts that exsist within us. Every action, every thought is based off some kind of instinct we just don't know what ones. For example, the fact that I can type this is based of the instinct and need for socialization and the ability to use complex tools to alter the environment around us. We're not special. We're just humans, on a rock, orbiting a star, flying through the infinite. The entire planet could be dashed a way in an instant. Everything is temporary

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>>677522057
>I'm saying that Christianity is the only religion where everything is just and fair
prove it

>>677522380
That's untrue. I believe many would agree that a rapist is a bad member of the human race.

>>677522135
It would be an objetive standard, cuz objective standards don't change. And the Christian God doesn't change, but our opinions do.

>>677521809
the thing is
its absolutely irrelevant if i think its fine that they got away with it since i cant do a thing about it in that situation

>>677522203
The catholic church is evil, good thing I'm Christian.

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>>677522809
This is a derailing I can get behind.

>>677522622
i dont think you know the meaning of objektively

>>677522389
Nothing,they can claim what they want. But the Bible commands Christians to love people, and put others before ourselves. The world would be far better off if we lived by that standard instead of our own opinions.

>>677523019
Objectivity. Holy shit dude.

>>677522442
Evil doers are punished and those who try to do good are rewarded.

>>677522622
>old testament
>new testament
>morale does not change

Does everyone need religion as a moral compass?
Can't you just strive to adhere to the values of a civilized society?

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>>677517371

You cried when the fucking horse died didn't you? Not me. Fuck horses. They are stupid as shit, and always act like they are plotting against you behind your back. Plus the injun kid got that really cool flying, talking dog a short time later. A goddamn flying, and talking dog, anon! That's way better than a smelly fucking horse!

>>677517891
you are a massive faggot

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>>677517371
So OP, are you saying that humans are inherently evil to begin with and the only thing keeping us from killing each other and doing horrible things is this "Moral compass" that you speak of? Fuck off OP..... I'm tired of seeing these posts with flawed logic.

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>>677523151
a lot of religions have gods that reward and punish. what makes christianity special?

>>677522617
Again, that's only a subjective judgement, that doesn't make it so. If everyone in the world believed rape was good, that wouldn't make it good. We need an ovjective and unchanging standard outside of human opinion.

>>677523151
According to the religion you site I believe masturbation and a ton of other benign shit is punishable by hell fire. I'd rather not beleive I'm gonna burn for wanting to rub one out imho

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>>677522722
They think they are too.
What makes you different?
Do you actually follow Christs teachings?
Do you consider yourself Apostle or Disciple?

Do you read what he taught or just blindly follow a liar behind a pulpit?

Not all the liars behind pulpits wear funny hats.

>>677521500
Hey retard, we are part of this thing called evolution and through sexual selection women have selected the genes which has shaped human behaviour. Group/social ethics are not a product of thought but drives shaped by thousands of successive generations. All philosophy on the matter of ethics and morality are rationalisations for our biology. Concepts of good and bad are entirely constrained to the social and breeding habits of our species. This is why we don't think of ants as "immoral" if they overwhelm a fallen bee, or a snake evil for stalking and swallowing smaller infant creatures while they die a horrible death of being crushed and swallowed alive.

Christfags are fucking braindead.

>>677517371
One does not need religion to have ethics and morals.

>>677523350
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>>677523284

I've always wondered if that were an actual product, or just a troll. Poe's law and all.

>>677517371
>What keeps an atheist from murdering and stealing all they want?
Morals, you fucking sociopath. I don't need an invisible sky wizard to tell me not to do bad things.

>>677523350
But they wouldn't. You dense mother fucker. What kind of social species would be like, 'yeah rape is alright'. None, and that's not God, that evolution.

>>677522709
It's not irrelevant. You can choose to believe in a view where these people get away with it, or a view where these people are punished. Christianity is a view which would be nice if it was true, maybe look up the arguments given in support of it to see if it is true. Just a thought.

>>677521868
Niggers are dumb as shit.

>>677523019
It means unchanging and outside of human opinion. Like God.

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>>677523350
Fuck religion. We know what is right and wrong by our own judgment, we don't need that cunt jebus to tell us this shit

>>677523188
It doesn't.

>>677523580
but what i belive is irrelevant becouse christian god is either real or not
my belive wouldnt change that either way

>>677517371
You are literally retarded. Take a philosophy course and stop being a faggot.

>>677523198
Who decides what is a civilzed and good society?

>>677522722
Without the catholic church there would be no "bible" you dumb fuck. It is literally the most legitimate form of your braindead belief system.

>>677519325
god did not write a moral code inside of us. Every thing the bible tells us not to do, is not something we intuitively know.

It's stuff we've learned over generations.

>>677523430
Sodom and Gomorrah where destroyed because they "hardened their hearts and became a law unto themselves".

One can enforce bad laws or morals and ethics.
Ones own particular beliefs above all others.

If we are not all on the same page problems arise.

Many old folks in Florida think traffic signals are advisory in Nature and that if they turn on their hazard lights they are exempt from signals and signs.

I know its bait, but I'm bored af.

You don't need jesus or some higher power to have morals. Modern day people get morals from eachother and develop them themselves. Following a higher power is only for those weak enough to think or act for themselves, or those who are morally corrupt and need an excuse to act in the good will of an imaginary being.

Modern religion even hold back our current society due to their "moral" system conflicting with how you should properly treat another person. Ie, racism, abusing homosexuals, and limiting free speech.

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The bible endorses slavery.

End of discussion.

>>677523776
>eye for an eye
>turn the other cheek

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Nobody on /b/ is religious, we're all too smart.

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>>677523977

So a few of you have messaged me. I'm on my phone and I type slow so it would take about 4 hours to respond to everyone. I can't put in that kind of time cuz I've got a bunch of assignments due tommorow. If any of you care to have an intellectual conversation about different worldviews, please email me at [email protected], I'd love to chat some other time. Plz no spam or trolls, only rational discussion.

>>677523493
I genuinely hope that it isn't....

>>677523977
No, it boils down to one simple philosophy. Don't infringe on another individual's liberty or property. Yiu don't need religion to spell that out.

>>677524414
>too smart

Kek

>>677524173
Sandniggers aren't people, though. You've got to remember these are the tribal belief systems of Jews thousands of years ago, of which was never meant to exist in a modern society.

>>677524173
It certainly contains that word.
But what it describes after is really not.

The Master Slave relationship is voluntary.
One has a period of time to choose before the ear piercing occurs. If ones Master is fulfilling and good? It should be no one else business.

Discussion continues:

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>>677524442
>Plz no spam or trolls, only rational discussion
>/b/

>>677517371
You dont need religion to difference good from bad.

>>677524649
Yes I realize what I've done. That's a risk I'm willing to take, God help me.

or maybe thats a mean thing to do, and we just know that it may hurt other people, so we don't need to.

>>677524442
Go away you annoying nigger. No, we are not going to waste time sending emails to an address you just made up. Go fap if you're that bored.

>>677524558
What the fuck is your point? My point is that the bible is toilet food.

>>677524855
It's not made up, try it.

>>677524344
Different books different teachers.

While the Bible contains the word of God it is not all the word of God.

As Matthew 19 explains often men make rules and demands that God did not.

God wrote 10 of the laws in the Book, in Stone. Hundreds of others have been added by men and claimed to hold the same Authority.

>>677524615
The bible fully endorses slavery, google it. Read some fucking Christopher Hitchens, fuck cunt

I thought we were done with these fucking threads

>>677525268
He, like me, probably has read Hitchens. He, like me, has probably also seen Hitchens get freaking destroyed by William Lane Craig.

>>677524502
Then why do you need a fishing license or a State Park adventure pass?? If we can all respect each others liberties I should be allowed to catch enough fish to feed my family with out special permissions and limits

Religion is soo 1999. Please evolve or go fuck yourself.

Fuck this, I'm going to sleep, 2:30am in Italy. Tomorrow I'm gonna masturbate at the Vatican. Fucking Nazi pope

>>677525243
so you accept that the bible is made up by man, not by a god?
how can you know the morale of your god then?

Just wanna clarify, masturbation isn't a sin according to the Bible, that's just something Christians believe cuz they don't read their book enough. And Matthew 5:27-28 is a mistranslation.

>>677525243
isnt jesus said to be god?
>some trinity? thing

>>677525934
The Bible is people's accounts of interacting with God, it should be read as such. I'm not the original anon, but I just wanted to share my view.

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>>677525595
Hitchens can't beat everyone, Craig is a thoroughly intelligent specimen.

"The holy spirit", lol

>>677525268
That fellow sold a lot of books and charged for his lectures right? Christ taught and died for free.

Slavery did not have the same meaning to the Ancient Hebrew People as it does to you.

As Masters they were far more benevolent.

Now if you want to speak of the deception today and the liars in Charge who tell you you are free and yet issue permits and fees for your every action? I am just surprised American Gladiator did not catch on and begin requiring corporate debtors to appear and "play".

>>677526234
but then again its not objektive, not even by the dumb definition of the term the original anon uses

>>677525934
Some of his word mistakenly slipped by.

>>677517371
Inteligence

>>677517371
I like that gif. Makes sure that people actually know that you´re just baiting, there are too many actual retards who hold opinions like that to distinguish otherwise.

>>677518975
but if you know they're subjective, you're not under them and you need some other source of morals

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>>677517371
We do not believe in fairytales. we know everytning we do is because WE do it. there is no god, there is no allah, we all end uo in the same place. back to where we came

>>677526113
Yes that is said.
But not by Him.

He said Worship God and did not say worship Jesus.

I don't debate his divinity though I often refuse to get caught up in its discussion. Who is in charge in Heaven is Heavens problem not mine.

>>677526625
no you dont
you accept the fact that your morale is subjektive and do your best to not be a faggot anyway

>>677518351
Edgy autistic atheist, no. Die.

>>677520374
No, you can't, idiot. Law Enforcement is what's keeping you alive, faggot. Die.

>>677526889
Those who don't have the Son don't have the Father my friend. Jesus is seen as the Son of man by one of the prophets in the Old Testament, a testimony to his divinity long before the New Testament.

>>677527252
law does not keep you alive. it keeps the sheep from going mayhem

>>677526625
There is a baseline of moral behaviour that every human(excluding mentally ill people like psychopaths) has and that usually includes an aversion to murder, rape, incest, bestiality and generally everything else that people tend to be disgusted of like feces or parasites. Simple biological reasons behind it all, Religion merely put a backstory behind something that already existed.

>>677527418
>like feces
at least this is partially wrong
a child will prohably touch his own shit until his parents teach him that thats a bad thing to do

>>677517371
>Atheist
>No moral compass
Christians actually believe this.

>>677517371
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If the only thing that prevents you from committing atrocities is the threat of violence, whether it be from a god or a government, you are the one who is morally bankrupt. If you see a woman walking down the street, what stops you from raping and murdering her should not be the fear of hell or prison. It should be an innate sense of right and wrong. Typically, one does not want to bring harm to others specifically because they wouldn't like it done to themselves. Of course, there are people who lack empathy. No one is denying that. But that is exactly why we have a justice system. We know people break the rules, but all evidence shows that faith in a god has little to no effect on that outcome. I'd encourage you to look at prison statistics. The majority of inmates (I believe upwards of 90%) identify as religious. Or just look at number of atrocities committed by fundamentalists. In fact, I would go so far as to say that you could make a direct correlation between religiosity and propensity to commit murder.

>>677527339
The Hebrew people did not even have a letter J like in Jesus.

The Prophets of Old did foretell one day that God would be born as a man among men.

Those who are wise might know he probably did so far more than once.

The leaders of the Hebrew people he was born into rejected him and had him killed just to protect their power. Nothing has changed. Evil men spew the name of Christ over and over still doing evil far beyond that which the High Priests did.

You have to have seen the meme here on /b/ regards to tipping where a pastor admits "I give 10% to God why would I give you 18"? Never did he consider that he is given the other 90% as what others gave to God and expected to be used accordingly to do Gods will and not to stiff a waitress in Gods name.

I would rather hang out with poor laity at any church rather than its priests or patrons.

>>677527099
>edgy
>autistic

Stop using words that you do not comprehend the meaning of. It makes you look fucking stupid, junior.

>>677528367
Well for one thing my lusts tend more to boys.
Right and Wring are subjective. Donald Trump think he is blessed and right. Yet he maintains his great wealth knowing he could choose to literally feed millions each and every day.

I bet many here will decide that is good or evil depending on their own personal morals.