Not to mention evening the playing field so that a kid born to broke parents can have a chance to be as self made as someone who "got a small loan of a million dollars" from their parents.

>>676547108
It sounds nice yes, but what makes you think it will work?

Nothing... Really...
However then it needs to work perfectly which it never can, because the world is not perfect.
So let's settle for somewhat perfected systems, sadly, those doesn't exist either.
It's a nice thought that's extraordinarily difficult to pull off.

>>676547657
there's a reason immigrants are flocking to scandinavia

>>676547657
What makes you think it won't? You can go to Denmark right now and see it works in person. They're also the best rated country in the world for business, so the "antibusiness" label doesn't work. A mixed market system makes for a stronger capitalism.

>>676547824
In Scandinavia. But in America will it work? Will the government actually be able to handle this?

I already graduated college and paid off my student loans. I get health insurance through my employer. For me, Bernie's most-repeated proposals are nothing more than higher taxes to pay for things I already have/had.

USA:
>has no problem paying for bombs that kill women and children
>complains about paying for your neighbors cancer treatment

>>676547893
Because it will be implemented by the same government that caused the global recession

Simple. Raising taxes raises the price of goods, and subsequently the price of loans. Small businesses would cost substantially more to fund and set up, diminishing entrepreneurial endeavors. Health care will be handled by the government, where people will be again paying fees for every time they DON'T or can't afford it.

And, might I add, it won't make anything competitive. When everything is being provided for you and real work doesn't get you anything, then nobody is going to compete.

>>676547108
You do understand that the president is a figurehead. He has little power. Most of his plans will never pass congress, so a vote for him is a vote for four years of stagnation.
Yes, he has good ideas.
No, they have no chance of becoming a reality.

>>676548035
>america is a magic kingdom where economic reality doesn't apply

>>676548097
Implying you couldn't lose everything tomorrow

>>676547108
The wall is the cheapest. Trump wins.

>>676547782
Nothing is perfect, but why is this an argument? What we can do is look at what works best.

And right now the happiest, healthiest, wealthiest countries in the world with the most freedom and best business climate are in Scandinavia and Iceland and Denmark, where they spend public money on public welfare. It enables the public to spend their money in the economy rather than on debt slavery.

>>676548243
>A wall which wouldn't stop immigrants or drugs into the country.

>>676548197
>america is ran by corrupt politicians who only want to line their pockets. Lets give them the power that determines my healthcare
Ftfy

>>676548273
Thank you.

>>676548342
> corrupt politician amass money
> higher taxes make them pay more into the system

the system works!!

>>676548148
>child's nightmare
don't be afraid retard, you're wrong

>>676548342

>instead let's give it to the businessmen who help to elect the corrupt politicians.

Fucking brilliant

>>676548123
The government didn't cause the global recession, wtf lol. It was caused by bankers that engaged in extremely risky behavior with tax money. The government enabled it by repealing laws, so they need to put the laws back in place.

>>676548342
>against corrupt political system
>against the guy trying to fix that
>in favor of keeping healthcare in the hands of the pharmaceutical industry

>>676548322
Still cheaper than universal healthcare and education.

>>676548681
>the government didnt cause it
>the government enabled it
Now youre just splitting hairs

>>676547108
College is an unnecessary and highly inefficient method of education. Education should be focused on learning skills, not collegiate bullshit. Same goes for elementary and secondary schools.

Government is the reason tuition is $15k instead of $3k. The more they play with it, the lower the quality and higher the price.

Universal healthcare is only solving the problems you created with Obamacare. It will continue to drive prices up and the country will be further in debt.

But hey, you'll be a self-satisfied fake altruist and who can put a price on that faggy smug smile?

>>676548857
so is a bridge to nowhere

>>676548883
>now you're just observing reality
ftfy

>>676548273
You talk too much of Scandinavia. Sanders isn't running in Norway or Denmark. If his systems doesn't work perfectly, he will be ripped apart, be it by CNN or Fox.
Don't get me wrong, I like Sanders, but just because it works in Scandinavia doesn't mean it will work in America.

>>676549053
what is it about america that makes common sense policies not work?

>>676548322
Yes it would. Walls work, faggot. See Israel

>>676549174
Do you not live here?

>>676549174
Common sense is sadly not very objective from culture to culture.

>>676547108
shhh, you'll actually make america into something else than a joke the last 16 years.

>>676548979
>elementary school should be focused on learning skills
>great welder, poor critical thinker with no knowledge beyond making a living

>>676548148
There's a lot wrong here but let me respond to this:

"it won't make anything competitive. When everything is being provided for you and real work doesn't get you anything, then nobody is going to compete."

I'm talking about competition INTERNATIONALLY. Other countries are siphoning our goods and our people. I know several people who left the USA to go to Germany where they could get free education. They became engineers and stayed there because why not?

Meanwhile we are importing more than we are exporting and shipping jobs overseas. That's not competetive, that's bending over.

If we want to compete internationally we need an educated and healthy and happy workforce.

>>676547108
You need that wall though

>>676549200
You know most drugs and illegals arrive by plane, right?

Literally retarded idea.

>>676548985
Just like universal education.

>>676548097
No mate, you still have to pay for a portion of your healthcare. You would still pay less, nobody is going to deny you treatment or force you to receive care a certain way. Insurance companies and pharmaceutical cronyism have skyrocketed healthcare costs in the states and it's fucking ridiculous.

>>676549319
>culture
>investing taxes
wut u talkin bout

>>676549200
the wall just keeps you stuck inside with all the worst people in the world

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Ill just leave this to the people claiming how socialism is doing wonders in other countries..

>>676549536
>american culture
>the country made by rejecting taxes
>hurr
Come on man

>>676549053
I never understood this argument. A fulcrum is a fulcrum no matter the size or location. It's a simple economic principle that a wealthier consumer base is good for the entire system. What would make that "not work" here?

>>676548857
I mean, Mexico's not building that wall. So if that wall's going up it's coming from taxpayers.

>>676549200
>how to get drugs thru a wall
>throw drugs over the wall
>use a ladder
>use simple homemade cannon
>tunnel under the wall
All of these things have actually happened too.

>>676547108
mexico is going to pay for the wall tho. and it'll save tax payers billions once the illegals are kicked out and none are let back in

For the love of Spaghetti, please stop trying to use tiny European countries as an example of what the US would be like. They talk about American exceptionalism, but there are many cases in which we *are* fundamentally different from the rest of the world.

The country was built upon the ideals of individual freedom from the ruling class. We are a union of separate states, not one single body. We are much larger than any of these countries.

We are simply fundamentally different in structure and attitude from the majority of the world. We are not fucking Denmark.

>>676549507
making citizens smarter so they stop electing republicans (and most dems) is an investment with high return. building a WALL is just an expensive and retarded way to get out of legalizing all drugs, bankrupting drug gangs and making latin america safe enough to not have to flee

>>676549536
A culture is a set of ideas, such ideas can be economical.
Americans have one way at looking at money, say Swedes have another.
If you bring on too great changes in a short amount of time you will have a disconnect between people and state

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>>676549174
Public education isn't too fantastic across the board. Shit, some states teach intelligent design along with evolution because it makes "jesus" happy. that makes no sense.

>>676547108
You can raise my taxes and pay for universal higher education right after you refund me everything I spent out of pocket for me to go college.
Same for several decades worth of Healthcare premiums for universal healthcare.

>>676548857
tbh, education is worthwhile for some people. New inventions would help out the economy.

>>676549051
Business bought off government so that government looked the other way. It was bankers that caused it, not government. It's not splitting hairs, it's responding to your argument that government can't be trusted because they caused the recession.

They didn't. They just didn't prevent it. And they should have. Which is why we need someone to stand up to them and prevent it from happening again.

Why is everyone so fucking black and white. Cant we all agree that its a worthy goal and take small steps towards making it happen without upending our entire economic structure.

>>676547108
There isn't anything fundementally wrong with it, but where do those taxes come from?
Do you think Bernie would impose new taxes or raise old ones, because we all know it isn't going to be totally free nor very cheap in revenue to accomplish his goals.
That is why he still won't get my vote, I feel the cost is not worth the payout, especially in my state

>>676549492
as a homeland security major, "most" no. Some? yes.

>>676548883

There's a significant difference there. If I park a car on a flat hill near a cliff and leave it in neutral. I enable the opportunity to roll that fucker off, but I also enable it to roll the other way too. Now, if you come along and push that fucker off the cliff, I didn't roll that car off, you did. Maybe I should have put it in park, maybe there was a good reason why I left it in neutral. But At the end of the day I did not roll that motherfucker off the cliff, so don't say it's my fucking fault.

>>676548114
Joke's on you: my cancerous neighbor blew up his wife and kid already

My country already have both and we are 3rd world still

Swedes buy insurance to skip long health lines.

http://www.thelocal.se/20140117/hospital-queues-tied-to-insurance-trend

>>676550023
I haven't argued anything else in this thread. Middleground is always the best to stand on

>>676547108
The problem is that shouldn't the the first step. Tuition and medical services, including doctor wages, need to be reigned in first. Else we are just wasting tax dollars.

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>>676549641
>the opinions of a school teacher
>the undeniable facts that contradict her
let your faith sustain you

>>676549641
>schoolteacher
>expert in anything
Choose 1

>>676549374
If you think critical thinking skills can be taught by a teacher in a classroom, you are fucking retarded. People should learn to read, write, arithmetic and structure of government, but beyond that their learning should be skills-based.

History should be learned outside of public schools as all too often it's pathetic one-sided drivel that (whether intentional or not) is brainwashing kids into believing shit that was marginally true at best.

>>676548114
Nice strawman.

>>676549877
>make citizens smarter so so they stop electing republicans

Most illuminating post in 2016.
Universal education = Universal indoctrination

>>676548979
Healthcare costs are going up because the government in its infinite wisdom has committed the cardinal sin of capitalism and reduced competition. Insurance companies are just a shitty middle man and their presence by its very nature has increased healthcare costs through the decades. Now you are REQUIRED BY LAW to buy into their shit. Universal healthcare not only solves Obamacare, but solves the issue that made the ACA so shitty in the first place.

The single-payer system works akin to how an organization gives care to its employees. Everybody puts a bit of their paycheck into the company pool and collectively have insured care. It's just now, you won't have to deal with dipshit insurance companies complicating the transaction.

>>676550225
But it was your fault. Dont cover yourself in raw meat and get upset when dogs chase you

>>676549641
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026950608

>>676547108
Taxation is theft

>>676550038
He plans on sucking 300 billion dollars out of Wall street every year.

>>676549666
it was actually no taxation without representation. electing representatives who set tax rates and allocate funds is not anti-american. see whiskey rebellion

>>676549976
OK, so let me decide if I invest my money in it or not.

Americans aren't going to pay for the wall retard

>>676549941
I feel your pain. I am deep in debt to college and hospitals. I want a refund too.

But because we had to get screwed, we're going to pass on the screwing to the next generation? That's pretty fucking selfish.

A resource to bookmark:

Get all the various tax rates for countries.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/country-list/personal-income-tax-rate

>>676549712

I agree with Sanders, but the Scandinavian economies are built around a small, highly educated work force driven by high-tech sectors and manufacturing. The USA economy is, like the UK, centered around finance and banking, this has an impact on society and culture; thus the situation in Scandinavia will never likely be reproduced in these countries. That's not to say that the USA shouldn't invest money into the public sector of course, but that's a different argument.

>>676549641
well germany is a social state too and we have the most cities that are best to live in the world. google is your friend.

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>>676550417
Not as long as you use the infrastructure of your country, no.

>>676547824
Yeah. It's to steal all of that oil money.

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>>676547108

>What's wrong with using $100 of your money to buy $500 of shit for me?

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>>676549200
Drones, nigga

>>676550360
i would actually like a government with both left and right libertarians, but if you think there are some redeeming qualities of the republican party, speak

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>>676549492
>implying the wall is the only solution
Though I think there are better alternatives. Harsh penalties for harbouring or employing illegals, a requirement for a proof of citizenship along with ID in all matters that require an ID, tattoo illegals so if the sneak in again we just kill them, and swift death sentences for aiding, trafficking, or selling drugs. Much cheaper.

>>676549877
Make Americans smarter so they eliminate the two party system, you mean? The DNC and GOP as organizations are the whole reason we fail politically. They're the only reason we are constantly stuck with terrible candidates. Don't you dare suggest either party is better. Remember that Hillary is running, and doing well.

Hide bernout threads
Ignore bernout posters

MAGA faggot

>>676550379

How was it my fault? I left it in a safe place, where if left alone, it would not have fallen off the cliff. Some other fucker decided to push it off the cliff. That would be the fucker to put the blame on.

>>676550351
>thinking skills can be taught by a teacher in a classroom
>socrates

>>676550610
Please keep it civilized though... If that is in any way possible

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>>676550610
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>>676550351
>History should be learned outside of public schools
>the civil war wernt about slavery!

>>676548097
Everyone all growed up should feel the same.

>>676550610
Abandon thread, shit is about to get ugly

>>676550514
It's pretty fucking selfish to expect people who paid out of pocket for college to now also pay out of pocket for other people to go to college too.
Refund my tuition and you've got a deal. Hell, I'll even take it spread out over 10 years without interest.

Fuck Bernie.

>>676549941

I wonder if people who lost their house to fire just before the invention of the fire department demanded reparations for losing their house and needing to pay for damages that could have been prevented?

This is exactly what you are asking. We cannot fix problems by first acting as if we fix them several decades in the past. I get it, it sucks that I am $20,000 in debt but we are here now so let's insure others don't have to add to the weight of this nation as we are.

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>>676550351

100% philistine

>>676550277
it is if you're too lazy, stupid, or afraid to go with the evidence. sometimes one side is completely wrong

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>>676550481
Right but more education means more possible worthwhile inventions to invest in. Also means more specialization in the workforce.

>>676550279
Doctor wages are just fine. Do you know how hard that shit is? 10 years of schooling? Don't even start. The issue is the cost of medical equipment and super expensive medication (both of which are the result of lack of competition. Spitting in the face of true capitalism) compounded with cost rising in general thanks to insurance companies. They are nothing but a useless middle man.

>>676550259
inb4 inflatable sex family

>>676550724
You dont leave something that can be taken advantage of because you were too naive to think somebody wouldnt exploit it. The blame falls on both, but if you didnt not leave the car there in the first place, in that situation this wouldnt have been an issue. So you started the situation and you should hold blame

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>>676549641
I trust a Danish teacher a hell of a lot more than a sweaty faceless neckneard here about Danish life

>>676547108
People don't realize that we already pay taxes for public schools, for roads, for emergency services. They bitch about socialism, but forget at the end of the year, they pay for those things. As a home owner, I pay a county tax, a MUD tax (municipal utility district) and school taxes which cover tertiary and primary schools. A little more spread out over the hundreds of thousands in my area, isn't going to affect anyones lifestyle... but it's going to do so much for those who can't.

If taxation is theft, then the rights of others takes away your freedom by the sane kind of logic. Society is interdependent, no matter what you say. We all have rights and therefore we all have obligations. If we want a functional society, there will be SOME level of collectivism.

Taxation without representation is theft. Taxation without a ROI is theft.

Taxation that BENEFITS us in the form of public services, parks, schools, libraries, fire departments, food inspection, roads, national guard - these are the hallmarks of a functional society, NOT of violence and theft.

>>676550912

Thats selfish of you, actually

>>676550008
yeah i was agreeing with you retard not that other guy

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>>676547108

Bernie help use taxes to pay for the f35. A 1.5 trillion dollar jet that does not work.

He wants the minimum wage to be 15 bucks, he refuses to pay any of his staff over 12.

He believes if you're white, you don't know what it means to be poor.

Fuck this fag.

>>676550944
It literally isn't.
Because going forward they had fire protection.
Going forward, I will not need to go to college again.
Fuck your shit analogy

>>676550351

>Skills-based

So how do we decide who's in charge? Are they raised with leadership as their skill-based training? Maybe we should give them some name since they've been trained all their life for this job of leadership? What should we call them? Lord? King? Your Majesty sounds like a great title...

>>676549938
they're breaking the law. just gotta enforce the first amendment (which includes taxing churches)

>>676550565

You're right!

We need to put it back into manufacturing. That's half of the plan right there.

>>676550371
All of the services have to be paid for. So either you imagine that the government will negotiate/dictate *lower* prices for healthcare services or the total cost to taxpayers will rise significantly, since more services will be used by people forced to pay for them.

The government won't do that and the total costs will rise further. And by the time you cucks realize, it will be too late.

The government should get out of healthcare completely. Get rid of Medicare and all that shit and let people help others voluntarily in their communities.

>>676550989
I had to buy some anti migraine pills. From costco and without insurance it was ~ $50.00. From walgreens with insurance my co-pay was $9.00, but the total cost, for the same dose, of the same drug, was $611.00. So yeah I agree, few things need to get sorted.

>>676550636
Coalition governments? No thank you. Europe is full of them and it's always a wasted legislature, sometimes even worse. God bless bipartisanship.

>>676551248
but maybe you'll have kids someday.

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>>676550417
/thread

>>676550966
In this case there isn't. So what's the problem here exactly?

>>676547108
Mexico will pay for the wall, dumbdumb.

>>676551156
It's selfish of me to not think you're entitled to my money to pay for something I had to pay for myself?

Glass this stupid earth.

>>676550665
This

>>676551246
sadly true. That was a weak episode of lastweektonight. The one about the wall was much better.

>>676550912
Seems fair.

>>676550417
who printed the money?

>>676550829
Actually, it really was only one of many reasons for the Civil War. But I learned that shit in my shitty public high school. Where the fuck did you go to school?

>>676550912
You should just be exempt from some taxes.

>>676551392
What if I don't? What if I can't?

>>676551439
Nigger, you already pay for people to get something you paid for. Ever heard of school and county taxes? Fucking retard.

>>676550481
fine, vote for your senator and representative

>>676551248

Says you, going forward we all may need college again. We don't know what the job market and demands of education will be in the future. Don't mark yourself off just yet, you may still want to take advantage of free education if it means to improve your life. I have seen 60-year olds in my classes before.

I know it's more ambiguous and allegory but education is what prevents disasters like fires in the first place. The country and the world will be a better place when we can get our shit together and include everyone in higher education

>>676551036

Well what if it was done with the promise of growth?

Like hey bro, you've been pushing this car up this hill forever. Let us take it from here! We'll get it all the way to the top, no problem!

Then the fucker turns around a rolls it off the hill?

I mean, yes I did open it for the opportunity, but I also believed that these people could be trusted.

>>676550912
You know it'd cost $30 a year for you right?

I'd pay that to see my country's work force be competitive. Better mind creating better jobs raises the standard of living for everybody.

"It's broken so it must stay broken."

>>676551439

Bitch are you living in a bizarre world where society functions like a small group of friends?

You are literally scum

Want to fix your country and its debt situation?

>Legalize gambling in the federal governement, tax the shit out of it.
>Legalize weed in federal, tax that too
>Semi-Legalize prostitution (brothels and massage parlors), tax it to hell
>implement country wide GST on all goods and services.
>????
>profit

>>676551580
Make me whole for what I paid for vs what they'll now be offering for free and I'm on board.

>>676550829
It was more about big government than slavery. Slaves were becoming obsolete by the start of the war thanks to new farm equipment driven by technological advancements.

>>676551650
Yes dipshit, and I went to those schools free same other people.
Nothing is changing there.

Pay attention.

>>676551773
If it costs you nothing, why do you care?

>>676551677
Then it is still on you. You know your friend is shady, he has done some shifty stuff in the past (the bankers and wall street executives) and you still trusted him? You are to blame. There is a reason car insurance doesnt pay out if your car gets stolen with the keys in it.

>>676550665
yes, that is what i mean. and yes, the democratic party is easily better than the republican party

>>676551670
Yes, says me. I won't need college again.

Going forward if I do need college again, I'll pay for it again.

>>676551750
>>Legalize weed, tax that too
Colorado, reporting

>>676551651
Just let the people take the decisions on the money that they make. That's Liberty 101.

>>676551693
$30/year.
>show your work

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>>676549492
This is not even remotely fucking true. Go look up how many drugs make it across the border. More than you can fit inside even your massive asshole and smuggled onto a plane.

>>676552118
Liberty is dead. It died when the US allowed commercial tyrants to back its presidential candidates.

>>676550628
>I don't know what socialism means
>but they want to take my money
>mine mine mine mine mine

>>676551904
Costs nothing?
Bitch are you retarded? Bernie wants to raise taxes to pay for his plan.

>>676551779
for the north, it was about not losing territory and taxes from the south. for the south, it was about defending the economic and social institution of slavery. you really think rich whites wouldn't have used free labor to get out of hiring poor whites?

>>676551394
Because he called immigrants rapists?

The blatant hate-mongering to rally supporters?

The rhetoric of blaming mexico for all our troubles?

. . . I don't know about the sexist thing.


The intellectual impact of this comic is about as spot-on as the art.

But back to the point about college and health care creating a more internationally competetive workforce.

>Also need to bring jobs back here and stop exporting them (Trump and Sanders agree on this)

A consumer economy is driven by consumer spending. If all the consumers are busy paying off all loans and hospital bills, the economy suffers.

Seems pretty logical to me.

>>676550355
Too bad it's true.

Spend trillions to bomb sand niggers, no problem.

Spend considerably less so that someone WITH INSURANCE doesn't go bankrupt on medical bills? FUCK NAW NOT IN FREEDOMLAND

>>676552216
>>676552118
Who pays for a military?

>>676552235
Which is why I said you should be exempt from some taxes. Fucking hell lrn2read.

>>676551952

I'm not sure where you stand on this issue of regulation of Capitalism, but my main issue is towards people who support less regulation. I often find that they tend to blame the government when shit goes wrong after they support the stance of the government stepping away And letting capitalism regulate itself.

>>676547108
Not everyone that goes to college should be in college. That's why you have these bullshit job ads " x job, master's preferred, $30k a year"

>>676552272
They were upgrading to better, much much better, free labor. As I already stated.

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>>676552575
If it literally costs me nothing, I'm on biard, which is what I said already, twice.
>No u

>>676550351
can't we have both? Why not allow a focus on a skill, or multiple skills? Just ask for more trade skill options in schools basically. Kids don't know what they want to do for a living and if you start pigeonholing them before they have a chance to find out they will end up in a sad cycle of "well this is all i know, though i'm not happy"

Can't wait for that extra 10% of my income to go to black women's studies majors when Bernie gets in. The world needs more equality after all

>>676551750

>no word of taxing corporations or wall street speculation

Get out of here Koch

>>676552017

And you also may not need the fire department, just let your house burn to the ground. Needs are subjective in this case and dependent on what kind of life you may want to live but the United States by in large apparently collectively agrees that we would be a better nation because of it. So...tough luck?

>>676552589
But that wasnt capitialism regulating itself, that was crony capitialism

>>676552691
That was for 2 year community college for qualified indivduals.
Now extrapolate.

>>676552118
>rich people decide they don't want to fund public schools
>oligarchy 101

>>676552546
You fail to state why we bomb who we bomb, and it's pretty important. As for healthcare its a mistake now due to how stupidly high people charge for services. Pharmaceutical companies and hospitals in particular. If that is not dealt with first we will waste billions on overpriced goods and services, just like we do on bombs and other military spending.

>>676552901
Capitalism left to its own devices becomes crony capitalism. It's not magic, humans are involved so of course if you deregulated people cheat the system or take advantage of others.

>>676552793
>by and large collectively agrees
Zozzle.
No they dont. Which is why bernies plan isn't going anywhere.

>>676552687
slaves can be used for a million things besides harvesting crops. cotton gin increased demand for slaves and slavery was part of the southern identity. it was dying out in the rest of the world because the morally superior english were stamping it out

>>676551670
Really college shouldn't be needed again and skills training should be sufficient. College in America is a joke, it's just another business. We force everyone into college and put down vocational schools all so colleges can make a fortune through tuition subsidized by government loans. College doesn't teach critical thinking anymore, a number of recent college grads I've worked with all fail at it. Most American colleges and universities have become degree mills.

>>676553034
But then you have the government who comes in and fixes everything. They should have lost their businesses, what better consequence could there be?

>>676552776
Nigger, that quoted post is groundwork to start with. Once you have those sections by the balls, you take the big corporations next. Tax them a percentage of their profits and earnings. It might vary from year to year, depending on their margins, but it would still be a substantial payout. Another good options is to obliterate tax negation for religions. Those fucks make a crap tonne of money, and if they are going to occupy land that could be better used, then they should have to pay taxes for it. Otherwise, they can thin themselves out and stop having so many fucking churches that supposedly 'live on donations'.

>>676552980

90% civilian casualties with Obama's drone program. Every terrorist we kill, we kill 9 civilians. And we are dumb enough to wonder why ISIS is becoming so popular.

>>676552938
FOX says Bernie's plan would be $70 billion per year which is cheaper. And I'm going with Fox because obviously they are going to be the most hysterical about anything Bernie says.

One thing I've noticed, that nobody else seems to have caught onto, is that Bernie says public education would be free for those that work hard and want it. This would probably take the form of full rides for students with good grades, and probably we would have some preference for free rides for people who are looking to get into areas that we need employment in. Doctors, Engineers, all of that.

>>676547108

Educate yourself
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

So has bernie presented an actual plan on how to redistribute this money to free health care like he claims? Specifics?

Seems to me his only solution is "take money from the rich and give to the poor". Pretty obvious why people want him in so much, they want free shit without needing to work for it. There should be some sort of emergency healthcare option, but I don't think the solution should just be free hospital visits whenever the fuck you want.

Don't a lot of these countries with free health care have a lot of problems with people wasting tax dollars on menial things like anxiety or sprains?

>>676547108
mexico is paying for the wall though

>>676552980
>You fail to state why we bomb who we bomb, and it's pretty important.
Iraq. Iraq was a huge fucking waste of money, international goodwill, and people's lives. It didn't net us anything except leaving a hole for ISIS to crawl into.

>High healthcare costs
True, obamacare was more of an insurance reform, and didn't do much to lower medical costs. Which are just redonkulously stupid. Completely separated from reality. But in that light, nobody actually pays those pricetags.

>>676553201
This, plus we started this whole. Inflict on the first place to get oil to make our government and corporate CEOs richer.>>676552980

The America of my time line is a laboratory example of what can happen to democracies, what has eventually happened to all perfect democracies throughout all histories. A perfect democracy, a ‘warm body’ democracy in which every adult may vote and all votes count equally, has no internal feedback for self-correction. It depends solely on the wisdom and self-restraint of citizens… which is opposed by the folly and lack of self-restraint of other citizens. What is supposed to happen in a democracy is that each sovereign citizen will always vote in the public interest for the safety and welfare of all. But what does happen is that he votes his own self-interest as he sees it… which for the majority translates as ‘Bread and Circuses.’

‘Bread and Circuses’ is the cancer of democracy, the fatal disease for which there is no cure. Democracy often works beautifully at first. But once a state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state. For when the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death, or in its weakened condition the state succumbs to an invader—the barbarians enter Rome.

Robert A. Heinlein

>>676553099
I'm not saying slaves weren't part of it. But they were becoming obsolete. The slave issue was the last straw so to speak. For the south the main issue then, as it largely is today, was "big government".

>>676552980
we bomb to make bomb-makers rich. the who doesn't matter as long as murkans are scared enough to fund more bombs

>>676553262
One problem I see is that it will piss off the snowflakes that don't make the cut for free school. Our education system pushes everyone, regardless of ability into college.

>>676552566
I'd let my government steal me for not being bombed by some muslim country. But I don't give a shit about some teenage neckbeard in Minnesota learning drafting or English high school. Fuck him, their parents pay for his education or homeschool him. It's not my fucking problem, I work like a mule to let my money be pissed away like that.

>>676553201
ISIS is becoming popular because its based on a popular religion in the area. And it civilians don't want to be bombed they should join the fight against ISIS or flee their towns. Their apathy helped create this shit, so why should I feel bad for them?

>>676553399
>the big bad oil companies done did it
See this is what I don't understand. Everyone uses oil, we use it in our cars, our electricity, and our plastics. There is a demand for oil, we NEED oil at this point in time.

If you have ever bought gasoline or something made of plastic you're a part of the "evil oil corporations" Everyone wants a scapegoat to blame but themselves, if you really want something to change look no further than yourselves

>>676553262
70 billion per year is cheaper than 80 billion over ten years?
Bitch you don't need free college, you need a free calculator.

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>left 4chan many months ago
>come back
>its full of autistic 16 year old bernie cucks who can't understand why college degrees are currently valuable

>>676548097
>I have enough to do well for myself
congrats, you're a financial minority.

meanwhile, people who do deserve to live adequately can't because the boomers decided to inflate the population faster than niggers at Watermelon-Eating Contest hosted by KFC.

>>676553480
the south seceded for two main reasons:

>lincoln wanted to stop the spread of slavery to new states, which would have tipped the balance of congressional power to the northern states

>southerners thought (wrongly) lincoln was going to abolish slavery in the south, the way modern southerners think (wrongly) that obama is out to ban guns

>>676552944
>What rich people decide on their money doesn't suit us, so we better take it from them by force.
>Socialism 101

>>676553300
Prevention is much cheaper than cure. It's more efficient

>>676553516
Personally I think that there should be free public education but for a select few degree types.

Obviously you can't just have every college program free, you'll have hundreds of thousands of feminists taking gender studies in their past time and getting Cs

We should have free education for STEM degrees, not indiscriminate degree programs.

>>676550636
They don't have progressives

>>676553898
>rich people
>"their" money
cuck

>>676553130

I absolutely agree with you. With this, however, will come a reformation of education from the ground up now that we can be less concerned about just trying to make it out alive.

>>676554070
they do have regressives, it's just not ironic

>>676553939
Obviously, but the question is how do you determine if something needs preventing?

If anyone can walk into the hospital and not pay a dime don't you think there will be people who exploit that?

>>676552087
You have legalized weed? How are things? Do you get them at the kiosk and shit?

>>676547893
But here in the u.s. we have niggers and they are a massive problem, they don't work and just want free money, I like Bernie but his plans will just make people more lazy, it's like Robin Hood except he's giving to the lazy instead of poor, minimum wage is not supposed to be lived on, it's a job for teenagers or for people who didn't achieve anything higher than a hs diploma, bernie isn't making America great

>19.2 Trillion
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>>676554193
Not him but washington/oregon here

I hate the hippies around here but there are weed stores every 5 blocks or so. Never been inside one but basically you walk in and buy the shit assuming you're over 21

>>676554210
>niggers are a massive problem
>end drug war
>improve public schools
>invest in infrastructure
>bring back manufacturing jobs
>black people are people

>>676553333
Checked.

Iraq was a huge waste of money. I don't have a problem with most of the people be fight, but we get nothing from it. The countries that couldn't take care of their own shit so we stepped in. But we don't ask for shit in return. That's fucked up. We have are own problems, we can't keep footing the bill for nothing save "morals".

>>676549763
>seismic monitoring
>lights
>security staff

Please keep brown people out of arizona

Oh, wait

>>676554078
Oh, let me guess: "it's not their money because every rich is a thief and his money belongs to the people". That bullshit was debunked like centuries ago. Read a book.

Also, go to Cuba, commie.

>>676551367
The people that founded this country would stomp your ass into the dust. As ass-backward as they were, even then they knew bipartisanship was nothing more than a noose around a countries neck, a way to play the masses off of each other while the upper class stays in control.

>>676551156
Humans are innately selfish. Anyone who pretends otherwise is lying to themselves and everyone else.

>>676553788
Oh shit I forgot, ten years vs one year. Ok so closer to $300/year.

I think the benefits are extremely worth it. Especially after the wages rise

>>676554553
better go back in time and smash the bering land bridge

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>>676554498
>mfw when you think it would be that simple
It isnt as simple as that.

>>676554193
Nah, dispensaries. And you've got to be 21 or older to buy the dope.

>>676547414
Found the dickhead.

>>676554210

I agree with you except for one point. Minimum wage is not supposed to be lived on. I agree. But the buying power of minimum wage has not risen with inflation. Look at people who could work through college and have no debt back in the 60s and 70s. There's no way you could come close to that now.

Minimum wage should match the yearly inflation, the same as nearly every other job in the country. That's just common sense.

Should it be $15? No fucking way. That's just absurdity.

>>676554663
let's just try it and see

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>>676552087
Washington Reporting.. Love the legal weed.

>>676554553
This sounds like a constant money hole with no return, especially given that immigrants statistically are less likely to commit criminal acts than citizens.

>>676549492
You're both retarded and self-absorbed. You're the worst kind of person.

>>676553699
>If you have ever bought gasoline or something made of plastic you're a part of the "evil oil corporations"

We also NEED air.

But if a corporation somehow got an iron grip on the air supply and started charging people for the thing they need to live, and was actively undermining any attempt at creating alternative supplies of air, then we'd be reasonably miffed.

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>>676547108
More like this actually

>>676554663
>>676554498
>>676554210

No idea who's talking about what, but daily reminder that blacks commit almost a third of the total crime by themselves despite being 14% of the population.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-43

For some reason they lumped Mexicans in with whites in this graph so the data on white people is questionable. Maybe they were worried that the table would show a substantial difference between certain groups of people.

Also they commit more than half of homicides, typically against other black people

>>676554962
You know that creating well paying jobs along the border brings prosperity to the area

Nigga this is basic capitalism

>>676554850
It is a culture problem. For some reason the poor in this country dont value education. Legalizing drugs would actually take money out of the community. Imvesting in infrastructure would work, but the biggest thing would be a free internet connection

>>676554808
>Minimum wage is not supposed to be lived on
yes, it is. not everyone can get a specialist job we need janitors (who are far more valuable than hot topic managers)

>>676554992
its kind of hard to "get a grip" on the entire atmosphere anon.

>>676547414
For real estate in NYC, a million is chump change. Hell in NYC it nearly cost 800k just to open a pizza joint downtown.

>>676554193
>You have legalized weed? How are things? Do you get them at the kiosk and shit?
Special stores. Same with booze, which is weird.

So far there aren't mobs in the streets fighting over cheetoes, but a chick ran into my car while high. Totaled it. But we're insured, so no big dead.

>>676555143
Then why didnt they become a hot topic manager?

>>676547414
Found the completelycorrecthead

>>676547893
You think the danish system works? I'd like for you to come and live here for a year or two. We have shitskins coming up here, and I'm not talking about those who are from warzones like Syria, that only come to get welfare. There are shitskins saying they're "disappointed" by the danish system and that it doesn't give them as much free shit as they want.
Denmark is becoming a shithole because of politics like Bernie's. We bound ourselves somewhat to EU rules which fucked everything over. Scandinavia is NOT fine with the current politics. Fuck me, even dentist isn't free. Healthcare isn't free. - YES it's free to go to the hospital with cancer, but get sick and you visit the doctor? You'll pay for your god damn medicine. Wanna go to the dentist and fix your tooth? 1k dollars right down their throat.

>>676554992
Except that air is a renewable resource, oil is not.

It's about supply and demand, oil is in high demand and the easiest locations to get oil are not only low but mostly located in the middle east. Are you implying that having oil should be a right to everyone? Because that seems rather silly

>>676547108
Not everyone wants college, which is fundamentally different than college expenses are spinning out of control.

If he was willing to figure out why college tuition is going up and how it relates to government subsidies then we might be onto something.

I don't mind paying taxes. I dont want to send some kid to college to be a drop out.

(Also, why am I paying an I'm not a retard and didn't have a kid tax?)

>>676554808
Minimum wage should be the same for every state, not different.

>>676555121
>Legalizing drugs would actually take money out of the community

it would take money out the the hands of gangstas (who are cultural poison) and put it in the hands of local business owners

>>676555187
No shit sherlock. Did you fail to see the similarity with the topic in question?

>>676555307
Yeah because opening up a weed store in a impoverished area is totally a great investment

>>676554641
If Bernie was only suggesting a 300 year increase to my taxes, that would be fine, but he's not.

>>676555427
no need to get butthurt, not my fault you used a stupid analogy anon.

>>676549174

> niggers

>>676555263
Also, economy is kinda fucked. The rich abuse our politicians to make laws that help out the rich, especially the farmers. Politicians use government money to take vacations and buy luxurious items.
Heck, we even had a politican recently who got put-off work for some months, and she gets FULL fucking pay meanwhile.
Business is booming? Create anything that isn't UNIQUE and it won't go anywhere.

>>676547108
I would support that ideal but the problem with it is the teacher's union, they're like discount congressmen always wanting more money for "school related" projects.