...and how many times have you NEEDED it when hiking/fishing/camping?

>>675964050
guns are cool but guns that shoot more guns are cooler!

I have more guns than you do.

>>675964155
It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

>>675964155
I find something worth shooting every time i leave the house

>>675964155
How many times have you NEEDED an airbag in your car?

>>675964050
NIGGER I HOPE YOU CHECKED THAT SIG

>>675964050
>nice toy guns

I'm a Canada-fag. No open carry over here, nigga.

15 Round mag. You must live in Cali huh?

>>675964308
lol thinks those are toys must be from reddit

>>675964050
But I do, Ive got like 9 or 10 now.

>>675964155
Are you retarded? If you live in an area with bears/panthers, want to go out into their habitats, and you aren't bringing a gun you have a deathwish.

I've seen three panthers while hunting before, they can jump 20 feet and literally scalp you with one swipe of their paw.

ur a fagget

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>>675964308
Not toys, but go shove yours up your ass.

>>675964320
20 rounder and no I just like the look when at the range or taking pictures.

>>675964512
No u

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Guns r bad. Mkay?

>>675964050
Is that a p938?!
My nigga! That's my ed cc

>>675964050
I have a shitty 10/22 with a wonky sight. The only reason I don't have a shotgun is because I'm a poorfag.

>>675964225
>carrying something unnecessary is a good idea
>>675964250
>implying you need to shoot things
>>675964257
False equivalence. Statistically, having a gun, or being around someone with a gun, increases your chances of being injured or killed (1). Having a car with airbags decreases your chances of being injured or killed, and is part & parcel of normal operation of a car.

(1) Source for the above because I imagine you'll ask for it:

http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/160/10/929.full

"and playing with guns Toki......i mean really.....GUNS!......i guess guns are pretty cool i don't know where i'm going with this but you shouldn't see that clown any more!"

Lmao is Stella Artois considered worth showing off in the USA ?

>>675964795
The Toyota Prius kills more people each year than guns.

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I own several.

>>675964795
HAHA didn't read go back to tumbler you sjw libtard faggot! make america great again!

>>675964478

And the gun saved your life in those cases? Oh wait, they didn't jump twenty feet and scalp you, you're just afraid that they can. And you theorise that you'll go full revanant and engage in a manly tussle-with-guns...

>>675964289
The safety is on
On those specific handguns the hammer can drop and it still won't go off so long as the safety is engaged

>>675964905
Hence why they have airbags :)
>>675964960
protip: I fully support your right to carry a gun. I'm just saying you're stupid for wanting to in ~9,999,999/10,000,000 situations.

>>675964289
>rookie eyes

>>675964795
someones afraid of death
someones real fun at parties
>you guys are doing DRUUUUGS EEWWWWW
I fucking hate you. I also don't have a reason to not own a gun. and statistically speaking, you have a higher chance of injuring someone who trying to rob/hurt if you have a gun on or around you.

>>675964289
How can you tell if its loaded or not?

>>675965112
And yet, more people still die from Priuses.

>>675964795
As Bill Burr put it, having a pool in your backyard immediately increases your chances of drowning in your backyard, couldn't drown in your backyard before could ya? These niggas don't need an assault rifle but if some guy wants a handgun so he doesn't get mugged when he strolls through bad neighborhoods like a retard, let him. As long as he's not running around shooting dogs, who gives a fuck?

>>675964795
I dont NEED to shoot anything. I want to shoot things, and have a right to do so.

>>675964973
we get it your scared of guns its ok. Just make sure you disarm the police and gun deaths will drop dramatically across the country.

>>675964897
No, we know it's garbage.

>>675964973
Why do antigunners immediately have to tie some sort of manhood or dick measuring statement into all of their arguments?

Yes, if I was attacked of course I would use them, the same goes for people too.

The outdoors example is only one use out of probably 6 or 7 that I have guns for.

>>675965144
lets see the sats tumbler kid

>>675964897
No its just in a can.

>>675965144
I've done more drugs than you've had hot dinners mate :)
>>675965191
See >>675965112
I fully support your right to carry a gun. I also think you're as stupid as you are cowardly if you do though.

>>675965517
you just think you're the biggest baddest toughest mother fucker, HU? well how can I be, if you are? I overpwer with a gun, now im the tougher one. you're just mad cause I made you look weak with steel and lead. a modern advancement from fist.

>>675965392
You want statistics showing that an aggressor is more likely to be injured when the mark has a weapon?

Are you stupid?

>>675965220
Nah, just scared of idiots.
>>675965391
Wait, where was the dick measuring statement in that? Someones projecting...

Congrats for changing the argument though. My point was that you've never been attacked, and so never needed that 15lb lump on your back. QED - waste of time carrying it.

>>675965517
>I do liek so many drugs you guise
Kill yourself.

>>675965517
Good thing the last thing anybody in the world would consider before they make a decision is your opinion.

>>675965629
Consider reading your posts to make sure they make sense before posting.

>>675964050
>Why don't you own a gun
Because I have a katana.

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because i live in england and the most dangerous gun available to the public over here is a fucking airsoft gun

>>675965752
consider coming up with a better retort

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>>675964050
lol nice airsoft "guns"

>>675965517
that's a fine opinion to have just don't ever move outside of the cul de sac you live in and you wont have to. for the rest of us that live in reality we can go where we want and fear nothing.

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>>675964050
I live in MA. I have a number of guns.
I just dont have them in MA...too much hassle from the police depts about carrying them (even in a hard case to and from the range) So I took all my guns split them up into 3 groups...put them in protective wrap and buried them along with ammo food and water.
when the US turns to shit and the cities are killing zones....I'll just take atrip to my caches and Im good...what are all you city dwellers who dont own guns gonna do?
I'm not protecting you....that for fuckin sure

>>675965703
>his points made sense so i resorted to ad hominens and he refuted them on the same level as me. better tell him to kill himself.
>>675965750
That's fine. Too bad its got you all grumpy though, right. Maybe you should go clean your guns, I guess that usually calms you down?

>>675965672
Its 7.5 pounds and counterbalances my pack pretty nicely, quite convenient actually.

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>>675965990
you mad tumbler kid?

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>>675965990

Because I live in a civilized place where I don't have to fear for my life.

>>675965861
My original point was that nobody here has ever NEEDED their gun. Nobody so far has even bothered to post a story where they needed their gun.

Instead you've all got worked up because I pointed out that owning a gun statistically *increases* your chances of being injured.

>>675966147
do you support the police and military use of an assault rifle?

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>>675966147
Like what? Paris or Belgium? Maybe Australia or Germany?

>>675966224
So you're saying noone's ever been mugged or raped before? And that it will never happen?

>>675966241
>assault rifle
You know there's no real functional difference between an "assault" rifle and a rifle...right?

>>675966224
i have never NEEDED my Suzuki hayabusa but that does not stop we from riding it. by that logic we should just walk everywhere we need to go.
my weapons have put food on my table and fed my children whats so evil about that?

GUNS LEAD TO VIOLENCE YOU ARE 4 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE SHOT IF YOU OWN A GUN JUST A LITTLE FOOD FOR THOUGHT

>>675966379
>can't burst fire with a semi-auto
>can't auto fire with a semi-auto
At least do some research before you make uneducated statements like this.

>>675966493
>>675966379
its time for both you kids to go to bed

>>675966484
>4 x 0 = 0

>>675966484
Life itself leads to violence, firearms just make it convenient.

Why can't we all just agree to disagree? It's pathetic that all these men, and I'm assuming you're all grown men, will sit here and vehemently spew random statistics and platitudes in an attempt to convert another person into believing what they believe when the person they're speaking with doesn't even want to here them out in the first place. What's the point, fellas? >inb4 I'm a faggot

>>675965112
I don't know about you, but I'd gladly carry something needlessly 9,999,999 times if it saves my life once. The problem with your logic is you're not the one that decides when you need a gun. Someone else decides that for you.

>>675966015
>counterbalances my pack

That's a slightly strange reason for carrying it, but okay. Anyway, you're not biting like the rest, so I'll just say that I wish you all the pleasantries you can have when exploring the wilderness. Happy hunting.

...I'll just be doing much the same with my slightly less counterbalanced, 3.5kg lighter rucksack...

>>675966484
IDK, even if I had a gun, and the guy beefing with me had a gun, I think wed both be reluctant to use it, and just rather walk away. But you know, alpha male bullshit.

>>675966579
>I'm assuming you're all grown men
Fucking newfag.

>>675966324
for example. They are safer than countries which has guns

>>675964973
Stop being a ninny just cuz you're scared of guns. I don't own 1 and if I'm going out into the wilderness I'm making sure I have 1 just in case of an animal attack. Go back into your padded room you shielded wuss

>>675966224
I find it hard to hit pheasants with a rock so i procured a 12 gauge fowling piece to improve my odds as i get hungry and like eat things other then reindeer lichens and moss i guess that makes me an idiot and a danger to myself

>>675966646
I'm being facetious, good work detective.

>>675966579
Oh fuck off newfag

>>675966368
I'm saying you haven't
>>675966480
You must understand that travelling by automobile is more of a necessity to modern society than carrying a firearm. Nothing evil about hunting though m8, as long as you're responsible and eat what you kill. Still think you're a pussy for using a gun though.
>>675966586
You're ignoring the part where I point out that in those other 10 million situations, you're statistically more likely to be injured by the gun on your person.

>>675966603
If you own and carry guns you shouldn't be going out an "beefing it" with other dudes like a porch monkey.

>>675966853
Right, but not all humans are the same, or want to place nice. not all humans are predictable. what you're telling me is, that I'm supposed to trust...a human being...yeah right.

>>675964050
Yeah? You LITERALLY do?

15 year old detected.

>>675966838
But i have. And my cz75 saved my life.

>>675966838
Statistics... If you want to do the math then yeah, I'm infinitely more likely to shoot myself if I have a gun because if I don't it's fucking impossible.

>>675966838
I have a crippled left hand with two working fingers. i couldn't draw a bowstring if i wanted to. I can however still use a rifle with little work. should i try using a big fucking rock or my Saturn station wagon to put food on my table you smug little cunt?

>>675967047
>>675967170
>>675967203

Good evening to you gents, thanks for playing along for so long :)

>>675966838
are those statistics based on 12 year olds usages of guns? I can't imagine someone being in their right mind, somehow accidentally offing themselves. Or maybe it's coming from people who don't have experince, who try to use a gun without understanding it. There are so many factors, statistics are bullshit estimates. based on a few stories and people.

>>675966819
Been here for years, buddy. Just not an edgy turd, I'm more of an idealistic naive turd.

>>675966970
Wat

Don't go out and start fistfights if you know the other guy has a gun you fucking mongoloid. Same goes for if you're carrying.

Or how about you just give up on fighting strangers because we're out of high school

>>675967358
Thats right, beat it nerd. Chalk another one up for me.

>>675964050
Because in the Us owning a legal firearm is unconstitutional and allows th government to take even more of your rights away via the Patriot Act.

So the real question is why don't you own/make ghost guns?

>>675967420
nobodies starting anything with anyone, its the unpredictable attidude, dipshit. the moment where anything can happen. BAM speedball junkie on PCP, my fist alone will not stop that fucker. Oh, wait, im supposed to magically get out of this town, all this fucking money lands on my lap. Fuck you, you're just complaining.

>>675964155
One time I shot at a bear that got too close. It was a black bear guarding it's cubs, I wasn't sure if it was going to attack me or not, but it was too damn close.

most people that die from guns are shot by cops i think we have a cop problem not a gun problem

>>675964795
>guns
>"""""""unnecessary"""""""

>>675966493
>doesn't know assault rifle is legally defined
>>675966556
Ok guy, so tell me what functional difference having a vertical foregrip and black plastic gives you.

The *only* significant difference is magazine size, which isn't actually a federal thing, just defined in a few states.

What knife is that??

>>675967634
If you were anywhere near those Cubs you were a target for sure

>>675967683
nope, there is a gun problem. it's normal that a police shots you if you are holding a gun

>>675967917
way to kill grammar and sentence structure kid

>>675964155
How many times have you needed the fire extinguisher in your kitchen?

>>675967917
are you ok with the police and military being armed ? what makes them safer with guns then say a random black guy walking down the street with a gun in his wasteband? i want to know if you feel safe with just some people having guns or no one at all? im not trying to attack you i just want to know why you don't like guns and who should have them and why?

>>675966147
In a place like London where even the police are disarmed? When a terrorist attack hits and all the police can defend the public with are cans of pepper spray and billie clubs all of you are going to wish to have just 1 firearm to stop them. You'll never get them to follow the laws and they will target cuck cities like Paris because it's guaranteed higher kill count.

>>675968223
I undersatand your point of view, but yes, I feel safer with just some people having guns during their service (police and military). what, I think, it makes safer that a random guy with a gun is that the policie must strict exam to have a gun. That not assures that all them are people with enough capacity to hold a gun, but the most of them. Sorry for bad english I'm not from an English-speaking country

>>675966557
Anti gunners can't math.

>>675968884
So if a civilian could pass the same kinda test, like a cop takes, then they should be able to carry right?

>>675968838
we cant hug are children with nuclear arms!

>>675968884
so your facist then ok. Only the trained and deserving few are worthy of the right to self defense all others can go fuck themselves because they scare me attitude.

>>675968838
yeah, but then you must choose: a place without guns where can be a terrotist attack or a place with guns where there are deaths by that fact. Seeing the statistics of deaths I prefer
the first one

>>675969261
show me these sats you fucking cunt

>>675964050
Because living in a country where guns are prohibited..
Well, mudslims own some for sure...

>>675969239
hahaha I'm think that is not facist. Besides it is not self defense, if you're on service you are defending all population, if you are not then you cannot hold a gun

>>675968884
where are you from?

>>675969491
you are a facist your last statement confirms it but part of being facist is always denying that you are facist

>>675969491
its called collective self defense but how would a fascist understand that?

>>675969331
deaths by terrorism in France in 2010s = 160
deaths by guns shot in USA in 2010s =131222
font http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/03/us/gun-deaths-united-states/ and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_France

>>675969491
you just won the dumbest motherfucker alive award

>>675969556
Spain

>>675969920
you deserve it more than me :)

>>675969883
If we didn't have all those guns then 160 people would have died from terrorism.

>>675969998
your country was ruled by a fascists longer than Nazi Germany and yet you deny being a fascist? what did franco do to the basque people? would they have survived if they did not arm and violently resist?

>>675970107
yeah the most of them not, but also 131222 people not have died by guns

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>pic related OP

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I know these arguments always break down in to manipulation of statistics and widely thrown opinions.

I'm an Army vet, a licensed, legal gun owner, a member of the NRA and a responsible member of society. I own 3 rifles.

I am one of MILLIONS of responsible gun owners that you have never heard of, nor will you in the future.

Set aside criminals - set aside those who had no legal right to be in possession of a firearm. That is the overwhelming majority of gun crime. Again, try to set that aside.

What you're left with is 1 or 2 isolated cases AMONG MILLIONS of responsible, legal owners where an accident occurs. Believe me, we're as shocked as you when a responsible, legal owner has their firearm involved in some sort of accidental discharge or a kid getting their hands on it.

I know where my rifles are 24 mother fucking 7, locked in a safe by 3 inch steel bars, and again, like the millions of other owners, know exactly how to treat a firearm.

Take any responsible owner and ask them the #1 golden rule of all firearms in any given situation, and they will all tell you the same exact thing without fail. The legal owners here already know what I am about to say right now as they read this.

Treat every firearm as if it is loaded, even when you know without a doubt that it is. An unloaded gun is still a loaded gun. The close second rule is never, under any fucking circumstances, point that weapon at anything you do not intend to kill.


Aside from criminals, the millions of legal gun owners committed no violence, had no accidents and continue to be blamed for statistical anomalies.

>>675969998
im from spain we have no nazi's here i dont know how any student of history could get that impression (Franco never existed)

>>675964050
American fags, question time. Is there any laws about using or carrying a gun under the influence of alcohol?

>>675970177
the history of my country defines me? that's the dumbest shit I read for a long... I have a lot of german friends and guess... they are not nazis!! and you are talking me from a fascist goverment, not for a democratic one, can not be compared...

>>675964050
I do. I own 3

>>675970535
yes

>>675970584
answer the question you stupid fraco-cunt would the basque people be alive today if they had not owned firearms?

>>675964050
i literally want to finish up school , get a nice job, and become you.

>>675965936
>guns are a "hassle"
>travels around country burying them in stashes for then end of times
>not a hassle

>>675970584
Spain was a fascist country longer than any other in history do you live under a rock in Madrid el sid?

>>675970639
What's the punishment if caught carrying or using a firearm while drunk or high?

I do own guns. Second amendment rights master race

>>675970693
I understand that you don't know so history of my country like me (and I surely don't know so much about history wherever you are like you) but yeah, the basque people would be alive today, there wasn't a genocide. However they were protecting against a non-democratic state, so it cannot be compared.

>>675965002
I need to see that gun fired

>>675970851
they make you move to texas and give you more guns man dont ever come to america its terrible!

>>675970837
well that depend on your definition of fascist, and nope, I don't live under a rock and I don't live in Madird (el sid?)

>>675964050
I'm Canadafag, but that doesn't mean anything. I can own as many guns as I want, I just can't walk around with them hanging off my hip like a tacticool redneck.

Unfortunately my wife is scared of guns, so that's my excuse. I have to go over to my buddy's place if I want to shoot stuff.

>>675970422
I'm sure that there are a lot of people with guns which are responsible (most of them maybe). But the ones which are not causes that "statistical anomalies" which shows that a country without guns is safer than a one with guns.

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>>675971155
that's not some double think. way to out English the English. NON DEMOCRATIC STATE is that what you are seriously calling Franco's regime fuck you you fascist cunt im an Idahoan and 3rd generation basque american you are a fucking moron and you know nothing about our people or espana. there was no genocide because my people armed themselves and shot facist like you. long live the E.T.A

>>675971425
Are you a revisionist historian like all Franco supporters. Franco was a Nazi not like its some wild conspiracy to make Spain look bad or have you read a history book?

>>675971718
I know talk without insult or extol the terrorism and say España correctly. Also if you are intereted about the history of yout supposed 3rd generation read a bit, because I'm not going to explain you all. And yeah, Franco's regime was a non-democratic state, was democratic for you? because if it was maybe you're the totalitarist

>>675971923
I'm not a reviosionist historian but, at least in spanish, the definition of the term fascism is restricted to the italian fascism and same with nazi. To the franco's regime it is called "franquista"

>>675972172
FRANCO WAS A NAZI YOU STUPID SPANISH CUNT ITS A FACT NOT OPEN FOR DEBATE. WAY TO PROVE YOUR FASCISM BY COMPLETELY DENYING HISTORICAL FACT. YOU KNOW WHO ELSE THAT SPAIN WAS A NON_DEMOCRATIC STATE? FRANCO AND THE CONDOR LEGION THAT WON THE WAR FOR HIM!

>>675972414
yes you are a revisionist historian do you deny that Spain was a fascist country based on a model set by Nazi Germany and paid for with the blood of the condor legion and many others?

>>675966484
You dumb nigger. You're also 4 times more likely to drown if you have a pool in your backyard. Or about one fucking million times more likely to get in a car accident if you own a car
Correlation ≠ Causation

>>675966224
I needed a gun when me and only had a knife, wish faggots like you hadn't stopped me from being able to have one.

>>675972613
fucker you mentioned the condor legion before i could

i'm from Spain many of us don't like to admit it but yes Caudillo was a nazi but many people saw him as a better alternative to communism or anarchy.

>>675972613
what is the historical fact that have I denied?
and you dummie do not answer my question: Franco's regime was democratic for you?

>>675964662
Why did you post a pic of a red sheet with a single pistol off center?

>>675964050
I live in New Zealand and we have laws on guns.
Yes you can get guns here, but you need to go through more shit than you do in say, America, to get your hands on one.
I'm always saying "i should go get one," but then I never get around to it.
Been to a shooting range and shot some .22 rifles a couple of times but that's the only "real" gun I've ever fired.
I'll get one eventually.

>>675973577
pues deberías saber que en español el término "fascista" en su sentido más restrictivo tan sólo puede ser aplicado a la Italia fascista al igual que el término “nazi” al Reich alemán. Para la dictadura española se usa “franquista”. ¿Verdad que no dirías que en Guinea ecuatorial tienen un régimen franquista? Sin embargo es un régimen igualmente totalitario como los tres mencionado anteriormente.

>>675965629
Your guns made of steel?
That's just stupid.

>>675971676
Niggers friend. The word you're looking for is niggers

>>675974407
Get it sorted man, once youve got your license youre good for 10 years, as long as you dont fuck it up.

>>675974879
how does one fuck it up?

>>675975096
By getting a criminal record, being caught with drugs or being an unsafe douchenozzle with firearms.

>>675975096
Legal issues