He doesnt hesitate to take money from union lobbyists though.

Shame on anyone who even votes on the democrat side. gb2 reddit

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>>672368706
>Unions are bad
Haha yeah you tell em

>>672368927
get a job before you form opinions on adult topics

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>>672368890
>shilling this hard
hildawg pls go

>>672369207
maybe you can elaborate a fact-based stance which we can debate instead of relying on insults

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>>672368488
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hillary+clinton+park+in+handicapped+spot

>>672369427
You deny Sanders taking money from union lobbyists? Donations are public information. Stats do not lie.

>>672369641
I did not deny it, but I think there's a big difference between taking money from unions (which ARE the Sanders constituency) and taking money from corporate special interest groups. I prefer a candidate in the pockets of hardworking Americans rather than banks and big pharma

>>672370030
Well it is hard to actually have a firm set of stats on union corruption. Alot of the bosses, and other union higher ups have protection and insurance that makes tracking down corruption very difficult. While unions played a very big role in the past, they have recently become bloated and greedy. They muscle people into the union and then they get a cut of their check as dues. This is why they want sanders as potus. Higher wages for the working man, equals more money for the union bosses. This then equates into less money the working man has.

>>672370030
>taking money from unions (which ARE the Sanders constituency)
Let's clear up your point here. The union leadership donates money and supports democratic type candidates, but the union workers themselves are for a large majority, republican. We make money that puts us squarely in the cross hairs of sanders tax plan and we would never vote for that. This is true-at least for the the few unions I've been in.

>>672370624
You offer a lot of allegations while at once acknowledging you don't know how extensive the problem actually is. So I don't see how all of this conjecture overshadows Sanders unparalleled progress toward getting money out of politics

>>672371621
>money out of politics
>still takes donations
Huehuehue

>>672372089
>and avg donation of $27 from millions of individual Americans is not qualitatively different from $50,000/plate fundraisers from billionaires to SuperPACs

You're surely not this dense? You're pretending, right?

>>672372296
Here are some union stats
Funny how 92% have failed federal audits
Probably because they are buying politicians
https://www.unionfacts.com/cuf/vitals

>>672368488
I don't think you know how that meme works

>>672372563
>All these allegations
>These reflect on Bernie Sanders or his policies somehow

This is a red herring. What other objections do you take with Sanders? Genuinely interested

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>>672373001
>Socialism has failed
>Just look at Sweden, Norway, Denmark, UK, Canada ...

Sanders is a career politican. He's a Washington insider and hasn't held a non-politcal job since 1972.

I'm not a democrat, so I could care less. But if you think Sanders stands a chance against Hi llary in this primary, then you are either daft, stupid, or severely uninformed of how the primary process works. Hillary has already won.

>>672372911
>These reflect on Bernie Sanders or his policies somehow

Sanders is taking their money when he says he wants money out of politics and the guy is showing how union's are corrupt so....

>>672372911
The fact that he is a liar (also great diversion from unions btw) he said middle class tax wouldnt raise, but when called out about it he admitted they would http://time.com/4183856/bernie-sanders-middle-class-taxes-health-care/ know i understand that hurr it will be the same as health insurance, but now you dont have to pay that bill. But why should i be forced to have health insurance? Seriously? Also i take issue with the fact he wants to worry about higher ed instead of primary education. Why not make that better? That's the main prob in america

>>672368488
so you love trump then, memboy?

>>672373211
>dont have to spend more on the military
>ton of natural resource revenue

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>>672373274
From the moment Bernie Sanders said he wants to raise taxes on the rich 1% (of which a LARGE number are democrats) he has never stood a chance. The entire democratic political elite would have to start hating money.

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As far as I know Sanders is the only candidate with a plan to save the American economy before it breaks down like the Argentinian one did.

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So you socialists honestly still think socialism is a good idea?

>>672373457
>why should i be forced to have health insurance?
The same reason you're forced to have car insurance or a government with a military.... That's how a nation works

>>672373784
>with a plan to save the American economy
And hows that?

>>672373874
>The same reason you're forced to have car insurance or a government with a military.... That's how a nation works
You people are fucked in the head

>>672373827
>2015
>being this stupid

>>672373666
hello satan

>>672373784
How would raising the federal minimum wage to $15, an amount that mpst small businesses cant afford, help the economy?

>>672373874
What? No. I dont need it. Why should i be forced to have it. Health coverage is not the same as a military. The aca forces me to buy insurance, which i dont need, then comrade sanders wants to take a portion of my paycheck to pay for other people. I dont need health coverage why am i forced to pay it. And car insurance is a totally different story.

>>672373994
It's 2016, friendo. Stupid lefties can't even get the year right!

>>672373827
Bernie Sanders isn't a socialist.
I haven't heard him ever say, "the government should own the oil companies" or anything like that.
I would actually vote for him if he did

>>672373900
He wants to make the economy hinge less on a few very large banks by forcing them to split up.

>>672373211
>Just look at Greece, Venezuela, Cuba....

>>672374310
Wow. Earth shattering. America is saved.

>>672373900
>regulate destructive speculation on Wall Street
>invest $1T in infrastructure, creating job growth
>reforming tax loopholes
>reigning in overseas military action

Maybe quit being willfully stupid and read an article

>>672374310
lmao
The president can't make decisions like that.

And even if he could sign an executiove order that broke apart banks, do you know how badly that would destabilize the economy, spook investors? It would cause chaos, devalue the USD, and create a depression.

>>672374300
Ach aye! The no true scotsman fallacy. "He's not a REAL socialist!" I love you lefties, always trotting that old fallacy out. Lemme guess, Hitler and Stalin weren't """REAL""" socialists either?

>>672373827
Trump wants to enforce a nationalist economic model, same as two of the fascists you have posted here. Frankly I do not really see your point.

Or wait, Do you believe that socialist economics is the same as state planned collectivism?

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>>672374680
>chaos, devaluation of the dollar, and depression are not the results of our CURRENT economic infrastructure
>it ain't broke; don't fix it.

It's clearly broke.

Here's some porn for your good reply though.

>>672374535
Eh, better than not even trying anything.

>>672374680
I figured. America is fucked, the election roster is just a small part of the large fuckery that is America.

>>672374676
>wall speculation
Ok. I agree this needs to be regulated, but to say the taxes made off this will pay for higher ed is retarded. Once it is taxed, it won't be used as much, thus the revenue generated wont be enough, look at italy.
>infrastructure
How will this be done? The only way i can think is increase the gas tax. This is hurt the poor

>>672374676
>reigning in overseas military action
His senate record says otherwise. He's voted yes on every military spending bill since 2010 and he also supports us funding the Israeli military

>regulate destructive speculation on Wall Street
That's already been done. The bubble already burst. No more negative interest rates.

>invest $1T in infrastructure, creating job growth
>reforming tax loopholes
Congress responsibility. Infrastructure of what?

His tax plan that was just released shows an increase in taxes for the middle class.

>>672375055
The problem with Italy is that half of the population doesn't pay taxes. Same but worse goes for Greece.

>>672374808
>Do you believe that socialist economics is the same as state planned collectivism?
Well, yes! That is what socialism is! Government control over the economy. "Public" ownership of the means of production (either direct ownership or just controlling those who own the means of production).

>>672375281
Your point?

>>672373211
You forgot post new deal america.
Or can we count that as a failure since the 'socialist' parts of america are quickly falling apart, social security, interstate system, public colleges, etc.

>>672375349
Pfff, American socialism is far more right wing than real socialism.

>>672375382
>post new deal
What is ww2 for 500?
http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/how-fdrs-new-deal-harmed-millions-poor-people

>>672373694
I agree with this.

I believe only the richest should be allowed access to healthcare that will cure them of ailments and prolong their lives. Middle class income people should only be allowed treatment that will postpone or alleiviate pain and death. The poorest people should be denied all healthcare and left to rot in ditched. Only then will we reach a utopian society.

The beauty of course is that after all poor people die, we will reevaluate what it means to be poor and start weeding out the lower middle classes the same way.

Soon all socioeconomic issues will be resolved as the earths population will have been reduced to a more managable level and it will purely be inhabited by a hale and hearty elite.

We dont need poor people to do shit for us, provided we get the middle classes to build us robots to grow our food for us before we purge that echelon of society as well.

>>672374398
It's almost like you can't merely cherry pick examples to draw a conclusion about vastly complicated socioeconomic/political intricacies!

>>672368488
Go back to your nap Bernie

>>672375969
Are you high because that's not how it works.

>>672369207
And if you're getting the fuck abused out of you at that job, working fourteen hour days for seven days a week, you can thank those unions you ungrateful libertarian shitbag.

>>672376489
not*

>>672375969
>implying you are a rothschild
>implying you wont get weeded out
>implying we dont need genetic diversity
>implying the top echelon will breed top echelon children
>implying there are no np-hard and undecidable problems and that robotics can take care of everything

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>>672375969
Oh come now, no need to be so dramatic. Yes, some natural selection to weed the weak and parasites from society would be most beneficial to all. It wouldn't work exactly as you fear. If some person who is poor but of value to others got sick, some private charity or crowd funding could pay for their care. On the other hand, if some criminal degenerate needed care, he'd be denied from everyone and left to die, as he should. It would be wonderfully efficient and moral.

>>672376074
>cherry pick
Is this why whenever Bernie compares his ideologies to other socialist states he 'merely picks' the most successful?
fuck out of here

>>672375349
So you believe that some of the wealthiest nations in europe are communist states in the tight grips of a stalinist autocracy and not just socialist democratic free market economies?

>>672368488
OP Hillary is eating sanders alive, what the fuck are you talking about?

>>672376284
Its exactly how it works. Read Swift's A Modest Proposal then come back to me

>>672371615
I forget you are all each millionaires. So you will lose most of your money. I'll try to get a good blue collar job, it seems like a fast way to being a millionaire according to you.

>>672376613
Aaaand another fool who believes the US can become Sweden overnight.

Get fucked.

>>672373694
“Government is instituted to protect property of every sort; as well that which lies in the various rights of individuals, as that which the term particularly expresses. This being the end of government, that alone is a just government which impartially secures to every man whatever is his own.” – James Madison, Essay on Property, 1792

Corporate personhood is bullshit.

>>672376541
Well obviously ill be fine. Just because i support a party or policy that will directly harm me, it doesnt mean it will actually harm me. It will be the blacks and the poor and the immigrants and people i dont like like them pot smoking hippies who will suffer. Why would i support something that would harm me? Im a hard working father. When i get rich from a life time of hard work at the peach cannery i will be awarded with proper healthcare as is my paid for right.

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>>672376613
>So you believe that some of the wealthiest nations in europe are communist states in the tight grips of a stalinist autocracy and not just socialist democratic free market economies?

First, socialism is the complete opposite of a free market. Educate yourself:
https://mises.org/

Second, those nations are one depression away from becoming totalitarian nightmares, it's the nature of leftism to turn on the people as soon as things get rough.

>>672368488
>Instead he'll take it from the average citizen!

My parents looked up how much they would get taxed under Bernie, my dad is a land surveyor (~90k) and my mom is a teacher (~60k), both of them with decades of experience and near the top of their pay schedule. They would be paying an ADDITIONAL 44,000 a year!

That's two-fucking-thousand dollars per month! On top of what they already pay! And for what? So they can get a fraction of it back in benefits that they may or may not even want or need?

I hate Hillary and Trump as much as anyone else, but Bernie isn't much better.

>>672377011
I was just asking why you feel that socialism equates to stalinism or fascism?

>>672376711
>counting super delegates when their votes aren't even final yet
Beeeh.

>>672377322
I don't see how this refute the point that health care is NOT a right?

>>672377722
Because fascism and communism are forms of socialism? Did you flunk out of school or something? Just because you don't like what a socialist group does, it doesn't make them not socialists.

>>672376554
>Yes, some natural selection to weed the weak and parasites from society would be most beneficial to all.
>It wouldn't work exactly as you fear.
>appeal to nature

It doesn't work that way at all, you nazi fuck. Evolution doesn't favor positive or noble traits, only adaptive traits. In a social free-for-all, maybe soulless degenerate monsters could gather the most wealth and power for themselves and produce the most offspring (and we could call it capitalism!) And we aren't even living in the free state of nature, and biological evolution occurs at much longer time scales, and building a social ethics based on some parody of evolution is committing the naturalistic fallacy, and on and on. Try learning from people who aren't mindless animals.

It will be pretty funny if we'll have new cold war, but now you'll be commies, lol. I don't know what was in the head of the one who started calling the rudest and bloodiest ideology in the world "progressive", but I like this guy. Blood for the Blood God, Skulls for the Skull Throne. Marks! Marks! Marks!

>>672377778
Healthcare in and of itself is not. But capitalism and the idea of democracy are near mutual exclusion.

"Government is instituted to protect property of every sort"

Insurance providers and pharma companies raising prices to increase profits is a threat to one's personal property, for example.

Profit is fine. Profit at the expense of one's fellow man is not.

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Yes I fucking want that

>>672376554
I agree with you, we need to weed out the parasites.

But what happens if rich people who disregard the justice system but can pay to stay out of jail fall sick? I mean, they may be tax dodging parasites but they can still afford health care and because wealth is more important than other human attributes, we still have to ensure their survival, right?

>>672378384
A cold war doesn't seem to be stirring up.

Unlike both a religious war and great economic collapse, which both seem imminent.

>>672368488
https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=Career&cid=n00000528

Kbye

>>672378230
>Evolution doesn't favor positive or noble traits, only adaptive traits.
Well yes, of course. I didn't imply otherwise. Stupidity and parasitism are nonadaptive traits in humans, along with other traits the poor and degenerate share. The only reason they flourish nowadays is that government and liberals feed and care for those filth.

>biological evolution occurs at much longer time scales
Partially true, but you forget of selective breeding. That works far faster than nature on its own. Look at dogs! Then of course there's the fact that we will have technology to engineer superior people soon enough.

Might I recommend reading up on eugenics?

>>672378465
>Insurance providers and pharma companies raising prices to increase profits is a threat to one's personal property, for example.

wat? Are you retarded? How is that a threat to one's property? They are controlling how much to charge for THEIR property, it has no effect on anyone else's property.

>Profit is fine. Profit at the expense of one's fellow man is not.
Yes yes, the leftist trope about how eeeevil profit is. Go to North Korea, cuck.

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>>672368488
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/ivanka-trump-opens-converting-orthodox-judaism/story?id=29244637

>Ivanka Trump, Donald Trump's daughter converted to Orthodox Judaism for her Jewish husband
>Trump's grandchildren are born Jews
>The Trump family is now a Jewish family
>themoreyouknow.gif

>>672377587
free market served america so well you know sacrifice mexicans and niggers in the hope your mongoloid god will build a wall

>>672377587
>First, socialism is the complete opposite of a free market. Educate yourself:
https://mises.org/

Never seen something so idiotically incorrect asserted so forcefully.

>https://mises.org/
>Hurr durr, let me take one think-tank's word as gospel so I don't have to acknowledge other equally-valid contributors' takes on these issues

>Second, those nations are one depression away from becoming totalitarian nightmares, it's the nature of leftism to turn on the people as soon as things get rough.
This is so childish I'm not even going to respond to it.

>>672378676
If they can pay for a service, they should receive the service. If you don't like it, too bad. Plus your insinuation that the rich are parasites is most laughable.

>>672373784
False, Obama fixed the economy. It's all good now, right???

>>672378987
Parasitism is quite clearly an adaptive trait if it increases the possibility of producing offspring which it apparently does.

>>672379330
>>Hurr durr, let me take one think-tank's word as gospel so I don't have to acknowledge other equally-valid contributors' takes on these issues
Are you honestly implying I read some Marxist "think" tank's work? Are you implying they're EQUALS?? I'd rather speak with a ISIS member, they're more rational.

>>672379430
Riiiigggggggghhht?

America is fucked so many ways to sunday it isn't even funny. All the way from education right up to politics.

>>672374300
He has come out many times and said he is a democratic socialist, which is a fancy made up term for socialist.

>>672379452
Only when the government and liberals are feeding and supporting said parasites. I say we starve them and let them die off.

>>672378987
>Stupidity and parasitism are nonadaptive traits in humans

No, you're exactly implying that adaptive traits must be positive in some moral sense. You can't say "evolution will not necessarily favor moral traits" in one sentence and say "the end product of evolution is necessarily a more moral race of humans" in the very next one. You cannot use the very assumption you claim not to be making. Your worldview is childish and absolutely filled with inconsistencies.

>Might I recommend reading up on eugenics?

Is that a joke? You think an idea that has been fatally criticized and laughed at for a century requires further consideration?

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if dubs, Hillary is nominee

>>672379802
Why is this a liberal thing and not a socialist thing?

>>672379750
Not getting sarcasm is a sign of dementia new friend.

>>672377934
I thought we were discussing socialism in terms of economics rather than politics. But no i havent flunked out of school yet, im only 12. I am just curious as to why the original picture, depicting three dictators imposing a nationalist economy (in the case of Mussolini and Hitler similar to one Trump proposes as The Trumpmeister himself is disdainful of the free market) should be used as a warning for a liberal democracy wanting to run its economy on more social lines.

Are people so delusional to think that america is an autocracy and the president some sort of supreme leader?

>>672380349
When will America legalise Euthanasia like in the Netherlands?
Sigh.

>>672379985
>No, you're exactly implying that adaptive traits must be positive in some moral sense. You can't say "evolution will not necessarily favor moral traits" in one sentence and say "the end product of evolution is necessarily a more moral race of humans" in the very next one. You cannot use the very assumption you claim not to be making.
Let me explain further then. Parasitism is anti-survival in a social darwinist society as there will be no hosts for these parasites to feed off of. No government or liberals to provide them with food and resources, no one stupid enough to weaken themselves on behalf of others... They'd die out, and that trait is thus proven to be maladaptive.

>You think an idea that has been fatally criticized and laughed at for a century requires further consideration?
It's absolutely fine and workable, it's just that the Nazis tainted it with their failures. How does selective breeding only work in every species other than people?

>>672378743
Officials in Russia say it have already started after we invaded Crimea and everyone in the world shat bricks and started their reaction, so prepare your nukes.

>>672380344
The overlap between socialists and liberals is quite extreme, they're almost the same group

>>672380780
But Putin is our good old friend trading us good old oil.

>>672373827
are you implying that the Nazis weren't wildly successful with their new socialist government?

>>672380365
Trump is pro free market, and Sanders would make himself a dictator. Educate yourself.

>>672380835
That's quite strange now isn't it? I always thought it would be liberal to support less taxes since it means more monetary freedom.

btw, is it true that you don't learn how to make deductive proves during your math classes at school? I've already read it, but I can't believe.

>>672380988
Partially, but only because of their homogeneous population and strong work ethic. Socialists nowadays have zero work ethic, they expect everything for free with zero work.

>>672373827
>implying Hitler was socialist.
can you even History faggot?

>>672381157
The meaning of liberal has changed over time.

>>672381157
Since when are liberals pro-freedom?

>>672381236
>National Socialists
Dear god... are you that stupid?

>>672379414
Sorry, you misunderstood. I am in complete agreement. I am not saying that all rich people are parasites. But in the same way that maybe 1 in 1000 poor people is not a druggy scum, maybe 1 in 1000 rich people might be a tax evader.

>>672381315
Liberal comes from the root word of Liberty. This is the classical definition.

>>672381571
Liberal =/= Liberty

>>672368488
Sanders is total shit tier like Clinton though,
He went out of his way to drop independent running to play the two party game and then pretends he's an up and coming politician in Congress even though he's been doing dirty handshakes for 20 years now in Congress.

The reality is the only right candidate is Trump, but guess what he's still shit, just the kind of shit that will wake America the fuck up because we're about the elect a president that started off a roast joke in 2007.

>>672381519
Oh, well then some people would evade being weeded out. It's not 100% perfect.

>>672381188
Depends on your state and the income of your parents, as far as I know.

>>672381696
I did not say that people who call tthemselves liberal advocate liberty. But liberal does come from the same root as liberty and libertarian.

>>672381774
>implying America will ever change for the better
Oh loveable you.

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>>672377587
top fucking kek on that pic

How can anyone still be a stumping for Bernie? It's over. He was chosen as a rival by team Hillary. The fix was and still is in.

FFS, she may get indicted and Sanders still won't have a chance.

>>672380974
Glad to hear it, now I can be sure that when commies will USA - North-Atlantic neo-GULAG won't spread further than your continent. The only future problem left is Western-European-Refugee-Islamic-State, fortunately we have Poland, Belorussia and Ukraine as a buffer zone.

>>672382154
I know, right? People -still- think Marx wasn't an delusional monster!

>>672381028
Ah but you are wrong. Trump is not pro free market

http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11135756/donald-trump-nationalism

http://capitalismmagazine.com/2016/01/donald-trumps-nationalism-free-market-capitalism/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trumps-contempt-for-the-free-market/2015/10/21/2f61d87c-7815-11e5-bc80-9091021aeb69_story.html

http://hausrules.us/if-you-think-trump-is-a-free-market-conservative-take-a-look-at-these-comments


I could go on but its my beddy bye time mister really clever politics man

I hope we can play some more tomorrow after class

VOTE HILLARY YOU FUCKING MISOGYNIST TRAITORS

>>672382519
Meh, he's still more free market than all the other candidates, lesser evil and all that.

>>672368488
Just a reminder that this guy couldn't hold down a steady full time job until he was 40 blaming "the man" the whole time and now you want him running our country.

>>672382348
Marks was a nombleman who lived and worked for money of a capitalist Engels, his knowledge about life outside his house and his noble friends was nearly as my knowledge about Zululand tribes. I wouldn't allow such man to tell me how should I live.

>>672382870
He activly advocates against the free market and wishes to propose a planned nationalist economy.

Are you developmentally challenged?

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>>672382870
>Claims Trump is pro free market.
>Gets proven wrong.
>He's st-still a little bit f-free market.

Kek! The average Amerilard here.

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TL;DR amerifats are divided in 3 groups:
- Berniefags: pseudo intellectual fucktards who think they have a minimum idea of how basic public spending works. Their argument is based upon the belief that the US can be Scandinavia just by voting 1 guy. They think they Know everything about social democracy in Europe but they never opened a single book about it. The same idiots of "we are the 99%".

-Trumptards: The scum of earth. The concentrated essence of what being an ignorant retard is. Fill their mouths with bullshit that never happened. The only difference with Berniefags is that berniefags will only fuck the US.

- Normies: Average dumb people voting Hillary/Cruz.

What to do? Move to Canada/Australia/Singapore.

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>>672382324
Ah, don't worry. We will survive the refugees, even if it is a slow, tiring and dumb battle.

>>672382674
She can eat her own cunt and fuck off.

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>>672383593
He's still not a god damned socialist!

>>672383628
Anyone forgetting congress exists shouldn't be allowed to vote.

>>672383628
Canada is busy taking it up the ass from feminism just like scandinavia.

>>672383628
Singapore is clean but strict laws, don't expect to smoke pot ever again. Need a work visa that requires 10 years experience or bachelor's degree in your field. Must be able to find work in your field and maintain it until residential status is complete.

Canada great pot laws, pretty lax about shit, job market roughly the same as the states. Very lax immigration laws to Americans.

Australia don't give two shits, they have censorship laws that are absolute apeshit about video games though and have garbage pot they mix with tobacco to stretch because of expensive and bullshit quality, job market is the same as singapore if you are moving from america.

Also everyone that votes for Trump is sick of the government that's why we are electing a roast joke.
All in all you are literally better off sticking in the states it's getting better not worse in any situation archaic laws are changing now at least. In reality Obama isn't nearly the worst president right now and the candidates after him won't be any better. If anything Hillary may sell out the US more then her husband did to China and Bernie is so socialist that he'll gridlock congress with all his crazy demands and force another shut down. People thought obamacare was an oh shit situation imagine when Bernie gets his shit slapped. Trump is the lobbyist he buys people he isn't bought, but that makes him all the same dangerous.

Every other candidate doesn't mean shit, look at Cruz he's a fucking ignorant shit to the internet.

>>672377778

Why isn't food a right? Except for the fact that other people have to work to grow it for you, make it for you, and ship it to you.

Having a right of free speech, religion, to a fair trial, to keep your property is one thing. All protections of your freedoms from being trampled by a government. But a right to food, healthcare, or a house all require others to be forced to labor to provide you with your right. Either directly forced, like in communism, or money must be taken from others to in turn let you buy what you have a right to, as in modern socialism.

But if you are alone in a jungle, good luck with your right to food or healthcare. But alone in a jungle you would still have your right to free speech, religion, right to self-defense and right to personal property.

>>672383628
Move Russia - you can use opressive speech or run your business here, also we have free education and some free medicine, and low taxes, cheap natural food, no mad sjw laws and high level of gender equality in paper - in reality everyone can choose his way of living. And you won't have such troubles with elections - because you know that the next president will be Putin. The only trouble - it's better not to protest against Putin in public, if you'll write something like "Putin is a dicatator, I haven't voted for him" - the FSB will knok your door before you send this messOH SHI--

>>672384290
Didn't Mao out Hitler Stalin with his cultural revolution that continues today?

>>672384651
Nobody in the US should be allowed to vote. The damn thing should have remained British. We would have 2 nice Canadas then instead of a country in the verge of the abyss and threatening to drag the rest of the world into it.

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>>672384290
>Posts a meme image.
There are very different kinds of socialism.
>Democratic Socialism
>Libertarian Socialism
>Marxist Socialism
>Communal Socialism
>Nationalist Socialism
But you wouldn't know that. Inbreeding and the American education system has left you a defunct shell of a human being.

>>672385491
>Libertarian socialism

Please, enlighten us on how the fuck this works?

>>672385300
Nobodies vote in the US counts already, it's just a suggestion the US presidency is an oligarchy not a democracy. The laws are democratic the president is not. The president ultimately is elected by the electoral college which consist solely of politicians and lobbyist. In a lot of cases there have been talks about vote buying in the electoral college which isn't that uncommon, still puts the US surprisingly way below China in corruption status.

Anyone that believes the US presidency is a democracy and doesn't realize it's an oligarchy is a dipshit.

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>>672383985
I hope so - I like white & uncircumcised Europe.

>>672368488
Bernie and his supporters are literally cancer. Fuck you OP. I hate faggots like you. I would vote for shit before I vote for Bernie, and I will encourage all of my friends to do the same.

>>672384925
Try Singapore anon, it's not that bad. You can always drink alcohol, if so.

>>672384995
One time a group of women were arrested for protesting Putin. When released they created a fan club for him. Isn't Russia great? :)

>>672373211
FUCK YOU

>>672385797

This.

>>672385897

>implying you have friends

k

>>672385491
Look at it this way, there's dog shit, cat shit, cow shit, etc. They're all distinct, but still shit.

>Libertarian Socialism
wat?! Are you brain damaged?! Those are complete opposites! Socialism is a totalitarian system, libertarianism is pure freedom. "Libertarian Socialism" is like "loud silence"!

>>672385862
If enough people get upset it doesn't matter what lies the police, media and politics try to produce. We shall prevail.

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>>672385683
You're a google search away from a wealth of knowledge that 5000 years of humanity couldn't dream of. You want me to educate you?

You really are American. You faggots talk about self sufficiency, self motivation and earning everything for one's self. Yet, you can't educate yourselves when the information is right there at your fingertips. You don't even have to read, there are a dozen or so youtube videos about it. I'm sure they make a pop-up book somewhere with really big letters and simple words too, if you find yourself getting bored. That might cost some of your hard earned minimum wage though.

>>672386206
>Thinks that politics are black and white.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism
>inb4 hurr-durr yuh wikipedia.
Your public education is showing.

>>672386385
It's the fact that they're complete opposites. The tyranny of socialism, the freedom of libertarianism. It's insanity, pure and simple.

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>>672385997
Wow, a highly educated and thought provoking opinion on /b/!

>>672386694
>the tyranny of socialism
It's nice to see old propaganda is still stuck in America.

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>>672386966
I know. Can somebody please get me the fuck out of here?

>>672386666
What a waste of quads...
It says there that it's libertarianism that's AGAINST capitalism. How the fuck is that supposed to work?? One of the defining features of libertairanism is its support of the morality of a free market economy!

>>672386966
>thinks government completely controlling all aspects of life isn't tyranny
Lemme guess, you're European?

>>672387365
>links to the same post twice
Communism is still a blight on this Earth.

>>672386385
It's too bad this is the only way to put these American dumbshits in their place. You can't fucking educate them at all because they think that knowledge begins with unshakable faith in some retarded doctrine rather than self-doubt and rational argument.

>>672386694
See >>672386666
>>672386694
You know the cold war ended in 1991, right?

>>672387208
It's only complicated when you live in a very arbitrary world.

>>672386966

Socialsim isn't tyranny if you are the taker, only if you are the takee.

>>672379798
He's just calling himself a democratic socialist, because if he called himself a social democrat (which he actually is), he would have to keep explaining to everyone that he's not a socialist and that's a lost cause.

>>672387305
The extreme socialists aren't totalitarian, they're delusional. They think people can get paid from money that doesn't exist and they don't have, but they aren't the ones pushing for having surveillance cameras in the streets and the like.

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>>672387737
Libertarianism is synonymous with capitalism and the free market. I speak as a libertarian, I know my own fucking belief system. It is the OPPOSITE of socialism and the horrors that it brings.

>>672387924
This.
These people live on jargon because of it's simplicity.

>>672388069
>Posting another meme image from /pol/, no less.
>Only MUH brand of LIBERTARIANISM counts.
And disregarded.

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Reminder that Sanders would institute purges like EVERY OTHER COMMUNIST REGIME EVER

>>672373457
Simply because it's much more efficient and cost effective to run hospitals and medical care facilities as public institutions. You get sick, you go there and get treated. Same as with police - you don't need "crime insurance", you just use the service when needed.

>>672388396
You seem to be mixing up totalitarianism with communism.

>>672388378
Why don't you move to North Korea? Seriously! They're a socialist utopia! Or are they not "REAL" socialists?

>>672387945
Not the guy you responded to, but man, socialism, when it gets a little too enthused, is definitely a form of tyranny. That's because tyranny isn't just about putting cameras on the streets, it's about how you treat dissenting opinions. I think it's pretty clear now that socialists are not very good at that. In fact, as opposed to true liberalism, which in its original form is about individual freedom and freedom of expression, today's socialist is clearly the most direct descendent of the fascist and communist plagues that have brought the last century to its knees.

>>672388635
What's the difference? Both control the lives of people totally. They're pretty much synonyms.

>>672388517

Much more efficient to run mail as a public institution than as UPS, FedEx, et al.?

>>672388739
Sanders is neither a communist nor a totalitarian.

liberalism is on the other side of the coin with communism. both are cancer.

>>672388867
He's a socialist, which is commuism Lite™. He'll lead to the next Stalin.

>>672388689
Eh the most socialist party here has fuck all power and mostly is just here to say "Hey guys! How about some of that good old socialism ehhh?" while the other parties consider if they give a fuck.

>>672388635

Communism requires totalitarianism because government force is required to institute and continue communism.
Whereas when people have freedom, capitalism is the natural result.

>>672388670
>Makes no attempt at a worthwhile rebuttal.
>M-move to NORF KEREA.
You appear to be getting upset, anon. Maybe it's time to put the computer away, lay down in your trailer's plywood porch and color.

>>672389123

Wrong. Socialism is an economic theory on how to distribute wealth, comparable to Capitalism. Communism is a political theory on how to control people, comparable to Democracy. Technically, you could have a socialist democrat or a capitalist communist, though unlikely. But socialism shouldnt be taken as communism.

>>672388670
You're a real retard, anyway

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>>672389123
>Communism Lite
Could you meme any harder?

>>672389123
see
>>672387924

>>672389268
Seriously! Why aren't you lefties lining up to move to BEST KOREA?

>>672388635
Daily reminder that communism is a stateless society, and none of you Americans understand anything about socialism.

>inb4 b-but the TV said

>>672388867
Of course no, because communism is a utopia which actually can't exist in the world, exept you kill all who disagree with your way of building communism - the only man who actually tried it was Pol Pot with 2,5 millions died in 8mln country, but if commie is not so fucking mad to realize his red fetish - he builds socialism.

>>672378676
>parasites not paying taxes.
Except the top 20% earners in the U.S. already pay for 76% of the total tax revenue.
>we should take them even more.
Please.

>>672389513
>implying there's a difference between a communist, a social democrat, or a democratic socialist

>>672389580
The fuck are you talking about? EVERY communist society has been a totalitarian state, no exceptions.

>>672389556
North Korea isn't even socialist.

>>672389556
Here's your extra (you).

>>672389144
Where is here?

>>672389340
no, communism is ecomomic theory - each produces so much as he can, an gets so much as he needs

>>672389681
Wow, I've never noticed that most of Europe was like the Soviet Union. Thank you for opening my mind.

>>672389808
Societies that have called themselves communist, you mean. Does that mean that North Korea is also democratic because it calls itself the Democratic People's Republic of Korea? If you use a word incorrectly, you don't change the fundamental meaning of an accepted term, you're just fucking wrong.

>>672389077
while in communism you ensure the population control with brute force, in liberalism they do it with money. both are inhumane systems.

>>672389879
The low lands.

>>672389860
You disappoint tovarisch Kim Jon Yung

>>672388396
OOOOO yeah! 300 was cool and that pit was useful! Maybe we can deal with ISIS that way and save democracy!

>>672389860
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea
>The DPRK officially describes itself as a self-reliant socialist state[11] and holds elections.
Proven wrong, faggot.

>>672390030

Ok well getting technical, socialism is also a political theory also. But the basis of democracy, capitalism, socialism and communism is this. Economically, Capitalism VS Socialism. Politically, Democracy VS Communism.

>>672390038
well, now it's fucking close to it, and slowly moving even deeper.

>>672390279
See:
>>672390469
Your no true scotsman fallacy is showing.

>>672390469
Ok, I call myself the Emperor of Earth. You gonna come around to my place and suck my cock like a loyal peasant or not?

>>672390469
I hope you are joking.

>>672390325
You're Dutch? I thought it was a socialist country.

>>672390594
You don't know how to use fallacies, other than to use them to avoid answering criticisms of your failed attempts to reason.

>>672390494
Communism as utopia provides no government at all, so Democracy VS Authoritarism is better, I think.

>>672390469


LOL I can't tell if you are serious and 14 years old or if you are trolling us. Kim Jong UN also says he is the sun god and he gives life to all of his citizens. If North Korea was socialist, there owuld be more than 15 people living there who could actually afford food for their families. Socialism spreads wealth so no body is poor, yet that is one of the poorest countries in the modern world.

>>672390694
They are socialist, no matter how much you wish they weren't. They take all wealth from everyone and deal it out as they see fit, that's pretty much the definition of socialism. I know they're a PR nightmare to you guys, but you gotta deal with it.

>>672390469
It also calls itself democratic.

>>672390594
>someone uses a definition wrong
>you think it's a no true scotsman
Holy fuck are you legitimately retarded? Do you think because North Korea says it is a democracy it also is democratic?

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>>672390894
>Socialism spreads wealth so no body is poor
In every real socialistic society, EVERYONE is poor! Why? They kill or drive away all the smart producers in the society, leaving only the stupid and conquered who barely know how to run things.

>>672391086
Definitionally, yup. Democracies can be nightmarish too.

>>672390710
Yeah I guess we're pretty socialist. Doesn't feel totalitarian in any way though. If anything our politics is too mild to ever do anything remotely totalitarian.

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>>672391149
>Everyone is poor with socialism.
Nice memes.

>>672391237
>Holy fuck are you legitimately retarded?
>>672391237
>Definitionally, yup. Democracies can be nightmarish too.

So that's a yes.

>>672391149

Well, that isn't true at all. Denmark has one of the highest rates of living in the world and is socialist. People are technically born rich there because so much wealth is being re distributed from big oil companies drilling in their land. Libya, before Ghaddafi was murdered, was a socialist state with a higher rate of living than sweden and russia and people were paid to get married, buy cars and buy houses. You have no actual evidence to back up your claims. You are just a narrow minded, right winger who hates socialism and thinks it always fails, yet socialism actually has a pretty good track record. You are getting confused with communist countries running a socialist model.

>>672391149
Eh some socialistic european countries have tax laws that are very beneficial for companies so that isn't really a problem for them.

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>>672391625
>pic related

>>672368488
Instead he takes big donations from his cult.

>>672390894
How will you spread wealth, if you have no wealth, because everyone who produced wealth were called parasites and killed, so as their families. And everyone who left was promised absolutely equal salary, don't depending on how good do they work - so everyone started work as shit and country fell into poverty. Because everyone who was ready to work good was fucking killed, and those who sirvived didn't work in the country where the money was got only for good working, why the fuck you expect them to start work good, if they have their equal salary just because they are equal?

>>672391838

Its people like him that keep corporations in control of everything and keep everyone poor.

>>672391838
They're not pure socialistic states, so they're only partial failures. At least they recognize the necessity of having free-ish markets.

>>672391937
Communism doesn't work yes but that osn't the topic.

>>672388517
Funny how sanders hates the police as well and supports a terror group(black lives matter) in being ok with them saying cops need to be killed and black people need to fight back. It is also funny how he is basically ok with the rascism that is being promoted by this shitty group that has no reason to be even called something close to a movement.

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>>672391838
social democracy is not socialism

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>>672391867

I studied abroad in Denmark for two years about 7 years ago, there are two tax brackets in Denmark, Base and Top. Base tax bracket is about 23% so nice pic you got there bud. Trump supporters failed again.

>>672369296
>post one image on an image board
SHILLIN HARD, SON

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Its actually like $1.45 a litre. this picture is fucking stupid

>>672392411
Then explain the difference beween social democracy and democratic socialism, besides the order of the same fucking words.

>>672391999
A system I enjoy, because it still provides free healthcare for the poor while the economy works.

>>672392365
I told about socialism, not communism - North Korea, Soviet Union, Cuba, etc

>>672392411
That completely misses the point that SOCIALISM has given origin to SOCIAL DEMOCRACY while BASEBALL didn't give origin to GOLF. Left it in caps so you retards can understand it better.

>>672392476
Oh looky! A socialist lying on behalf of his cult!

>>672391951
Do you think it can be changed? Just remember that without corporations people would be even poorer.

>>672392840
Since the collapse of oil prices, EVERYWHERE has cheap gas. Retard

>>672375358
That is what will happen in the US. The people that would actually benefit from all his free shit program wouldn't pay their taxes because many of them already don't.

>>672368706
You are a retard

>>672393066

ya so edit the pic then RETARD