>tfw you just turned 13

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>>675913398
Children are revered in Christianity as perfect vessels of the divine spirit, and the metamorphosis of children into flawed adults is traditionally seen as a reason for sadness

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why do so many people believe in such stupid shit?

god isnt real...


:^]

>>675913792
>tfw you have to use assumptions because you have no better way to respond to logic

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Children are treated with the highest respect and dignity in traditional Christianity

The church that exists today is clearly evil

>>675914015
Are you retarded? I'm saying any intelligent human can see this by the time they hit puberty.

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>>675913792
>tfw u love god but realized he is a fucking fake faggot.

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>>675914186
False Christians accuse children of lying and punish them harshly for mere mistakes

>>675914186
Is that King Solomon? Kek

>>675913398
And?

>>675914974
>tfw "And?" because no better way to respond to solid logic

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>>675914532
im
nailed
right
in

fagggggot

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>>675915145
im
not
real
idiot

>tfw you realize that the possibility of aliens using the Earth as a petri-dish has a high probability
>tfw you realize that even the new bacteria and viruses could also be part of the petri-dish has a high probability
>tfw you realize that aliens are using the planet as a testing ground for scientific breakthroughs just as every country does the same during war or in their own little petri-dish's
>tfw you realize you are ependable
>tfw you realize that vodka is cheaper than a 6-pack
>tfw you realize life doesn't matter
>tfw you realize that weed is cheaper than vodka
>tfw you realize you should just say fuck it and not worry about religion
>tfw you realize you are happier
>tfw you realize you can split a dime of weed with that girl you know
>tfw you realize you might get laid
>tfw you realize you should buy condoms
>tfw you realize you only have enough money for weed, food and drinks
>tfw you realize skin on skin is better than nutting in a rubber sock
>tfw you realize you have already called that girl and are heading out for weed, food and drinks; not in that order
>tfw you realize this post was just long enough for you to read and realize you wasted a few minutes of your life
>tfw you realize you could have called that girl and gone out for weed, food and drinks; not in that order by now
>tfw you realize you should pick music for smoking weed tonight
>tfw you realize you need to shower for that girl
>tfw you realize your house is a mess
>tfw you realize crack heads are always cleaning
>tfw you realize you should pay a crack head to clean your place
>tfw you realize tyrone is a crack head
>tfw you realize you could pay tyrone to clean your place from now on
>tfw you realize that tyrone could be a paid slave
>tfw you realize that you are going to be a plantation owner
>tfw you realize you should grow your own weed
>tfw you realize you are already high as a mother fucker

>>675915132
What response is needed. Those were just statements. Not an argument.

What next?

>>675913398

tfw praise the Lord I saw the Light! He is Risen!

>>675915349
>tfw you realize that there is no evidence whatsoever of the Earth being a petri dish for aliens
>tfw you realize there is tons of evidence of Earth being formed over the course of 4.543 billion years

>>675915705
>"What response is needed?"
>*responds*

The argument is that neither God nor Jesus are real.

>>675913398

That moment, when Roman Census Documents establish the historical Jesus of Nazereth.

“Many a searching, although blind, mind has mistaken religion for some philosophical system. Too irreverent and profane handling of religion often makes of it a science, a pastime study. Now and again we come by the way of such who make religion a speculation; yes, and a speculation without a question as to its nature. Do you not know that religion is one of the qualities of your soul? An essential substance, I might say, to be plain, of your self-recognizing, self-satisfied, living spirit? Those who are convinced of this fact are not indifferent to religion. Indifferentism has no place in the serious life of one who seeks to be right-minded.”

>>675916058
>tfw you realize my response was a joke you nut fuck
>tfw you realize you are a fuck knuckle shredded beef cunt lipped jungle monkey
>tfw you realize you take life to seriously
>tfw you realize you are trolling a troll thread
>tfw you realize this is basic training
>tfw you realize your life is meaningless
>tfw you realize all life is meaningless
>tfw you realize that nothing matters at all
>tfw you realize you should kill yourself

>>675916483
None of the secular historians of Rome or Israel between 1 AD and 33 AD even mention Jesus. He is not mentioned in any historical documents or accounts of that time period either.

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>>675913398
>The greatest enemy of knowledge of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.

I'm not religious, but also not a smug bitch claiming to know what comes after death. All I know is that death is permanent and happens to everyone. Please, OP, go do your homework and chores before mommy yells again.

>>675916912
What happens after death:
you are buried and your nutrients are reabsorbed back into the Earth. gg, get off my thread please.

>>675916329
You're really good at reading into things people aren't even typing. Good job.

"What response is needed" does not indicate I don't believe a response should happen. It's a question.

"And?" does not indicate a lack of response to a collection of statements. Simply waiting for a follow-up.

You don't believe God exists. That's it?

Neat.

That was fun, thanks.

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>>675917367
LOL. Running away because you can't argue that your god exists? *Yaaaaaaaaaaawn*

>>675915349
>tfw you realize crack heads are always cleaning
>tfw you realize you should pay a crack head to clean your place
Kek

>>675916329
There is historical evidence that a person named Jesus existed. Weather or not you believe he was God in carnate is a matter Of faith.

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>>675917120
Hey kid, 4chan is a public place, kinda like a really fucked up park. If you post it, you've given up your right to have it kept private. If you don't like me opinions, that's too damn bad.

>>675918183
found the infuriated christian

>>675918017
Yes, many people named Jesus have existed. Unfortunately, there is no evidence for Christianity's Jesus ever existing. Prove me wrong.

>protip: you can't

>>675916775
The Roman historian and senator Tacitus referred to Christ, his execution by Pontius Pilate, and the existence of early Christians in Rome in one page of his final work, Annals(book 15, chapter 44.[1]) which was written 116 AD.

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XD i tagged myself. fuck life

>>675918618
The Roman historian and senator Tacitus referred to Christ, his execution by Pontius Pilate, and the existence of early Christians in Rome in one page of his final work, Annals(book 15, chapter 44.[1]) which was written 116 AD.

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>>675918398

>is a closed minded pleb
>not even a high school education
>doesn't like people with other ideas
>you're a (fill in the blank with something I don't like)


I honestly don't believe in anything. In fact, the bible is so filled with murder and incest that I'm surprised it's allowed in schools anymore.

Back to tumblr you go now!

>>675918618
Another important source of evidence about Jesus and early Christianity can be found in the letters of Pliny the Younger to Emperor Trajan. Pliny was the Roman governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor. In one of his letters, dated around A.D. 112, he asks Trajan's advice about the appropriate way to conduct legal proceedings against those accused of being Christians. Pliny says that he needed to consult the emperor about this issue because a great multitude of every age, class, and sex stood accused of Christianity.

>>675919730
>obvious infuriated christian is obvious

>>675913398
>tfw

At first it is anger and indignation. You become the cringey, more-intelligent-than-thou atheist. This is particularly true if you were raised religious. You feel like you overcame some intellectual obstacle or hurdle that those of "lesser intelligence" failed to do. And that is okay. When you figure you've been lied to your whole life that is a pretty natural reaction and some, like Richard Dawkins, never really grow out of this.

But then you cool down. And realize that religion for some is not all about "God is real and you are wrong for thinking he isn't," but more, "I need to believe God is real" I know that sounds stupid, but it is really the best I could come up with on such short notice. Then, slowly, you stop caring. If their religion makes them happy and feel like a better human being, and as long as they are not infringing upon the lives of others using their religion as an excuse. Who fucking cares?

I am still an atheist. But I am no longer an angry atheist. The movie "Life of Pi" helped that with the quote: "I’ve told you two stories about what happened out on the ocean. Neither explains what caused the sinking of the ship, and no one can prove which story is true and which is not. In both stories, the ship sinks, my family dies, and I suffer. So which story do you prefer?"

>>675913909
>Children are revered in Christianity as perfect vessels of the divine spirit
original sin, faggot

>>675919636
Anubis. God of the afterlife. Dogs. Tail. Appendages. Penis. Snake.

Snake biting it's own tail. Ouroboros. Infinity. Loop. Flash.

The god of death bites its own tail forever in flash. The god of death is infinitely biting its tail. Cycles. Death is a cycle. Life goes by in a flash. Life is a cycle. Two cycles. Bicycles. Travel. Transformation.

Death is not the end of life, but the beginning of a new cycle. Esoteric wisdom from the most high expressed through the mundane.

Knowledge is the crown of the gods.

Peace

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>>675919897
Oh no! I'm a christian? I'm so offended!

>>675919636
https://i.4cdn.org/f/it_is_a_mystery.swf

>>675918618
Perhaps the most remarkable reference to Jesus outside the Bible can be found in the writings of Josephus, a first century Jewish historian. On two occasions, in his Jewish Antiquities, he mentions Jesus. The second, less revealing, reference describes the condemnation of one "James" by the Jewish Sanhedrin. This James, says Josephus, was "the brother of Jesus the so-called Christ."

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>>675919822
You can copy and paste from a Wikipedia article which can be edited by literally anyone with editing privileges, nice!

Furthermore, let me stop you before you look up more stuff to attempt to make me look wrong.

Tacitus, Josephus, and Pliny all lived long after the supposed Jesus and would have never even met him. They were only going by what was told to them.

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>>675913792
This

>Tfw you're a teenager who doesn't know shit so you talk shit about other people's beliefs since you're the smartest person on the planet

There's less evidence that socrates existed than there is that jesus existed.

>>675920558
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>>675918618

Why would non-Christian historians, (pagan, stoic, Talmudic...), writing in the earliest Christian era, reference Jesus -- even so far as to occasionally praise him?

> Prove me wrong.

l2history. Do your own research, ya lazy fuckwit.

I'm not a Christian, nor have I ever been one, but I'm not so dumb as to pull arguments out of my ass.

>>675920859
There's no evidence that either existed. Your point?

>>675921018
see>>675920607

>tfw you're entering the scene phase
>tfw you're in 4th grade
>tfw you need to go to /pol/

>>675920607
I'm not saying they met him. Paul James Peter and John met him.

>>675921362
not the guy you're talking to, but no they didn't and there's no evidence that they did. they were both christians.

>>675916483
The first mention of Jesus by the Romans was Josephus' 'Antiquities of the Jews', written around 93–94 AD. That's generations past his supposed life, well after anyone who could have first-hand knowledge died. The first mention f a Jesus that may have been executed was by Tacitus in 116 AD. These are the earliest Roman sources, despite the Romans having multiple historians present during the times and places of most of the major Christian events. Why would they simply ignore all of those miracles? Why wouldn't they have written any of it down? Even original Christian sourced were written decades after he was supposed to have died. You'd think if your god came down in human form, you'd pick up a fucking quill and ink, right?

>>675920607
There are also a few clear references to Jesus in the Babylonian Talmud, a collection of Jewish rabbinical writings compiled between approximately A.D. 70-500

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IGNORE ME

>tfw you've been watching too much TheAmazingAtheist

>>675920607
>You can copy and paste from a Wikipedia article which can be edited by literally anyone with editing privileges, nice!

Weak argument, faggot. I've read the original sources in Ancient Greek and Latin.

As far as the time lapse, you must be very stupid. Virtually all ancient history is about reconstruction. When we can find a source, roughly-contemporaneous within a couple decades of what was then an obscure event (as opposed to say, a major military conquest), it's a bloomin' goldmine.

And we do have a good idea of which ancient historians were more credible, less biased, and more thorough (and hence reliable), than others.

I know the "Jeebuz never even existed!" argument is a popular one, but it's one for the uneducated and willfully ignorant. You gonna stay in that shitty camp?

>>675921914
10/10, would fuck that giant pussy.

>>675913398
What's wrong with morality?

>>675913398
"any one who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices."

the true power of religion

>>675922296
http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/DebunkingChristians/Page10.htm

gg no re faggot lol

>>675920859
the obvious answer to that its that Socrates' existence is not relevant to the validity of his method. Jesus' whole shtick relies on the idea that he existed and died for the sins of man. Socrates makes no salvation claims, but only gives a method by which man can better understand the natural world.

>>675913398
Also, there's evidence contrary to that he was the savior if he did exist.
he was not likely born in bethlehem, because he family had no right being there as the census was in nazareth. he would have been born in nazareth.

>>675913398

>tfw you realize there's no actual historical evidence that Jesus even existed

OP gets all his information from Zeitgeist.

Opinion discarded.

>tfw you realize the only reasons Christians have morality is because of their fear of hell and their desire to go to heaven

Fedora level projection.

>>675915349
Earth isn't a petri dish, the universe is a simulation that an advanced society created so we can surpass their technology and they can observe and learn.

>>675922942
They were traveling, and I'm not arguing that he was god only that the person existed.

>>675923096
>tfw projecting because infuriated christian with no better response

are you even trying?

>>675922296
>uneducated and willfully ignorant

Richard Carrier, Bart Ehrman, Robert M Price et al.

please stop wasting precious oxygen.

>>675913909
There have been children who have murdered many people as children. You are fucking retarded.

>>675923435
I know there's more of these, do you have them?

>>675922897
At least not everyone here is a retard

>>675923462

That is a non-response, son. Do you have anything even approaching point-by-point rebuttals?

Consider any ancient figure who wasn't on par with emperor or similar celebrity. The poets, the philosophers, etc. All we have on Sappho, Socrates, Heracitus, etc. are fragments dated to long after they were dead. Are you going to doubt their existence?

You only accept contemporary commentaries, exclusively? Then I guess the only Roman figures you'll recognize are the emperors, some senators and uh... maybe some ancient aliens who then went in and constructed those so-called "ruins."

I'm an atheist from birth, but at least I have a sense of history and how ancient historical studies work. Sheesh.

>>675920859
>There's less evidence that socrates existed than there is that jesus existed.
>Socrates is mentioned in three separate documents, written by three people who lived during his supposed lifetime
>There are absolutely zero primary, contemporary accounts of Jesus. Not one document exists that can be attributed to anyone that knew or even met him.
Go eat more cocks, faggot.

>>675916674
Most people back then couldn't write and were not formally educated. Things were passed down by word of mouth.

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>>675924196
This is the only other one I got. Wish that I had more.

>>675924739
>Socrates is mentioned in three separate documents, written by three people who lived during his supposed lifetime.

All reconstructed from fragments long after Plato was dead. Also, there are way more than three.

>>675924850
Damn, alright thanks. I remember one from a few years ago that had me in stitches at the time. The first panel was blank and the bottom one said "Don't be afraid of that egg".

I suppose I could just make it.

JESUS WAS REAL CUZ SAYS SO IN THE BIBLE.

>>675913909
>Children are revered in Christianity as perfect vessels of the divine spirit,

Divine spirit meaning priest cum.

>>675913398
>tfw you realize there's no actual historical evidence that Jesus even existed
Who is Tacitus?

pretty sure there's more evidence Jesus existed than ceasar. do your own research tho I'm lazy af. always research everything to it's source from a something online to a book to the bible. I mean it's source, original translations changes dates names etc.

>>675925984
Oh, the man that lived long after supposed Jesus's death and would have never even met him?

Try harder faggot.

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>>675926233
>Oh, the man that lived long after supposed Jesus's death and would have never even met him?
>Try harder faggot.

his·to·ry
ˈhist(ə)rē/

1. the study of past events, particularly in human affairs.

Understand the words you use, faggot.

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>>675925139
>Socrates is mentioned in three separate documents, written by three people who lived during his supposed lifetime.
Meant to say:
>Socrates is mentioned in documents, written by three separate people who lived during his supposed lifetime.
Plato, Aristophanes, and Xenophon are all his contemporaries, and all mentioned him directly in multiple documents. Plato and Xenophon even wrote defenses of Socrates against the charges that led to his execution. The chances of three separate people, all respected, all with independent bodies of work, mistaking the existence and death of another well-respected contemporary, is pretty low.

The closest thing to a first-hand account of Jesus, on the other hand, is a missionary named Paul. He never claimed to have ever met Jesus-- he said the entirety of his writing was due to divine inspiration. So, yeah, Christianity is likely based on the delusional ranting of a crazy missionary.

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>>675926704

https://youtu.be/dz2LTIkWIB0

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For everyone

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yous fnina get sw00pd if u tok siht buot g0d humy. olw creu iz wahtcin ue. im gahd soo bak teh fukk down! rael g siht tho real tlak

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>>675915145
INRI is actually an abbreviation of Iesus Nazerenus Rex Ieudes. Jesus the Nazarene, King of the Jews.

>>675925997
>pretty sure there's more evidence Jesus existed than ceasar
Nope. If you did your research, you'd know you are wrong. And it doesn't matter, anyway. Whether or not Julius Caesar existed is irrelevant in the argument of the existence of Jesus.

If you want your hate to be more fruitful you should atleast attempt to hate on Islam OP. But uh oh this would be too inconvenient.
Ps agnostic fag..I ain't tryna defend Christianity, just pointing out how much of a pussy op is for picking religions who don't give much of a fuck to backlash in a western world cucked by the political correctness of regressive libies

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>>675927179

I thought it was accepted that Jesus did exist, however that does not mean anything about god exisiting, I mean we're chock full of prophets and new religions and cults popping everywhere even today, christianity is just one of the more popular ones that made it into the "actual religion" club with others like islam, hinduism and shit.

>>675926823

So your Occam's razor tells you that in a very short time Paul manufactured the entire sequence of events and persuaded far-flung communities of Christians (some of which were already in existence at the time he wrote to them) to... follow this guy he invented? That puts the cart before the horse.

Mine doesn't.

Still, what we have of Plato, Xenophon, and Aristophanes is entirely based on third-hand fragments cobbled together centuries after they wrote. So the whole "lack of contemporary sources" thing is just as weak as the arguments against Josephus et al.

>>675913398
I'm sure someone else has already said this, but there is actual evidence that jesus of nazareth existed. There's no evidence he was the son of god, but he was a person.

>>675925984
A guy who wasn't even alive when Jesus supposedly lived. Learn to history, faggot

>>675926800
Tacitus was born 20 years after the supposed death of Jesus. He mentioned Jesus not as fact, but as the source of the name for Christians. Christians existed at the time Tacitus was writing (they were being tortured to death in Rome) and he was merely writing the series of supposed events that led to the rise of Christianity. He never claimed that these supposed events actually happened.

>>675928047

That about nails it -- no pun intended lololoooo ehehe eh eh. There are plenty of reasons to reject Christianity and other religions/cults, without resorting to this weak line of reasoning that Christ never existed.

>>675913398
Any historian on the entire fucking earth will tell you jesus existed you fucking mongoloid

Gilgamesh! Such an amazing read.

Weird how there are so many parables similar to those in the bible, but but it existed a thousand years before the bible. How can that be? Oh well, we'll just argue about history and semantics and try to disclaim one set of historical events while putting complete faith in the other. Carry on gentlemen.