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>>673441376

>muh fukushima conspiracies

>>673441376
But I do.

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>>673441376
I think the entire world should be on nuclear power. Specifically breeder reactors. The common LWR reactors are fucking disasters waiting to happen. They were never meant to be scaled up the way they were.

The thing is, it would eventually run out completely. If everything relied on nuclear power and then there was none left, that would fuck us over. Unless there was renewable stuff that was better than nuclear.

>>673441376
I do but uneducated idiots around the world see something like Fukashima happen and they get worried. It took a massive earth quake that tilted the axis of earth, and a tidal wave to do what it did. And that plant was built in 1971 and in 2008 they were warned safety equipment was outdated.

If we created stable fusion we wouldn't need raw materials

>>673442746
breeder reactors could run for 1000 years on the "depleted" nuclear waste we've stock piled in the last 50 years. In that time we'd have the freedom to develop power sources like fusion. Just like the combustion engine was corrupted by gasoline as opposed to running on ethanol so the nuclear power industry was corrupted by money hungry assholes peddling lwr's.

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>>673441376
But I do support nuclear power. It's the most efficient and most reliable source of power, the only problem being nuclear waste.
Right now Germany is reverting back to coal, because Mama Merkel thought it a good idea to shut down all nuclear power plants and "renewable energies" are inefficient as fuck and nobody wants a giant power line destroying the landscape. But guess what: brown coal mining destroys landscapes way worse. And burning brown coal isn't exactly environmentally friendly either.

I'm all for it as long, we aren't fucking stupid like the japanese a build it near a god damn fault line

>>673441376
I am totally for it, also i hope something horrible happens so I could become the hulk

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>>673441376
>implying my wife isn't a nuclear engineer

>>673441376
And what will you do with the waste? Idiot.

Also, nigger

>>673443613
>I'm all for it as long, we aren't fucking stupid like the japanese a build it near a god damn fault line


No, germans are more dump, they build one on potential earthquake areas

>>673444109
put it with the rest of the waste that's already under most of the midwest

>>673441376
That's an awesome pic.

Other than that, nuclear reactors are a bad idea.

Way too expensive to build right, and even more expensive when something goes wrong.

The trained monkeys operating these are in no way better than the trained monkeys in any other industry.

>>673443572
Ethonal!? Damn you're a special kind of stupid.

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>>673444261
>fault lines
>potential earthquake area

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>>673441376
because the middle east and is still a thing and security relies on laws and budgeting approved by republicans - so no thanks. Sun is getting hotter every day, at this point solar is more cost effective and less exploitable by extremists.

>>673444109
People put it underground because releasing it into the atmosphere would be too harmful. They could probably just dump in on some inhospitable planet where the atmosphere is already fucked, like Venus. But then, you have to have launches every single fucking day.

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>>673442746
Let's take thorium as an example. A single kilogram of thorium in a liquid salt reactor would yield the same energy as 13,000 barrels of oil.

A single mine can produce 5,000 tons of thorium per year.

See pic related. We will not have to worry about running out of this stuff for a long, long, long, LONG time.

>>673442264
This man has the right idea. LWRs are only suitable for submarines, if that.

>>673444261
You mean Frenchies and Belgians.

>>673444308
yeah, they're trained monkeys which is why I understand you'll never be getting surgery

>>673444505
Dumb surgeons tend to lose their jobs quickly,
dumb maintenance guys lose thier reactors eventually...

>>673444398
Also unreliable as fuck, and that rules it out as a viable primary source of energy. Same with wind

>>673444683
>said the guy shitposting on 4chan

>>673443575
Again. Research fast breeder reactor. The fucking man who designed the lwr soon after developed the breeder reactor and told every nuclear energy pusher that it was the real deal. That the lwr was never meant to power more than a submarine or ship. It was never safe to scale up. The breeder reactor refules spent fuel rods as it produces excess fuel as it operates. We could be living for centuries recycling the nuclear waste we've already produced. Pair that with faster and faster battery charging tech we could be living in a virtually costless energy environment. Pair that w the advances in battery life and charging speeds I.e Tesla cars and the future is now! Only problem is that these reactors cost a lot more to build so we're all fucked.

>>673444683
Take new york as an example, as population rises, so will attrition and crime, meaning more people attempting to break into and sabotage reactors in an era where legislation and maintenance of civil services is exponentially degrading.

>>673444109
You are a retard. Waste products from a thorium fission cycle have half lives around the range of 200,000 years. They are far safer than what we have now.

>>673444874
You're mom's shit.


Happy now?

>>673444398
Thorium being used in reactors would (sort of) fix that, because it's really fucking difficult to make nuclear weapons from leftover thorium. Face it, wankers, thorium is God.

>>673444308
We an build better reactors and attacking light water reactors is a strawman.

>>673444988
Somehow all breeder reactors went bust.

Probably it ain't that simple.

>>673444900
yeah and I just got an email about how microsoft invented a product that will let me power my entire house from the phone line for free! It's fucking amazing!

>>673441376
I support nuclear power in theory in praxis a lot of the current reactors are disasters waiting to happen. and the current hate for nuclear power isnt helping all it does is keep new modern reactors from being build and discourages development of safer ones. instead people try to keep the old shit running for as long as possible and cover up mistakes in fear of the shitstorm.

I actually do but try thinking out side the box and search up liquid thorium reactors and grow up

>>673444398
Solar...

Fucking solar.

You are a special kind of retard my friend. What happens when the sun goes down for the day?

Oh by the way, all the so-called "green" energy sources are hugely invasive and take up acres upon acres of land. Eat your hearts out environmentalists, you'd be destroying what you're trying to protect.

>>673444392
>ethonal
>stupid
>ethonal........

The first internal combustion engine was designed to run on ETHANOL but standard oil wasn't having it so John Rockefeller used his massive wealth to push through the prohibition act....you fucking dim witted scum

>>673444937
>equating crime with terrorism

m'kay because the guy who pulls a stocking over his face and robs the quickie mart is just as likely to drive his C4 laden rental van into the reactor core... I mean same thing, right?

>>673441376
Its costly
It takes time to build
It has a HUGE riSK to our health the environment
It is NOT re-newable
It is VERY limited in this planet and what would we do once all of our plants run dry?
It takes HUNDREDS of years BEFORE nuclear waste is considered safe

>>673441376
Because the chinks are being contracted to build mine

>>673444988
I would support this idea. But likely itll be met with the same warm welcome as oil less engines were

http://www.gizmag.com/go/3185/ (engines that run on a layer of air instead of oil - patent was bought out and copyrighted, then sealed away.) Nothing will change until its generated every penny of profit it possibly can before it threatens a large portion of humanity, IE - slavery.

>>673441376
How about the waste?
Has /b/'s 100,000 proven geniuses got a flat solution for that one?

>>673445165
Are you going to do some research or are you going to shitpost?

Here's an hours long video on thorium, prepare to be BTFO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9M__yYbsZ4

>>673445390
The sun will come back the other day.

Also there's plenty of storage technologies available.

>>673445390
You make enough batteries to hold a charge until dawn and use backup UV lights to generate a weaker charge during sunless hours. Youre acting like it can only run on a couple panels and loses power when theres no sun - I dont think you understand how solar works. Plus you seem very angry over nothing, so likely youre a kid whose parents wont listen to his ideas.

>>673444937
Good thing liquid salt reactors don't melt down.

>>673445390
No you're the idiot here.

>What happens when the sun goes down

LMAO I fucking hope you're trolling. Ever heard of energy storage?

Invasive? Ever heard of unused roof space ideal for solar panels?

You're literally the idiot of the week for me, congrats.

>>673445150
China is building a couple right fucking now.

The reasons why we don't have them here are complicated, but it isn't because of technical problems

>>673445420
Clearly you have not read more than three replies to the OP.

>>673444109
recycle it and use it as fuel again. possibly develope the technology to transmutate it to short lived nuclear waste in specialised reactors. we should do that anyway we already have a bunch of it.

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>>673444470
Nice numbers there /b/ro

And a FBR can't melt down. And there is no coolant waste. The LWR was designed to power sea vessels that had access to a constant flow of salinated water.

>>673445405
>implying in cities with a population of over 1 million you dont constantly see extremist level crimes over personal beliefs. That must be why you never hear about stores and entire office buildings being burned down or raided in places like detroit

>>673444392
You should feel embarrassed

>>673444398
nah actually right now solar is pretty damn fucked because of the low oil price. i was provitable for a while when oil prices were high and might be again in a while but not right now. and the sun isnt really getting hotter.

>>673446008
I like how they don't show the percentage of Pu for the Thorium reactor.

They're basically breeding Pu.

>>673445869
>>673445780
>>673445740
>energy storage
There is not enough nickel, cadmium or lithium on earth to hold even what a small fraction of the world would need overnight. Nuclear is superior in every way. You can talk about renewability but it's irrelevant when we have so much fuel, and when your alternatives are so environmentally destructive.

im not against it but i dont want those fucking eastern european and shitskin countries to have nuclear power plants
i live near a power plant from an eastern eu country, and when i was 10 or so i was home alone, and there were breaking news saying the nuclear plant exploded and a toxic radioactive cloud is on the way to the city i live in
i shat myself, and thats why i dont want that

>>673446241
Anyone who uses oil has Liberals on their ass wherever they go.

>>673445150
They went bust because of initial start up costs. You have to amortize them over many decades to make them economically viable for profit. Just like cin gas plants which literally run on garbage fueled plasma furnaces.

>>673445420
Can you read?

Nuclear reactors look so dope. Like some sci fi shit

>>673441376
actually its the oil industry that's stopping us. if you think a bunch of tree hugging hippies have the power to stop technological achievement you've been fooled by the oil companies.
sheeple

>>673445654
Thorium waste is safe so its irrelevant

>>673446008
LFTRs still have decades of develpment ahead of them though.

>>673446353
You can also compress air, or use iron-sulfur batteries.

Lithium isn't exactly rare either.

>>673446241
Like most industries, cost would decrease as it became a standard and it reached consumer level production. If you want something, you invest in it - excuses mean nothing.

>>673445420
Other than the money, which considering the situation we find ourselves in globally shouldn't even be an issue, you're wrong in all counts. Do some research and check your extra chromosome at the door please

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>>673446534
I've always thought so, too. Half the reason I think nuclear energy is dank.

>>673441376
Nice bait. Most "liberals" are science leaning and totally for thorium.

Only ones against it are simply misinformed.

>>673441376
Because uranium is finite. It's the same problem as oil, just on a slightly longer timeline. Solar is where it's at.

>>673446353
id only agree with this if we ran on thorium. which will happen as soon we all decide to go solar. Honestly, neither will happen.

>>673446651
Are they using thorium though

>>673445654
TL:Dr breeder reactor. Read a book

>>673446653
We could have them now if well-intentioned but poorly-educated environmentalists hadn't hijacked the path forward.

It's time to get back on track.

>>673446353
You can actually match your demand in most countries by having a compound system using solar in Wind, because apparently wind forces seem to increase in most agglomerations at night for some reason.

Taking a class on environmentally integrated buildings.

>>673446828
except a ludicrous amount of liberals vote against nuclear power for fucking no reason other than "muh chernobyl"

Fact, nuclear reactors are safer than coal in every way and produce more power

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>>673446872
Yet another person who hasn't read the replies on the thread. It's called "thorium".

>>673446783
I am not really excusing anything. in fact solar has been provitable on some scale already, hell my parents have solar panels on their roof. all I am saying is that right now its looking pretty bad for solar power due to the low oil price, if it continues for much longer it can really harm the industry.

>>673446872
Eventually the sun will burn up, what then?

people online like us are the semi-intelligent fucks who will either work their way to the middle class or are already there (maybe a few of us a bit higher)

in about 20 years the idea of LFTR will be much more known and people will actually start backing it (us at that time, bc we will be the major taxpayer force)

possibly, humanitarian efforts will be the ones to spark the actual use of this fine technology

the implications of this technology actually being used are enormous

I have, for over a year now, OVER and OVER... said that the way syria/lebanon/iraq whatever mudslimey nation (that usually wants to HERP DERP make an LWR reactor so they can "secretly" get a hold of U-238 and blow israel up) can actually get nuclear powered is if they use LFTR tech.
>not possible to turn thorium into weapons grade uranium

Building LFTR's in mudslimey places (that can afford electricity -- the ones that are asking for LWR's right now) could improve israeli relationships with them. Think about Israeli scientists/advisers aiding the building process.

Such an act would show how well LFTR's can bring peace and prosperity to the world

It sounds kind of ridiculous, but ye. I'm selling LFTR as a possible solution to the Middle East.

>>673446872
You realize you can reuse fuel right? you can react uranium 239, make a fuck ton of 238 then enrich it again right?

or better yet use thorium then reuse the products for another cycle of fission and then use the fuel to fuel another cycle of fusion

>>673445420
Name an actually better alternative.

>>673445420
>I know nothing about it and I want everyone to know that I don't

>>673447216
That isn't for another 5 billion years or something. A while before that, Earth would have become inhospitable anyway. We probably would have accidentaly created a black hole and killed ourselves by then, anyway.

>>673441376
Of course if it's done safely it could be fine. (Other than the fine it causes essentially permanent irreparable damage to the earth...) The thing is it's kind of like communism. It fails because it ignores that fact that people are fucking idiots and if something can go wrong, it will.

B-but what would exxon do if or reliability on oil would reduce? That's such a stupid idea op, think about exxon for fucks sake, you selfish cunt!

>>673447185
Im not worried, the price drop was to cripple saudi financial power - its already shot up 20 cents over the week - that trend will continue.

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>>673441376
well OP, i used to love the movie gremlins. its still ok but not the best movie I've ever seen. anyway. i met this girl who also loves the movie gremlins. she said that it reminds her of her childhood. and for some reason the mogwai really turn her on. i ask how thats possible. the mogwai have absolutely no sexual features. no rounded ass, no raised breasts, no genetalia of any type. could it possibly be the fact that they transform into those slimy green gremlins? what is it? she refused tell me. i spent many nights afterwards watching gremlins and hoping maybe to get turned on a little bit. one night i got half a chub but I've since realized that was most likely just the air conditioner. eventually i couldnt take the mystery anymore. i MUST know what turns her on about the movie gremlins, if for no other reason than i want to be able to fuck a mogwai in the comfort of my own home. why should she be able to get so turned on by gremlins but I'm not even allowed to experience it? i corner her. she backs up. scared. my slow approach has her shaking and asking, "logan, whats gotten into u?" i tell her this is the end of the line. she must tell me why gremlins makes her pussy drip. here and now is the time or she will die by my average sized cock. I can tell that she's finally about to tell me, she's finally about to break. she takes a deep breath and dramatic music begins to play from the lunch room loud speakers across from mrs. shabotski's 5th grade class ( this was the song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tgwFpMA61c ) above the dulcid tones she tells me the thing i swore never to repeat. but i will tell it to you hear bros. i will tell it to you from my death bed. i will tell you the sexiest thing I've ever heard. that girl lets the real life gizmo live in her pussy. shit gets wild after midnight.

tl:dr: that bitch lets a mogwai live inside her pussy. rent free. and i can barely afford a cheese burger.

>>673447548
So you admit solar will run out and it isn't renewable.

You know how to promote nuclear energy? Use more fossil fuels. Sooner or later it'll run out or become too expensive, and we'll have to look into better alternatives.

>>673446660
>iron sulfur batteries
Then you need more of them. Same problem.
>lithium isn't rare
That's the point. You need a lot of it to store energy, and there still isn't enough.

>>673446937
>if we ran on thorium
That's my premise too.

>>673447088
>multiple sources
Taking up even MORE land that could be put to better use or left as wilderness.

Not to mention you then have to run power lines by people's houses, which everyone hates.

Instead of coming up with convoluted solutions involving five different power sources you could just build a reactor.

>>673441376
it's dangerous

>>673447862
coal is far more dangerous

>>673446872
uranium isnt the only material in the game. you can make more fuel out of old nuclear waste, depleted uranium, thorium etc. uranium running out is a meme that only works if no one would ever use anything else but natural uranium 235 wich is just 0.7% of the uranium that could be used not to mention nuclear waste and thorium.

>>673447772
We could always mine Jupiter for deuterium.

That should last us some 1e12 years.

>>673446944
They should be, we have the capability. Attacking light water reactors is a strawman, because it doesn't have to be that way.

>>673447772
I wasn't defending solar. I was just saying that it was kind of irrelevant how the Sun will implode eventually, because that would kill off all humans anyway.

>>673447278
Or the lower class with laptops and free wifi that believe in their ideologies so fiercely we've made ourselves independent of state support and prove you don't need government welfare and standards to enjoy life. My only expenses are 50$ a month for lot fees for my shed thats been turned in to a small house. Keep pretending the middle class is where the intelligent are - you guys don't even come in at a close second compared to those that can live in any environment without aid.

>>673447704
As demand increases for electric vehicles, we start to see some people pushing for hydrogen powered vehicles. Why? Guess who is positioned to take advantage of the creation and distribution of H2. The oil industry. But it seem like electric vehicles are winning.

>>673446872
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>>673446653
Yes but there could be FBR that use uranium and use "spent" fuel rods right now. Without even touching an ounce of thorium we could power the next 100 years with our stock piled waste.

What happens to the future generations who run out of nuclear power? Or has to deal with a nuclear meltdown

>>673446395
Note that scientists are overwhelmingly liberal.

I'm a liberal, but I support focusing on alternative fuels, including nuclear.

>>673448448
READ THE PREVIOUS REPLIES FOR FUCK'S SAKE. pls

>>673447561
Hence why you use a breeder reaction where a meltdown physically cannot happen

>>673448493
I think you mean, paid by liberals and bullied by liberals. There's plenty of scientists who'd want to experiment all kinds of shit but can't because they could not get money for it or would get labeled.

>>673448203
I'm a femanon so I know I should not involve myself in men's affairs; business and politics. I just hope you men take the poor oil companies feelings in to consideration before making any serious decisions.

...Because it boils water.

>>673447985
why the fuck would you mine jupiter for deuterium? deuterium is common enough in water on earth if anything you would mine helium 3. and jupiter is the last place to mine it from, largest gravity well and deadly radiation from the particles trapped in its extremly strong magnetic field. saturn or even neptune and uranus are better choices, and low amounts of He3 can be found on the moon (extremly low though). while the boom to space industry would be amazing more practical is breedy tritium out of lithium and fusing it with deuterium from water.

Faggots in this thread don't understand how the grid is powered. Thorium reactors used for base load.Then backup is provided by green power like solar, wind, etc. Not one greenhouse gas is emitted and 0 threat of a meltdown and0 chance of weapons grade nuclear material being made.

>>673448587
What I am going to do when previous replies run out though?

>>673448448
>I haven't read the thread and don't understand nuclear energy: the post

>>673448175
that sounds cool
you should get a wife and procreate
and prove to us your lineage is worth continuing

>>673448849
What is that even meant to mean?

>>673448662
No. I mean that the vast majority of scientists are personally politically liberal. Sorry that bothers you.

>>673448744
Talking about a time after the sun grilled the earth.

There won't be any water left on earth.

>>673448759
>still wants to use solar, wind, etc when reactors would produce enough energy for a thousand lifetimes

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Ok for the last fucking time. With fast breeder reactors using the tech we have today thus minute we could power every city in every corner of the world for a hundred fucking years with OUR STOCKPILED NUCLEAR WASTE. Truth..

>>673449145
P.S: He3 is pretty useless. We stand a better chance to achieve D2 fusion...

>>673446045
>never hear about stores and entire office buildings being burned down or raided

I have never heard such a story anywhere, or was that your point?

This is total bull shit...

Nuclear Power isn't even power.
It is a nuclear boiler, it could be a poo boiler with gas for the boil... Cram heads with the mumbo jumbo... Get a job.

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>>673448977
>having kids is what gives people status in my eyes

So youre telling me every nascar fan and single black mom is someone with a respectable lineage? No wonder you can't figure anything out, your logic is shit.

>>673441376
Fuck yeah!
LFTR tech
China's doing it
why aren't you?

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>>673446395
>implying I don't idle my 6.0L diesel van in the compact car spot at Whole Foods

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>>673444835

>Nuclear
>Unreliable

You might as well call the law of physics unreliable.

>>673449109
Do show us some numbers. Or does that bother you?

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>>673445780
backup UV light
nice trolling m8

>>673449187
Nuclear plants are very expensive to operate. Sometimes there isn't the demand for power so you shut down the plant. Think in places like Arizona during summertime. All the AC's kicking on and off fuck with the grid.So they have seasonal power plants with much lower operating costs. Like I said. Fags in this thread don't understand powering the grid.

>>673449420
Please leave this post. You're clearly a twelve year old who thinks he's an edgelord because he's on /b/.

>>673445780
underrated

>>673448759
Do you even technology man? In the next decade we'll be looking at near 0 loss power transmission. You'll be able to send juice to a fucking mud hut in the heart of darkness without costing a joule of extra energy. Developing deceivingly high carbon footprint "green" energy is a waste of money and most ironically, energy.

>>673449428
the level of miscommunication here is palpable

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>>673444835
>live in Seattle
>it has been cloudy for a two weeks
>go on 4chan
>some faggot is calling nucclear power more unreliable than solar

>>673449428
I'm not gay or anything (not op either) but I think I love you.