Sweden. Denmark. Finland. Australia has $18 hour min wage and survives fine 5% unemployment. Socialism is not communism, you are uninformed.

>>674696828
look at this blind folded herd member. You are comparing shit tier countries with an economy as huge as the states?

>>674696828
Swedes suck Somali cock so who cares what they think.

>>674697283
kek, this ^

>>674697096
Shit tier countries with all better living conditions than the us. Why do you think the size of the country matters? If we're simply talking about social services, you do have, you know, STATES. States that are as big as denmark, finland or sweden.

>>674695665
Sociliaism in Germany is working very well right now they are practically running the EU they fucked themselves with the migrants but they are still doing great economically. What you saw in China and Cuba is communism and poorly done communism at that not socialism.

>>674695665

"I'm a severe tbi survivor and have osteoarthritis from a c2 fracture, but I still worked manual labor until I enrolled in college.
If I can do it, so can Tyrone in projects housing."
>Because at least half, if not most, of the unemployed here aren't productive simply because they are lazy.
>Many of those living in poverty are poor simply due to not making things better for themselves.
>Immigrants take jobs, and welfare recipients complain that they can't find jobs while they spend their federal handouts on booze, pot, and whatever the fuck else they want.

Prove all of that (except for immigrants taking jobs as that is true)

>unemployed are lazy
>immigrants take everyone's jobs

pick one faggot

>>674698018
Too bad Tyrone out here trying to find somebody's wife to fuck, long dick style

>>674696828
This. Op has been watching fox news again.

>>674695665
>Socialism worked in Canada, right?
Oh wait. IT DID.

>Socialism worked in modern-day Germany, right?
OH WAIT, IT DID.

>Socialist constructs work in countries like Australia, right?
HMM, IS ANYONE SENSING A PATTERN, HERE?

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>they spend their federal handouts on booze, pot, and whatever the fuck else they want

No I don't.

>>674698741
Those countries don't have nearly 400,000,000 people in them, and we have states with multiple times the amount of people in those countries.

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>>674697638
>We have States
>Lets enact laws federally

Problem with your logic there, bud. But, you also stumbled upon a big argument that conservatives make, if a state wants to have more tax-fueled social services, that's preferable to the federal government making executive decisions for all of the states.

>>674695665
thank Christ Bernie is a Democratic Socialist, then. The US has already had one of those, you might remember a feller named FDR.

Hey, fuckface, the government doesn't just make jobs. That's not how shit works. Jobs are created by a demand, be it for a good or service. Employers will hire more workers to fill that demand.

New jobs are neither created by the employers, or the government, but by demand from the masses. Lrn2Economics.

>>674696828
Stop spreading bullshit. My friend works at a mcdonalds in brisbane and she only earns 11 an hour

>>674699317
Except the southern states are so shit tier due to conservative policies they end up contributing the least taxes but yet seem to use the most taxes to fund welfare. Their solution to poor people? They try to make them even more poor

>>674699587
So your solution is to put MORE money into the system that they are taking advantage of? How about you let the states run their social services. Also, the problem with that statement is that in the south people are far less congregated than in the North, the majority of tax money goes into maintaining the infrastructure since there are fewer, longer roads that are much more important for the communities (e.g. a road goes out and it turns a 30 minute commute into a 2 hour commute).

implying capitalism works

ggwp

>>674699093
Canadafag here. It's not working out that great here. I go to the hospital and leave after insane waits. We get taxed hard and it really kills the paycheck when they take 45% then you have to try and survive of the scraps. Any sort of enterprise you want to undertake you have to deal with the gov't for permits, fees, forms and licences. It basically is so frustrating most people give up before they even start. We have random vehicle stops on the highways to check for "vehicle safety" where they pull you out of a line of cars and inspect randomly wether you drive a p.o.s. Or a new truck. I'm just getting started. Don't squander the freedoms you have in the states by choosing this

I guess you guys aren't aware enough to realize that we are already a fairly socialist country. Bernie would only add to it slightly, and trump would only detract from it slightly. We are actually a great deal more socialist than South Korea right now. People just like throwing the word around because it scares the inbred and then they pull out the hitler memes lol

>>674700248
implying since capitalism has become widely accepted the quality of life in the world has risen exponentially. Even in China, where they're practicing some strange bastardized fusion of Communism and Capitalism, the quality of life has risen.

>>674699573
is your friend 15

>>674699587
California

>>674700096
No I'm saying socialist policies should be in effect instead of conservative jobs

A person should be able to pay rent with one job. If he can it frees up jobs from those that hold multiple jobs to get by. Pay for job training. Make education affordable for those with good grades. Make it so that basic medical care isn't more expensive than a down payment on a house.

(In order for cheaper healthcare to work it does require a single payer health system by the federal government where they can bargain for cheaper prices or go to a company that makes the same product but cheaper like every other country. BTW this doesn't mean you can't get private insurance if prefered)

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>>674700842

ITT people on both sides think "socialism" means "capitalism conservatives don't like."

Socialism is an economic system in which the means of production (the factories, the businesses, etc, etc) are all owned by the government. If someone asks who your boss is, you get to say "Uncle Sam." "The government does things in the economy" is not socialism. That's still capitalism. That doesn't mean we can't argue about what the government should or shouldn't do it in the economy - we can and should argue about that. But it's still fucking capitalism.

Sanders calls himself a democratic socialist. I honestly don't know why. There is nothing socialist about the man's proposals. Europe is the same way. There are a lot of "democratic socialist" parties that aren't even remotely fucking socialist. I blame conservative media for using socialist as a scary buzzword so often that it's lost all meaning.

Democratic socialism looks nothing like Leninism. In part because (as already mentioned) democratic socialism usually isn't even fucking socialism WHY THE FUCK ARE PEOPLE SO BAD AT THIS GOD DAMNIT FUCK YOU YOU UNEDUCATED PIECES OF SHIT WORDS MEAN THINGS SO GO FUCKING LEARN THEM. But more importantly it doesn't look like Leninism because obedience to the party is an explicit tent of Leninism. As in, "obey our glorious socialist overlord Lenin or we'll shoot you in the face" was an explicit party platform. In that sense, it was basically just fascism in a different skirt. Instead of unifying people behind the glorification of a nationality/ethnicity (while executing dissenters), it sought to unify people behind the glorification of a philosophy (while executing dissenters). Surprise surprise: any politician who promises to oppress only half of the citizens will end up oppressing all of them. Don't vote for fascists, kids. It's a trap.

I'll vote for Hillary

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>>674695665
>Why is the US better than their homelands, you ask?

kek

>>674700913
>Instead of conservative jobs

What does that mean?

>A person should be able to pay rent with one job.

Most people pay rent with one job. In fact, the large majority of people do. A minimum wage job is not designed to support a family of 4.

>Pay for job training

Most companies do. In fact, companies like Starbucks and even McDonalds, to an extent, actively promote advancing your education so that you can rise to higher paying positions. Starbucks, in fact, discourages hiring people who didn't start working as baristas for upper level positions.

>Make education affordable

Education is affordable, just don't immediately go to a University without any idea what you want to major in. Go to community college first, figure shit out.

>basic medical care

What do you define as basic medical care? Monthly doctors visits aren't basic medical care.

>>674695665
Socialism will never work properly. Because there are lots of stupid people around.
The economy is skewed because only a few people are intelligent and truly understand how the world around them works.

>>674696828
First post, best post. It's always that way

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>>674704272
>A minimum wage job is not designed to support a family of 4.


I'm imagining the amount of downvotes you'd recieve for saying this on reddit, even though it is the absolute truth.

Democrats are fucking retarded about immigration. If your game plan is to expand social services you have to make sure the correct people are getting those services. It doesn't make any sense and is literally just pandering.

>>674705562
Oh they aren't retarted about immigration. They try and import people who will be dependant on the state so when voting time comes they can count on their support to maintain control. I don't think they give a shit about all the moral arguments as much as their maintaining of control. The new liberal left is pushing for bigger government and the more people who rely on them the more votes they will get

Really wish ignorant individuals did not express their opinions on politics.

>>674707168
Really wish ignorant individuals did not express their opinions on people expressing their opinions on politics.

>>674707168
Thank god for free speech

>>674696828
>hurr durr, high minimum wage == socialism

>>674696828
>Australia has $18 hour min wage
its not 18

and austrailian dollar is weak as piss

>>674706722
lets be honest, both political parties are pushing for control, they both just do it in different ways. Republicans just do it in a more overt "we just want money" way, whereas Democrats pretend to care just so that they can suddenly take advantage of the power they've gotten.

>>674707559
What the fuck does free speech have to do with me not wanting to hear ignorant individuals not express their ignorance? I have the right not to listen, don't I?

>>674707708
>if I don't want to hear it, other people shouldn't be allowed to say it
>they're ignorant
sounds like you're so ignorant you don't want to hear what others say because they disagree with you

>I have the right not to listen
no you don't, if you don't want to listen to something then simply don't fucking see, read, view, listen, what ever- to it

No one is forcing you to listen retard

>its greedy to keep your money and your property to yourself
>its not greedy to demand that someone else pay for your shit

>>674707708
Do you need a safe space?

>>674707848
Are you fucking retarded? I specifically stated that I wished that ignorant individuals do not express their opinions on politics. It has nothing to do with agreeing, and everything to do with them not knowing what the fuck they are talking about.

Also, how can your dumb ass say "thank god for free speech" and not understand that free speech covers the right not to listen? Basically, you are one of those morons I wish would not express themselves, as they offer nothing worth listening to.

>>674708140
>They're ignorant because I disagree with them

>Muh free speech means I have the right to shit talk people, and then get butthurt when people call me out

>>674707992
I don't need a free space. I just need people to have the intelligence to educate themselves on a topic before putting forth an opinion on that topic. This applies to politics, religion, or any topic.

Why would I care for someone that can't even do basic arithmetic to give their opinion on differential equations, for example.

>>674708140
>I specifically stated that I wished that ignorant individuals do not express their opinions on politics.
If you don't like people disagreeing with you, then leave. Its unfair to silence them and demand they don't talk.

>the right to not listen
you don't have this, if you don't want to listen to something then don't listen to it, its that simple.

>YOU SHOULDN'T SAY SHIT I FIND IGNORANT BECAUSE MY "right to not listen"

>>674708140
So Triggered right now

>>674708288
>only people who agree with me are intellectuals
>you shouldn't be allowed to disagree with me because that means you're ignorant and I don't like it.

>>674708288
>If I don't like it, they shouldn't be allowed to say it
thats literally the definition of bigotry, you're the most ignorant here.

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>>674699573
Your "friend" is clearly underage and not working full time you cuck

>>674708307
I never silenced anyone. I merely expressed my wish that people would not express their opinions on topics they do not understand.

As for the right not to listen, you are providing an excellent example of why people shouldn't express their opinion about topics they are ignorant about.

>>674708140
>free speech covers the right not to listen
care to elaborate on that faggot?
You're coming across as really really cocky and someone who doesn't know their shit.
Are you high?

>>674708462
>I never silenced anyone.
>I wish people who I find ignorant wouldn't talk
thats literally ignorance and your silencing opinion in a nutshell
>I was only WISHING it
implied intent

>right to not listen
stop saying this because you don't have this right at all, its completely made up.

>they shouldn't be allowed to talk about things because I don't like what they say
thats bigotry

>>674708394
Wishing that someone does not express their opinions on a topic because they are ignorant about that particular topic has nothing to do with liking their opinion. Reading comprehension: get some.

>>674695665
WAAAH! Muh faggot bone disease. Grow up kiddos, it's not a real disability like fibromyalgia.

>>674695665
stfu moron, you are already buying into the 2 party paradigm, they have you by the short hairs.

>>674708572
You obviously don't like his opinion because you're so vitrolent about saying he shouldn't say it.
The irony is killing me

>>674708540
Nothing that I have stated has to do with being cocky It has to do with niggers calling me out on something when they don't know what they are talking about. Which goes back to my original statement: wish they wouldn't express their opinions if they are ignorant about that topic.

>>674708462
So what would you define as being educated enough to be able to participate in an anonymous discussion board, where everyone can go full retard behind their computer screen?

>>674696828
Yes but a loaf of bread costs $213 in those places you dumb nigger.

>>674708644
I am annoyed by an ignorant individual spreading misinformation. That is what bothers me, not whether I agree with them or not.

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>>674695665
Nice meme OP, but just to make memory, socialism worked in the USA with the new deal and the president with the longest time at post. So yeah saved your asss of after the 1930s crash.

>>674708678
>I don't like it
>they shouldn't say it
>because I think its ignorant
>you shouldn't be allowed to give an opinion because I said its ignorant

>>674708775
>you shouldn't be allowed to say something because its misinformed
Fox news is allowed to skew the facts how ever they want because its free speech

>>674708710
I would define "educated enough" as their argument meeting the requirements for a reasonable argument.

>>674708896
>you have to be educated based on my preconceived, arbitrary, and predefined notion of what "educated" means
sounds like you're a fascist because you refuse to see the other side of the coin, so you call it ignorant and demand that they don't say things because you think its ignorant

>>674708843
>doesn't understand the difference between being annoyed by ignorant individuals demonstrating their ignorance and wishing to eliminate the freedom of speech

>>674708789
It worked by maintaining >20% unemployment for over a decade? If that's success, I'd hate to see your idea of failure.

>>674708843
All the mainstream media media does this. The amount of bullshit and misinformation put out to push agendas is over the top. They can keep yapping, I just don't bother wasting my time to watch

>>674708964
I never demanded that people lose their freedom of speech. I merely expressed my distaste for ignorant individuals expressing their ignorance.

>>674695665

This isn't just stupid. This is advanced stupid.

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>>674708793
>>674708678
>>674708540
>>674708140
>>674707848
>>674707168

he got caught in his own twist of words and is now trying to defend his views. toppest of keks

>>674708990
>I'm annoyed because I think something is ignorant
>therefore you shouldn't be allowed to say it

>>674695665
>democracy worked in Athens right
>democracy work in Rome right

This is how stupid you sound.

>>674709078
>they shouldn't be allowed to say it because I think its ignorant

>>674709202
>I lack reading comprehension skills.

>>674708993
>>674708789
The economy was on the decline before the US entered WWII. The war was what saved the economy, not the New Deal policies. The New Deal gave temporary relief, but in the long run would have caused a worse recession later than what had occurred except that the US entered a war.

>>674709083
>I never demanded that people lose their freedom of speech.
>I WISH PEOPLE WOULDN'T SAY THINGS I CALL IGNORANT BASED ON ARBITRARY PARAMETERS
no thats exactly what you wished

people saying ignorant things is enveloped as their freedom of speech too

>>674709275
says the guy who "wishes that they wouldn't say it" then says "I never said I don't want them to say it"

>>674709138
More like the individual replying to me lacks reading comprehension skills and parrots the good old "freedom of speech" without understanding what it really means.

>>674709365
>STOP SAYING IGNORANT THINGS
>No

I don't care what you think is ignorant, its my right to say it regardless of what it is

>>674709310
>I lose my reading comprehension skills when discussing high school level topics

>>674709365
>"freedom of speech" without understanding what it really means.
thats literally what it means, people are allowed to be ignorant, thats called liberty

>>674700096

As a resident of the deep south, i can say you are totally pants-on-head-retarded wrong. Roads down here require far less maintenance than in any state that uses snow plows and salt on the roads, and receive far less maintenance than they should even at that. A county or state road will be repaved once every ten years if the residents along that stretch of road are rich and influential.

>>674709458
>I wish
>I demand
virtually the same thing, thats why people get convicted of crimes for showing intent even if they didn't do it. IE: conspiracy to commit a crime

>>674709354
I don't think you understand the difference between expressing your distaste for a particular behavior and wishing that people's rights be taken away.

>>674709468
>>674709310

finally someone who speaks english

>>674699172
Health care should be free and paid for by taxes, the price of health care needs to change to produce this possibility. You wouldnt understand your picture is stupid until someone you love has their life on the line. They are dying and can't be treated due to the cost of medical procedures that are ready to be performed or the cost of pharmaceuticals that are readily available. People dying or living a much much lower quality of life because of money makes no sense. I agree with capitalism mostly, but there is so much other things to profit off of than a person's life.

I also don't think the current health care system implemented in the U.S. right now is good and the distribution of wealth that system is based off is dumb.

>>674707708
You have the right to not listen so get the fuck out

>>674709439
I don't think you understand what "I never said that the people's right to free speech should be denied them."

>>674699172
Better stay off public roads, keep your kids out of public school and don't ever get caught on a city transit. You best be walking if that's your talking.

>if troll 0/10
>if serious killyourself/10

>>674709531
>expression of distaste for particular behavior
>demanding that people's right be taken away from them
Literally can't understand the difference between expressing distaste for behavior and a call for political action.

>>674709468
That is the most basic definition of freedom of speech, which can be understood by middle schoolers. But the ignorant individual doesn't understand the more advanced concepts which cover the right to not be compelled to listen, which is derived from the freedom of speech. That is why I said that the individual is ignorant, because he parrots freedom of speech without understanding it to a deeper level than parroting.

>>674709591
Healthcare used to be too cheap in Britain and the US. In Britain, they passed laws specifically designed to eliminate cheap healthcare, whereas in the US the AMA withheld licenses from doctors who worked too cheaply, and as an AMA license was required by law to practice medicine, it effectively amounted to a legal prohibition.

>>674700367

>you have to deal with the gov't for permits, fees, forms and licences.

That isn't socialism, that's our government being a control freak and wanting to nickle and dime us for every activity imaginable.

>I go to the hospital and leave after insane waits

I know, it's fucking awful. We need, at the very least, some sort of rule set that says "if you have a fucking basic cold go to a clinic not emergency, you fucking moron."

Literally 80% of the people in a hospital waiting room are people who do not need to be there.

>I think I have a head ache, better go to emerge

Like fuck off buddy, yes its free but you're wasting the doctor's time when they could be servicing someone who actually needs it.

>>674709660
When I wish to exercise that right, I will do so. You have no say over that.

>>674709458
You shouldn't even be allowed to reproduce

>>674700913
>conservative job
>doesn't want to work for a living
>wants to be living in welfare state that gives handouts from our tax dollars to foreigners
are you really that against your own self interests or are you just retarded?

>>674710095
Why not.

>>674710005
I just read the first amendment to check for a "compelled to listen" portion. Didn't see anything there

>>674696828
>Finland.
>$18 hour min wage
Finland doesn't even have a minimum wage. I'm an electrician in Finland and I make less than 18 USD per hour.

>>674710390
>Doesn't understand the concept of deriving laws from the constitution.(penumbra)

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>>674710505
>>674696828

Busted

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>>674696828
>Sweden

That reminds me anyway, Sweden has a socialist government and their taxes are unbelievably too high. The minimum wage might be 18$ but only because everything there is crazy expensive

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Communism is coming, and there is nothing you can do to stop it.

>>674695665
More like socialism works in the Nordic countries, UK, Canada anywhere with universal healthcare really.

The problem is too much socialism. Gotta find a balance.

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Communism is the only answer.

>>674710779
these memes are getting danker day by day

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Surrender now, and you will not be thrown in a gulag.

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You have loved communism all along. You just didn't know it.

>>674710048
The healthcare is the worst part. There is actually a private med Center about an hours drive from me that I wish was closer. I would gladly pay for treatment if I needed it vs waiting. I cut my knee with a grinder about 8 months back and had a 4" long cut that was between 1/4-1/2 deep. Went to hospital and waited 2.5 hrs then left. My cut had dryer up and another guy was sitting there with a goddamn framing nail sticking out of his finger pissing blood everywhere who had been there for 2 hrs before I showed up. He was still waiting when I left. Got a bad ass scar now out of the deal though

Freedom of speech only means the government can't censor you you ignorant cucks. You sound as stupid as trump saying protesters violated his right to free speech.

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Put your minority hating to work! Join the cause for all!

>>674710676
not really just gas. Norway is even more expensive

>>674701498
What is the Federal Aid mostly spent on per state? Some states have better roads with higher aid while some have shittier roads with less aid.

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US foreign policy has crippled the world. Communism can save you!

>>674711144
I have always hated getting into arguments regarding freedom of speech, as the individuals involved merely repeat "freedom of speech" and give their opinions on what it means without knowing what the fuck they are talking about.

Basically, I hate listening to ignorant people give their opinion on things they are ignorant about.(Watch out, someone is going to yell freedom of speech repeatedly)

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>>674710940
Greetings, fellow comrade.

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>>674711514
Top kek

>>674711144
There are laws against protesting state events. It was ileagl technically what happened there. Red shirts show up and shut down a political event. What if brown shirts showed up to bernie's event and went mental. The media coverage of that would deamonize the protestors beyond belief. Either scenario is not legal and people should stop for a minute and question anything like this happening at all. What's next? Baseball bats at the voting booths to persuade you to vote correctly?

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tfw it's true. all of it

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Embrace the righteousness of communism as you were meant to do so.

>>674711882
kek. Trump needs a safe zone to spit his hate. He's gonna destroy Isis but Meghan Kelley makes his dick shrivel.

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Join us, and out flank the reactionary, capitalist swine.

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Liberals, republicans, libertarians; all will face the judgement before the working class they were SUPPOSED to represent.

>>674695665
Oh well ! Another dumb american fucktard. Bernie is the best thing that is possible for your country but you vote for a racist industrial tycoon, who is obviously just saying how great america would be without muslims and non-whites.

>>674712184
Bernie's rants piss of republicans as much as trump pisses off democrats. As of this moment I don't recall any democratic events being stormed and shit down. Keep it classy demo's

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Help us help you help us all.

Reactionaries will suffer.

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can we just get rid of niggers so society can resume advancing rather than going back to caveman "might makes right" tier life

>>674712649
> I'll just let this list of gross oversimplifications and misrepresentations do the work for me.

>>674699587
Texas. 2nd largest economy in the US. Basically could be its own country and makes the north states look like a bunch of bitches.

>>674712756
I call bullshit on that.

>>674712478
Trump pisses off everyone except his hick fan base. If what sanders says makes you angry you are either a neocon, insanely wealthy, or an idiot.

>>674696828
>implying minimum wage has anything to do with socialism.

Did you even compare the populations of the mentioned countries and the US?

>>674712756
because white women are most likely to be tumblr liars. nigger looked at me from across the street. I WUZ RAPED

>>674699172
This is just plain wrong, why shouldn't healthcare be a right? Even if it's not a right a single payer healthcare system( which isn't free healthcare, you retard) would be beneficial and actually save us money. http://www.pnhp.org/facts/singlepayer_myths_singlepayer_facts.php
But that's not what's happening, the government isn't stealing from you, you are refusing to pay the cost of citizenship as determined by democracy. You do realize that it would pay for your healthcare aswell, right?
You know corperations where illegal under the orginal constitution?

>>674712862
margin for error on those statistics is 10 but for consistency's sake it is pretty safe to assume that the number is 0

>>674712815
Texas. The place that elected the zodiac killer to public office.

>>674712919
>didnt even look at the cited sources at the bottom

stay cucked lol

>>674712919
Nah, blacks commit more rape.
Also why would a white guy want to rap a black chick.

>>674695665
Your definition of socialism is fucked up and wrong

Goes for most of americans

>>674699172
neither a need nor a right
Don't dare call it a need or the liberals will con their sheep followers into believing that anything needed must be provided by the government.

>>674695665
Socialism worked in Sweden, when it was whiter than snow and you could cut the balls of gypsies and insane people.
We stopped the forced sterilisations and what do you know, 40 years later every reporter is a huge pile of cancer...

>>674712991
US the place that elected bush twice and looks like its going to come down to Hillary vs Trump this time.
Whats your point?
Doesn't change the point I made.

>>674695665
>>>/pol/ is that way m8

>>674700367
>45 % tax

How much do you make? In other countries income tax is proportional, to be paying 45% you must be earning a shitload of money.

>Deal with permits and forms

Not going to defend bureaucrats, but those licenses and permits are there so you can't just do whatever you want without control. Licenses for some activities that need to be under control, to ensure that you're not tricking your customers... Controls in place for citizens, so business can't just use all the power they may have over customers. Same with trucks: we don't want you to be on the highway with a car that is not secure (for you and the rest of the people).

Basically, your cry for "squandering freedoms" is just "I don't want to acknowledge that there are other people in this country and I just want to do my thing even if it messes up with others' freedoms."

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>>674713101
exactly, black chicks just look like black dudes with makeup. hopefully emporer trump can remove this cancer on society, or at least put more restrictions on welfare so they cant apply for it just because dey elbow feel funny

>>674712978
I call bullshit on that as well.

>>674712874
Not a neocon at all. Business owner and have had some very good years and bad ones and not an idiot. I made just over 300k last year and employed 6 people. I worked my ass off and had the stress of coming up with enough work to keep all them working so they could have keep roofs over their heads and so keep food on their children's plates.

>>674713110
If something is absolutely needed, then it is usually a right. If that is true, then the government must protect that right, and so the government must be the one providing whatever is needed.

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>>674713588
>i can not refute your claims or sources so i will say some profanities
hey i take you seriously lol

>>674713742
no providing and protecting are different. And jut because it is needed doesnt make it a right. Need is relative. Need for what? Need water to live everyday but don't need it to live only 1 day. A right is an ability to do something, not a right to a product or service. Fool. Learn what natural rights are.

>>674713697
Your tax rate would go up by 4% under sanders brackets plus you would save money on health insurance for employees with universal healthcare. What don't you like?

>>674712874
He says tax the rich. You must be an idiot cause the rich can't pay for his shit. their taxable income is limited. Most of their wealth is tied up as shares in companies and other various investments. And the only way you;'re gonna get it is by seizing that shit. Fucking tard.

>>674714071
Did you factor in the monies in offshore tax havens? Or the fact that corporations get subsidized to the point where they don't pay a nickel in federal taxes?

look what the fuck capitalism is doing to the states.

>>674714217
monies offshore? That still doesn't - income you imbecile!

Fact of the matter is you can't pay for your gay ass shit welfare healthcare programs with what he proposes. You're economically illiterate. You think taxing everyone will solve everything.

Every rich person and corporation will leave this country in the dust. Cause no one wants to pay for your shit you dumb serf.

>>674713560
Mandatory drug test for people that want welfare.
First offence you lose it. That would get rid of alot of it.

>>674714402
If they leave the country you revoke their copyrights and patents. Simple as that.

>>674714573
Doesn't matter they don't wanna do business here anyways

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>>674714307
>capitalism

>>674712815
>Basically could be its own country and makes the north states look like a bunch of bitches.

>>674695665
Socialism is working very well in China

>>674695665
It doesn't matter. None of this matters.

What matters, is that Socialism is fucking immoral, and it will never, ever, work.

"Mm let's steal from the rich and give to the black hole of the poor people! This'll work!"

What the fuck is wrong with you idiots? Do you honestly think Socialism is a fucking sustainable lifestyle? Or are you that short sighted?

FDR implemented social programs and policies and elongated The Great Depression. The fact that he did not let the free market run it's course is why it lasted so long.

Aside from that, we have so many social programs from that time and more additional ones, and what have they solved!? We still have the same fucking problems from 70 years back so "hey, let's add more! It'll be fuckin' gr8!"

I got a papercut on my finger let me try taking a god damn cleaver to it.

Fucking imbeciles.

>>674714921
Give the poor more and they lose the incentive to better themselves, but give the wealthiest people more or they lose the incentive to better themselves.

>logic

>>674714458
i like this, it's in the realm of possibility unlike what i wish would happen. would happily settle for it

>>674714921
Also add that those praised Socialist utopias in Europe only tax their highest bracket at 28%. What the fuck is would happen if Bernie's dipshit cucky ass got in and hikes ours up to 54% as he planned? Well say goodbye to all of out companies and say hello to communism, because that's what Socialism is without a free market.

>>674715038
Nobody is "giving" to the wealthy, you fucking moron. They're EARNING it for the most part.

Corporate welfare, OTOH, is just as immoral as shit stain welfare. I see your point though.

>>674713697
Don't agree with the free education and healthcare. I see a lot of problems with the free education in particular. Tax payers are going to be paying for the educations and it's a good idea but flawed also. If the government invests say 100 000 into someone's education and they end up making a lot more throughout their life and paying in say 1million in tax that's a good deal for the government. But, if too many people end up going into colledge and there's an excess of people for a certain amount of jobs I think it will reduce the wages for those jobs. Also i would question if these people were really capable of doing the job if college was fully paid for. The coledges are going to take advantage of the huge gravy train and I can't see how there won't be a lot of people who will be educated but maybe out of their league in the real world workplace. They'll probably be let go and have a lot of frustration. Not to mention all the ones who end up flipping burgers. In the end we will all have to foot the bill for all the educations and I don't think it will end up adding up in the positive

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>>674715163
52% is the highest rate and that's for people who make more than 10 million a year.

>>674711882
>There are laws against protesting state events. It was ileagl technically what happened there.

lol what the fuck are you going on about

the first amendment protects you from state intervention only, not from other citizens protesting your shit

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Socialism has done wonders in Scandinavia. Just look at Norway and Iceland. I live in norway and i pay 35% tax happily. Everything is free, even university education. Education is key, so when you american idiots refuse to pay taxes, education is just for those who can afford it. No education = no job (almost). No job = welfare applicants. Where do they need money from? You tax-payers ofc. Norwegian tax money goes to educate. American tax money goes to pay welfare for those you won't pay an education for.

We are at an extreme point in norway now with "lots" of unemployed. 90.000 in the whole country. Call me the day that happens in the U.S.

Protip: you won't ever

>>674715342
Yeah, no shit. I read his tax proposals bro.

The problem is do you really fucking think they're going to stay here?

"Oh don't worry it's just one bracket that is expected to rake in the most money"

Please explain how this is anywhere near a logical plan to end the debt crisis with FIAT currency which is fucking worthless.

Free stuff in a country that's almost 20 trillion in debt? You fucking assholes are shot

>>674715496
Welcome comrade

>>674695665
> I'm a severe tbi survivor
Well that explains it.

>>674715536
Or we could continue the healthcare system we have now where we pay more than any other country on earth

>>674715496
>Where do they need money from? You tax-payers
>not themselves though
yeah we all wish it would change and they would stop asking for gibsmedats and just work for themselves. some day maybe, friend. hoping to god that something will make all the niggers either wise up and earn their keep or fuck off forever

>>674715431
Look into it more man.

>>674715688
Are you daft?

If we got rid of all of this ridiculous government intervention, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in! That isn't even going anywhere near the issues with the Federal Reserve and it's worthless fucking money that we slave away for, where do you think the inflation and price hikes are coming from? You think the corporations are just doing it for fun? Of course not. Economic collapse is coming and it is NOT possible to recover from with the way our system works - period. Bernie fucking Sanders can't change that.

We need little to zero government if we want things to change. Literally man, do some research on how this country ran before 1913 and FDR fucked it all up.

>>674714921
Free market was the meme that caused the great depression in the first place
throw away the ayn rand books bucko

>>674715941
State law doesn't trump the constitution. That's like saying a state can deny you an attorney because that's a law there. I'm not actually dumb enough to believe that would happen, just an example.

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>>674716032
Less government regulation of Wall Street lead to the financial crisis. You miss that part?

>>674716032
>We need little to zero government if we want things to change.

I actually can't wrap my head around why people would think that.

>>674716101
Objectivism is literally the worst

>>674716101
No, that is a foolish notion.

Depressions are an inherent part of free markets, just like depression is part of life. But worse depressions had happened in America and we recovered 10 times faster without the bullshit government intervention. FDR and his policies only made things worse this is documented history my friend. Why on Earth would you trust the government anyway? Half of you backwards "Socialists" hate the fucking police and now you want the state and fed to have more power? Goodness, you'll all be sorry.

It always seems to escape people as to which way everyone was going when they crossed the Berlin Wall at great peril.

>>674698018
No immigrant has taken any job that I have ever applied for. They take horrible jobs that nobody wants. You honestly think Americans are going to work for $0.50 an hour picking tomatoes for 13 hours a day?

Also, to answer your question about the welfare recipients using drugs, the states that have enforced drug testing for welfare recipients have found out the hard way that they are wasting a ton of tax payer money to catch nobody. They're wasting way more money drug testing than the less than 1% of recipients that they've caught (which is so far less than the average of 9.2% drug testing failure rate for workers) in all but one state. And that one state was below that average also.

>>674716032
corporations exist to profit and their bloat in the last 50 years has been beyond the rate of inflation by a large margin
no amount of letting people do what they will without regulation will amount to fair representation of majority parties and it only historically ended up harming the working class
free market is a meme

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>>674695665

Basically all "-isms" are shit.

Including (but not limited to):
-Socialism
-National socialim
-Communism
-Capitlism
-Feminism


The trick is to not think in extremes.
Freedom of market does not me we can shit on the poor.
Welfare doesn't have to mean restriction of the individual.
Equal rights does not mean we enforce political correctness even if it's just plain wrong.
If black people commit more crimes than we should search for the causes (maybe we look at their imcome too?) and neither jump to conclusions nor be in denial about it.

Peace out.

>>674716363
FDR was so bad he only got elected 4 times. And once again socialism doesn't equal communism.

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>>674695665
socialism doesn't work because its bullied by capitalism all the time. if all countries were socialists, same would apply to a few, special snowflake capitalism countries

>>674716307
Why? Why is that so hard to wrap your head around?

What does government do that small societies of people cannot do for themselves?

What do you think, if government was gone tomorrow you'd turn into a ravenous, immoral killer? If that's the case you have more problems than you realize.

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>>674695665
Looks like your mother's birth control failed as well. We should get rid of it.

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> me browsing this thread

>>674716516
If you take away any government restriction all power immediately goes to the wealthy. Oligarchy turns to regional monarchy.

>>674716458
That's against the Constitution you fucking moron. Again, media lies and dependence in government fucking everything up. FDR is a meme, and overappreciated imho.

>>674704658
>>674704272

When the minimum wage was created, it was meant to be the minimum wage a person could make to raise a family and live comfortably, according to FDR, the developer of the minimum wage. So fuck off.

“By living wages, I mean more than a bare subsistence level — I mean the wages of a decent living.” (1933, Statement on National Industrial Recovery Act)

http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/takingnote/2014/03/07/f-d-r-makes-the-case-for-the-minimum-wage/?referer=

>>674716363
It's less giving the government powers to fuck with your lives and more taking the power from greed fueled profiteers who take at the cost of the livelihoods of many simply because they're "allowed" to in the rules they wrote for themselves
People should control the government and in turn the government should serve the people and by people I mean the whole and not specialized interest groups with money

>>674716688
> being this misinformed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt#Fourth_term_and_death.2C_1945

>>674695665
>germany
>china
>cuba
those countries have never been socialist

nice bait

>>674716679
What "power"? It only exists if you believe that.

An awakening needs to occur in the minds within a society in order for Anarchism to actually work. I'm not a proponent for Anarchy tomorrow, but for fuck's sake is it really that insane of a notion to think that a peak point of human evolution would be the ability to live without these overlords?

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>>674716112
Here's an article about the law

>>674716688
Are you telling me that he wasn't elected to four terms?

>>674716516
>What do you think, if government was gone tomorrow you'd turn into a ravenous, immoral killer?

Nope, but I do think a fair amount of people that are born in situations of power would abuse that power in most unpleasant ways. It's not exactly a hard thing to foresee : people have always acted that way.

Hence why we created governments in the first place. Every civilization in the world has one, from the moment they go over a couple hundred people. And that's hardly a coincidence.

>>674716790
Wikipedia!? Lmao are you fucking joking?

>>674699556
wrong. What do you suppose fiscal policy is? sometimes it's about creating jobs just to get people working (a new deal)

>>674716943
See: Second amendment

There is a reason we are an armed populace.

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who cares?

bernies already lost, his supporters are too dumb to realize it

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>>674695665
>Socialism
>in China

>>674716891
Oh, well, that's a different thing. But we're far from being at that "peak point" right now.
> What "power"? It only exists if you believe that.
I tried very hard to disbelieve money could buy things. It didn't work.
>>674716679
is completely right.

>>674716440
Fucking communist. This is why the Ferengii had to conquer the federation.

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>>674716637
exactly the same for me. look at all this pseudo intellectual bullshit.

>>674716923
No, not at all. I'm saying there is a reason as to why he was, and it is stated in that post.

Media lies, and dependence on a higher power. FDR was a fuck up, period.

>>674716891
Are you one of those dumb ass anachro captalists that think they would be able to function in that society when they are starting from the bottom and the rich start at the top?

>>674712909
Why do you think it does not work in higher population countries?

>>674717073
I agree, we are quite far. But how can we get there if we keep allowing more and more government intervention? We have to start small and keep limiting them until we have none, and need none.

>>674717049
Where's Karl Rove when you need to unskew some numbers?

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>>674717011
And that reason would be ? Going back to Far West days ? Whoever has the biggest load of cash can get himself the most mercenaries ?
A gun doesn't give you safety. It insures the most ruthless gets to the top ; it is no equalizer at the scale of a society.

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>>674717144
What would my life have to do with theirs? People would have the ability to become entrepreneurs without taxation, without intervention and other ridiculous factors that exist today.

Again, I am not a proponent for this to happen tomorrow. There needs to be an awakening first.

Think "evolutionary anarchist"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2040798/

For all you fags who are too stupid to understand without flashing lights and movement.

>>674717269
This. Rich people can buy more guns than poor people. You're buying .22 ammunition and they're buying mortar shells.

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>>674699996
Tell me, what do you suppose a lot of millitary spending is? That's taxpayer money being redistributed to large corporations that employ vast numbers of consertive white people.

And the bank bailouts, more wealth distribution to rich people.

socialism is alive and well in the USA, but for rich people.

Spend a fraction on education for the nig-nogs and then you'll have uppity rich niggers voting the wrong way.

Fuck that, the pakis can't vote and will work for less, bring them over on a special work visa.

>>674717269
Found the leftist fool.

"Far West days"

What's the difference today? They all wear badges and are employed by three letters?

>>674717190
>Why do you think it does not work in higher population countries?
not the same guy but-

socialist policies never work in higher population countries

Look at Canadas healthcare, 1.3 trillion in debt and terrible service

Or american social security, crashed in 1977, again in the 90s, and is set to crash again in the next few years.

When you have to implement social policies on a large scale their are often too many variables to possibly control, and high immigration, erratic population growth, and high unemployment will only make it harder.

Thats why socialism doesn't work in america, in addition to the fact that we have little to no national production or manufacturing.

>>674717353
I agree I have to wait for a black man to be convicted of a crime before I use him as slave labor. I hate this regulation I want to just go out and capture black men and force them into my slave workshops without all the hassle of a trial.

>>674717195
You're talking as if the traits needed for successful anarchy were a trainable aspect of independence. Whather it's trainable, and trainable in that way, is more than doubtful - we're not talking about teaching a child how to cycle ; and whether the virtue you want to nurture is independence is another matter. I really don't think it is.

What would be necessary for successful anarchy is more enlightenment : a better, more universal and more diverse education, values os brotherhood being taught and upheld... Those don't come with less government regulation, they're somewhat unrelated to it. Except a government is necessary to ensure everyone could get access to that level of education, and to punish freeloaders to make that behavior counterintuitive.

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>>674695665

You have no idea what socialism is. Sanders is trying to do shit that is already in place in the UK and Australia. In fact, it's less than they already have.

>>674717515
Spend less on one-time toys that blow up.

Just stop the F-35
And those shallow-water ships that are shit?

And cut out all those free-loading veterens from their entitlements.