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"Just don't call it government"

>>674768880
You just ruined your own argument moron.

You will learn as you become a working adult that leaves mommy's basement.

That what is "popular" is not always what is best for the country.

But hey, socialism is cool cause our hipster history teacher said so.

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>>674769675

Enjoy flipping burgers for $3 / hr faglord.

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>>674769899

Dubs of truth

>>674769899
Why does libertarian = $3 hour salaries?

Conservative faggots appeared!

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>>674770425

Because the Chinese would be making all your cans of slurp cola and anal vibrators.

>>674769559
but those are not the same.

not that money have any real value anymore, since its value is build on a system that requires other people to want gold and or oil to inflate the price artificially.

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>>674770386

sexual fantasy of mine:

drop off a libertarian in syria, somalia, bangladesh, iraq, etc and let him pull himself up by the straps of his boots. then fap to the results.

>>674770425
You could argue that it would be due to no more minimum wages. However if they drop their pay people won't be willing for work and will find other sources of income. We've gotten smarter since the 1700s and I doubt any american worker would work for less than 7-8 dollars. My state has a city thats planning a 18 dollar minimum wage thats so fucked.

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>>674770998

True Anarchist (TM) has been spotted on the BattleField

>>674768880
its more like, the majority of people can't grasp the simple ideas of responsibility and self-ownership.

>>674771012

I'm already getting a little hard at the idea ..

>>674771330

What most Libertarians can't explain to me is why Government isn't just a form of self-organisation.

>> Libertarianism. Just don't call it government.

>>674770998
No nigga they are talking about inflating currency basically making 1 dollar equal 3. Think about it whats going to hurt more every citizen worth 1/3 of their money or 100 people downloading music illegally from a millionaire?

>>674768880
Your image shows a fundamental lack of understanding with regard to libertarianism.

You guys do realize libertarians would not do most of this stuff right?

>>674771699
It is funny though

>>674771531
If your interaction with government were voluntary, there would be no difference. This is why I don't really advocate Anarchy. I get that we need government. I just happen to think that government tends to be sloppy in what it does, and that therefore we should put the government in charge of the minimum amount of stuff that makes sense. If government does it better I'm happy to let government do it. It's just that government has a long history of not doing it better for most things.

>>674771531
Libertarianism =/= anarchism.

Next.

>>674768880
They died in liberty.

>>674772030

But it is voluntary.

There are almost 200 other demarcated areas in the world where you can go and try your luck!

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>>674772555

Checked and kek'd

>>674772555
>like it or get out
That's the problem. It's only voluntary if you leave. Therefore, if you happen to live where a specific government has jurisdiction, your interaction isn't voluntary. And then you leave to another place where your interaction with government isn't voluntary.

It's not voluntary in any sense of the word. I should be able to choose to not contribute. And therefore, it would be fair to tell me I'm not allowed to receive any of the benefits. Unfortunately, the structure of most societies and governments makes that basically impossible.

Puzzling that anarchists and libertarians aren't flocking to their paradise in Somalia. They always seem to live in generous welfare-states with good economies, high standards of living, and many personal freedoms, like Germany, Sweden. Norway, Finland, Denmark. You know, social democracies with sensible blends of socialism and capitalism that actually work well in the real world.

>>674773369

Oooh now I understand. You grew up in one of those hippy houses where all your interactions with your family were absolutely voluntary and there were no rules.

>> makes-sense.jpg

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>>674773508

What this guy said. He is well smart.

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Meanwhile at the Libertarian rally

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>>674773508

>>674774444
Checked

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>>674774444

Dub-Quads! Checked.

>>674774444
Quads checked
Ron Paul was the best but Amerifags were too fucking stupid to pick the correct candidate.

>>674773508
Straw man bullshit, of course.
But what's funny is that none of the socialist fuckwits ever apply this argument to themselves: Puzzling that socialists aren't flocking to their paradise in North Korea, blah fucking blah.
Meanwhile, we all play on the amazing toys produced by capitalism... capitalism must be destroyed.
Fucking retards.

>>674773590
I see, so you grew up in one of those homes where whoever can scream the loudest or is the best at name-calling wins the fight.

In case you're too stupid: try again. And this time try addressing my point and avoid ad hominem.

Also:
>comparing the family to society
>unironically suggesting that the government is the "parent"

Shiggy diggy doo, you stupid nigger. Your view on government is so flawed that you make a serf of yourself. The government isn't some magic extant entity which, either by natural law or by wrote, holds all power over you and then gives back that which it sees fit. The opposite is true. You are whole, with all rights being in-born. All power, rights and property are yours. You volunteer to participate in society, and therefore voluntarily agree to give up some of your liberty, property, and rights in exchange for access to the benefits that a well-organized society yields. When compliance is compulsory, you are a slave. When your life, liberty and property are not yours, but rather the government's, you are a slave.

Perhaps you deserve it. For you want to be a slave so badly.

>>674768880
I cant speak for anybody, but i just want people to mind their own, look out for #1 and stay the fuck.out of my life. If that makes me whatever so be it, thats your problem.
>Willing slave to the very end
Eat shit

>>674770912
Don't the Chinese already make all of our goods?

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>>674775356

>> North Korea
>> Democracy

Pick one.

>>674776360
Basically this. You're all assholes and I don't like any of you. I just want you to leave me alone, and in return I'll leave you alone.

>>674771196
Agreed, this thread is butt hurt hipster socialist college kid trying to portray anything but socialism equals doom

>>674776317

So where is your revolution?

No? Rather just pay taxes like a good little drone.

>> BOOTLICKER.JPG

>>674768880
The vast majority of fire departments are volunteer FYI

>>674775356

Let me quote the anon you're replying to directly cause its obvious you have no reading skills:

>>674773508
>You know, social democracies with sensible blends of socialism and capitalism that actually work well in the real world.
>social democracies.
>with sensible.
>blends of....
>[wait for it....]
>{wait for it....]
>socialism aaaaaaaand.....
>[here it comes]
>[get ready]
>[hold on to your butt...]
>CAPITALISM.
>lets try reading that again...

"You know, social democracies with sensible blends of socialism and capitalism that actually work well in the real world."

You see? No one is pushing for capitalism to be: [ahem] "destroyed".

Your intellectual dishonesty is showing anon.

>>674776750
While enjoying the benefits of luving in a society.

>> go fuck your selfish ass

>>674768880
There would still be firefighters, it would just be privately owned and operated, with competition between firms to offer better service and people voluntarily deciding if they want to pay for it or not. Probably like an insurance policy.

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>>674776750
who wouldnt want a life full of retards yelling at each other

>>674777083

you underestimate human nature by.... A LOT.

>>674776895
there hasn't been a revolution because Libertarians don't initiate violence against others. That doesn't make us boot lickers. The fact that you 1.) regard us as boot lickers for not trying to cause a violent revolution and 2.) stand on a false dichotomy predicated on the former and 3.) imply that we are as inclined to violence as you and the other big government types are is incredibly revealing. It says volumes about who you are and what's wrong with your thinking, but you're too stupid to see it.

>>674777083
Or you can just put your own fire out or better yet not create fire hazards. That would be the smart thing to do
>Nah thats too hard i's know nothings about no fire
>Please help me
>Fuck your life, i did something stupid, its now your problem

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>>674777083

Fuck the poor! Right, my affluent friend?

>>674777666

Boot
Fucking
Licker

>>674777935
Good for you. You can repeat words. Your intellect astounds me.

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>>674777666

Oh. And you are a pussy too.

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Why are you so scared of getting your privileges taken away and to compete on a more level playing field libertarians? Seems childish.

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>>674778082

I honestly rejoice in knowing you and your offspring will be a slave to Governments for the rest of humanity's existence.

>>674778153
Again, just a really top-notch post. How can anyone disagree with such eloquence?

>>674768880
There are degrees of libertarians most of us aren't anarchists...

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>>674778328
I thought it was good

>>674778556

See

>>674777767

>>674778317
No you don't. You're just enjoying the moment. And you may personally never be made to suffer at the hand of government. And your children may likewise never be unduly oppressed. But just understand this: you are such a low quality of person that it's difficult to even acknowledge that you're human. You deserve the worst that tyranny can give you. I hope that you get what you want, and that government punishes you for it. I personally hope it kills you, and that you suffer greatly first. I want to see the return of Mussolini, Hitler and Stalin, and for you to be their scapegoat. I want to see you and your family made literal slaves, beaten and stuffed into ovens. You deserve no less. You certainly deserve no more.

how about we drop arguing about ideologies and we just form a society based on science?

>>674779203
he looks happy

>>674779646

Science obviously can't answer every moral questions a society needs to consider

>>674779790
Why wouldn't he be? He's getting what he wants!

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>>674779475

Lol and off comes the shiny vernier. Inside every Libertarian is just another ape looking to enforce his brand of violence on someone else.

>> thanks for playing.

the concept of government is based on might makes right. if you ask a government to prove its legitimacy then they cant. the can only send police on your ass, or the military if you are a big enough of a problem.

>inb4 democracy
if my friends vote me into god king pharaoh of the universe and i have enough friends with guns to back me up then suddenly its legitimate? fuck you and your shit systems. its clearly not working because im still poor. every tribe for themselves fuck the government and the police.

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>>674779475

Also

>>674780185
Nope. I'll never do those things to you. I'm just supporting you in the hopes you get all of the things you want so very badly. Because that's where it leads, and you're too stupid to see it.

By your own definition, I was wishing you well, I'm shocked you can't appreciate it.

>>674780022
science can do everything. scientific method is the solution to all questions. the problem with ideologies is that they are not created according sound scientific evidence. politics is just a bunch of middle aged to old people arguing about bullshit.

>>674774942
Yup. To bad his son is to much of a fag.

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>>674780462

And the "Who Caresy" awards goes to...

Me... for not giving a fuck

>>674769640
Brilliant!

>>674781034
lol damage control

>>674780700

Okey then answer me this, should the government kill you and harvest your organs if it could save the life of two other people? What is the scientific method for deciding that question?

Libertarians and anarchists are not the same.

Libertarians believe that a government should be small and provide the basic needs, like protecting its citizens. Fire department, police force, road upkeep are all part of the basic necessities of a society.

Some libertarians do advocate private control of government institutions deemed subpar like postal and rail transport. That is due to for profit enterprises running more efficiently.

Saying that since they use public roads and the fire department they must accept more socialism into their lives is ridiculous.

Libertarians are skeptical of a government that wants to tax more to provide every facet of everyday life from cradle to grave.

We already have government funded cell phones. Next people will say entertainment is a right and we have to fund cable, internet, and video games.

I know several,people who won't get a job because they enjoy getting govt money without working or working the bare minimum so they qualify for benefits.

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>>674781234

Boot licker pussy

>>674781034
AKA your argument makes sense, but I'm too butthurt to respond in a positive light so I'm going to use memes.
dummy.

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>>674781260
this one.

The more involved a government gets in your life the more effectively it can impact you negatively if it gets too powerful and becomes corrupt or totalitarian.

>>674782217
i agree, life is not worth living if you cannot make your own choices. of if you are bound by obligation too much.

>>674768880
why are you so butt hurt
to defend unfair system

>>674781034
>>674780462
[ ] Not Told
[ ] Told
[X] TOLDal Recall

>>674781891

Your argument is absolutely stupid.

But yet, i would gladly sacrifice myself and your families on the altat of Democracy if it meant our way of life could contniue.

>>674782516

Libertarianism will just lead to Despotism.

That is even more unfair.

>>674782173

Look up the is-ought-problem, students will learn about it the first week of philosophy of science-courses. It basically states that you can't derive what "ought" to be done from what "is". Science deals with the question of "what is" and ideologies with the "ought"-question.

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>>674768880
I don't even mind anarchists. All they do is disrupt events, usually for assholes.

Libertarians willfully digest a political ideology that wouldn't be able to survive out in the world without the constant financial backing and academic infrastructure put in place by wealthy conservative foundations as a means of preserving long term viability for their financial interests.

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>>674781409
this

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>>674771196
People actually believe this. Just take a look at China. Over there you either work or you and your family don't eat. You don't get the luxury to say you won't work for a certain pay. How are people this self hating and want to get cucked so bad by a few rich fags?

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>>674774444

Those shoes.

Confirmed autistic loser

>>674768880
>implying free market wouldn't fix it.

>>674783174
i agree with that. but thats not what i said in the first comment i made. what i said was that we should have ideologies based on sound scientific evidence. nowadays the only thing we have is might makes right. ideologies have a tendency to impose dogmas onto people. science does not do this. scientists dont convert people to lets say the evolution theory. but Muslims do sometimes even forcefully covert people to their ideology. when an insurgency or revolution occurs a new ideology is forced onto people without anyone exactly knowing what the outcome would be. take communism for example, it was so great and so revolutionary, until it became the regime of the soviet union. in communism a dictator should take control and then gradually give his power to the workforce. this never happened! if there would be an ideology which would be created according sound scientific evidence we could prevent such things from happening.

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>>674775356
Contrary to what your jew overlords want you to believe, regulating capitalism =/= destroying it. You get the best of what capitalism produces while still having the overall good of regulation (not having cancer causing insulation used in your house you bought or in the office you work in because it saved some construction company a few thousands.)

Do you really, HONESTLY believe that when you put some reulations on business they're going to say, "welp fuck it guys, now we have to make less money than we would if we raped our society and its environment. Might as well just shut the whole thing down and make no money at all."

>>674784071
Clever, nonsensical bait.
>doesheevenknowthisisbait?.jpg

>>674784473
Binary fallacy

>>674781409
finally someone on b who actually knows what Libertarianism is. Instead of all these butt hurt bernie fags crying in here

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>>674784809
>finally someone agrees with me

When I see overweight people in their mart karts stocking up on Cheetos and soda with their government check I see socialism.

When I see a guy with soiled clothes covered in dirt, motor oil, or coal dust buying his food and a new tv with his hard earned money I see libertarianism.

The disabled and children of poor parents should always have a safety net as a courtesy of society. But once you become an ablebodied adult you should not have all your needs provided to you by the government.

We shouldn't have a society where people know they don't have to work or don't face failures for taking risks.

>>674785247
i bet you dont even know what libertarianism is.

>>674783830

Fuck the poor. Right?

>poor democrats have been voting democratic for 150+ years

>poor republicans have been voting republican for 150+ years

>still poor republicans and democrats

> /thread

>>674784750

Every Libertarian argument is a binary fallacy

See

>>674779475

>>674783726
Or an old guy with a bad back that needs some cushion in his shoes...

You won't be 15 forever anon.

>>674785370
It's remarkable that some people believe that since we use public roads we are hypocrites for not believing in government fully funding a 4 year liberal arts degree.

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>>674786116

>> poor Republican

I guess i could use a small loan of a couple million doll-hairs

>>674784071

So you're a "scientific socialist"? In my mind that is a mis-reading of what science is. Advanced economics already base their decicion-making on well-educated guesses from science and yet there is a lot of room for ideologies. That's all we can do really.

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>>674786527

Libertarians ARE hypocrates.

And the biggest boot-lickers of them all

>>674786534
you must be unaware of the fact there are more welfare recipients in the red states in the south/ Appalachia than the inner city niggers combined.

>>674786527
But the benefit of roads, like a liberal arts degree, is intangible, and therefore hardly a cause for drawing the line. Where is the line drawn?

>>674768880
Libertarians are basically republicans who don't let religion get in the way. Also libertarian is about individual freedom, not sure what's childish about that.

>>674787390
This. Socially liberal. Fiscally conservative, hurrr durr road benefits and liberal arts degrees. this thread is going down the shitter rip

Okay so Libertarians are the new cool to hate thing, got it.

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>>674777007

The labour might be voluntary, but who paid for those shiny fire engines, uniforms, axes, water and foam?

Not to mention the training, the infrastructure and a myriad of other things.

>> protip - it didnt volunteer

>>674788150
b is pretty much just a wild tangela of bernie and trump fan boys

>>674787390
>>674787568

It is childish to think you can be part of a social organism / society and not have responsibility to that system.

>>674788553
there is obviously responsibility to the system. Dont get too caught up on the whole small government thing. It obviously still going to have federal spending and such. Probably the first things to go would be the useless drug war, and our global influence, that cost billions of tax payer dollars.

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>>674769675

>the country

first of all it's the nation
second the country is us

the nation is the assholes who run the country

what's good for the country is what works for us directly

what's good for the nation harms the country

>>674769310
"I quit"

next

>>674769210
Thats not true. I'm a socialist and I hate everyone. This is bigotry, thinking I care about any of you fuckers.

BURN IT DOWN!!!!

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>>674788272
you do know that because the state is distorting the market of firefighting:

1. the number of firefighters has continued to rise
2. the number of fires has stagnated/decreased

thats pretty fucked and btfos your dumb argument that the state was ever a good thing for firefighting

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>>674772030

>self organization
the government doesn't have a self
it organizes other people

>>674777666
But laws are slavery and taxation is theft, right? Violent revolution would be self-defense!

>>674771196

As said before, if you lived in such a society, you either work or you don't eat. You would get your choice from the opportunities that are available to you, but, under a truly libertarian government, those opportunities would quite literally be three-dollars-an-hour bullshit jobs without healthcare.

Not only that, but society, because of the fact that libertarianism is strictly against taxation, would not have decent infrastructure unless a business took it upon themselves to build it. Having done so, they would charge you out the ass for what you'd consider to be necessary for living: water, electricity, and natural gas. They'd be highly marked up if available at all. I hope you like toll roads as well.

Is it just me, or is the idea of a bunch of citizens hate-jerking one another in a political theory thread useless unless they are all willing to be nuanced, in addition to them served or planning to serve their fellow humans in public office? This is coming from an Anarchist that plans on working in public office all my adult life (gonna run for a city council position in 2-3 years). Cause I mean, if you're all just trying to prove that you're "right", that doesn't really solve anything, does it? The only thing that does is actually working towards the change that you believe is the correct path forward. Lastly, to all of you arguing against one another, please remember that there usually is more than one right way of solving a community's problem. Little bit harder and more nuanced for a state or a nation, but community service is what I focus on as an Anarchist, less about national politics/control. I know this is /b/, but if we're gonna TRY a civil thread, lets at least give 100%

>>674772324

they got pwnt by reality

liberty is easily lost in the flow of space and time

>pleb

>>674790761
>under a truly libertarian government, those opportunities would quite literally be three-dollars-an-hour bullshit jobs without healthcare.


henry ford paid 5 dollars an hour. you tyalk like a faga and your shits all retarded

>>674773369

You're thinking way too small if you think you could one day claim that your household is now no longer part of the government that it is under. You'd still be protected by their navy, their troops, their police officers. The fact that you have running water and electricity would also be because of American infrastructure which you would be taking advantage of. The air you breathed would not have pollution in it because of the clean air standards of the American government. You're thinking in the shallowest of possible terms if you think it would make sense to do what you're suggesting.

what ever happened with /b/tards searching information in the Internet? I simply can't believe you guys are this retarded...it's fucking embarrassing.

>>674780298
>if you ask a government to prove its legitimacy then they cant.
Prove that you should have rights.

>>674791288
haha yeah liberty is so dumb

also we should give up all our guns

>>674768880
No, I'm anarchist for freedom, and the fact it makes me unique is a bonus. I don't care what other's beliefs are, I like diversity.

>>674777666
double trips!
but, that doesn't make you less fucking retarded.

>>674776317

Yes, yes, social contract theory. Yes, you're right that people born into a social contract theory government do not overtly take the same oaths that their forefathers did when agreeing to the terms of the social contract. However, you had been receiving the benefits of that contract your entire life. You are expected to follow the contract or leave the government under which the contract stands. It's thoroughly ridiculous to think otherwise.

>>674791400
the constitution is descriptive, not prescriptive

the proof was acknowledged over 200 years ago and it is still described today


you would have to prove, firstly, that you have a higher claim on the ownership of another persons body

>>674789647
yeah, I'll go work for nobody instead oh shit I starved to death

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>>674776360

reality rules our lives
if you only care about yourself, you will not hear the what's on the grapevine
that means you will miss opportunities under your nose
a fascist is a libertarian who missed the boat and panicked

libertarianism leads to unpreparedness
unpreparedness leads to panic at the crisis
panic at the crisis leads to fascism

libertarians who failed become the very thing they hate:
fascists who can't leave people alone

>>674790193
>1. the number of firefighters has continued to rise
>2. the number of fires has stagnated/decreased
Oh shit I wonder if there's a connection.

>>674790193

Learn2read bro

All I am saying is that only the labour was voluntary.

>>674791536

give up simpleton ideas
rest will explain itself

>>674791891
Where's the proof, bro?

>>674781409

No, that's entirely not what Libertarianism is. A true Libertarian government would not have the ability to tax their citizens. Without taxation, there can be no basic needs of the citizens as a whole met. Unless, of course, a private business chooses to take it upon themselves, but it's not going to be anywhere near free. Hell, it wouldn't even be fair market value because they could charge anything that they want to.

Libertarianism is one of the absolute worst forms of government every conceptualized.

>>674778181
Libertarianism means your work determines your wealth, but everyone has the same rights, and your parents don't determine shit.

All -isms are bullshit.

>>674792002

go into the forest
pick berries
strangle a squirrel for its flesh
leave a grave for the squirrel and your old self

>hipsters starve
>as they should

>>674771261
That ideaology is only for communitive anarchists, not anarcho-capitalists.

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Tell me what you guys think of this.

>>674792618
Why the fuck are you trespassing in somebody else's forest and stealing their property?

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>>674768880
Kids.

"Libertarian Fire Department" is oxymoronic. Stay is school folks

>>674792491

Under a libertarian government, there would not be any public schooling because of the government's inability to tax. Your parents would then have to pay for you to go to school to become educated enough to get a decent job to receive decent pay. Your parent's wealth would quite literally define your life expectancy and would be the determining factor on what types of jobs you could ever hope to have.

>>674792352
can you prove that you have a higher claim to the ownership of anothers body?

didn't think so

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>>674769980
>>674769899
Kids who don't understand fundamental concepts of economics.

>>674792294
haha yeah guns are for simpletons

>>674791876

>leave

nowhere to go

>thinking that leaving can only be done in a physical concrete sense

you can leave the government by simply not agreeing anymore

>benefits
>what is historical materialism

we are not receiving benefits, noob
we are receiving the momentum of benefits

>doing something for the sake of a rule rather than realizing you're being abused and standing up for yourself and others

>>674792404
Bullshit. I hate taxes. It should work through private charity. Want moar roads? Pay for them. Want better police officers? Pay for them. The military would work based on direct capitalism, buying mines for steel, lumber fields for wood, and hire workers for making weaponry. They also buy out companies to pay the workers.

>>674792138
firefighters are called AFTER fires, surely you know this?

also you haven't addressed the number of firefighters going up. this is a clear distortion and would be waste under any other name

>>674793063
>if you ask a government to prove its legitimacy then they cant.
>if you ask a >>>>674793063 to prove the legitimacy of his rights then he cant.

>>674792404
>they could charge anything that they want to.
just to be clear, you are AGAINST monopolies yes?

>>674792933
School is bullshit.
Books have better education.
The majority of my intelligence was gathered from reading informative and expository books.

>>674793337
>firefighters only break down doors
>that's all they do

>>674793111

Okay, you're incapable of understanding that you're receiving societal benefits even if you're not physically handed something. Great.


And no, you can't just not agree to be a part of the government anymore. You're still under governmental rule. Don't believe me? Go ahead and try to kill someone. You'll get all of the governmental benefits of being locked away in prison even if you claim to be a sovereign citizen.

You're just coming off as a wack-job, back-country militia member now.

>>674792404

libertarianism is not a government

a true adult would take care of the needs of others because he is aware of the results if he does not

no force, no slavery, no guilt, no abuse

>>674793506
That fell from the sky?

>>674792874
you seriously think without states all the land would be owned/maintained to a point that others would respect ownership?

guess who owns the most land? hint: its not giant greedy rich people

OP, you think you are a troll, but in fact merely possess an ironic opinion.

>>674793652
No, you idiot. I worked with small business selling lemonade and mowing lawns to buy books that I read in my spare time.

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>>674793337
The bottom line is this. I don't want to pay for some fuck to sit around and do nothing in the unlikely event that I am involved in a fire. Me and my associates will indemnify OURSELVES to the extent that we feel satisfied.

>>674792933

under libertarianism, teaching would be a personal calling not a job

people do what they love

there would still be schooling

abolish labour, embrace reality's challenge

>>674792933
lets just ignore the fact that the dept of education, since its inception, has seen numerous budget increases, yet not a single increase in the ability of the students

lets just throw money on the fire eh?

>>674793872
Dude, You're on /b. What have you ever done with your life?

>>674793924
Fuck schools. People should chase their dreams. If teching is what they wish to do, we have these things called seminars!

>>674793605
>a true adult would take care of the needs of others because he is aware of the results if he does not
>It'll work because humans are generous and reasonable!
lel

>>674793678
>you seriously think without states all the land would be owned/maintained to a point that others would respect ownership?
Absolutely.

>>674793797
Good luck working with all the crippling diseases your destitute parents can't afford cures for.

>>674793924
>abolish labour
ahahahhahhahahhaha

>>674793372
you would have to first prove ownership of anothers body

since you cannot do that, of course a person is not obligated to explain to you why they own themselves!

>>674794030
xD nice.

>>674794030
Fairly wanton assumptions behind this post, but I'll bite the bait my nig. In my opinion, the answer to your question is: a lot

>>674792874

the forest isn't owned by anyone except the most deadly thing there

the only thing the govt owns and maintains is the land section and the idea of foresting

>>674794092
My parents would work their asses off to get a good job, or I would run away and find a family member who has.

>>674793561
If you have reached the number of firefighters necessary to decrease the number of fires

then continuing to increase the number of firefighters

is fucking retarded and wasteful

>>674792813

funny but stupid

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INDEED!!!

>>674792813
Fucking retarded, why I'm anarchist.

>>674793184

Government in a philosophical definition is the allocation of goods and services to the public. The government is created as an establishment that takes care of the basic necessities of the public so that each individual member does not have to worry about the construction of roads or the hiring of police officers. It'd be absolutely insane to think that such a public hands-on approach would be anything other than an exponential duplication of effort.

>>674793449

I don't understand how that has anything to do with what I was referring to. You can't have more than one water pipe going to your house logically. Someone is going to charge you for having the infrastructure that is used to get electricity and water to your house, and, because of the main beliefs of libertarianism, they can charge whatever they like.

>>674793506

Okay, so you're obviously uneducated. I'm guessing you're a self-taught doctor making a quarter of a million a year doing total joint reconstructive surgeries as a Sanford fellow, right?

>>674794092
>Absolutely.
then we would be a type II society, and no one would want for anything

libertarianism wins again

>>674794213
good response, but the guy is a huge faggot

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I'm an anarchist at heart, I realize the world can't be like that as it stands though. I actually think that for such a world to exist everyone in the world would need to be enlightened or have a similar mindset to what enlightenment purports as giving people.

I take comfort that a small percentage of people in this threadwill vote.

>>674794119
Can you objectively prove that you own your body?

>>674794213
>the forest isn't owned by anyone except the most deadly thing there
It would be in a libertarian utopia. It would either be private property or up for grabs.

>>674794217
"What if they can't do X?"
"Then they'd do X."
wow it's fucking foolproof

>>674794594
So you're saying that it's okay to violate other peoples property rights as long as you can get away with it?

>>674794092

>lel

what are books

>absolutely

forever

>diseases

hack into journals
release the research
avoid the causes
fix what's left

>ahaha

I said labor, not work
work can be satisfying

>>674794536
FUCKING BULLSHIT.
Government is only there to protect the citizens from foreign threats and other citizens, nothing else, so they shouldn't have their noses in drugs, trade, or society's problems, they should keep the fuck out.

>>674794594
YEAH!

>>674792684

>anarch
>capital

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>674794536
>Someone is going to charge you for having the infrastructure that is used to get electricity and water to your house, and, because of the main beliefs of libertarianism, they can charge whatever they like.

It is you that are actually arguing against yourself.

once someone has control of the state apparatus, they can charge whatever they like

now watch as you backpedal and pretend you totally were not against that a second ago

>>674792813
On the nose good sir.

>>674794738 I also think that benevolent dictatorship wouldn't be so bad either, again something magic would need to bring us there.

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>>674768880
hahahha best picture related ever. So true btw

>>674794738
Yeah. I want to get an unclaimed piece of land and invite only anarchists to come over. That would be fucking amazing.

>>674794993

jolly good show

>>674794819
Well, I can change what happens to me. The only thing in my way is my own personal fears and internal problems.

>>674772102
In response to your caption: yeah but they were also djoo. Coincidence? I think not.

>>674794935
No, anarcho capitalists like free market, no government.

>>674794819
>Can you objectively prove that you own your body?

2 people are in a room.

1 has a spas-modal disorder

the other is me

an intercom beeps and a voice asks if I could please raise my hand, and I do so

they ask the spaz and nothing happens

the next day the spaz has a spasmodic episode and raises his hand, as well as move every other body part

most rational people would say that the spaz raised his hand because of his spasmodic episode.

are you rational?

>>674793924

Despite your incoherent babble, that's actually something that's going to come up in the near future due to the advent of total automation with AI. There will come a time soon when even white collar labor may not look anywhere near what we're used to. As far as what you're talking about though, that's just retarded. We absolutely do need teachers.

>>674793934

Since the inception of the public school system, there has been marked increases in abilities of students. Currently though, the US is not meeting first-world levels of education based on our public education system. This does not mean however that libertarianism is the answer to the problem. It would, in fact, be absolutely the worst thing that could happen to the public school system.

>>674794059

Please go read a book. I mean, everyone should read more books, but I think you in particular would benefit from such a thing.

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You all think with your dicks so, she's an Anarchist.

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>>674795556
Her too

>>674795479
Wtf, I said I read books all the fucking time you idiot!

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>>674795598
And her.

>>674795675
xD

>>674794819

>own body
own = restrict access
body = accessible thing

either the laughter from my failure at taekwondo would subdue you
or the putrid stench of my farts

I own my body

>up for grabs
tell that to the bears

>X

you might run out of Xes
you might not

>violate

anyone who spends free time abusing others but not for the lulz is a huge faggot

>>674795835
What is slavery? Slavery is murder. What is property? Property is the right to own non living items and energies.

>>674794858

... Okay. And, without any method of taxation, how are you going to pay for those troops? Oh, right, a collection bucket from the citizens of libertariantopia. Oh wait, the people are horribly poor due to poor working conditions, no health care, and no decent wages. No one either wants to give or has money to do so.

>>674794939

Do you not pay any utility bills? It wouldn't surprise me based on the uneducated drivel you're spitting. Utility companies are basically contractors of a city/county. Because of this, they are required by the contract that they've signed with the state to charge fair market value for the services that they provide. Absolutely in no way do these contractors "take control" in the way that a company in a libertarian government could.

>>674794838
>what are books
Completely insufficient.

>hack into journals
Violation of property rights.

>work can be satisfying
Yeah, I'm sure the world is full of shit-scraping enthusiasts and garbage collection hobbyists.

>>674794858
>Government is only there to protect the citizens from foreign threats and other citizens
That is descriptively false and prescriptively subjective.

>>674794738
>>674795080
t. enlightened caste

>>674795479
I can move your arm too.

>>674795485
>that's actually something that's going to come up in the near future
Says every tech fetishist every year since the 1950s.

>>674795835
>tell that to the bears
So you're advocating some sort of anarchist might-makes-right system?

>>674796101
Did you not read my previous statements? They invest in companies and use the money to pay for them.

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>>674768880
Op is a government dependent trans faggot.

>>674796126

>might

no, opportunity vs time available

you own what you can defend

if you try to own everything, you are an idiot

>>674796126
You've obviously never met Mr. John Locke, Sir Thomas Hobbes.

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>>674796126
>I can move your arm too.
then do so

right now

im waiting

thats right

you lose

low energy

cuck

loser

>>674796126
>might-makes-right system
Always has. Always will.
You need the government to do your bidding because you're too much of a beta to take care of it yourself.

>>674796541
xD

>>674796631
Lol thank you. Take up for me for a while (I'm the anarchist wanting his own land) since I gtg for a while, shooting an m1 carbine.

>>674768880
yeah, bc its so unbelievably childish to think that people shouldn't be thrown into a cage for not wanting to continue to fund a government that slaughters hundreds of thousands of people around the world. The validity of an idea is not dependent on its acceptance in the "mainstream"
(i.e. geocentric vs. heliocentric, gravity, etc.)

>>674796810
Nigga wut?

>>674796496
>you own what you can defend
Can you defend that purty butthole, prettyboy?

>>674796502
Look mom! I know the names of famous people who agree with me!

>>674796541
Move your arm ten seconds after falling asleep.

...guess you don't own your body while sleeping. Rape time!

>>674796631
>You need the government to do your bidding because you're too much of a beta to take care of it yourself.
Beta? Apparently the government does my bidding. Do you have your own army, faggot?

>>674796631

What you're suggesting is tantamount to what's referred to as a state of nature by social contract theorists. The one that tokened that phrase was Thomas Hobbes. He also had this to say about being in a state of nature: "No arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear, and danger of violent death: and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short."

Basically, you're a fucking retarded, edgy little teen. Grow up.

>>674797154
Sure do. I'm a member of the NC Home Guard. Me and the other alphas with "assault riffles" can and will defend what is ours.

>>674797547

Holy shit, I called it. These libertarian defenders are a bunch of circle jerking, uneducated militia men that will probably claim they're sovereign citizens when they get arrested for trying to steal from walmart.

>>674797154

>butt

google Corynna Ariel and tell me honestly you would not surrender yours

>bidding

bait/10

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Libertarianism is all well and good until you wake up and realize that maybe, maybe it isn't such a good idea to let your daughter grow up to be a crack whore; that there is a point to enforcing morality and building some incentives into the tax system.

>>674783174
In other words it does not concern itself with the real world but the world it wishes we had.
Philosophy is just escapism

>>674797784

>walmart steals through market domination and monopolist ideals
>stealing is bad

and people wonder why we still have a drug war where the smallest possession can ruin your life, but after legalization, corporations will make a mint off same drugs you bought from an enterprising nigger