>>677308407
This is retarded.
After the bank/auto bailouts you can't say the U.S. isn't socialist. Using consumers money to pay for companies to provide products they are not receiving and have to pay for again if they want products/services personally. I mean it's really close to being communist to pay for the means of production from a centralized source even if it's still privately owned. Short of that being taken over it was more socialist than communist.

>>677309018
>Never proposed a bill that has passed
https://www.congress.gov/member/bernard-sanders/S000033?q=%7B%22bill-status%22%3A%22law%22%7D

>>677308407
we don't need reminding.

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>>677309584

>common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money, and the state

>implying Bernstein doesn't want this

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>>677308407
Daily reminder that you Americans are politically illiterate. A bunch of cucks being shafted by big corporations because "muh freedom"

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>>677309731

>In office 16 years
>passed 3 sponsored bills

wew

Why "Democratic" Socialism Doesn't Work

https://youtu.be/-XgdtHewGR0

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>>677310005

Sorry Sven, don't you have a little Muslim problem going on over there? Ironic that you call anyone a cuck

>>677310092
>https://www.congress.gov/member/bernard-sanders/S000033?q=%7B%22bill-status%22%3A%22law%22%7D
>Cosponsoring a bill == not sponsoring it
Are you retarded?

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We are already socialists.

What do you think subsides are?

Bernie isn't moving us into a new system, he's just going to make the system FAIR.

>>677310005
Or we are shafted by the economic choices that our people make, and blame it on corporations.

Your bullet points highlight the same lack of critical thinking you accuse Americans of.

Don't you have Islamic cock to suck

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>>677310571

>We are already socialists.

Time to retake High School Econ

>he's just going to make the system FAIR.

Extortion and theft is fair? Wew lad

GIBS ME DAT

>>677310571
This must be bait.

not economically illiterate, we just believe there is a better way to make the government work for us

>>677308407
>Bernie Sanders supporters are economically illiterate cucks
Infinitely better than these uneducated ignorant stupid populist Hillary supporters.

>>677309871
Is someone paying you to post this crap or do you just have no life?

I don't know what the politicians want the U.S. to be, I'm just saying it's ridiculous to slander sanders about socialism when the U.S. is constantly doing socialist stuff already.

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>>677310765
0/5

Your only support comes in the form of meme after meme and you say Bernie supporters are illiterate? Jesus titty fucking H Christ, you're the definition of a goddamn moron. Crawl back under Trump's toupee and live out your dream of 'equality' while its swept away from you by those who care not and are naught but the vast sums of money dumped into their laps by fucking capitalist megafunders.
>faggot detected

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>>677308407

>>677310516

Reread your little link, Bernie-cuck

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>>677310259
>>677310657
>all these jimmies rustled
classic yank behaviour, refusal to acknowledge what's killing their country, must be all that cold war propaganda still kicking about.

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>>677311314

Libcucks can't even formulate coherent sentences

>>677311128
>when the U.S. is constantly doing socialist stuff already
not an argument.

>>677311478
Conserfag can't read?
My captcha was pancakes.
>edgy argument

>>677308407
Well if you think democratic socolism and communism are the same thing I'm sorry but your economicly illiterate or just generaly stupid.

look here nigger faggot, socialism brings in an authoritarian government that forces the population into limited choices. what Bernie is proposing is a baseline of existence, and still have the free market system that allows you all of your choices you still currently have. we don't supplant freedom of choice with authority, we simply put a minimum floor in, which is a shitty life and those that want more must achieve more. maybe the morons on /b/ just can't fathom a better way of life

>>677308407

How many voters do you think are economically literate, out of curiosity?

>>677310765

We are socialists you dumb fuck. Who pays for the following

>USPS postal service
>libraries
>public schools
>infrastructure
>welfare and programs for the needy

Time to get your head out of your ass kiddo

Vote Trump.
If you can't vote Trump, vote Bernie.
If you can't vote Bernie and plan to vote Hillary, kill yourself.

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>>677311128

>the U.S. is constantly doing socialist stuff already

Like what, the USPS? If it weren't for that dreadful capitalism, you wouldn't have Fed-ex, one-day shipping, or even tracking numbers.

Or how about the DMV? Man governemnt sure does a great job at providing

>>677311778
>Hur dur since I'm a socialist I'm not the cuck I want to make working Americans my cucks

You literally sound like a nigger

>>677311631
Different anon, but typically you have to explain to the guy why it isn't an argument.

>>677308407
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>>677310765
just so you know taxation is not theft, fuckwad.

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>>677311418
Classic retard behavior
> lots of problems in my country, but I'll ignore them to complain about how people in another country act that will never affect me.
No wonder your country is shit.

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>>677311778

>USPS postal service
>libraries
>public schools
>infrastructure
>welfare and programs for the needy

Wait, are these supposed to be good things?

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHA

>>677308788
This is such a shit-tier understanding of economics. So the employer would lose money by hiring the guy for less? So currently net value to the employer is $0? Then that's an incredibly fragile and unlikely situation but also he wouldn't get hired anyway as the effort of employing him already tips it into not worthwhile.

>>677311778
>public schools
>infrastructure
>libraries
>socialist
lol

>>677311778
Government "services" are not a Socialist government.

Seriously, read on civics, forms of government, forms of economic systems.

>>677311927

>nigger

This my friends is the way a faggot argues when he has no clue what to retort. Please die

>>677311631
I'm not arguing. Bernie is only in a race against hillary, an anti sanders thread is a pro hillary thread. Why would you want this?

>>677311916
Actually I would of mentioned the health care thing, I didn't even think of those two. Good job coming up with reasons why the U.S is doing lots of socialist stuff already to the point of complaining about it just being rhetoric to shill for hillary.

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>>677311478

>>677308407 fuckerino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH2FfGFcp-I

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>>677312047

> taxation is not theft

It it theft by definition. You can't give consent to being taxed

>>677312124

The question is, who pays for these and it certainly isn't the govt. Its the tax payers. Think about that when you think the govt and how it runs things

>>677312374

>faggot

This my friends is the way a nigger argues when he has no clue what to retort.

It's all the same, dipshit. Socialism is gay, that's my argument.

>>677308407
Bernie is like the perfect con man. He tells people everything they know its true (like how the world seems gone to shit in just 20 years, and is getting worse ) but then promises blatantly bullshit solutions . he's nothing but wellwishing.

>>677312478
you are a citizen of this country, therefore you are required to pay taxes. you have the option to not be a citizen of the country, but yet you stay here. who's choice is that? that is why it isn't theft.

>>677312478
Your citizenship implies consent.

>>677312529
Beyond that, what loses me is the fact that socialists have that much faith in working people to be willing to support those who don't, and that much faith in idiots who don't work to be willing to contribute when we completely disincentivize work. Is someone willing to explain how that can possibly be sustainable?

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>>677312394

>I have a higher than average IQ

Sure you do, Timmy

>I'm entitled to your money because I'm unproductive and too low-skilled to attain that wealth yself

>>677310005
Funy how you posting using an electronic device manufactured by said corporations, powered by electricty generated by corporation, using internet provided by corporation.....
>spshhh logic

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>>677312667
>>677312711

>Your citizenship implies consent.

That's not how citizenship works.

Do you give consent to having privatized health care? How about privatized schools?

>>677308407
Does anyone else remember when every talked positively about European style social democracy back in the '90s? Socialist wasn't a dirty word then and people understood that communism and socialism are, in fact, two things.

Daily reminder that George W Bush and his neo-cons made Republicans illiterate cucks, I guess. Y'all did your best to burn down this country, y'all might as well let the left have its turn.

>>677312829
be happy to. the democratic socialist stance is you create an absolute minimum of existence. you won't die, but it isn't a pretty life. if you want more, you work for it. and you have the freedom to choose.

>>677313187
Socialism is a political preference for children who don't think about politics beyond "free shit for everyone, no consequences!"

>>677311314
Equal oportunity you fag. Not equality. No one is equal, but everyone has the oportunity.

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>>677313238
Why do I owe people life when they're not willing to work for it themselves?

>>677313343
FYI, when you say "equal opportunity" to a democrat they will interpret it as "equal oucome."

>>677311681
If you think they are that far from eachother or that democratic socialism isnt a "gateway drug" then you are generally a complete retard

>>677311778
Not socialism you moron.

>>677308407
Can you feel the bern? It's called a UTI

>>677311778
>"United States postal service postal service"
Fuckin libtard

>>677312124
So by you definition any government is socialism because no government creats wealth. They all taxnit from the people. You are a moron

>>677313175
expatriate, look it up
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/expatriate
>>677313416
because that person that dies might actually be the person who creates the cure for cancer, or might be the one that actually cracks the code on getting the fuck off of this planet before its natural resources burn off, or we get crushed by an asteroid.

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>>677313267
You must have laughed when this guy joked about all his warcrimes while saying his brother should also get the opportunity to commit crimes while being immune to prosecution.

>>677310765
It's funny how you anti-statists love to talk shit, yet you don't have any solutions whatsoever. you're all dumb as shit

>>677308407
OP is spot on

The Boin is our Hugo Chavez. (As is Varicose Cankles Clinton)

Just less 'bandito' in appearance and not as fat (imagine that, a fat socialist)

They'll only realize this when it's to late, but Left tards will get the paradise they deserve

>>677313722
Newfag, feeling the bern means you are feeling the Bernie, hence "bern" and not "burn". Feel the bern faggot.

>>677313575
>says people are politically illiterate
>says that a range of policies are a gateway drug

Never go full retard

>>677312405
>cant make that amount without exploiting a group.
Translation
>its not fair they make more then me and i dont have alot of monies to be a lazy fag and have it all. Wahhhhh

>>677313953
> might actually be the person who creates the cure for cancer
You seriously believe this? The people who rely on welfare? Yeah right dude, I'm not willing to put my chips on that.

Please tell me you can think of a better reason.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvfhmhITkYY

ill just leave this here cause your a white male and oppressed op.

>>677313953
Someone who isn't smart enough to provide for themselves, will never be the person that cures cancer.
I'm not that person, but wew lad, that's a pretty fucking dumb response.

>>677313953
So your pro life right?

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Remember me?

>>677313953
>cant figure out how to get a semi decent job thats provides health insurance
>smart enough to cure cancer
Logic

>>677310765

>taxation is theft

And this nigga claims that others are economically illiterate, kek

Go back to fucking your cousin

>>677314220
The poor create problems. For themselves, for their society, for the entire human species. This is a fact. It is supported by every piece of evidence, every scientific study.

The question is how to deal with them, so they stop making problems for everyone. Malthus thought we should just kill them, Marx thought we should kill God and money, Republicans think the poor deserve their suffering and we should just accept the problems they cause for us, because the poor deserve to suffer.

I'd rather solve problems than let them happen so I can feel morally superior.

>But moral superiority and righteous indignation feel so good anon
>Better keep sucking these cocks while thinking about those miserable poor folks

>>677308407
Daily reminder that instead of trying to go out and help make the country better, youre just sitting on 4chan complaining about a guy you dont want to vote for

Haha, I always die inside when someone calls Bernie a socialist. You guys wouldn't know socialism if it hits you in the face.
Heck, he's even considered to be right wing in my country.

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>>677313953

Again, you still have no clue how citizenship works. Please answer my previous question

>>677312214
i'm sorry your valid point was unfortunately undermined because you didn't accompany it with a poorly made meme

>>677314136
Nice rebutle.
> Cant dispute with a logical comeback
>you're retarded

>>677314220
yup, because a human being that was poor and uneducated will never cause any sort of significant scientific discovery... oh wait, michael farraday...
>>677314329
yes. absolutely.

>>677314402
Pro choice. Its not your body

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>>677314593

Is this supposed to be some kind of rebuttal?

>>677308407
it's funny how the anti-bernie posts don't come around til it's saturday.

stay in school kid. i'll be voting to give you a better college education so don't squander it.

>>677314760
Anon's point is that, under international law, every human has the right to leave their country and seek both legal permanent residency and citizenship elsewhere.

Only places like North Korea have permanent and involuntary citizenship. NK considers it treason to leave NK for any reason without prior permission from the government.

So shut up, comrade. We don't need your anti-freedom commie bullshit disguised as capitalism. No one's buying it, dipshit.

>>677314839
>confuses someone with little formal education with someone who is an idiot
Nice try but try again you moron

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>>677313996

>yet you don't have any solutions whatsoever

Pretending to ignore decades of literature on the subject != we don't have an answer.

Have you Bern haters even taken a look at the Scandinavian countries?
>free health care
>free education
>equal opportunities
People in these countries don't need to come from economically privileged families to attend the best schools, the government also makes sure that loaning money to attend schools outside your own city(you still have to pay for your own expenses) won't ruin your whole fucking life.

>>677314760
i did, you can use your freedoms you have in this country, file for a visa to move to another country, and submit to have your US citizenship revoked. that's how you get out of paying for our countries taxes.

>>677315261
Nice misdirection. Last time i checked employment was an agreement between the employee and employer

>>677312405
1. A million is SEVEN figures, retard.
2. You're wrong. It's very possible to make that without exploitation.
3. Fuck you. You're not the grand arbiter of morality nor do you get to dictate how shit should work, arrogant entitled little shit.

>>677314851
lol

>>677314573
>implying america is a meritocracy

>>677315261
>Tax mean old corp to decide not worth running.
>thousands of jobs lost when corp closes
>for the little guy

>>677315046
that's ironic considering bernies voter base consists of redditors and millennial retards.

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>>677315490

>>677315315
>the best schools
european universities are garbage

>>677315727
Bernies voter base is college educated young people. Compare that to Trump, whose base is uneducated blue collar workers

>>677315211
but that's my point. you see these people as stupid, i see them the same as Michael Faraday, just without the ability to achieve because they are worried that they might have to sacrifice eating or having a place to live for book study. just because one person was able to overcome the inherent flaws in a free market like Faraday, doesn't mean it works. all hindrances should be removed, but the equality of outcome shouldn't be guaranteed.

>>677315858
>implying americas education system is better

>>677315886
>college educated young people
>implying this means anything what-so-ever

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>>677315072

You do understand that there is over a $3000 fee to renounce US citizenship, right? I wonder what happens if you don't agree to that fee?

Consent has absolutely nothing to do with moving beyond the imaginary lines set by the state.

Consent requires an agreement by the parties involved. You give PERMISSION, then the action is done. The action does not come before the agreement.

>>677315315
Conservatives see one thing in Scandinavia. Muslims.

>Sweden is a Muslim nation

I seriously hear this shit all the time. I haven't heard an IRL person speak positively of Sweden since the 90's, back when

>free health care
>free education
>equal opportunities

Was shit Americans wanted.

>>677315943
well, yes, it is.

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>Claiming that raising the 7th tier tax bracket to the standard 33% is unfair
>Implying that proper tax reallocation can't fund better Healthcare or more affordable higher education
>Being a conservacuck and making decisions based solely off fear of change
This thread is full of fucking faggots.

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>>677315315

Yeah look at 'em

Too gay or browbeaten to fight muslim rapefugees

Are you one of those people that the teachers told repeatedly 'must try harder'?

>>677315261
False premise: there's not a fixed amount of capital, it's always expanding as new goods and products are produced.

>>677316008
ever heard of implied consent?

http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=904

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>>677315688

>>677315943

>MIT
>Cornell
>Cal-tech
>Ivy League

You shitskins and muslim-lovers would probably kill or rape to have a chance at our higher education

>>677315657
You really that dumb? You actually belive zll the idiots sitting at home smoking weed playing xbox getting welfare can cure cancer? Ill trust my life the the doctors that actually are smart enough to find a job

>>677316008

>You do understand that there is over a $3000 fee to renounce US citizenship, right?

You say that like it's a salient point. Or not a fairly recent move to disincentive tax dodging (which started due to a slightly less recent tax on overseas Americans).

Honestly dude, you're starting to sound like one of those sovereign citizens. If you want to convince anyone of anything, don't sound like a sovereign citizen.

>>677308407
for the 1000th time writing this on this website, LEADING ECONOMISTS LEAN SLIGHTLY LEFT FISCALLY

>>677316191
>its 2016!
not an argument

>>677316408
>LEADING ECONOMISTS
lol

>>677315858
No, you would know, if you could afford any type of university, you poor sheit.

>>677315657
>implying there isnt a dr shortage that anyone who is smart enough to cure cancer cant find employment

>>677316230
Thanks for proving my point
>>677316055
>>677316055

>>677309160
i don't get it

>>677316514
>conservatives constantly tout the idea that economics proves them right about their retarded ideas, and then in the face of the fact that economics does not agree with their shit opinions, they say that not only is economics stupid but so is college education

>>677316277

>implied consent
>consequences of imprisonment or death if you don't comply to an imaginary agreement

wew lad. Try a better argument

>>677316429
Wasn't intended to be. Simply stating y'all are a bunch of fucking conservacunts.

The real problem in this country is people.
Crime? People
Corruption? People
Bad economy? People

It's about time our government takes stance against this evil menace of people who ruin our country.
DEATH TO THE PEOPLE

>>677316714
>confusing economics with economists
lol

>>677316408

LEADING ECONOMISTS EVEN CALL BERNIE OUT ON HIS FAIRY-TALE POLICIES

>http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/19/opinion/varieties-of-voodoo.html

>>677316254
The comic is illustrating the thesis of a book that argues that r (return on investments) continually outpaces g (total economic growth), meaning that people with the capital to generate r gain wealth faster than people that rely on wage increases from total economic growth.

Not that I knew that when I read it. Google is a better friend than assuming you know what you're talking about.

>>677316794
and you're a cancerous redditor. what's your point

>>677316008
the legal contract the government gives you is we assume you want american citizenship, in exchange you must pay taxes until you decide you don't want to be a citizen, which we have a process to revoke your citizenship if you want it.

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>>677316535

Do you think a growing muslim population can safely be ignored?

>>677316903
lol this is seriously how conservatives think though
>muh personal responsability
as if someone people are going to magically become more responsible on their own, so we do not need to address facts of poverty

>>677316520
are you trying to argue that europoor universities are, in fact, not trash? because they are, especially Scandinavian ones.

>>677315906
Your confusing someone who doesnt go to school that is smart with someone who is too lazy to work. This is classic misdirection. Find one person who didnt get a paper education but is adtually brilliant and say see any of those bums on the street could do this. Obviously he was motovated and smart and ALL of these un educated bums have the same opportunity, except they are not smart nor motivated. Therefore nullifying your argument

>>677316990
yes, all presidential candidates overstate their goals, do you really think trump passes fact checking by academics?

>>677317091
>>muh personal responsability
>liberal morons are actually against personal responsibility and individual freedom
what a surprise.

>>677317080
No. Do you think that a what-if scenario can dismiss reality?

>America is communist!
>Because the Soviet Union exists!
>No, your the retard!

>>677317293
the idea that societal problems can be blamed on individual people is fucking retarded

go fuck all yourselves with Hillary's largest dildos while you lick Trumps asshole, maggots.

>>677317019
Never even been to Reddit. Point still being conservatives haven't achieved anything in decades and never will. The Republicunts intend on carrying on with oppressing progressive politics to continue stuffing their pockets. Y'all are entitled children. Every last one of you.

>>677316330
Obviously you never ran a business.

>>677316379
>>677316529
I'm pretty successful for my age I am 22 and a software engineer, but I can confidently say that if I was a poor black kid in the projects I would not have made it where I am today. Point is there are brilliant people who aren't going to succeed because of things like institutional racism and inequality of opportunity

>>677317186
you are making an assumption that those who don't work are just too lazy or stupid to work, with no consideration for other factors. its your premise that is fucked up.

>>677316408
The ones running the government now? No wonder we have 18 trilion in debt and 100 trillion in unfunded liabilities.

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>>677317457

>https://www.reddit.com/

>>677316230
>implying Americans are "fighting muslims rapefugees"

>>677316379
I think you have future tense mixed up with present tense, not to mention some weird generalizations of lower income people.

Firstly, obviously someone without medical knowledge would be more apt to cure a disease than someone without, we're not talking about them WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BABIES YOU FUCKING MORON.
Plenty of very successful people have come from the lower class, I won't bother posting some because I'm not your fucking teacher, and even more so some people are forced into lower class positions by issues out of their hands. Healthcare does not cover the entirety of medical conditions, and if you're born with a medical condition do we just dash you against the rocks?

>>677317458
and you are posting on b
congratzzzzzz

>>677317558
eh, institutional racism isn't a fact. poverty is absolutely something that exists. that's something that can and should be tackled by the government.

>>677317011
I merely argued against the comic. If the comic didn't accurately represent its side that's not my fault.

>>677317091
>muh guberment wont ever take advantage of me
>muh guberment should take all choices away cause they be smarter
>muh guberment should feed me, cloth me, take care of me
>MUH GUBERMENT

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>>677317293
Deserts! You think that people deserve to be punished and rewarded for their own personal actions, right?

Makes sense. We've decided this person has done a bad thing, so they must be punished. That person is what we consider to be an ideal citizen, so they should be rewarded.

But people are the judges and the executors. We don't need to be right, we just need to feel that we're right. We don't good reasons, just convincing reasons.

When policy is designed to punish and reward, it will do that. It will not solve problems. It will create problems. But that's okay, so long as we can continue to feel good about calling strangers monsters and being called good ourselves.

>pic unrelated

>>677317780
Get the fuck off /b/ faggot.

>>677317989
Sorry, I didn't realize you had satisfied your due diligence.

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>>677317721

No, but you are being ruled by a Kenyan one right now - he is on the end of his second term.

>>677312214

>This is such a shit-tier understanding of economics

Apparently you forgot to study it in high school

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_demand

>>677317186
>your confusing
>those sentence fragments
>un educated
>ending a sentence prematurely to start another sentence with an adverb

>>677318058
umm, think you missed the argument here. i'm not advocating that we remove freedoms. we have the right to bear arms in the US, we should absolutely keep that, just some limitations to prevent the crazies from owning weapons. that stops the government from taking advantage of you. what is a better choice, the government that you potentially have a say in if you wish to, or a corporation that doesn't give two shits about you and only cares about making money? we provide the government its power, so why shouldn't it work for us?

>>677318477
Raising the minimum wage can actually increase total jobs under certain circumstances.

The world is complicated. Learn how it works or defer to people who have.

>>677317558
Everyone has a choice. Not everyone is equal. Some people are gifted with abilities others are not. Is it fair that some people drop dead at 10 and oyhers live to 100? Is it fair some people are gifted with the ability to be a surgen when others cant even figure out how to calculate the change running a register? Is it fair that some people are born without hands or sight? No, but life is not fair. Equal outcome is NOT a guarantee. Equal OPORTUNITY is. But if you dont have the skills or the ability to then its called life. Life isnt fair

>>677311418
agreed at least the foreigner can see with some perspective

>>677318142
Oh boy, this thread is gonna put me in the grave.

desserts btw

>>677317569
Equal oportunity bro, dont mean equal outcome. Get over it. Your the one who is too stupid to get it. If you get hit by a bus, does that mean the guberment should ban busses so no one can ever have the factor of a bus stopping them from curing cancer or whatever?

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All those donations are helping him with his presidency, r-right?

>>677318864
i agree with this, but that doesn't mean those that can't provide for themselves can't contribute in a meaningful way. we still need ditch diggers, we still need people to mow our lawns, and plant trees. those people deserve the sort of life that every average american has, to provide for their family, to allow their children to go to college if they so wish, and to be able to retire and not have to work their asses off until they drop dead.

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>>677318781

>Raising the minimum wage can actually increase total jobs under certain circumstances.

Under what circumstances? You're fabricating your own facts now

>Learn how it works

We do know how it works based on repeatable evidence. Ironic that you say that considering that you Bernie cucks choose to ignore fundamental economic laws

Here's some empirical evidence for you anyways:

>http://www.nber.org/papers/w5224
>http://www.economics.uci.edu/files/docs/workingpapers/2006-07/Neumark-08.pdf
>https://www.researchgate.net/publication/227671735_Reconciling_the_Evidence_of_Card_and_Krueger_1994_and_Neumark_and_Wascher_2000
>http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/44995-MinimumWage.pdf
>https://www.epionline.org/minimum-wage/minimum-wage-teen-unemployment/
>https://www.epionline.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/even_5-2011.pdf

>>677319267
>we still need people to mow our lawns

I swear to fuck if you pay someone to mow your lawn instead of just getting up and doing it yourself I will contemplate beating your ass

>>677319092
>desserts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_(philosophy)

>>677317730
Its called life you idiot. Not everyone will have the same thingnand same oportuniy. You can regulatemtill the cows come home but no one will ever have the same street as the next guy. Its called life

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>>677308407

>>677312124
yes they're supposed to be good things oh my god that's just fucking scary


How can some of you people be so far right?

At least try 4 years of someone like sanders
he can't fuck things up that bad if what you say is true and radical left progressive ideas could never be economically feasible

>>677319148
i do not want a guaranteed outcome, i want those who can't provide for themselves to not die in the streets. because all human life is precious, and i will do whatever i can to preserve that life, because the potential they provide is worth more than the amount of money they can make and concentrate for themselves.

>>677318781
Nice bait. Almost got me.

>>677319536

Think again about those programs and how inefficient and wasteful they are.

The private sector can and already has done better than the government in each of those areas

>>677309584
I'm a Bernie fan and you're still wrong.

>>677319419
plenty of those people in the Hamptons in new york. start smashing.

>>677319401
>Raising the minimum wage can actually increase total jobs under certain circumstances.

I literally highlighted this, right clicked, selected Search Google for "...", and this was the first link.

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/usappblog/2014/01/27/minimum-wage-employment/

>>677319438
Do you have any medical disabilities?

>>677319401
Proven fact, doubling the minumum wage increases jobs by 25%. Quadrupiling increases by 50%. If we make in mandatory thst no one who works makes less then 100k a year, poverty solved. This was concluded in hundreds of studies. But the rich are greedy and supress these studies.

>>677319749
>>677319878

There's really no profit in being willfully ignorant, newfriend.

>>677319878

Wait, your "certain circumstances" and refutation to empirical data and an economic law is UK blog?

This is why nobody takes you leftists seriously.

>https://www.reddit.com/

>>677319601
Then start a charity and help them. Dont say i make too much money because of some random # you come up with that anyone making x amount of dollars makes too much. So because i make more then x a year i should be taxed more and more to help others.

>>677319536
It's pointless.
He won't get anything through congress. Might as well vote for roadkill.

I like his ideas, but people vote for corrupt senators. Keeping a Senate that blocked everything Obama tried to do, then electing Sanders....
Nothing will change. He will be blocked just like Obama. He couldn't stand up to two angry black lesbians on disability. He can't stand up to congress.

I wish it was different, anon, I really do.

>>677319770
yup, because the private sector did so god damn well during the industrial revolution. oh wait they didn't, we needed the labor unions to push a 40 hour work week, child labor laws, and minimum safety and health standards, and the government to give us those rights because the private sector only gives two shits about making a profit. ever heard of the jungle by upton sinclair? dude went into a meat packing plant during the turn of the century showing the despicable conditions that the packing plant had for its workers and the product it made. that is the cause of free market, private sector enterprise and an unregulated industry.

>>677319937
Yes i do. Your point? Should i sue soemone or bring everyone to the lowest common denominator because of fairness?

>>677320277
Does the name Krueger mean anything to you?

>>677320481
What is your disability?

>>677319968

You provided zero sources and choose to ignore six of mine. You Bernie shills really need to retake Basic Economics again

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_demand

>>677308466
This shit gmhad me giggling like a little girl

>>677320449
>forgets thousands of years of guberment treating citizens as slaves.

>>677320643
That guy was making fun you. Do you need anything else glaringly obvious explained?

>>677320594
Not relevent to the topic.

>>677320334
over 80% of the congressional seats go up for reelection, thats why sanders is more of symbol then anyone realizes. if we are able to put a progressive into the presidency, hopefully that starts the domino effect into congress, showing that The US is ready for those politics.

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>>677320277
I like your posts.
Picture is for you, because I'm sure you will get more use out of it than I have.
> also, checked

>>677320755
Do you have working legs?
What is your income?

>>677320755
Sure it is. We need to be able to call you a lying welfare queen.

>>677320866
See? Give us the pretense to dismiss you entirely!
>>677320876

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>>677319770
I'm the same guy

Pretty decent point actually

>FedEx and UPS are better than USPS

>libraries could be compared to ebook businesses like amazon, however I still think public libraries are absolutely necessary

>I differ on the view of school,
private schools tend to be much better but there's not really a way around that, we need public schooling? maybe there is I wonder what would happen if it all went private

>infrastructure is handled entirely by outside contractors

>welfare and programs for the needy, we need these in pace we just need to make them as efficient as possible

>>677320508

You mean that phone-survey that was done in Jersey by Card and Kreuger?

It's been refuted and numerous studies have proven that the affect of the minimum wage actually led to less employment and total hours cut. Two of those aforementioned studies I linked in an earlier post that you still refuse to read.

Please stop posting in this thread

Right.

How well did Reganomics work out for the 99%?

Yeah, I thought so.

>>677320966
I don't know that guy, and all I've seen is you dodge this question, and pretense is just as bad as faulty presumption.

What is your disability?

>Communism is bad meme
Dank

>>677321205
You don't really expect anyone to believe that you aren't just waiting for the opportunity to shit talk some disabled guy on the internet, right?

Just post your screed already. No need to make it personal.

>>677320814
You are the first person to respond to that statement with anything intellectual. Please educate your friends on how important those seats are.
I'm used to hearing
> If Sanders doesn't get the nomination, I'm not voting.
Thoughts like those are why this country is in the shitter. I know I'm voting out the seats in my state, because the politicians are corrupt.
I care more about my local elections, than the presidential race because I see more fixable problems at the local level. I'm still voting, I just know my vote is one teardrop in the ocean when it comes to president.

>>677320449

>we needed the labor unions to push a 40 hour work week

The free market has had solution to working hours decades before unions.

Why do you choose to post on 4chan right now instead of taking up a part time job? You trade the opportunity of extra money for leisure

>child labor laws

Child labor has existed for thousands of years. Children were forced to work because families would starve if they didn't. The investment of capital goods and technological advances allowed greater production for less working hours, thus getting rid of the need of child labor

Passing an arbitrary law doesn't magically make families more wealthy. By that logic, we could pass a law against starvation and attain world peace

> health standards

The FDA is a complete disaster and is notorious of delaying life saving cancer drugs by up to five years. People are forced to use the black market due to the inefficiency of the FDA

>>677321165
>can't spell Reagan
economically and actually illiterate

fuck that anyways, free money for anyone is bad including businesses

>>677321494
I don't know what a screed is, and I'm just genuinely curious.

You acknowledged that you have one, but it's a shame you lack the conviction to state simply who you are.

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>>677321292

>https://www.reddit.com/

>>677321972
This was my screed.
>>677318142
But I guess I could add that if you ask a personal question out of sheer curiosity and the other person has declined to answer, then there's not much point in annoying people to satisfy yourself.

>>677315551
GREATER THAN six figures

>>677312405
>thinks 6 figures is million
I think your inability to work with numbers should exclude you from economic debate.

>>677320966
Instead of getting so defensive, on an anonymous Vietnamese image board for cat pictures, just tell a lie.
They get an answer, and you didn't have to say whatever's got your knickers in a twist.
Win/win

>>677308407
>>>/pol/

>>677322308
If you're annoyed by posts on a public forum then that's your deficiency.

>>677318142
This is your rhetoric.

What is your disability?

It seems the most difficult thing for you to do is stop riffing and answer a straightforward question.

>>677315315
dane here, this wouldnt work in america

>>677308407
Daily Reminder that 99% when someone says economically illiterate that just means they dont follow Capitalist Theory.

Economics is just the study of the flow of products and money. There is no correct "economics" and Capitalism and Socialism is just two different competing theories.

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>>677322834

https://www.reddit.com/

>>677322915
...did you think I was the disabled guy this whole time? I'm not the disabled guy. He probably lost interest when he said he wasn't interested in answering your question.

>>677323033
I can't really tell who is who, considering.

>>677322374
greater than 6 figures is 1,000,001 you fucking retard. 1 million does not equal greater than 6 figure

>>677322503
It depends whether or not they mean monthly or yearly dipshit

>>677316191
Because when you give the government a bunch of money, they do a great job with it. Like the VA.

>>677319525
That is just cute
look guys a tiny bernie :3

>>677308466
Man that's funny.

>>677316330

"When the government takes money from the rich, we will get better and higher paying jobs!"

>>677322503
> >6 figures

fucknut

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Anything is better than this racist fascist fuck.

>>677320643
>muh basik echinomiks

>>677316408

Leading according to who?

Wow there are a ton of jimmies in this thread. Bernie can't be that bad.

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>>677316408
That's funny how you can say it 1000 times, but can't prove it once.

>>677324274
I hope he wins and goes full fuckin Nazi. Fuck all the niggers and cucklords, move to Germany and suck a muslims cock.

>>677319419

If you work 60 hours a week, makes sense to hire someone to mow your grass. It's division of labor and economic specialization. You can also go to mcdonalds and pay someone to cook your lunch instead of making it yourself.
Maybe you are a surgeon and it makes more sense to spend as much time as possible in surgery, and not mowing your lawn or cooking meals.