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I used to think Flat Earth Theory was a joke... until I actually read what they're saying. I'm now convinced the earth is, indeed, flat.

>ITT: we discuss FET vs. Round Earth
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>>677138577
Explain seasons
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>>677138736
The sun and moon don't have a fixed position above the earth.

>pic related
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I'll share some of the discoveries I've made in my inquiries:

From all altitudes, as far as your eye can see, the horizon is completely flat and raises to eye level. The supposed curve of the earth is actually just the vanishing point of your vision from your perspective.
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Another great example: the Statue of Liberty. The statue of liberty stands 326 feet above sea level, and on a clear day can be seen upwards of 60 miles away. On a ball with 25,000 miles in circumference, the statue should be over 2,000 feet below/behind the horizon
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Some more fun facts.

A natural and observable property of water is for it to find and maintain level in its container. We're told that on a large enough scale it curves, yet the curve is not independently observable. In fact, the opposite is true.
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>>677138873
That picture does not explain seasons at all. How does the sun changes position?
Explain why the Earth is clearly round as seen from pictures taken in the ISS.
> Inb4: It's all a hoax
> Inb4: Scientists are all lizzards trying to take over the world.
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Also, if the sun were truly 93 million miles away, then all light that finally reached earth would have to be running parallel when it reaches us. Yet, when you see the sun's rays beaming through the clouds - at all angles - you can see that that's CLEARLY not the case. The sun's apparent movement in the sky works both ways, mathematically.
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>>677139746
It changes position because of quantum trapping. The magnetic force of the earth, sun and moon make the objects levitate and glide without any friction, roughly along the Capricorn and Cancer belts. These are all positively charged while the sea is negatively charged, which explains the Meisner effect.

As for the Earth "clearly" being round, it basically boils down to fish eye lenses.

>pic related
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>>677138873
>implying the world is flat
>still using the term equator
It's like you are not even trying
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>>677140024
>implying you brought anything meaningful to the discussion

Well, alright mister big shot scientist. Listen to this, then.

You could measure curvature, if it actually existed. They say the round earth is 25,000 miles in circumference. So, using spherical trigonometry, the curvature figures to 8 inches per mile squared. The mile is squared so the first mile is 8 inches, 8x1x1 = 8, the second miles 8x2x2 = 32, the third mile is 8x3x3=72 etc.

This is the kind of curvature you would see on a ball 25,000 miles in circumference. Even if it were 100,000 miles in circumference there would be a measurable curve, that is just not observed except when viewed through a convex window or using a lens effect.
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The Earth is square. It has been made square by too many square people; like you, OP.
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>>677139760
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>>677138577
explain gravity.
or come up with 500 years of alternative science because gravity can't cope with a flat earth.
explain eartg's own shadow (its actually a thing)
explain gravitational waves.
explain Black holes.
explain fucking astronomy.
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>>677140415
"Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance" - Albert Einstein
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>>677140265
https://youtu.be/VNqNnUJVcVs
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>>677140265
nigga you can see the curvature of the atmosphere from a plane or when skydiving, shit you can see it hiking up a mountain, would would know if you fucking went outside once and a while
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>>677140580
logical phallacy right here, in this post.
well done fag
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>>677140505
First of all, throwing up a bunch of questions that would take literally 50+ pages to reply is not adding to the discussion in any way, shape, or form.

As for gravity, rather than being a force, it is the upward acceleration of the Earth. The Earth always accelerates upward at 1g, which is equivalent to the gravitational acceleration in the Round Earth model. Like the force of gravity, the Earth's acceleration causes several commonly observed phenomena in our daily lives.
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>>677140415
I heard it's hip to be square though

These dubs hip af too tho
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>>677140265
Its not even a discussion
I just pointed out that if you want to bait you should at least try to be consistent
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>>677138577
The 1 April fools jokes are getting more and more stupider
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>>677139159
So retarded.
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>>677140580
Good one faggot. Go be a dumb nigger somewhere else lol
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>>677140648
This video uses round earth "science" to try and cope with FET, which simply doesn't apply.

>>677140767
As someone who has skydived myself, I can assure that is not the case. Even in a round earth model, it is inconceivable that one can actually see the curvature that supposedly exists from that kind of height. It's nothing but wishful thinking.
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>>677139986
As for the fish eye lenses, I can't discuss that since I have no knowledge on that.

>Sea is negatively charged

That makes zero sense, m8. That would cause the Earth to become some kind of super-magnet which make imposible for humans to live.

Since so, explain why the sun doesn't fall to the Earth. Also, explain gravity.
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>>677140879
I see you are answering, nonetheless.

Let's stop talking about earth's acceleration. I said gravity. Like, of all panets and stars and shit. How can you even think of a flat eartg inside the Milky Way?
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>>677141011
>>677141065
>>677141105

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle

A lot of the biggest proponents of Flat Earth Theory are those who started out determined to prove it was wrong. So, be my guest and disprove it. Be intellectually honest and really look at the evidence.

Or don't. Be a troll. Be closed minded and mock people for seeking the truth. Curl up with your warm safety blanket of indoctrination and have a great laugh.

I pretty much had the same reaction to the Flat Earth thing as you do about a year ago. Hundreds of hours of research changed my tune.
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>>677141279
Thats why i said atmosphere and not earth stupid, but ill play, if the earth is indeed flat where does it end. Explain without 30 paragraphs of bullshit
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Cheesus fucking Crust I hope this is an April fools. Your stupidity literally hurts my brain.
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>>677141324
The earth actually is a super magnet, that's what allows us to live
But it has nothing to do with water but with a spinning Ferrum core
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>>677139760
>what is perspective
look at the train tracks, they are going parallel, but it looks like they are moving to different directions
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explain binary stars systems

>inb4 they're not earth
>inb4 if gravity works even remotlely like that, it means that earth should collapse in some kind of spheroid.
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>>677139159
Then why can you see further when standing on a tower, dumbass?
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>>677141324
> That would cause the Earth to become some kind of super-magnet
The earth IS a magnet.

>explain why the sun doesn't fall to the Earth
That's explained in the post you replied to and the answer is quantum trapping. Learn to read.

>>677141346
Gravity does not exist in FET, that's exactly the point.

>>677141522
It is bordered by ice by what we usually understand to be Antartica.

>pic related

>>677141597
If you can't entertain a thought and logically experiment with it, it's your loss.
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>>677142083
The Matrix has a draw distance.
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>>677141464
>>677141464
>>>677141011
>>>677141065
>>>677141105
> Hundreds of hours of research changed my tune.

That's some time well spent fam.
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Flat Earth is the mother of all conspiracies.

That besides the satanists controlling the world...

Good luck to everyone who has freed themselves from the controllers.
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>>677141464
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>>677138577

The entire theory is stupid as shit. Comparable to that one stupid IZ DIS DRESS BLACK AND GOLD?OR BLUE AND WHITE XD? The thing is, retards (like you), actually thought the dress was black and gold just because that's what everyone else started thinking.
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>>677141846
Earth is truly sui generis. All other celestial objects are actually smaller than what we believe and gaseous in nature. How they interact with each other is totally different from anything related to the earth.

>>677142083
>>677141782
>pic related
It’s all about perspective and, to a certain degree, refraction. Things start disappearing at the convergence point. At the horizon, this means from the bottom up.
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>>>677142111
>Gravity does not exist in FET, that's exactly the point.

Then, please, explain how does FET cope with black holes.
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>>677142459
see: >>677142526

>>677142520
It was, in fact, black and gold.
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>>677142329
>That besides the satanists controlling the world...
They're Luciferions.
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>>677142666
Have you ever seen one? Can ANYONE actually see one? All we have are dubious images fed to us by NASA.
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>>677139159
>completely flat
what about hills then? are you instead to imply to me that the earth is simply a disk? or do we live in four spacial dimensions now?
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>>677141782
Here's another picture conceptualizing the vanishing point.
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>>677142745
My b
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>>677142856

Read Hawking.
or google about Virgo and come back again, please.

TL;DR a gravitational wave regarding a collapsing system of two black holes (not two neutron stars, not one star and one black hole, but exactly two black holes) has been measured not so long ago.
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>>677142998
Flat in the sense that it is not a sphere. Don't be daft.
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>>677143270
It doesn't change what I've said. Have YOU ever seen it? There is a conspiracy to get us to believe the earth is round. Obviously, they try their best to feed us lies.
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>>677138873
IF sun is constantly floating above flat earth, how is it that it sets and rises over the horizon? Shouldn't it be visible at all times?
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>>677142856
>>677143270
And NASA has got nothing to do with that interferometer.
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>>677143473
The sun circles the Earth, making a ring above the plain from a distance of around 3,500 miles. Sunlight is only visible for about a third of the earth at a given time. It has a diameter of around 32 miles, which explains why we cannot see the sun from all spots at all times.

>>677143490
It's a conspiracy involving many different parties, NASA being just one of them.
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If earth is flat what's on the bottom?
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>>677143473
if there were a light bulb above your head about 30 feet...but then it moved 100 miles to the west...would you still see that bulb?
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>>677143729
Inner earth

Agartha, Mu, Atlantis, etc
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>>677143634
see: >>677140265

>>677143729
Only the military powers of the world would know. They've been digging secret underground bases for centuries. They have digging technology that is straight out of sci-fi books.

The deepest 'civilians' have ever gone is supposed to be 8 miles down, done in Russia. At 8 miles their drill bits were said to become ineffective but I think that's been another fake story meant to keep us from discovering the truth.

The problem with digging is that you don't have to dig far, for it to get extremely hot. You can learn something about the earth's composition by studying seismic waves. That the earth has a magnetic field is indicative that there's something big and metallic in there.

Also, I have to leave. I'll come back later tonight with more.

>USE YOUR MIND, PEOPLE. DON'T BELIEVE BLINDLY IN WHAT THEY TELL YOU.
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>>677143446
I've measured it, fam. I am part of the team working there. And measuring it is even better. Your eyes lie to you, all the time. Especially when you're trying to see a wave in 10-20hz frequency range.
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>>677140879
How come that g is different at different heights if it's a flat earth that just accelerates at an static rate?
How would this acceleration even work considering relativity is a thing?
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>>677143446
have you ever seen a magnetic field?!
Never go full retarded man, you don't even see microwaves that cook your meals.
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This whole thread is a fucking b8.

10/10 for the topic
10/10 for the effort
1/10 for the arguments
2/10 for making me reply
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Ok,guy, so if the earth is flat, what is on the underside and how far would one have to drill until we can see right through the surface? Also, what are stars? Are they flat masses also?
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>>677138577
Oh, so you're retarded. It's amazing that you figured out how to post your idiotic bullshit on /b/. Fuck off with this flat earth bullshit you fucking troglodyte.
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>>677138873
The is tantamount to everything revolving around the earth. Stfu
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>>677138577
>I'm now convinced the earth is, indeed, flat.

If this is true, and you're not just the troll I suspect you are, then you're a gullible moron with an incredibly poor understanding of science, and even basic geometry.

I just checked, and there are flights from Sydney, Australia to Capetown, South Africa available that take 13-14 hours.

You want to tell me how that's possible, based on the >16,000 miles distance between the two, based on your map?

There are direct flights available in 747's.

Protip: 747's can't achieve 1200 miles per hour.
Not only that, look closely at your map. Do you fucking realize that Australia is roughly the same size as North America on it? You know, distances can be fucking measured...
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This is all new and quite interesting to me.

This flat earth theory is rather clever. I do see a big gaping hole in it though.

The whole idea of earth accelerating upwards at 1g is a problem. Even if earth is not nearly as old as we have proven it to be, the earthmustbe hurtling through space at way above the speed of light.

This is quite impossible and since you insist all astronomy is being faked, are you suggesting that math and einsteins equations can somehow be faked too?
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>>677143968
Jea, it's like there's something like a gigantic iron sphere that rotates in liquid iron and is kept in solid form through massive pressure trough gravity and emits a B field because of its rotation around the own axis
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>>677143286
you use the same scientific concepts to attempt to disprove that the Earth is round that were nearly entirely built, at a fundamental level, on the idea that the Earth is indeed round. The same scientists who would agree the Earth is round created all of the mathematics that youre using to "disprove" it. Its disengenous. You need to reinvent trigonometry. But you cant, because your system would be illogical.

Lets just take a moment to consider wind effects. In a flat Earth, jetstreams would have to literally split and turn and circle the border of your dumbass flat Earth and back. But Im pretty sure (unless you want to debate this too) that weather scientist have measured winds on Antarctica (your supposed border) and have found that relativistcally this is simply not true. Now youre going to have to tell me that the fucking Earth is a pacman game and they just fly to the other side through a worm hole to continue in this straight line
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I feel this was the best thread I've ever seen since i got on 4chins in 2005
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just ask felix baumgartner.... he'll tell you
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>>677144660
Einstein was wrong bruh

Velikovsky was better than him
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>>677144750
HE USED THE WORD "B FIELD". OH SHIT. HES A PHYSICIST. GUISE HES RIGHT.
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>>677143932
actually you would be able to see it.
if it was dark and you have a clean vision on it.
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TL:DR
>tin foil hat fashion day here
>no credible sources
>April fools faggots here
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>>677144769
Thank you, really.
FET and it's fucking trigonometry.
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>>677138577
Why do you refuse to accept mathematics
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>>677143932
if the lightbulb was a million times the size of your head then yeah moron, you would be able to see it
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>>677138577
Uh.. get educated shit lord
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>>677144923
>Einstein was wrong bruh

Then you're going to have to explain how everything from GPS to nuclear reactors work, because a whole range of technology is based on his equations.

GPS relies on the time differential between fast-moving satellites to calculate position. If relativistic time distortion doesn't work, then GPS doesn't work.

Nuclear reactors, (not to mention nuclear weapons) wouldn't work if relativity was wrong, either.
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>>677139317
Te earth is not a ball it's an oval shape
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Flat Earth Theorists vs Normal People

What a time to be alive.
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>>677144660
anon, the Pythagorean theorem is still a theorem because there are no more than a couple solutions to it.
It doesn't even work 2% of the time.
You can't accept this bullshit as truth. This was the theory used to explain ships disappearing on the horizon in the 1600s and STILL people don't take note of the fact that it CAN NEVER BE PROVEN and given the title of "equation" because it DOESN'T FUCKING WORK.

This is by far my greatest reason for believing.
If you don't believe me, try to get some numbers into this equation and if you create ONE CALCULATION that doesn't work, you have disproven the theory and it can never be fact.
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>>677145792
terrible terrible attempt at trolling. i can think of literally an infinite amount of number sets that work. theyre called pythagorean triples.
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>>677144923
A theory can be wrong and I'm willing to entertain the idea of Einstein being wrong.

A Mathematical equation, however van not be wrong. Anyone with an understanding of Math will be able to confirm that higher than lightspeed travel is not possible.
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>>677140879
> The Earth always accelerates upward at 1g

So we're now floating in space at the speed of light, basing on how long we've been accelerating for.

Because fuck relativity, that's what. And fuck quantum mechanics, too. Too bad without it there would be no mobile phones.
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>not adhering to time cube theory
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>>677145792
>It doesn't even work 2% of the time.

:^)
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>>677145792
>the Pythagorean theorem doesn't even work 2% of the time

wtf are you talking about fag?
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>>677145530
He won't accept the existence of satellites since they are in space
Also everything needed to disproof flat Earth is literally a picture of a sunset
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>>677145792
A2 + B2 = C2

Prove this THEOREM, still accurately titled A FUCKING THEORY (400 Years and no one can prove it LOL) and the earth will be round guys.
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/thread
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>>677146124
>calls it a theorem
>doesn't realize that this means it's a theory
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Explain to me, if the earth is flat, how do you go from 1 and end up in 2? I don't know if anyone else question this but fuck it
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>>677146158
>>677146300

you moron, you need to prove it WRONG for it to be disregarded.
Show me a right angled triangle that doesn't obey this law
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>>677145792
no you downie, theorums can be proved. didn't you go to school
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>>677146082
>time cube theory
ok i'll bite this time
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>>677138577
sooo OP, you can see the the ISS with your eyes in dark areas, you can see some sattelites too, between some hours like fast dots moving
why don't they fall? in the flat earth model, something like the ISS can't exist, how ca you explain that?
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>>677138577
Worst attempt at trolling ever
and if you are the same guy that post this every time you are the epitome of a basement loser
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>>677146224
Fish eye lenses make distant objects look round. Proof.
This wall is surely not curved.
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>>677138577
I'm a pilot and have overflown the south pole.
You flat earth people are idiots.
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DON'T SAIL WEST MATEYS TIS THE EDGE OF THE WORLD
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>>677144660
Finally someone came up with a decent counter that flat fags cant explain away without sounding like an uneducated nigger.

See>>677145792 for example.
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>>677146418
shit's dead but it was so real
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>>677146300
the fuck are you talking about? i copy pasted the original faggot.

you need to look for falsification of a hypothesis in order to rule it out
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This is bait. Flat earth society is supposed to be a joke. It's like the dihydrogen monoxide website (DHMO.org)
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>>677146346
this
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>>677146539
i dont give a fuck about the image... the point is you can literally just ask this guy.
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>>677146158
https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/2wtmpc/why_is_the_pythagorean_theorem_still_only_a/
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>>677139317
You can only see the top of it you dumbass. If the world was flat you'll be able the see the base of the statue and the people walking around it.
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>>677138577
post source retard
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>>677146066
Ehm way to repeat another anons arguement>>677144660
Try being original
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>>677139579
if the earth was flat the water would run off the edges into space.
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People think this is an April fools joke lol you guys need to search for youtube videos of these flat earther bull shit.

But, alas, I'll simply tell you this. Foucalts pendulum debunks flat earth theory. Every argument against the pendulum has never been confirmed. Ex: "Herp derp electromagnetism affects it," wrong, it doesn't, prove it

Foucalts pendulum is the nail in the coffin, irrefutable evidence. Even though flat earthers would like to think they can, they couldn't "debunk"it even if they tested their own theories.
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http://www.n2yo.com/space-station/

How do you explain this...
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>>677146663
Special relativity does allow for constant acceleration without reaching the speed of light. This has been explained in countless flat earth threads.
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>why don't scientists tell us it's flat then?
>BECAUSE!!!

real convincing flat earthers.
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>>677138577
Wait, so what happens when you "go off the edge" of the flat earth?
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>>677147094
Is that the one with the Schuler perioid?
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>>677146733
A=1. B=2. C calculated to be 5.
1 squared + 2 squared = 5 squared

Sr of 5 =2.2360679775
2.2360679775 x2.2360679775 = 5.00000402

This disproves your theory without going past the numbers 1 and 2.
There is no square root of 5. Google is full of shit.
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>>677141065
in direct proportions to the number of americans on the site
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>>677147317
I'd argue it's a 10/10 bait. OP has been gone for ages and the idiots are still going on about it.
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>>677146346
OP
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>>677147022
1. he did not speak about quantum mechanichs.
2. have you literally got nothing better to do than point out similar arguments? (which havent been disproven, btw)
jeez, man.
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>>677147322
An magical entity teleports you to the edge on the other side of the pizza so you are still on the antarctic border obviously
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>>677138577
ADRIAN I SWEAR TO FUCK IF THIS IS YOU!
I'LL SEE YOU IN CLASS TOMORROW MORNING
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>>677146158
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>>677146698
https://web.archive.org/web/20160112011754/http://timecube.com/ it still lives
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Two ultra basic bitch questions

1) If there are so many that believe in FET, how comes there are no real pictures of the supposed "edge of the world"

2) Whats on the other side of this disc then?
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>>677147446
The numbers you use are rounded idiot
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>>677147446
So, we're now proving exact math with computers?
Do you even 32 bit float point arithmetic, bro?
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>>677147446
or how about dont round off the numbers to a decimal place thats convenient?
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>>677143704
Oh for fuck's sake. Your parents should be ashamed of you.
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>>677138577
If this is indeed true, who the fuck benefits from the Earth being round?
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>>677147764
>I forgot all about this. Oh my fuck.
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This, op is 100% bait
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Most conspiracy theories interest me, buy this one is bullshit. Let's say the powers at be are actively trying to convince us that the earth is round. Why? Why would they do this? Who benefits from such a lie, and how?

There's no motive for propagating a round earth lie, and thus no reason to question the science, which is all very valid.
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>>677148124
>>677146346
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>>677148124
this?
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>>677147888
ROUND IT OFF
That's not an accurate mathematical method anon.
You have to be retarded to use the words "round it up" and "fact" in the same sentence.
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>>677148020
The NASA
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>>677148020
The lizzardjews
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>>677147322
If OP doesn't answer this, his opinion is useless
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>>677142111
>It is bordered by ice by what we usually understand to be Antartica.

If this is true then it would be literally impossible to travel in a straight line south from the coast of antartica and arrive at another coast.

This is therefore testable. And your hypothesis can by proven right or wrong.
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>>677148229
fucks wrong with you?
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>>677148020
Who do you think coined the phrase "Money makes the world go round"? - The Jews!
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>>677147876
It's supposedly heavily guarded. OP addressed this somewhere in this thread.
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The moon is inverted from North to south hemispheres. If you are at the north pole the moon will be upside down for the guy at the north pole. That is because the earth is round. That can be disproved
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>>677138577
The earth accelerating upwards at 1g would not explain what we feel as gravity. Everything would be traveling at 1g as well. Similar to how you can walk around a plane moving 500 mph without getting plastered to the back of it. Even it you drop something on a plane it doesn't fly to the back.

/thread
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>>677145568
This is true actually. The earth is not a perfect sphere because of how fast we rotate around our axis.
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>>677148229
I neither used the term rounded up nor the term fact
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>>677148475
Upside down. For guy at South pole**
Sorry lol
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>>677148320
/thread
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>>677138577
I'm convinced OP is a faggot
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lol FET is literally for poors who have never been in a plane
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>>677148515
This is false. Gravity is measured as acceleration. 1 g is 9.81 m/s/s. If you were on a disk accelerating upward at this rate, you would in fact be stuck to its surface.
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>>677138577
There are photos of Earth from space.
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>>677148272
How about the fact that you're here because of the world wide web, created at CERN, which, as far as conspiracy theorists are concerned, is in this with NASA.
Conspiracy? be it. at least they're not spending money on weapons or killing people in Siria; the worst thing they did was giving us 'three Ws'
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>>677148515
>The earth accelerating upwards at 1g would not explain what we feel as gravity. Everything would be traveling at 1g as well.

OP is obviously a moron, but you do realize that acceleration is not the same as velocity right? Accelerating at 1g forever would definitely make you feel 'gravity' of 1g.
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>>677148020
if you didn't anticipate the answers you got....
whooo.
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>>677148646
zimmerman
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Is the pic how you think the earth is?

You realize you can go around the earth from North to South, then back up to the north pole in one straight line, right?

3/10 b8, wouldn't bite again
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>>677148416
You're trying to prove an equation with the phrase "round it off" like people are going to accept 3rd grade mathematical butchering as a hard fact.

It is a theorem for exactly the reason that I just posted, if it doesn't work in one situation then it can not be accepted as a fact.
Enjoy your THEOREM I have to get some fresh air from arguing with preteens that have the smell of lingering failure on them.
Try to prove the square root of 5 while I'm out - it doesn't exist without garbage math like "round it up anon."
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I live on the beach of lake Erie and you can see the curve.
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>>677148748
You meant m/s^2
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How does OP explain the Suns motion? Or wtf the sun even is? Is it a giant light bulb hung from some huge mechanical system?
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>>677148936
I knew someone would answer like that. The fact that the FET idiots are ignoring me is because they can't answer it.
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>>677145792
I'm sure this is bait but here you go.
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>>677148754
There are photos of fucking sunsets
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>>677139159
Now, I'm sure this whole thread is some bait, but dude, none of this is true. Come on now
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>>677149014
>>677148416
>>677148229
>>677147888
what the fuck does 'try to prove the square root of 5' mean?
try to prove 6.
Try to prove a chair.
try to prove the letter A.
daaaamn, never go full retard.
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Replies are actually retarded, on both sides
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>>677149014
you are a moron. it does work. no one said to "round it off" we said YOU rounded the value of Sr5 to 2.2360679775

just using the shitty mac calculator i get a more accurate value moron
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>>677149196
OP is actually right on this one. You literally cannot see the curvature from anywhere on earth.
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Let me ask you this, FETs:

What is the point? Why would scientists and governments be keeping this a secret? What is the purpose of having everyone believe that the Earth is not flat?
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>>677149460

im agreeing with you. the fucking idiot doesnt know what irrational number or repeating decimal are.
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>>677142666
Checked, and this.
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>>677148515
Mixed up traveling and accelerating, my bad. If its traveling at 1g, what I said before applies. If its constantly accelerating at 1g automagically, then it would quickly reach close to speed of light and become super massive, require crazy amounts of energy, and appear frozen in time to outside observers
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>>677149729
Only because the earth's rounding off makes a flat circle from the viewers perspective. There is a reason crow's nests exist in boats. You see a larger circle if view.
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