Oh, no, my thread's gonna die!

losers gonna die

informative, but too clever for 4chan

>>673664445
We're gonna build a wall, and Mexico's gonna pay for it.

If you don't understand the value of education, you haven't been to enough poor neighborhoods.

>>673665973
>If you don't understand the value of education, you haven't been to enough poor neighborhoods.
Can you please drop the condescending attitude? It actually limits free speech.

Why is college education so important? Shouldn't we better invest in pre-schoolers rather than college students?

>>673665973
Typical retard troll. Says shit and runs away.

>>673664445
Bruh, his plan is actually quite comprehensive, with approximations on how much it will cost and how much it will benefit the economy. Have you actually researched this topic, or are you just making assumptions without research?

>>673667729
Can you provide me a link?
I know you say you have the answers, but can I see the actual answers please?

>>673664445
But thats just it, when compared to every one else, the rich people pay shit as a percentage of income.

That doesn't even begin to cover the whole republicans saying no to EVERYTHING. And they where pretty open about their no to everything plan when Obama got elected

Oh, also, let us not forget that the bail out was passed by the republican controlled house and senate, and signed by a republican president.

>>673664445
Now why should rich people pay?

Because like it or not, they too are dependent on our roads to transport their goods. They are dependent on the power that the U.S grid provides them to produce their goods. And they are dependent on an education system to keep their workers educated so they don't act like fucking idiots and can make informed decisions about shit. Because a population of idiots clearly is not working in the USA

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>>673668543
No one else will give you due credit for that, but I will.

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>>673664445
Basically, a few rich people in this country are dicks. They are going through a lot of effort to ruin everything for every one. Even other rich people don't like this and find it to be dickish behaviour. This has nothing to do with actual taxation or any dumbshit like that. It's literally a few rich assholes trying to ruin everything for everyone

>implying the koch brothers

>>673668843
Thank you. I fucking hate how 'murica, the country thats supposed to be so fucking christian can't even understand the concept of giving to Ceaser what is Ceasers

>>673667729
Hey, bro, do you have that link or not? You're just saying stuff, aren't you?

>>673668194
I'm a Republican. I don't know what you think about us, but I am very in favor of paying to treat the mentally ill, in favor of helping small children with WHATEVER they need, I'm in favor of a lot of things.

The question is: why the fuck should I give money for some adults to go to college and study philosophy and arts for free?

>>673668543
You didn't answer the question. This isn't about roads, this is about college education. And you have yet to prove that free college education is actually productive to me or anybody else than the person receiving the money.

Do you think that people who go to a college to learn philosophy and arts, and while they're there are subjected to all kinds of restrictions on freedom of speech, are intellectual and informed?

>>673668038
Literally google "bernie sanders plan." Here, I did it for you. https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/

>>673669035
Yeah, it's not even all the rich people. A few have been campaigning to have their taxes raised and have stayed out of the game of dumping money on politicians. They can see the writing on the wall too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2gO4DKVpa8

>>673669272
One needs to pay for college tuition because how are we going to keep the roads good if we dont understand how the roads are built, let alone how to build them.

How are we to fix the electronics we are all dependent on when no one has the training to do so?

Tell me, how are we gong to treat the sick and mentally ill if we don't study philosophy and arts? How do we determine what is right and wrong as a society if we do not have the arts to tell us what we are like? Are we to just trust the bible, because we have tried that for sometime now, and its not working yet....

>>673667729
All research I've seen posted or links provided are based on economic policies and laws from before he started campaigning that no longer hold true, and from far less than reputable sources, such as relying on economists from community colleges. Beyond that, making college free doesn't help. We already have far too many people with degrees that can't get a job in that field because too many people have that degree. That could only work if there was a shift in society to stop seeing jobs that don't require a degree as not being worth it. The amount of social programs he wants to put in would require a significant tax increase, because there's no where in the budget we can trim enough money to pay for what he wants to put into place. There is a lot of bad spending to trim, but he's overambitious in his potential spending.

More important than any of that, he's Democrat. Historically, so long as one party is in office, the US as a whole votes for the opposite party to control congress. He won't be able to enact any of his plans if he gets in, so he's only worth voting for if you want four years of almost nothing done.

>>673669843

>a few rich people
>a few rich
>a few
>few

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>>673669856
>implying the Christians actually read the book they spend so much time waving around.

>>673664445
Thank God you are standing up against a protest candidate with no chance of winning the nomination. What a brave soul.

Hopefully someone will have the balls to stand up to Jill Stein next, that commie bitch has gone too far!

>>673670056
He's our last hope, slim though it is. We're basically down to a corrupt bitch staring down the barrel of an indictment and a proto-Mussolini drumming up the retarded masses.

>>673669856
>Tell me, how are we gong to treat the sick and mentally ill if we don't study philosophy and arts? How do we determine what is right and wrong as a society if we do not have the arts to tell us what we are like?

LOL!
EPIC FAIL!

>>673669643
If any of those plans even get put into place, Congress will actively work against the payments being put in to place because it's majority Republican. He'll bring new social programs, maybe, but then be stuck with taking credit for the worst debt America has ever been in. A Democrat is almost garunteed to be ineffectual if elected in this year, not a fault of the candidate themselves but of the political system the US holds.

>>673669921

>implying there is no midterm
>implying Robert Rich works at a community college
>implying you actually check your resources
>implying that college graduation rates are not at a low
>implying our education system isnt shit
>implying you can predict elections (hindsight bias)
>implying you don't imply

>>673664445
Free healthcare, free college, redistribution of wealth. You don't have to have extreme poverty, extreme wealth and a middle class living in fear of loosing their jobs to be a successful country - i like Bernie Sanders.

>>673670349
>EPIC FAIL!

what are you in grade school?

>>673670349
Mind explaining my failure, because clearly I'm to stupid to learn morals from the plays made from the failures of the ancients.

inb4 yet another thread that disagrees with Sanders defaulting to calling him "socialist"

>>673668980
BULLSHIT! BULL FUCKING SHIT ALL THE WAY!
In America, 1% of the people own only 20%, not 46%. And they don;t actually own it, because they are part of a family, so their entire family, parents, spouses, children, cousins, all of them take part. They only hold the property title, not the actual control.

Then, other people actually benefit are the people who work there. If I own a building, you can say I'm rich. But I'm not enjoying the building. People who work there are paid. And they also enjoy all the fucking chairs and computer and the air conditioning. So, you might want to take another look at your drawing.

>>673669856
OK, you now say that college keeps the economy moving. That argument is wrong, but at least it's valid.

Let's discuss it. We have the ability to make rich people go to college. If you're poor, you can still go to college, but you should aim for a scholarship.

The problem is that some people don't have money (which is understandable), but they ALSO don't have the capacity to learn. Aha...

And people in the educational field AGREE on this. They say, for example, that only a few people with philosophy degree need to be sponsored, because they are talented and because we do need a few philosophers. But, only a FEW.

The problem arises when people know they are not good at philosophy and they won't get a job (but they hope anyway), and then they demand free college to follow their shitty dream that won't happen.

>>673670055

Maybe welfare queens should get up off their asses. Why should we give tax money to them and not say vets and old people who paid their dues?

>>673670791
You're so disingenuous, you suck shit!

I sad he is empty and populist. Not socialist. Socialism is pretty clear and fixed. Sanders is vague like shit.

Having college more easily accessible does not mean everyone gets a phd in poetry. It does mean that unskilled workers willing to perform shit tier jobs become more rare, and thus can command more pay or benefits. Others will go to trade schools allowing them to specialize and potentially sew the seeds of economic growth in poor neighborhoods. Lastly, it gives people a sense that they are free to choose what they become, rather than having it dictated to them by economic realities they inherit via the accident of birth.

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>>673670860
You sir are describing trickle down economics, at least a portion of it. You know the "make 'em work for it" portion. Tell Me, after 35 years of voodoo economics, do you think this, including what you said should be, and actually is, is really working?

>>673671186
I'm not saying it's working, I'm saying you shouldn't exaggerate the problem.

>>673670366
>implying there's any real difference between a democrat and a republican

>>673670791
Dissasembling the upper class

>>673671158
Except they don't gain bargaining power because their bosses are being taxed so hard.
Economic realities hasn't stopped thousands of dumb ass women from taking out student loans to pay off gender studies courses that will leave them working minimum wage for their entire lives.

This myth that throwing money at a problem will make it go away needs to die.

>>673670860
The statistic I quoted was a worldwide statistic. Here's the American numbers:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_inequality_in_the_United_States
The top 1% own 34.6% of the wealth in the U.S.

Here's the worldwide Oxfam report:
https://www.oxfam.org/en/pressroom/pressreleases/2016-01-18/62-people-own-same-half-world-reveals-oxfam-davos-report

62 people control more wealth than 3.6 BILLION people

I'll find links for income statistics next

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>>673671186
>You sir are describing trickle down economics, at least a portion of it. You know the "make 'em work for it" portion.

OH NO!
Make people actually WORK for things?

>>673671439
The sad part is that I'm really not exaggerating by much. We are not talking about some feminazi getting some stupid Ph.D for some op ed they wrote. We are talking about the very people we are going to need to fix shit and make it better. We are talking about more then just a couple of bad philosophers. We are talking about intelligent kids who could very well be the next Steve Wozniak who now can't be because they dont have the money.

Why don't you come live amongst the prolls and tell me whats up?

>>673670497
At midterm, more republicans will get put in unless there is a serious scandal with congress. The majority of the country is filled with morons. The president almost always takes blames for bad laws. Obamacare, for instance, is no where near what Obama proposed originally, but he gets all the credit for its failure, despite the large majority of the bill, as it is now, having been rewritten by congress. The same thing will happen with Bernie. He'll try to get something passed, congress will change it, it'll have Bernie's name on it, and he'll get the bad credit. Seeing another bad democrat, the people will vote more republicans into the congress. I'd love to see a system where Bernie could get his plans in, untouched by Congress, but it just won't happen. You need to vote on more than just political ideals; you need to consider the practicality of those plans being put in as proposed right now.

Beyond that, I'd be all for a covering college costs, but only if they person going can display the desire or ability to get the job related to that field. Essentially, a massively expanded academic grant system. I don't want tax dollars to pay for the degree of a college athlete that will never use it, nor am I interested in having it pay for fields that don't produce jobs, such as art history and gender studies.

You're right, I can't predict the election. I can, however, look at the history of elections and make a reasonable guess at how the public is going to continue to vote.

Our education system is shit and needs massive overhauls. Bush then Obama have made it progressively worse over the years, but I haven't heard any plans from Bernie to tackle the public education system, beyond colleges and universities. Could you link me to anything related to that?

I concede the point on Reich, however I was talking about other economists that Bernie has since stopped referencing. He's improved on who he seeks counsel with.

>>673671186

Not him but I think our system is fine as is. Brainless drone jobs at the bottom, higher educated and trained jobs in the middle, and specialized/government jobs at the top. People are just mad that they wageslave at walmart and wanna take money from people who didnt fuck around.

Also Bernies gotta be joking with his tax brackets. Youre literally getting punished for working harder. Social mobility my ass.

>>673672220
Hit character limit;

As far as college graduation rates go, we have too few STEM graduates, too many liberal graduates. That isn't likely to change just because of free college. What isn't considered, though, is that making it free would mean a significant increase in the number of new college students. Massively increased class sizes would cause the quality of education to drop for a while, until new facilities and professors are at the point they need to be.

>>673670860
Here's the statistics for the U.S.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_the_United_States

The top 1% gets 20% of all income and the top .1% gets 9.7% of all income

Here's the world statistics:
http://inequality.org/global-inequality/

1% earns 39.9% of all income worldwide.
There's more in there, frankly it's a depressing read.

>>673671745
Yeah, your right, I want to steal My neighbors shit. You know, My neighbor totally as things I want. Got that right buddy. I'm a massive coveter here boy.

>implying you can actually work for anything now adays
>implying veterans are not now working for minimum wage to feed their wives and three kids are not "working for it"
>implying you actually have an argument.
>implying you can make an argument with out stooping down to insults
>implying you be ashamed of your self

So he gave away 98% of his money right?

Oh he didn't?

Oh he is keeping his money and telling everyone else to just be okay with theirs being taken?

Great plan!

>>673671672
There isn't much difference between Democrats and Republicans. What does make the difference is who they'll go with based on that title alone. Republicans tend to support a Republican proposed bill over a Democrat proposed bill, even if the two attacked the same issue and the Democrat bill was undeniably better. The same happens in reverse. That's the only reason Congress' majority party is relevant at all.

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>>673670860
I have graphs too.

>>673671715
I told you, you are exaggerating the problem like a retard.

Rich people only have an official title of their wealth, that's all. A person who has a billion dollars doesn't eat a billion time more than a poor person.

>>673671934
I'm rather young and I live in a neighborhood that is below the nation median of wealth. I went to 2 public schools, and a private highschool. For 8 years I was in the public school, I was bullied beyond belief. You wouldn;t believe what they did to me or you would call it "accidental", or you would ignore me. I changed schools, still shit.

Finally, I convinced my parents to give me few thousand dollars a year to go to a private school,. and I finally started learning and passed the SAT with a score of 1840 (which is kinda low). Had I stayed in the public, I would have been retarded by now. A lot of the times, when my parents call me, I still insult them for leaving in the public for 8 years. I could have passed the SAT with a score of 2200, had they not been negligent.

>>673672344

Gee, I wonder how those 1 percenters got where they are.

:(

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Here's the distribution curve for the U.S.

>>673672540
Fuck off

>>673672808
They stole it from the Indians and the blacks, because you know, the Indians had all these computers and the blacks were quite good at math and building electronics and cars.

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Bernie Sanders can only win against Hillary if you vote. Honestly, I just want to see this match up.

>TRUMP VS BERNIE

>>673672805
I was in public education. I had scores of 2150+ across the board. It also depends on where you live and how motivated you are to learn outside of school. All my schooling happened in upper middle class, majority white and Asian town of about twenty thousand people, and there are plenty of people who get top college scores coming out of terrible neighbourhoods because they studied. The only point your parents deserve fault on is not doing more about you being bullied.

>>673672220

>implying republicans where not the first to call it "obama care"
>implying that the republicans had a majority at the time, and didn't filibuster the fuck out of NAHCA
>implying Bernie's plan isn't basically the new deal
>implying that two years of constant no wont cause the conversation to change when congresses approval rating drops from its current 5% to 0
>implying there is no such thing a gerrymandering
>implying your actually as conservative as you think you are (your actually a centralist)
https://berniesanders.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Wall-St-Letter-1.pdf

>>673672263
your right, The government should really pay for those brainless drones food because rich people are two petty to to pay for it. Because low wage workers being dependent on food stamps is not a thing

http://laborcenter.berkeley.edu/the-high-public-cost-of-low-wages/

>>673672277
The real problem with college education is how fucked up lower education is. The USes whole education system is fucked up, not just one part of it

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>>673672805
>a person who has a billion dollars doesn't eat a billion time more than a poor person
Yeah, they also don't live in a billion times as many houses or wear a billion times as many shoes or sleep on a billion times as many pillows. That's the problem, they cannot possibly consume enough to drive a major economy. If you give a poor guy an extra $100 he's going to go out and buy some shit he needs and someone will get paid to produce it, if you give a rich guy an extra $100 he's going to just bank it because he's already maxed out his consumption level.

Here, watch this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBx2Y5HhplI

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>>673671934
I personally have seen that if someone's intelligent enough the college education is not the only way to become successful. Also if they are poor but do well in school they should end up getting
Scholarships for college if they chose that route. If everyone gets college educations it will devalue the jobs they would try for after the fact due to supply and demand. Also people hiring grads would really question if the person is smart enough for the job if they open the doors to anyone wanting to get the education but may not be able to pull their weight in the real worl

>>673672743
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>STEM jobs are seeing unheard of growth across the board
>Libcucks still pursue a degree in libarts gender studies/philosophy anyway
>Its the 1%ers fault I dont have a job! So make the middle class foot the bill for muh programs!

Liberal logic

>>673673365
>we should steal wealth from people who worked hard to earn it

so much for American 'freedom'

>>673672808
Being born into it helps, A LOT

>>673673365
>if you give a rich guy an extra $100 he's going to just bank it

You are truly a moron.

>>673673523
Watch the fucking video.

>>673673347
Congratulations, you learned about anecdotal evidence. now can you please show us how you are not some how the one off?

>>673673365
They also would have billions to put into opening businesses the could employ the poorfags

>>673673365
>If you give a poor guy an extra $100 he's going to go out and buy some shit he needs and someone will get paid to produce it, if you give a rich guy an extra $100 he's going to just bank it because he's already maxed out his consumption level.

Fair point. But when you give a retard 100$ to go to a fucking imbecile art college, instead of letting perhaps a rich fellow invest it pay it to somebody that produces for the economy, I draw the line.

We already have welfare and we should expand it, for food, clothes, and even transportation. Not for shit.

What you describe there is marginal utility. But even marginal utility has its own limits.

>>673673627
watch the fucking video. I know you didn't because it hasn't finished playing in the background for me yet. If you think billionaires know about business, then you'll listen to this guy, he's a billionaire.

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>>673673458
>>STEM jobs are seeing unheard of growth across the board
>STEM is god STEM is life.

Fuck STEM, it's for uncreative people with 0 drive in their lives.

>>673673383
Have you ever competed for a scholar ship? Try it sometime.

Its not about how hard some one is working, its about being in debt for the rest of your life because of you working hard

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>>673673358

>your right, The government should really pay for those brainless drones food because rich people are two petty to to pay for it. Because low wage workers being dependent on food stamps is not a thing

>http://laborcenter.berkeley.edu/the-high-public-cost-of-low-wages/

Dont know if youre being sarcastic but I hate career welfare queens. All I meant was that the workforce works how it should.

The government isnt obligated to make sure everyone has a meal on their plate. You the individual are.

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>>673673978
>implying i'm wrong

Fuck engineers, they are nothing abut peeons for architects anyway

>>673674040
Yeah, your right. I should be forced to work more then 40 hours a week, just so I can barely put food on the table for the kids that I was told I couldn't abort or put up for adoption. Your right, I want to be living on welfare forever. Your right that this doesn't happen and that its not a problem.

I seriously wish you to live through it at some point, then maybe youll have some compassion.

>>673674190
awe, is some one feeling mentally deficient?

>>673673916
I was homeless at 19 and the girlfriend not much better. She got a few scholarships and I worked my ass off and hustled so we could get a place and get her through college which she did. So yes I have seen someone get a scholarship. It takes hard work and sacrifice. She now works in a fairly high position in hospital and I have my own business

>>673673347
>how motivated you are to learn outside of school
FUCK YOU, YOU RETARD! I was VERY motivated. I went to math competitions and I earned very little money from it, because hey, the retards at my school had to have their free education, so why give me money for my math skills when you have to give retards free gender studies classes?

And I could have had even better results. I was the best in the entire school, but the best in my state because I needed a little more freedom and a little more money. I tried my best. The problem was that most schools were public, and it was very hard for somebody to build a private school, because all the land was taken by the government to build shitty schools for shitty kids.

So, FUCK YOU AND YOU POPULISM! You and your peers are many, but you are all retarded!

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a president doesn't need a strong plan for things that he can't control, such as making laws. all he needs is a vision. i hate it when candidates make promises about lawmaking when they are supposed to be merely enforcing it. the only solid plan bernie needs is foreign and military policy.

His plans are actually well thought out and he has them laid out on his website. Economists endorse him.

>>673674415
Thats very nice anecdotal evidence there

>>673674528
>Economists endorse him
Kek

>>673674459
Here's another one, maybe I'll get lucky and you'll open up another tab and learn something tonight. Billionaires know about business right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2gO4DKVpa8

>>673664445
Actually Bernie's problem is that his ideas only hit on with old people, dopers, and children.

>None of them vote.

>>673674498
>implying the president/executive doesn't write the majority of the budget

>>673674454
I admit fault. I graduated over a decade and a half ago and have never lived in a poorer neighbourhood, so I don't know what it's like either recently or in such a situation. I'm drunk and should learn to shut up on political threads when inebriated.

>>673669199
>America is supposed to be Christian
Except the founding fathers were exactly against religion being involved at all with government.

>>673674600
https://berniesanders.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Wall-St-Letter-1.pdf

ECONOMISTS AND FINANCIAL EXPERTS IN FAVOR OF SEN. SANDERS’
WALL ST. REFORMS
In our view, Sen. Bernie Sanders’ plan for comprehensive financial reform is critical
for avoiding another “too-big-to-fail” financial crisis. The Senator is correct that the
biggest banks must be broken up and that a new 21st Century Glass-Steagall Act,
separating investment from commercial banking, must be enacted.
Wall Street’s largest banks are now far bigger than they were before the crisis, and
they still have every incentive to take excessive risks. No major Wall Street
executive has been indicted for the fraudulent behavior that led up to the 2008
crash, and fines imposed on the banks have been only a fraction of the banks’
potential gains. In addition, the banks and their lobbyists have succeeded in
watering down the Dodd-Frank reform legislation, and the financial institutions that
pose the greatest risk to our economy have still not devised sufficient “living wills”
for winding down their operations in the event of another crisis.
Secretary Hillary Clinton’s more modest proposals do not go far enough. They call
for a bit more oversight and a few new charges on shadow banking activity, but they
leave intact the titanic financial conglomerates that practice most shadow banking.
As a result, her plan does not adequately reduce the serious risks our financial
system poses to the American economy and to individual Americans. Given the size
and political power of Wall Street, her proposals would only invite more dilution
and finagle.
The only way to contain Wall Street’s excesses is with reforms sufficiently bold and
public they can’t be watered down. That’s why we support Senator Sanders’s plans
for busting up the biggest banks and resurrecting a modernized version of GlassSteagall.

>>673673893

>We should make the job market cater to me because I was too dumb and lazy to find a market with jobs

>Making natural selection bend over backwards and empower people unfit for society

Literally the first report I did in college was a 10 page analysis on my career. If you are not willing to invest the effort, you dont deserve a job higher than McDonalds.

Im sure youre baiting but I think the other Bernie supporters in this thread can afford to read this at least.

>>673674600
Signers (Institutional listing for identification purposes only):
1. Robert Reich, University of California Berkeley
2. Robert Hockett, Cornell University
3. James K. Galbraith, University of Texas
4. Dean Baker, Center for Economic and Policy Research
5. Christine Desan, Harvard Law School
6. Jeff Connaughton, Former Chief of Staff, Senator Ted Kaufman
7. William Darity Jr., Duke University
8. Eileen Appelbaum, Center for Economic and Policy Research
9. Brad Miller, Former U.S. Congressman and Senior Fellow, Roosevelt
Institute
10. William K. Black, University of Missouri-Kansas City
11. Lawrence Rufrano, Research, Federal Reserve Board, 2005-2015
12. Darrick Hamilton, New School for Social Research
13. Peter Eaton, University of Missouri-Kansas City
14. Eric Hake, Catawba College
15. Geoff Schneider, Bucknell University
16. Dell Champlin, Oregon State University
17. Antoine Godin, Kingston University, London, UK
18. John P. Watkins, Westminster College
19. Mayo C. Toruño, California State University, San Bernardino
20. Charles K. Wilber, Fellow, Joan B. Kroc Institute for International Peace
Studies, University of Notre Dame
21. Fadhel Kaboub, Denison University
22. Flavia Dantas, Cortland State University
23. Mitchell Green, Binzgar Institute
24. Bruce Collier, Education Management Information Systems
25. Winston H. Griffith, Bucknell University
26. Zdravka Todorova, Wright State University
27. David Barkin, Universidad Autonoma Metropolitana-Xochimilco
28. Rick Wicks, Göteborg, Sverige (Sweden) & Anchorage, Alaska
29. Philip Arestis, University of Cambridge
30. Amitava Krishna Dutt, University of Notre Dame
31. John F. Henry, Levy Economics Institute
32. James G. Devine, Loyola Marymount University

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33. John Davis, Marquette University
34. Gary Mongiovi, St. John’s University
35. Eric Tymoigne, Lewis & Clark College
36. Trevor Roycroft, Ohio University
37. James Sturgeon, University of Missouri-Kansas City
38. Spencer J. Pack, Connecticut College
39. Thomas Kemp, University of Wisconsin - Eau Claire
40. Ronnie Phillips, Colorado State University
41. John Dennis Chasse, SUNY at Brockport
42. Pavlina R. Tcherneva, Bard College
43. Silvio Guaita, Institution, Federal University of Rio de Janeiro (UFRJ)
44. Glen Atkinson, University of Nevada, Reno
45. William Van Lear, Belmont Abbey College
46. James M. Cypher, Universidad Autónoma de Zacatecas
47. Philip Pilkington, Political Economy Research Group, Kingston University
48. Eric Hoyt, PhD candidate, UMass-Amherst
49. Jon D. Wisman, American University
50. James K. Boyce, University of Massachusetts Amherst
51. Hendrik Van den Berg, Professor Emeritus, Universities of Nebraska
52. Thomas E. Lambert, Northern Kentucky University
53. Michael Nuwer, SUNY Potsdam
54. Nikka Lemons, The University of Texas-Arlington
55. Scott T. Fullwiler, Wartburg College
56. Charles M A. Clark, St. John's University
57. John T. Harvey, Texas Christian University
58. Daphne Greenwood, University of Colorado-Colorado Springs
59. Gerald Epstein, University of Massachusetts Amherst
60. Mohammad Moeini-Feizabadi, PhD candidate, University of Massachusetts
61. Rebecca Todd Peters, Elon University
62. Andres F. Cantillo, University of Missouri-Kansas City
63. Michael Meeropol, Professor Emeritus of Economics, Western New England
University
64. Robert H. Scott III, Monmouth University
65. Timothy A Wunder, Department of Economics University of TexasArlington

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66. Mariano Torras, Adelphi University
67. Gennaro Zezza, Levy Economics Institute
68. Wolfram Elsner, University of Bremen
69. Larry Allen, Lamar University
70. John Miller, Wheaton College
71. Chris Tilly, UCLA
72. Sean Flaherty, Franklin and Marshall College
73. Clifford Poirot, Shawnee State University
74. Anita Dancs, Western New England University
75. Calvin Mudzingiri, University of the Free State
76. Roger Even Bove, West Chester University
77. Andrea Armeni, Transform Finance
78. Anwar Shaikh, New School for Social Research
79. Steven Pressman, Colorado State University
80. Frank Pasquale, University of Maryland, Carey School of Law
81. John Weeks, SOAS, University of London
82. Matías Vernengo, Bucknell University
83. Thomas Masterson, Levy Economics Institute
84. Antonio Callari, Franklin and Marshall College
85. Avraham Baranes, Rollins College
86. Janet Spitz, the College of Saint Rose
87. Nancy Folbre, University of Massachusetts Amherst
88. Jennifer Taub, Vermont Law School
89. Irene van Staveren, Erasmus University
90. Yavuz Yaşar, University of Denver
91. Scott McConnell, Eastern Oregon University
92. Don Goldstein, Allegheny College
93. J. Pérez Oya, Retired UN secretariat (Spain)
94. Elaine McCrate, University of Vermont
95. Thomas E. Weisskopf, University of Michigan
96. Jeffrey Zink, Morningside College
97. Scott Jeffrey, Monmouth University
98. Lourdes Benería, Cornell University
99. Frank Thompson, University of Michigan
100. Baban Hasnat, The College at Brockport, State University of New York
101. Ilene Grabel, University of Denver

>>673674764
>implying the republican half doesn't say we are a christian nation left and right

>>673674600
102. Tara Natarajan, Saint Michael's College
103. Leanne Ussher, Queens College, City University of New York
104. Kathleen McAfee, San Francisco State University
105. Victoria Chick, University College London
106. Steve Keen, Kingston University
107. Heidi Mandanis Schooner, The Catholic University of America
108. Louis-Philippe Rochon, Laurentian University
109. Jamee K. Moudud, Professor of Economics, Sarah Lawrence College
110. Timothy A. Canova, Shepard Broad College of Law, Nova Southeastern
University
111. Karol Gil Vasquez, Nichols College
112. Mark Haggerty, University of Maine
113. Luis Brunstein University of California, Riverside
114. Cathleen Whiting, Willamette University
115. William Waller, Hobart and William Smith Colleges
116. Kade Finnoff, University of Massachuettes-Boston
117. Maarten de Kadt, Independent Economist
118. Timothy Koechlin, Vassar College
119. Ceren Soylu, University of Massachusetts-Amherst
120. Dorene Isenberg, University of Redlands
121. Barbara Hopkins, Wright State University
122. Matthew Rice, University of Missouri-Kansas City
123. David Gold, The New School for Social Research
124. Cyrus Bina, University of Minnesota
125. Mark Paul, University of Massachusetts-Amherst
126. Xuan Pham, Rockhurst University
127. Erik Dean, Portland Community College
128. Arthur E. Wilmarth, Jr., George Washington University Law School
129. Rohan Grey, President, Modern Money Network
130. Tamar Diana Wilson, University of Missouri—St. Louis
131. Radhika Balakrishanan, Rutgers University
132. Alla Semenova, SUNY Potsdam
133. Yeva Nersisyan, Franklin and Marshall College
134. Linwood Tauheed, University of Missouri-Kansas City
135. Michael Perelman, California State University, Chico
136. Janet T. Knoedler, Bucknell University
137. David Laibman, Brooklyn College and Graduate School, City University of
New York

>>673674600
138. Ann Pettifor, Director, Policy Research in Macroeconomics, London
139. Steve Schifferes, City University London
140. Al Campbell, University of Utah
141. Faith Stevelman, New York Law School
142. Kathleen C. Engel, Suffolk University Law School
143. Jack Wendland, University of Missouri-Kansas City
144. Ruxandra Pavelchievici, University of Nice Sophia Antipolis
145. Zoe Sherman, Merrimack College
146. Donald St. Clair, CFP, Financial Planning Assoc. of Northern California
147. Carolyn McClanahan, CFP, Life Planning Partners, Inc.
148. Thomas Ferguson, Senior Fellow, Roosevelt Institute
149. Saule T. Omarova, Cornell University
150. Josh Ryan-Collins, City University, London
151. June Zaccone, Hofstra University
152. Alex Binder, Franklin & Marshall College
153. Albena Azmanova, University of Kent, Brussels School of International
Studies
154. Hans G. Ehrbar, University of Utah
155. Devin T. Rafferty, St. Peter’s University
156. Reynold F. Nesiba, Augustana University
157. David Zalewski, Providence College
158. Claudia Chaufan, University of California-San Francisco
159. L. Randall Wray, Levy Economics Institute and Bard College
160. Richard B. Wagner, JD, CFP, WorthLiving LLC
161. Joseph Persky, University of Illinois-Chicago
162. Julie Matthaei, Wellesley College
163. Peter Spiegler, University of Massachuetts-Amherst
164. James Ronald Stanfield, Colorado State University
165. William D. Pitney, CFP, Director of Advocacy, FPA of Silicon Valley
166. Ora R. Citron, CFP, Oak Tree Wealth Management
167. Susan Webber, Former Associate at Goldman, Sachs & Co.
168. Richard D. Wolff, Democracy at Work and New School for Social Research
169. Mu-JeongKho, University College London
170. Kevin Furey, Chemeketa Community College

The problem with sanders and clinton are things like going on univision and promising not to deport

>>673674995
>Chemeketa Community College
None of these people are worth anything.

What I don't understand is the whole endgame of politics. Let's say the US, or China, or Eussia's platform extends to envelop the whole world's. What then? What is the point of control over a rock floating through space that does not have ether power to change anything other than the microcosm of its own self? The universe will remain the same, life elsewhere will exist as it will. What is the point of national politics if not to join forces as one planet and excel beyond into the rest of the galaxy,to the rest of the universe. Trump, Sanders,Clinton. .. they all focus on values of the modern man, the living man... when we will be alive for less than a fraction of a moment. It is not ourselves we need to govern if humanity is to have a future: it is our great grandchildren and their descendents, the future beyond our limited vision. I can see no value to the hedonistic perspective of modern politics

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>>673674995


you're on a bootleg japanese cartoon board preaching the name of a guy who can't possibly win the democratic nomination to a bunch of autistic man children. rethink your life.

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>>673674818

Notice how almost none of these Economists actually have a real job.

>>673664445
Retards.

Amount of money saved with single payer healthcare: 20 trillion dollars. (20,000,000,000,000)

Amount of money lost from single payer healthcare: 11 trillion dollars. (11,000,000,000,000)

20,000,000,000,000—>You(taxpayer)—>11,000,000,000,000

And this is one of the most basic facts about what it would do.

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>>673675078
>cherry picking
Go through that list, Harvard, cornell, Notre dame and other major schools are represented. There's also Private firms and think tanks represented.

>>673664445
If liberals want to win this cycle, they'd vote Bernie. Hillary is actually loosing to every current Republican challenger, but it's being buried by the press which is pro corporatist. The press would have loved Bush vs Clinton, but Trump screwed their plans. Now we need Bernie on the Democrat side to make sure whoever wins, the globalist interest loose.

>>673675111
Global government? Seems risky

>>673675342
Yeah, that guy from Harvard certainly doesn't make 200k a year. You want me to pull the Harvard faculty pay report for the last year too?

>>673675354
>major schools
>Notre dame
pls stop

>>673668980
i say good on those 1 %. at least i can live vicariously through their exploits rather than watch the whole world suffer

>>673675464
pay does not equal real job

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>>673669643
>https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/

For those who wont click it.

Honestly, these all sound very reasonable and doable. But the wealthy oligarchs in this country will not stand for any of it.

>>673674311

I work 30 hours a week at $10 an hour in food service. My wife and I live in a nice apartment. We decided to wait to have kids because were not idiots. I am also doing college part time.

Ive been working since I was 14. I am now 28. I know what wageslaving is. I dont have compassion for people knowingly making bad choices and bitching about it.

Also my parents are immigrants. They came here with nothing. Another reason why I dont care for people receiving social benefits.

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>>673675349

One less Bernie voter.

>>673675428
Risky how so? Without a global government there is nothing to gain. Imagine your body if your limbs, or organs were controlled by separate entities instead of a brain to connect them? You would accomplish nothing - so too shall the world accomplish nothing if it does not act as a singular unit. We will have no interplanetary species, no galactic government - learn nothing more about the cosmos we inhabit. We began our life as single cells exploring this world - and we must still explore further.

>>673675340

Thats pretty low actually. At the time of my paper stem was 25%+ depending on the career.

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>>673674954
>Implying the bipartisan political structure isn't complete dogshit
Both parties are wrong because they don't even understand that the basis of this country is the Constitution.

Leftist fags want to ban scary black "assault weapons", feel like illegal immigrants should just be allowed into the country, and want the government to pay for their everyone's shit.
Rightist fags wants to force some stupid religious shit, continue the failing War on Drugs, or ban abortions.

The only right choice is not siding with either party.

>>673675992
>EU HAS NO PROBLEMS

>GREECE DONT EXIST

>>673676085
You are not looking at the big picture. The EU and Greece are single cells in the organism that is the Earth - they will die off. What of humanity - what of our race?

>>673672023

Prison food isn't free- prisoners have jobs in prison and make less than a dollar an hour, most of which goes to room and board, leaving them with pennies an hour

This is what rich Republicans want- no minimum wage, so living costs more than one could ever make, with most or all of one's wages being returned to one's rich overlord in fees for room and board, that one may never repay one's debt and forever remain a slave

>>673675992
>Without a global government there is nothing to gain. Imagine your body if your limbs, or organs were controlled by separate entities instead of a brain to connect them?

You want to be controlled?

>>673676209
The universe collapses at some point

>>673676083
72 months of private sector job growth, you Trumpy twunt

Here's a quick fact for you. When Obama was elected the national deficit was just over 10 trillion dollars. In 8 years it's risen to over 19trillion. This is what lib policies have brought on you all. It's just over 28,000 in debt per person in the country, that's you. Bernie is much more aggressive in his plans at signing you onto debt for his plans. Care to wadger how much he will cost you?

>>673668038
dude, he's in the senate. He's proposed a senate bill. its public record, look it up.

>>673676209
>The EU and Greece are single cells in the organism that is the Earth - they will die off.

The poor are single cells in the organism that is the Earth - they will die off.

Unless liberal idiots keep encouraging them to breed.

>>673673365

And when you adjust the numbers on that graph for inflation, the bottom 4 have lost money

>>673676294

You are an idiot.

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Bernie Sanders for the win, because if everything else fails he's honest and I dig that crazy accent of his.

>>673674311
>M-muh appeal to emotion
Bernie cucks everyone. No one is forcing you to work a shit job. No one forced you to have kids. Grow the fuck up, and take some responsibility for your actions.

>>673674166

Nice pic

One problem

Workers throughout the country no longer agree to that wage. They demand more. But assholes won't pay more because they know people working min wage ft can't afford to go without a job.

So we make a law. Now assholes have no choice but to agree.

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We all know how to fix this country's problems.

pic related

>>673676956

Work is a privilege, not an entitlement

The only asshole here is you

>>673675111

Nice trips

Pretty sure the endgame is supposed to be peace and prosperity for all- at least, idealistically

>>673675919

>less

fewer

>>673676967
Not even socialism

>>673676956
Canadafag here. I'll say that every time our minimum wadge has gone up all the goods go up in accordance. Basically drives up inflation and makes our money worth shit. I do not like the overwhelming gov up here. You can't take a shit here without filling out gov forms and dealing with them which is so frustrating it turns a lot of people off of trying to start businesses or building houses or almost everything. Vote Bernie and you'll see what I'm talking about

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>>673667729
Democrats: Buying votes since LBJ. "We'll have those niggers voting for us (democract) for the next 100 years."

>vote for Bernie he'll give you stuff
>the white man will pay for it all
> his great, great, great, great, great grandfather may ( or may not) have enslaved your great, great, great, great, great grandfather.

>>673677456
Hes confused with communism. Most common mistake

>>673664445

People like you always say it can't work. Meanwhile in Denmark....

>>673677247

Work is requisite- therefore, everything in your post is wrong

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>>673674995
>>673674961
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>>673674818

Try Harder Faggot

>>673677757
Mass rape by immigrants...

>>673664445
>The problem with Sanders it's not that his ideas are bad.
Yes they are. Socialism is an inherently broken theory.

>>673677661
Simply supply and demand. The cost of goods rises with labor. Socialist don't mention this because they have low information votes to buy.

>is against Citizen's united to keep money out of politics
>gladly will promise extra entitlements to those who vote for him.

The fuck?

>>673677757
>People like you always say it can't work. Meanwhile in Denmark....
it's not working.

>>673675111

Good point. If only we as a species could come together to simply ensure our survival by collectively venturing into the void instead of killing ourselves on this rock.

I honestly think the only way that will happen though is if we have some sort of collective enemy/evil that forces us into space

>>673677661

I'm actually Canadian and you're not quite right- costs have gone up with the price of oil which is causing inflation and we've increased minimum wage to counter those effects

>>673677747
They're the same thing. A pile of shit by any other name will still sink.

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>>673677825

How old are you may I ask?

>>673677757
It's not working. The new "migrant" variable is gonna make things very interesting.

>>673672805
You are priveleged garbage. The only thing your parents did wrong was keeping you after the saline solution didn't take

>>673678175
Socialism is Communism for people who can't commit.

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Free everything! It'll be great.

why are there so many trumpfags worried about bernie sanders anyway

he literally has no chance of winning. he's trailing absurdly far behind the hilldog and there's no reason to think that'll change soon

hillary on the other hand is a real threat

>>673678258

34 and go kill yourself

>>673678395
And no one ever will. Socicomiefascism is a breeding ground for tyrants.

Healthcare
Bernie has said he wants to build upon obamacare so everyone has access to it and it has wider coverage
>iirc he was one member in the committee for obamacare

College
Making it free for, HECS, so you pay after your course of study (once youre in a stable job, think weekly non-invasive payments) this is to encourage more people whom wish to further their education without fear of getting into half a mill debt.


Idk ive only watched a few of his debates and then searched up on it.

I think its funny that the ideas Bernies supporting are ideas that have been proven to work in many other countries, But you American folk are constantly told that youre the best, so you fail to see the benefits.
Home of the free and brave my ass.

>>673678025
Ya man. Big government perpetuates bigger government. You should see how fucked it is here. My buddy runs cattle on government land he leases and has to go to monthly meeting with about 30 other guys who are all in "ministries" and they have pissing matches about how to run everything. He has to spend about 20 hrs a month to deal with it. That's just one small slice of an obscure thing. I have a mining licence and am trying to claim some area to mine gold here and it's completely retarted how many forms and licences and permits I have to get. Took about 4 visits to the gov offices to just to get into their online gov website and my licence to be able to even start thinking about mining

>>673678169
I'm talking about a few years ago here. I'm in B.C. And I found that when they bumped here it basically transferred to a price hike in goods and services over a few month time

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>>673678367
>You are priveleged garbage.
Yesssss! I am very privileged, as opposed to the people who want free college to study shit. Those poor underfinanced philosophers...

>>673677944
except its not.

>>673679564

I imagine the timing might make it look that way- when oil becomes more valuable, gasoline becomes more expensive, transporting food becomes more expensive, food becomes more expensive- if we don't adjust the minimum wage, more and more people won't be able to afford food, less food gets sold than is being produced;

extrapolate this across all goods and services industries simultaneously and we have a mass recession, possibly a depression- minimum wage must increase with inflation

>>673680115
Show me a thriving socialist country not getting cucked by their gov or immigrants that has no nationalist party on the rise or classic liberal party gaining popularity

>>673666207
This. We are all told in school that we should go to college and nothing else is acceptable. People hate big business but they seem to fail to realize that colleges are big business and high schools have incentives to get you to attend them. If everyone gets to go to school guess what? Everyone can't be high paid elites. It will mean changing the entire education system. Instead of being able to pay to get what degree you want you will likely be made to test and told what you will go to school for. Most of these positions will be blue collar because blue collar jobs are needed much more than white collar ones. That means new facilities will be established to support all this blue collar training. And i see the end result as the individual having less freedom in their life than ever before. How will all the SJW's feel when they get told they only tested high enough for assembly line technician?

>>673664445
True equality is a good thing. If the government needs to step in to accomplish this, so be it. I'd rather see a revolution though, tbh. No one that has much more than they need acquired it honestly.

>>673680284
Ya you have a point but I did notice a pretty direct jump also. The business I was working for at the time basically adjusted their prices to compensate for the jump and it seemed to be not just us

>>673680939
So Steve jobs inventing Apple doesn't entitle him for some reward for literally changing the world with his product? As an example of many...

>>673664445
>He wants to make college free

that doesnt deserve any argument

school must be free thats all, how you can you be that stupid murrifags ?

If you think educating the country without having them go massively in debt is a bad idea I have to wonder if you value education at all.

Similarly, giving people health coverage is far more useful than our shitty current system where everything's costs too much and people are also going in debt for that.

The very idea that we decided as a country to go "Hmm you know what should be about profits before their actual purpose? education and healthcare! " proves how stupid of a country we are.

>>673681653
If it's not run for profit it's not functioning correctly or it's not at its max capacity. Simple fact.

>>673681653
Canadafag here. Free healthcare is a joke. Our system is collapsing and whenever I have to go in it takes so long I end up leaving before I ever get to see a doctor. Expect insane waits or to bleed out before seeing a doctor. I would gladly pay to be treated if I had the option here as I would actually see a doctor. It's not what your imagining please believe me

>>673682314
Canfaf again. We get taxed at 42% if you make 65,000 a year. If that was way lower and you paid for private insurance you would probably walk away with better service and more money on your pocket

>>673682314
isnt it just canada?

>>673680409
danemark

>>673676797
I agree with this. This is coming from a guy who has one legitimate child and has an illegitimate he will never see. I made my mistakes and struggle on my own for it. Oh well. This is my fucking fault. The issue on this is we want to blame someone because we can't cope with the fact that its our mistake. So we are willing to throw blame elsewhere. But seriouslt , it needs to FUCKING stop. How can you call yourself a well rounded and intellectual human being if you can't even face your own shit? Let's all stop being fucking yards. I'll continue to try and make a better life for myself with hard work that I deserve to work for my own mistakes. Because I actually will own up to the fact that I got a girl pregnant when I really shouldn't have, even if she refused abortion.

>>673681824
>slam poet

>>673682314

With Bernie's healthcare plan, cant you still pay for private insurance if you want to? Plenty of companies will thrive on providing a premium service for those who are willing to pay. The point is to give everybody an option, not force them into only one choice.

>>673675771
tax on wall street? that will give you 0$, why? they tried it in my country, guess what, they moved their base of operations. Speculators don't take kindly to taxes.

Some corporations need to loopholes to survive, if you close the loopholes they will either move outside the usa or go bankrupt.

Renewable energy.... Dude, in my country we are forced to pay 10% of our paycheck to keep the windmills and solar panels working because they need a lot of maintenance and a coal power plants of equal power output running all the time at 100% because green energy's output fluctuates meaning if you didn't have backup power shortages would happen all the time and a lot of stuff would break. So green energie is not green because you got a coal plant behind it. My vote goes to thorium reactors, but they are to expensive to build.

Everything has its pro's and con's, but saders plans have no decent research backing them up, so he could destroy the entire american economy with his taxes.

>>673684195
which country?

>>673684195
Belgium.
The country with retarded politicians

>>673684431
meant for
>>673684290

The problem is he's a Jew. Imagine telling Thomas Jefferson that the American people were willing to sell the Presidency to a Jew so they don't have to work.

>>673683473
Liberal people's party?

>>673684431
BEL20 ?

>>673684796
i dont know. i just know that Danemark is a welfare state.

>>673683863
Yeah, yeah, sure. Right now, my health insurance costs exactly 1000$ per year.

Let's say under Sanders, I would pay 800$ in taxes. But the medical system would be shit, like the Canadafag described.

And you come along and say I should pay additionally 1000$ for a private insurance. So, with Bernie Sanders' tax included, I would pay 1800$ for my health.

But wait, there's more! Since the government would take the market, some people wouldn't be able to pay for private anyway. That makes the private companies actually jack up their prices only for the true rich, because there would be less private companies able to compete with the govt. This makes the cost of private insurance go from1000$ to 1200$. So, the final price goes u from 1800 to 2000.

But wait, there's more! Remember when I said Sanders's will make you pay 800? I was optimistic. Maybe he will make you pay 1000, same as the old-no-Sanders private insurance. So, 1000(Sanders) + 1200(private)=2200$

So, I'll pay between 2000 and 2200 for the same shit I get now with 1000.

But wait, there's more! Best case scenario, Sanders is really smart, smarter than the free market. He makes the healthcare good. And hes a socialist, so he makes us pay. Due to inefficiencies, his lowest price will be 1200$. So, indeed, it will be good health for 1200$, which is still 200$ more.

IF, and only IF Sanders proves to be smart.

And also, it will be mandatory. Right now, I pay 1000 and I pay it only if I want to. Under Sanders, I WILL have to pay 1200.

>>673685114
i am an eurocuck and i pay 0 EUR. r8

GOD CAN YOU AMERIFUCKS SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT YOUR CUCK GOVERNMENT

JESUS

>>673685375
You don't pay 0, unless you don't work. Your taxes go to insurance, idiot.

Romania is in Europe, right, I heard they pay like 20-30% of their income in health insurance. And something tells me I shouldn't go treated in Romania.

>>673684926
>BEL20
Yes those are the 20 best companies of my country and stands for how well the country is doing.

with
>tax on wall street? that will give you 0$, why? they tried it in my country, guess what, they moved their base of operations. Speculators don't take kindly to taxes.

I meant that the taxes they had speculated to get from it, where not even 1/10 they got.

Like they have put a extra tax on liquor last year that was supposed to create 15 million € yet it only created 600.000€ because, everyone bought his liquor in france. I know you can't compare a country that is smaller than a state of yours, but it still gives you an indication of what can happen.

>>673664445
>keep obamacare exactly as it is
>state pays college tuition for everyone
Those are not vague ideas, OP. They are very specific.

>>673681345
Changing the world is the reward.

>>673685375
You pay, you just never see a bill.

Here in the US I get to pay and choose what level oif care I want. When I was young, I didn't pay anything because I wasn't a weak sick fag. I banked the money and now I pay for premium care because I'm older. I like choosing what I want when I want it! But I wouldn't expect a eurocuck fag to understand that.

>>673685509
dont you still have taxes in US?

>>673685741
Oh my god, I'm having a conversation with a moron. Yes, we do have taxes, not as high as your though. See, it's about quantity, retard. We have taxes, you have taxes, ours are lower.

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>>673673523
>worked hard
>earned it

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>>673678538
+1

>>673669272
for someone who only cares about money.
stronger more educated population = new business and new innovative ideas hitting the markets = new good paying jobs = local and national economy is a boomin bosss, plus investing in education is important, I dont want a bunch of dumbfucks running out country like donald, I'ma do great, its gonna be great, its beautiful.

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>>673685560
where did they move their base of operation to?

>>673685896
i dont really feel the effect of us having relative higher taxes compared to US.

>>673677846
Dang, they were both pretty ugly

>>673686515
>implying 100% of people going to college=more educated population
No, retard. Some people are smart, and deserve college, deserve scholarships.

The rest don't have the potential to be educated at all because they're retards. In fact, you demotivate the smart ones by equating them with mediocre faggots.

The bottom line is simple, the smart should go to school. If you're not smart, you'd better be rich.

You need to get it inside your head that not all people are equally smart. They're just not. No matter how you many times you say it, they're just not.

>new ideas
Money equals ideas. But not all ideas are good. Most are shit. Would you buy everything any idiot who got free education sells you? Be careful where you spend your money, son.

>>673686515
i ve heard people in US cant afford to get a trade and are forced to slave away in some menial labor.

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>>673677846
The fuck? Bill Clinton looked like Lady Elaine Fairchilde from mr Rodgers neighborhood. She used to give me nightmares

>>673686625
the speculators themselves now go to the surrounding countries, with bank accounts in those countries. The government is trying to still force the taxes on them, but a poll said that 3 out of 10 speculators will move to to on of the surrounding countries. The speculation taks is that if you buy and sell stocks within a time period of 6 months you need to pay taxes on the profit you made, but if you sold shares a month before with a loss and with the new shares you sold you made break even the taxes will make you get a loss, because the taxes don't take losses in account only profit on individual stocks. Of course if you sell the stocks with a timeframe longer than 6 months there is no tax.
It's just one year old the new tax, but 3 out of 10 speculators have plans to move according to a recent poll.

>>673675555
Really, nobody's checking this guy's quads now?

>>673687266
its not handing out free degrees you dense mother fucker, its the oppurtunity, if they're just plain fucking retarded and dumb then hey man get a degree in the fucking arts or stick with a minimum wage job that supports the standard living, the rest of the people though, who arent a bunch of fucking morons will work to get there degrees. you telling me you think because we make college free somehow some fucking downy is going to get a masters in engineering??

>>673687422
then its irrelevant where they move to
>Has proposed a financial transaction tax which will reduce risky and unproductive high-speed trading and other forms of Wall Street speculation; proceeds would be used to provide debt-free public college education.

>>673687774
That's exactly the point, faggot. True curriculums have never had a problem with politics or the economy. No matter how poor you are, fi you have the brains to be an engineer, the school will find a way for you. Physicists, engineers, programmers already don't pay.

But retards go to psychology instead of computer science, because they say computer science is too hard. And they don't want to pay for psychology either. How many artists or psychologists or philosophers do you really need? And there are waaaaay more philosophy and psychology and art students than engineering. And they want their school to be free too.

>>673687774
Oh, and by the way, you can see the stupid people's rhetoric in highschools. They always push for less math and less science, less and less and less math. But, they do want public schooling. Fuck that shit! If you want public schooling to learn math and science fine. But if you want it just to learn English and religion, so that you can say you're educated too like the guy who knows math, then we have a problem, moron.

>>673688229
I'm currently studying computer programming for an associates, I'm 24, I had to wait 7 years to get financial aid, im not studying psychology or any arts. I had issues in highschool due to family circumstances and some other bullshit in my life so I didnt get the best of grades, pretty average at graduation, I couldnt get any scholarships.

>>673688215
i guess you're right. But point is you will not get much money from the tax

>>673665754
gotcha m8

>>673688430
theres such a thing as general education in college, if they wish to get an associates or higher they will have to learn math to a certain point.

>>673688866
I'm sorry to hear that and that's why I have always said we need to expand scholarship for social cases. As I said, I am sorry.

So, do you think we should also give those stupid people scholarships because you deserve one? If anything, you should join our "darkside" and demand that only you get the scholarship. It's hard to explain, but you'll figure it out.

>>673689169
>theres such a thing as general education in college,
Yeah, preciseley because no education, not even general, exists in highschool anymore. You know what, fuck you, trying to rationalize why we don't teach math in highschool because it would be too "stressful" to the children. FUCK YOU! And then you complain that they shouldn't remain uneducated and you advocate free college. FUCK YOU!

>>673689416
you have a lot of anger and hate, I just wish for the opportunity to be available to everyone. they dont like it theres minimum wage. I wish we threw this much of a fit on laws that allow tax loopholes for the corporations, or maybe holding wallstreet accountable for the market crash of 2008 or the war in iraq. no, we get mad and frustrated over providing education to those who want it/need it and cant afford it. America.

>>673689232
or you could just give them who ever they need and reform from there so not to exclude such people like that anon. what are you being so cheep for? i dont get it.

>>673677247
>Work is a privilege, not an entitlement
does that go for food and housing as well? if no, then how do i get food and housing without work?

>>673690018
The opportunity has never and will never be available to everybody.

If you want free highschool education, a free computer and a cute lady, and two brats of your own, we can provide that for you.

But if you want free college, a free Steam account, a lady with big tits, and 5 children, then you might have to work for it.

The technological revolution nowadays has improved our lives, but we can't all have cutting edge stuff all the time.

80 years ago highschool was not for everybody, partly because some people are too stupid even for highschool, partly because there wasn't enough money to go around. And even then, people didn't complain as much.

I am not at all unreasonable or non-idealistic. I wish for a better world too. But the truth is we have to wait a while. We have to work meantime.

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>>673664445
>The problem with Sanders it's not that his ideas are bad. It's that they are very poorly planned.
Nope.
Pretty sure they are bad too.

>>673690243
From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs

>>673690811
can you answer in something other than riddles, please?

>>673690180
>what are you being so cheep for?
Because your plan costs 75 billion. I think we could trim it down to just 10.
And because if you offer them this shit, then they will also want jobs. Entitlement is an addiction. After you give them free philosophy degrees, even when their stupid, instead of saying tank you, they say "how can a PHILOSOPHER like me be unemployed?" or "why does a PHILOSOPHER like me have to go work as a waiter? I mean I DO have a PHILOSOPHY degree". How about philosophers pay for their school, and when I need a philosopher I'll call them.

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Seems pretty straight forward to me

>>673664445
>He wants to make college free. OK, but why? Where's the benefit?
"Benefit" is a typical capitalist obsession. some service like "Education" or "Health" don't have to make money, they only need to be good and universal.

>>673664445
>just some superficial shit,
Always these desperate smart asses defending the current situation, but run out of arguments...

Where's the benefit for this country when 80% of the people get poorer and the top get richer and richer? Poor people spend all their income, or even more. Rich people spend only 5% of their income. If we continue like this spendings will go down and our economy will die. Sanders wants to prevent that. Don't you think keeping the economy alive is a benefit?

>>673690885
where did bernie said that he will give free housing and food? GTFO

>>673691539
dude can you just answer my question, i didnt say anything about sanders. i just dont see how you can say "work is a privilege" without also saying "and since you need to work for food and housing, so are they" if you want to stay coherent. if you dont care about making sense, then you can obviously say anything.

>>673691142
OK... So, why don't you talk to your teacher or doctor? I mean, you should use your arguments to convince THEM to give you free stuff because, in your opinion they should be free.

Go, now, convince your doctor and your teacher to be socialists today! Let the stupid misinformed capitalists be with their silly money.

>>673691694
I live in Europe. School is priceless and obligatory unless you're ages 16+.
After that governement help poor studient for essential needed if necessary.
Doctor is priceles if you have a long terme hillness and if you are poor. Doctors are paid by a system defined with our social security. Some Doctor can demand more money but if it is the case they are not conventioned with social security and have to inform their patient.

>>673664445
>He wants to make college free. OK, but why? Where's the benefit?
Free college.

>>673692331
dont bother. for americans the profits are more important then his fellow man. they treat each other like animals. such a shithole.

>>673691142
this faggot right here proved to me the error of bernie.
you're autism and entitlement are sickening.
so where will you stand when it's your tim to pay in your fair share?
or when our already fleeting industries go look for better pastures thanks to heavy taxation.

>>673692331
>School is priceless and obligatory unless you're ages 16+.
You are so retarded, you literally don't understand school is not free, and you pay it with your taxes. That's why we are richer than you, we don't pay such high taxes.

And, your schools are also shitty, and that why Americans invented the phone, computer, and internet you're using as we speak. While you didn't really invent that much.

>Doctor is priceles
Again, it's not "priceless", it's not free. You pay a fuckshitton of taxes. Especially the rich people, but also the middle-class.

And your doctors are not that good. If they were, people from all over the world would go get treatment in Europe. They don't go to Europe because you have shit doctors. Your good doctors come here, to America, because they are paid more.

People come here to get treatment, but it's not free here, so they go to Israel or China. They don't go to Europe.

>>673692625
If this is such a shit hole, you should never come here. You can stay in your wonderful country, or go to the middle-east or Africa or China or wherever you think it's heaven.

And you should advertise your country to Mexicans also. We have too many illegal Mexicans. Just tell them it's a shit hole, and get them to come to your wonderful country.

>>673680881
So you are only allowed to become white collared if you can afford it? Your vision of America is pretty much the same as the cast system in India.

>>673664445

Education being 'free' has obvious benefits.

Think, ffs. Why are countries with better education systems richer? Think.

The higher the standard of education the greater the GDP. The increase in GDP then increases educational standards. It's a positive cycle where the house always wins.

Higher standards of education lead to higher levels of taxable income through higher incomes further down the individuals lifespan.

Everyone wins.

It's retarded NOT to have college education 'free'.