I Hope when Putin Steps down that there will somebody who is similar. I believe that Putin together with Lavrov are the best Statesmen we have in Europe. In my opinion they have been responsible for stopping The USA of completly destroying the Middle East. I hope Russia will continue supporting Assad and help destroy ISIS in the future no matter who will be their Leader. As for what will happen to Russia itself when Putin steps down I don't really know since it is difficult to find unbiased reports of public opinion of the russian government.
Greetings from Germany

>>674254713
Thanks, anon. Only info i have is that Putin will not participate in the next election, and that there is quite a bunch of clowns as possible candidates. But we still have 2 years to sort that out, and thats good.

Eh, I don't know.
Плевать мне, наверное.

>>674255692
Ты ничего не ожидаешь в будующем? Ну хотя да, сейчас ситуация такая, что нужно просто подождать и посмотреть, как изменится ситуация в мире. Я же надеюсь на программы по обмену студентов, чтобы у меня была возможность сесть на трактор, когда следующим президентом выберут какого-нибудь Зюганова.

Путин пидорас
Я все.

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России пизда изза НАТО

>>674256331
Пояснишь?

>>674256180
Угу. Наверное.

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I hope Russia will burn soon.

>>674256904
why tho

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Got vodka?

>>674253534
potato vodka for everybody

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>>674256967
To make the world a better place.

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Cyka Blyat

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Russia strong! Russia superior!

>>674257198
Ah, okay then.

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Русский чат!

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Feel the mysterious deepness of russian soul through this beautiful photo.

>>674257521
Ты сайтом ошибся.

>>674257198
How much impact on global politics does Russia cause, in your opinion? The only thing Russia does is fighting sandniggers in Syria, thats pretty much it. What exactly makes this country an enemy in your eyes?

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Post in the thread and win exclusive russian tour with this guys.

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>>674257698
I don't know, really. I hope it's influence is reduced to minimal.

>>674253534
а чо не на двачах, импортозамещение не поддерживаешь
пидор, штоле?

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May be this is Dostoyevsky on the photo?

>>674258026

dvach has no loli board.

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This guy is chilling after enjoying some classic russian literature, I believe.

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>>674257558
Places like that are pretty hard to find, actually. Have a photo of my hometown. Thats what the majority of Russian cities look like.

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If your kid is not russian enough you can always improve him.

>>674258243
Clearly that's Pushkin.

>>674258000
Why tho?

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>>674258447
I don't think so. My sources are trustworthy.

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>>674258729
I don't know. May be it's just faces I don't want to see ever IRL.

>>674258447
Yeah, looks nice...from 5,000 meters up.

>>674258607

>baltika
>not zhiguli

0/10 bourgeois and anti-Russian.

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I love the russian tradition to have a family dinner every Sunday.

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>>674258981
Out of curiosity, What kind of faces do you want to see then?

>>674258981
Oh. Well, theres only one way to meet those faces irl, and i dont think you are willing to buy a plane ticket. Nothing to worry about then.

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>>674259078
Relax and have a cigarette, my boy.

>>674259290
Niggers!

>>674259134
Let me guess your grandfather was gassed by the KGB?

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>>674259290
How about human?

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>>674259052

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>>674259426
Like nigger niggers? Africans?
Dude where do you live?

>>674253534
I wouldn't minde to warch russia burn...

>>674259464
What is this miraculous country where you live that everybody is beautiful educated and with good maners .

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>>674259052
Doesnt really look bad, does it?

>>674259595
Hurr me doo...

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>>674259441
You can really pass out in the russian traditioanl restrooms, no joke. Is that KGB gass cameras you mentioned?

>>674259656
I live in slovakia. Pretty much same thing here.

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>>674259052
One more.

>>674259749

vatican
swiss
monaco

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>>674259749
Not Russia, obviously.

>>674259889
You act like little boy who was beaten up at school. Get yourself together. We are grown men here.

>>674258447
>five million blocks of flats that all look the same
you sure that's not just a sim city screenshot?

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>>674260034
Nice try, Vladimir.

>>674257698
Can you stand on the Street and say something loud against the Gouverment in Russia? No? in the West we can! Think about that

>>674260050
Also known as the kike zones.

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>>674260102
Sure we are. Like this russian brave strong man.

>>674259786
New construction. Take a picture of this place in a year and get back to me. Seriously, everything in former Soviet states is made of poor quality concrete.

>>674259786
looks cleaner then german cities

>>674253534
Hi Russian bro.
What's your opinion on Poland and Polish people?

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Sweet russian view.

>>674260185
Say something against muslims or jews. Lets see what happens. We are not as different as you think.

>>674259575
Taken at night and the ground is covered in snow. But I understand...it's tough to make your point!

>>674260185
try to say something about jews...

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>>674260365
Sure. German streets just cannot compare.

>>674260463
not that anon, but it is equally likely that you will get shit for saying something pro-muslim as you will for saying something anti-muslim. at least that's how it is in the midwestern US

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>>674253534
Either we go west and end up as degenerate capitalist faggots that we partly are thanks to yeltsin and gorby.
Or we go back to gulag system and survive.

>>674259749
Russians are highly educated...they buy the best grades!

>>674253534
There are only a few outcomes, but i honestly think Russia is one of the safest countries in the world atm

>>674260393

I know Poles hate us, but I don't have anything against Poles. The only half-polish guy I know was an ok guy. I also know your women are pretty.

And I love Chopin; play his stuff all the time on the piano. But my cultural indoctrination has left me with some nervousness when I hear the word "Pole".

>>674260680
In country side russia its also all patriotism and high morality. But you undrrstand that in modern centralized world there is little that province decides. Peasant class dies out everywhere.

>>674260439

Here the children who will change the world are being raised..

>>674260628
why do you save all those pics ?

i dont get this.

>>674260714

Demand for good grades is very low, so they aren't that difficult to buy.

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Hey kids, why won't you come out and play outside?

>>674260823
Lets blame russia for behavior of nature now

>>674260890
>Peasant class dies out everywhere.
or becomes more invisible

>>674260823

lel at the sign

>straight from Germany

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>>674260968
I save them for you, my russian friend.

>>674260185
Thats kinda retarded, standing in the middle of the street and yelling about something. But sure, there is not much cops on the streets, and the only reason for them to detain you would be filthy language.

You know, i had to deal with police once. I was chilling in a park, drinking beer, when 2 policemen came and told me that drinking alcoholic beverages in public places is prohibited. After that they took me to their post, got my info, had me fill in some paperwork and then let go. My penalty should have been a ticket for like $7 (500 rubles), but i never actually got it.

I dont know why do people still see Russia like a barbaric country. There is no big difference between Russia and Europe in terms of living and walking around and doing all the usual shit. Its all the same as everywhere else.

>>674261095

reminds me of a nightmare I had.

>>674260290
I lived in that city for year, nothing has changed.

>>674260968
He boosts his self estime over the idea that he might have ruined somebody's mood on the internet. This is 4chan dont say you are surprised to encounter inpolite people here.

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>>674261101
Nature's been tough here. It litters.

>>674260760
Don't worry. Many Poles (including myself) love Russian culture. Now we have shitty Russo-phobic government, but there are still normal people, who like our fellow Slavic brothers from East.
And your women are really pretty too.

>>674260365
I guess that's why so many Germans are emigrating to Russia. Oh, wait....

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Russian crusade is on!

>>674260596
This exact city is cowered in snow 8 months out of 12. Thats the usual view.

>>674261201
Yes if you live in moskou and not even to far from center. So or you never been in europe or your ignorant maskowskie

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>>674261458
>Russian culture
Top kek.

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Poor russia.
I wish everything good happens to you comrades.

>>674260745
As long as you have a strong krysha.

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Hello. We are russians, may we share some russian culture with you?

>>674261127
I go on trips to country side here and its realy scary. Empty villages. Occasionaly an old grandma or bearded old man. Everybody left to the big cities for a dollar. A hundred years ego. 2/3 of the population were peasants who lived not too different from thier ancestors in middle ages. Backwords yes but they were carriers of our culture and tradition. Our most caluable resource. Now gone. Nobody wants to work. Only consume now, these pathetic parasites.

Problem with Russia is that it is prideful and nationalistic. Well, much like the US. The difference is that while Russia wants to be treated same as the US, it can't compete with it neither economically nor militarily. So there is that. When Putin steps down I doubt that he would allow some street bomzh to take over the country, likely someone from their own circle, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Neither is Putin necessarily a bad thing for Russia (at least probably).

Problem with the west is that the west and Russia probably won't understand each other for quite a while. While west perceives Russia more of a backwards country to have business with (although recently sometimes praised as the paramount of resistance to the US hegemony), Russia perceives the west as a threat for various reasons, internal and external (especially US). It's handy to have an image of a common enemy within a (mostly) non-democratic state. Threat unites people, especially when it comes to nationalism, which is needed in case of Russia as it is a vast federation composed out of various cultures (state also owns the majority of relevant TV stations, from which 80% of people gets most of the info, like news and such, not as many people use internet as primary source of information yet, but it is changing gradually, but so do Russian laws regarding that, making it harder to maneuver within the internet). External reasons mostly because Russia still has remnants of the Soviet mentality of the West (west vs us), while west isn't as united as many Russians think. Every country pretty much follows its own interests. For example NATO, nobody forces other countries to take part in NATO, it's not some american dictatorship or anything. It's beneficial to both, the US as the prominent member of the alliance, and the other members which can spend less on their military, save up on money and specialize their own military in particular fields. -character limit-

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>>674261689
Don't bother, my friend.

>>674261479
If you are so brave name your country faggot

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Canadian anon from Croatia here.

I actually have a lot of Russian friends at school. And I can honestly say that they're all great people to be around. I also admire Putin's effort to try and sort out the current bullshittery going on in Syria right now.

All the best, fellow Slavbros

>>674260890
> High morality
Along with high rates of alcoholism...high rates of spousal and child abuse...high rates of truancy...
Seriously, have you been to a village or dying industrial town?

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Yfw you're russian..

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>>674261757
that is pretty harsh

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>>674261817
>problem with a country is that it is too nationalistic
Nice try shlomo, the oven is that way.

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>>674261983
Lol, you want to come over? On a true russian vehicle like pic related?

I can see shit hitting fans every where. I hope that every one survives this.

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>>674260890
>all patriotism and high morality
LMAO.

>>674261342
yeah i know hes butthurt.
>>674261465
no matter how much you put russians down, they beat you in ww2, that means you are worse! lol

>>674261556
I have visited many cities in my country aside from Moscow: Tyumen, Ekaterinburg, Magnitogorsk, Omsk, Novosibirsk, Krasnodar, St. Petersburg, Ufa, Nizhniy Novgorod. I have also visited several European countries: Poland, Italy, Germany, Finland, Montenegro, Croatia, Czech Republic, Austria. Didnt see much difference, aside from cultural (e.g. Catholic churches instead of Orthodox, old towns look differently, all that).

>>674261989

>kannst ersorgen

Shouldn't the modal verb come at the end of that sentence?

>>674262100
I will tell you a little secret only dont tell others. This is complitly normal bahavior for humans. Our species was based on people like these through all the course of our history. You cant build a civilization on bourgois faggot consumers.

>>674261516
That's why theres more dirt than pavement - can't see the ground anyway so why fix it?

-character limit continue-

I also wanted to add a thing regarding NATO. It is also partly West's fault for Russia perceiving NATO as a threat. NATO was specifically established to face the Soviets. After the fall of the USSR, not much or rather not enough was done to change that view. From both sides. West hasn't done enough to change their own stigma against Russians and change Russians' stigma against the West. Same applies for the Russian side.

Another reason why both sides won't understand each other is that although the west doesn't sometimes follow its own ideals of democracy and free speech, those qualities are deeply engraved into the system. So if anything, those things fail due to the inactivity of the people. Systematically, people still can make a huge difference. In Russia, people do not have the much needed systematical tools to effectively control the political situation. Not that they would if they could (I mean, people rarely involve in politics these days) but things like that are important. Systematically, Russia is not a democracy in the "western" sense. It has different kind of values, regime, etc. So even on a cultural level there are some misunderstandings

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Russian resorts are the best ones worldwide.

>>674262004
Cheers.

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When you're so retarded, so it's considered as russian.

>>674260120
It's to fuck with invading armies.

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>>674262416
>x_0f4770e8cb.jpg
>x_0f4770e8cb
Hmmm
Hmmmmmmmmm

>>674262799
>Cross made out of cig packs
>Retarded

That's fucking hilarious, are you shitting me?

>>674262416
These people live in small communities where everybody knows each other for generations. Thier relations are built more on trust than ours in cities where everybody sits barricaded in his appartment.

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Man I just love the view.

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>>674261892
Seems like you guys always in pain.
But people won't bother because Putin says "It's OK world, we're fine" although you guys are not.

>>674260140
That's Dagestan.

>>674262004
Yes Russians outside of Russia are great. THEY GOT OUT OF FRICKIN' RUSSIA!!! Everyone left behind is too poor to leave, and most of the people in Russia are a surly bunch.

Im a westerner but I support Russia. Then again I also support the west. I just hate muslims

>>674263057

attention whoring semen demon.

>>674262609
Question. Is nato was made to face ussr why does it still existe? Check mate uncle sam

>>674262609
Well said. And as i have said earlier, the right thing for us, the usual folk, is to wait and see. Changes are coming.

A-are they?

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>>674263060
dagestan is cool

>>674263057
Nobody is fine in the world. We are not special in that regard. Name one place on the globe that is fine. I dear you i double dare you пидарас.

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>>674263297
I believe she's dead by now. Just like pic related. RIP

>>674262534
That isn't how it is where I live, no matter what Kiselyov tells you. You speak english so you can get another perspective besides Russian state-run media. Watch a little more english-language media. You'll find a wider range of opinions.

>>674263311
Nato is more than just a "no ruskies alowed" cardboard fort. Opposing USSR was one of the priorities, not all of them.

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>>674263670
I dont watch media at all. I base my world view of /pol/ and daily sturmer.do They count as western media?

>>674262891
It's working. Nobody wants to invade! :)

>>674263587

How did they die?

>>674263493
>one place on the globe that is fine.
Easy, Not russia.

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>>674263745
What next defeating the tyrany of sectoinds on repitulum Z in alpha elephant galaxy. Its same shit through all history. Quest for power under noble pretexts.

Thanks for the thread, people. Even those bydlo pics were hilarious. Have a nice day. OP out.

>>674262993
> Trust
Trust in the fact that if you screw over a fellow villager, they will burn your shit DOWN. Let's not romanticize the village. They're typically pretty bleak.

>>674264147
If you refuse to talk seriously i see no reason to continue this conversation

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>>674264085
>ywn save her from the hype train
>ywn find katya irl.
Yep, dead and dead.

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>>674264294
I know. That is the beaty of it. At our core we are all savage animals. Soviet experiment showed us that people work and respect order only as long as there is a gulag. With gulag we would be on mars already by now. Individual human life has no value on the global coyrse of history. Who remembers the millions of workers who died while building the pyramids? But the pyramids themselves stand.

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Lost hard at pic related.

What about Estonia, comrades? What will happen to puny little Estonia? When are you make her tiny, yet miraculously wide vagina feel the mighty power of your-

>>674264746
Your "logic" is making me dizzy. But, if individuals don't matter, then I guess Putin and all the dictators and oligarchs will step aside and let someone else take over? Because no one will remember them anyway, right? Or were you only talking about the little people?

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When you see it... you'll love Russia.

>>674265321
Russia existed before these people and will continue to existe after them. Its easy to demonize one evil master mind behind it all like in your stupid bond movies. But infact our political stance hasnt realy changed from ivan grozniy's reign. We have cult of our past not our present. Thats why our enemies attack our past.

>>674263311

Well like I said, NATO was established to face the Soviets, initially. But momentarily it is profitable to its members on its own, as they can save loads of money on military and focus on other things. It's just a military union, which admittedly has most of its military power from US.

>>674263326

Can't tell much about inner-political situation of Russia, I haven't particularly studied it. Much depends on the public opinion I suppose, given that the government pays so much attention and effort to it (sorta like a vicious circle, government feeds the public opinion and public opinion feeds the government). But in case of international situation, it depends on how the Syrian crisis will be resolved and what is going to happen in Ukraine. The West largely "forgot" about Russia until the Ukrainian crisis kicked in. If things become stable and cool down, I suspect the relations with Russia will stabilize. But then again I do not know how Russia will behave since it largely depends on the inner-political situation. Russia is a very conservative country with nationalistic tendencies so one thing it can do to help the reconciliation is opening up more to the west.

P.S. For future reference to everyone talking about West and US being shillz and me being a shlomo, I could criticize US and the West for hours, they have tons of bullshit themselves but the topic is Russia, hence my stance.

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That feel when you understand the beauty of Russia.

>>674264559

Can I read the story behind all this somewhere? Reverse search only grants Russian websites.

>>674265321
Because, you know, 10 years before Barack Obama became President, he was just a small-time state senator that nobody ever heard of. But he achieved a lot in his life. Maybe individual lives are pretty valuable...

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NATO give up!

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>>674260185

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>>674265155
Nigga stop taking them shrooms.

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>>674265829
>beauty of Russia.
spasibo za vodka bratan.

>>674265752
The anon posting all the bydlo pics is attacking your present. I don't think your future looks any better.

>>674265922
Obama is a puppet. All you politics with republicans and democrats is all a theatre for the american people. Wallstreet is in charge of things in your country. This is why the beautiful city of detroits was turned into that hell
Only profits interest these jewish capitalistd.

>>674265856

I just searched it myself.

17-year old girl studying computer science apparently killed herself by lying down on the tracks.
Reason unknown, but relatives and acquaintances say she was a "quiet, calm girl who would often space out, listened to "strange" music and was still a child at heart".

She took a few selfies at the train depot on the day she died, and her last status update read "nyaa, goodbye"

>>674266034
why are you posting an american dota player called arteezy blyat?

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>>674266411
Past is all we have. Our oresent was always this preef moment we had to only survive somehow. The futur was too vague. In ussr "bright future" was our version of paradise. As in our old song. "There will be heaven on earth but not for me and you, but we shall be remembered...."

>>674266588
This is why our kids must be isolated from decadent american music. It makes them commit suicide with all this punk goth emo shit.

>>674253534
I think that хохлы пидорасы (khokhols are pidors)

>>674266430
It's a theater alrght, but the people really do decide. Jeb Bush had the most money for his campaign but he didn't last long. You call Obama a puppet, many others call him a dictator, but I think he's just working within a system of institutions that have checks and balances. One thing is certain - Wall Street is NOT running things. If they were, the Keystone XL pipeline would be built and there would be a lot less financial regulation, not more.

Don't worry based natalia will take over

>>674266430
As for Detroit, c'mon. There were a series of mayors that borrowed too much and ran the city finances in to the ground. The last mayor went to prison for corruption.

How many Russian mayors have been imprisoned for corruption? Any?

>>674267415
This is just rat racing. At the end no matter who wins he will do what he is told. Your armament industry is making a fortune from all these conflicts around the world. You think they coumdnt "arange" that each and every fucking presidents sends troops somewhere in the middle east? First its to fight alquaeda the isis. Tomorow some other shit. This will never end.

>>674266891
And that, my friend, is why problems in Russia are not recognized and addressed properly. That, and because everyone with any authority is stealing everything they can!

>>674268094
Syria is one of Russia's biggest clients for weapons. Just sayin'...

>>674266624
He left Russia for a better life.

>>674267929
Not realy. they were mostly murdered by other corrupt criminals who wanted in thier place.
But detroit used to be the industrial marble of america. There the factories of henry ford worked. Then it all colapsed. People lost thier jobs. Lives ruined. And where are these working places? In china and mexico. Your people was soled out for more profits to the few.

>>674268424
All the complaints to modern russia... i thought you guys were happy that ussr collapsed? Back then we gave it for free to them so they destroy israel

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>>674268204
>people in power do bad things and care about the population
You post from some magical country where this doesnt happen.
We russians are not to get used to injustice and suffering. This is all our history. Our first viking kings sold us as kattle. But we will survive. we survived all until this point. Yet we believe in this vague bright future. If you never read tolstoy pushkin or dostoevskiy you cant understand us. You cant understand us on cold war propaganda alone.

>>674253534
I you ever go to Poland ... Don't.

And if you really must then claim that you are from Ukraine.
90% of Poles hate Russia for being murderers and liars. That is true, by the way.

>>674261817
agreed

>>674269534
Any tips about what to read first from them ?

>>674268504
Capital investments will go to where labor is cheapest. Detroit built their entire economy around automobiles. The labor unions got greedy and NAFTA removed trade barriers with Mexico. Kind of like Avtozavod, but still a helluva lot nicer.

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>>674269565
Didnt realy hear you complain back in warsaw pakt.

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>>674270288
But what they did is globalism at the purest form. Back soviet union this would never happened. Even unprofitable coal mines in my city were working until the end because otherwise people would not have jobs. It damages the structure of the country. Money cannot be the only motivator in industry.

>>674270079
Start with pushkin. He is our beginning and our everything. Start with Evgeniy Onegin.

>>674269534
So how about instead of just fighting to survive while imagining this bright future you speak of, how about you guys actually start fixing your real problems and working towards it for once?

>>674269534

>If you never read tolstoy pushkin or dostoevskiy you cant understand us. You cant understand us on cold war propaganda alone.

Sadly true. Russian culture has a long history and at times its particularly deep. Tolstoy, Pushkin and Dostoyevskiy wrote beautiful things. I love Russian culture in general but I'm highly critical about Russian politics. It's a shame that people often associate Russia only with its politics. I also adore Tarkovsky's movies. Masterpieces, in my opinion.

Wait there is an option for P-man to step down... isn't he like all the other rulers in the last few centuries picked for life?

>>674270854
Delaying the inevitable damages your country. You cannot fight these forces. Don't make people live, work and raise families in one-horse towns that have no future. That does not help anyone.

>>674257303
Nice meem

Greetings from Sweden! Please invade us, we need Putin to save us from our retarded politicians!

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>>674271096
Next thing you will say we must do it by all getting out on the streets and overthrowing the current tzar. Heard this shit twise already in the past centuray.
There is no bright future. Like is a journey not a destination.

>>674271490
I can agree with Russian culture being unundestandable for a westerner, but deep ? I mean sure the names change, but in practic it is the same system since like for ever. And before someone jumps on me for saying that, there is nothing wrong with it. china has the system for even longer and it works fine for them .

>>674270854
>Back soviet union this would never happened

This is a dated argument. So where is the Soviet union? It collapsed. It economically collapsed. Their theoretical and practical framework was fundamentally flawed. It just didn't work in practice. You can't manually control the supply and demand. Soviet union started to erode pretty much from the 70s. Communism is only a nice idea on a paper but it is too unrealistic of a concept to realize, at least not with under nowadays conditions.

>>674271815
Dear sweden we would love to replace your retarded politician with our retarded politicians but amzrica has military bases in your country to make sure only the retarded politicians it aproves of stay in your country.

>>674271821
So now you don't believe in a "vague, bright future"? Man, Russia is a depressing place! Time to emigrate, I guess...hey, I hear that Google and Apple are hiring!

>>674272245
America doesn't have any military bases in Sweden, we're not even in NATO.

>>674272004
By deep I meant as deep in thoughts. Russian culture has a lot of nihilism in it as well. Asking the fundamental questions and living and such. What do you mean by system/China?

>>674272502
I hear that Sweden has Russian submarines...

>>674257698
media

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>>674272141
Soviet union collapsed because of only one reasonsl. you destroyed it, you wouldnt leave us alone. Let us be behind the iron curtain like north korea.
Your american model is much alternative. You cucked the best of humanity out of existance. You liwered prices on gold and oil. You turned our premier gorbatchev into your marionette.
Again by you i dont mean simple farmer from alabama. I am talking about evil people from new york and washington. These people finance isis who destroy pricless historical temples.

>>674272565
well the council type of ruling system. the whole system how their central comitee works, is the same way manderin system worked[with the inheritors and the switch after some time]. You could grab a dude from 500years ago and he would have no problmes with understanding who rules what and how the system works.

As the nihilism goes, I do not see it. I see ton of people being grinded down by a system, but just because someone understands that and can't do anything about it, doesn't make them nihilistic. But I am also no expert on philosphy.

>>674272502
You are in europe. Europe is american puppet state. Look at how your rooling figures dont represent the wile of their oun population in the recent american financed refugee invasion.

>>674273440
That's why I'm asking you guys to invade. I'm sure you ruskis would be better overlords than the americans.

>>674272262
This is life to you? Sell your skin to some jew to satisfy your bodily needs? Is this what people regret of on thier death? Not having eaten an extra bowl of soup?

>>674257612
no he didnt. He's right where he needs to be. just relax and tard out like everyone else

>>674262450
Nazis were evil. Their defeat was a victory for a modern, free and democratic Germany. In that respect, we were on the same side. But the German communists that Stalin installed were also evil.

>>674273165
Dude please since the 70s, if Soviet Russia didn't milk all the satelite countries it would die of hunger. Communist works only in one setting a war one, when it wins new stuff to transport back hime, new land and new resources. Cold war was impossible to win for Soviets, because the system was not working, and vasal countries had a limit of how much they can be milked.

>>674273756
Okey i will write a letter to the president saying that a guy on 4chan gave the permission to invade.

>>674272141

>Their theoretical and practical framework was fundamentally flawed.

Actually I think your argument is dated too.

The Soviet Union collapsed because nobody was controlling and repressing the ruling class after Stalin died, so the ruling class began securing and acquiring personal wealth at the expense of state resources and state security. Basically the leaders sold it out.


> Soviet union started to erode pretty much from the 70s.

The 70's are considered the golden age of the USSR, and also of the entire history of Russia.

>>674273397

We are talking about two different things altogether. I'm talking about philosophical culture and you are talking about political culture. On political culture I agree with you that it is pretty primitive at the moment and relatively straightforward.

>>674273756
You have no idea what your asking for. I'll give you an example of how "life" under russia looks like. You trade with them, sell food, and have to buy stuff you do not want[which they make you resell to them for cheap]. Even then they are in the - in trade with you each year, because of how much food they drain from your countries. At the end of the year they should pay. they don't, two or three weeks before year end they send you a few old tanks or old migs they would normaly decomission. And suddenly you own them money, and of course you have to pay them in dolars.

>>674273867

>Communist works only in one setting a war one

Another reason why your argument is wrong.
The USSR was State capitalist economy since 1924 NEP, not communist.

State Capitalist, i.e. just like Turkey, and other countries not necessarily part of the Communist bloc/

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>>674273867
The system worked. Only problem wes we steaifed too far away from it. Why? Because we were afraid the system wes too extreme. There was no stalin who had the guts to do it. Without gulag, without a meatgri der it doesnt work. People are angry, unhappy, egoistic, lazy...but we had a cure to fix them. To make them obidiant. To make order. An order natural to man. Order built on strength.

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>>674273165
You do not understand market economics. You cannot force people to work efficiently for nothing. You cannot force people to buy your goods at the price you need to subsidise your lazy, inefficient ass...

Canada-born Russfag here. Should I move to Russia one of these days and start a business? I hate this fucking country being ran over by sandniggers and immigrants from everywhere and a shit economy with a fucking Liberal cuck faggot PM.

Also it's nice to see my fellow Slavbros being bros ITT

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what do normal russian citizens think about israel?

>>674273988

Nomenclature with corruption on high political levels just as much as on basic levels. The corruption you are talking about was prevalent everywhere due to the same reason as why it started to erode since the 70s. Because since the 70s while making their 5 year plans they realized that they can't keep up with the demand and were being too reliant on natural resources. The whole system was also a bureaucratical nightmare which also added to the corruption issue. Since the 70s they were ALREADY looking for some fundamental reforms. The effects of the issue were evident in the 80s.

>>674274369
Bullshit. We gave eastern europe weappons that could withstand those that nato had. Asking for some shews and apples in exchange for anti air missiles is fair. That is how feodal empires work.

>>674273988
It only worked because A milking of satalite countries which were forced by russia to lend money in the west, and resell stuff to russia for cheap. stuff they bought with lend money. then inter trade was also done in a crazy way. Everyone else was paid in rubels[no one in the west wanted those, and russians of course had a crazy exchange rate for those], but when everyone else had to pay Russia for stuff[they offten don't wanted] they had to pay in dolars.

russia will become a balkanized region in your lifetime

>>674273782
Settle down, Raskolnikov. Who cares where you live? I only want to live in a place where I can fulfill my potential. I don't believe that Russia is a place where most people can achieve all that they are capable of. Too much corruption and everyone is trying to take what you got.

>>674274829
That place where all the jews ran with the stolen money in the 90's. In soviet time we were teached that israel is american military base iniddle east.

Medvedev and Putin will switch places for one term, then switch back. Just like last time.

>>674274394
Bullshit. Stalin had to make changes, because the stuff they made before didn't work. You couldn't run and industry in a non economical way. And even that worked only in big industries, like the metal one. Want to talk how agriculture was fucked up? Or how work camp work was important to actualy building stuff. If you tried to run a country for a longer time like that you would have run out of people.

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political chain reaction
we die

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>>674274640
>market economy
>jewery.
I will tell you something more. You cant make people live from generation to generation only to work and buy shit thier dont need to survive with that money. This is pointless existance. People have brains. This is why they are unhappy. This is why the commit suicide. They want purpose in life. Making money and comforting your ass that will die and decompose eventualy is not purpose. It is bigest lie in modern world.

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>>674275041
We will set off our nuclear arsenal.
Yugoslavia became balcanized only because american involvment. Generals dont want another perestroika. Better death.

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Anyone who is claiming that the Russian Governent as a whole is corrupt, is a conspirator and should be treated as such.
You guys are either
>american propagandists pretending to be Russian
>Undeserving Ukrainian sympathizes who deserve a death sentance

>>674275360

Agriculture turned out fine in end until Kruschev fucked it up.

Camp work was important to catch up to other countries, it was needed during a time of crisis.
I'm not saying it was morally excusable, I'm saying there would be no need for it once all the important infrastructure was built.
All the camps were disbanded by Kruschev when the country got out of the crisis.

>>674274829

Israel is just an American leeching shill. Free Palestine faggots

>>674274473
What do you mean no gulags after Stalin? And order , please. the only kind of order Soviet Russia had under Stalin was the you were certain that you can be shot at any time, trailed at any time. It only "works" if one assumes that there is one human in the whole country[the ruler] and everything else is supplies and not people. then yes there is order. Staling knows when he wakes up, where he wants to do, what he wants to do etc. For everyone else everything is totaly random, there are no rules.

i hope to god no one as retarded as Trump steps into presidency cause if Trump, Clinton or Sanders wins the presidency, i need a better place to turn to that i know. And that place is Russia

>>674253534
How do you feel having 15 % of your population worshiping allah?

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>>674275660
Sounds like you want an excuse to be lazy and not work for your bread. This is why there is no innovation and nothing ever gets fixed in Russia. Go drink your vodka!

>>674271063
Thanks, i'll be reading this soon.
Would it be too much to ask for a list about what to read next ?

>>674274867
yeah right. First of all nato was a defense. They had no invasions plans. We [being on the same side as russians back under warsaw packt] had no defense plans, but a invesion plans. plus central europe[if war happened] would have turned in to a glass plain in the first day of war. And you didn't sell us AA missle systems, in fact you offten blocked building of those in satelite countries, if they decided to build some of their own.

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>>674276454
>Chechnya
>15%

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>>674276115
20th reunion of the party under crutsgev. He dismantled the cult of personality. Stalin should have instaled fear and respect in future generatiin from his mosolium but they were too afraid. Why? Because stalin killed people like them the first. Burocratz who think how to obuse thier power in their interest. There can only ine interest. The leader's interest which is also the countrie's interest. Strength, pride, duty, loyalty. Rings any bells. Weak spirited people are afraid of greatness.

>>674276538
Why do you even existe? What is your purpose?

>>674276071
Catch up with what. you didn't catch up with the west. And no agriculture did not work. you freaking devasted ukrain. every year you had to buy grain[and ukrain pre revolution had a production high enough to support russia and export food]. Your food in the 40-50s "worked" because you were feeding of other countries.
bull shit about the camps. the last big wave of people that ended in the cames came back in the end of 60s, and some never came back[and not because they didn't want to, they weren't allowed to come back].

>>674276325
Welcome, yo. Want me to show you some dank ski resorts?

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>>674277074

>existe

WHAT A FRAUD!

>>674276624

>First of all nato was a defense.

attack is the best form of defense.

>>674276624
>nato was a defense
Stoped reading there. So defensive you destroyed yugoslavia in self defense. It wasnt even a member of warsaw pact.

>>674276454
Feels good when its less than 50%, like europe.

>>674276624
West/Nato had invasion plan lmao.
It was about to start right after ww2 was over 1945 and planing cont after the war.
>Operation Unthinkable
All Warshaw pact was is defense it was answer on Nato forming afer all..Iron Curtain and shit.Ussr just wanted to be left alone and parcipate in proxy wars with west.

>>674276020
How much did you have to bribe your teachers to get through school? How often do you bribe the police if/when you are stopped? I'm sure there are some good people in government, but corruption in Russia is far and above any Western country.