Why, because you think the billionaire Trump or the sellout Hillary is better?

Most americans cannot afford a good healthcare, or get a decent job.
Students are indebted.

And Sanders wants to give everyone a fair chance, regardless of the money you have.
Why would it be a bad thing?

You know, this would actually boost the economy and our country, isn't that a desirable outcome?

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>>671848235
He doesn't understand basic economics...

>>671848235
Because he's socialist and socialism is flawed more than capitalism = socialism is worse = socialism is bad = Bernie is bad.

>>671848470
There was absolutely no logic actually applied here.

because he's a filthy jew

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>>671848401
Oh, so I suppose you've got your delivery of pixie dust.

You will surely make America great again with that.

Now tell me how you're gonna pay for all that?
Bernie's program will make millions of american even more poorer with high taxes, high prices, and no jobs because all entrepreneurs will file for bankruptcy.

>>671848971
Don't worry he will just tax the rich 1% at 90% and that will pay for everything.

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>>671849112
In every country where socialism was applied, that failed, because the rich may be rich, but they are few.

And once that good ol Bernie will discover that, it's gonna be 90% tax for everyone.

>>671849489
OMG! Do you realize how stupid it is what you just said?

The top 1% combined have QUADRILLIONS of $, so there is well enough money out there to solve not only the problems of the USA, but also the world.

Read before you speak, jackass.

I am the 99%

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>>671850043
> thinks that throwing billions of taxpayer money at problems will solve them
> will complain he has no job

>>671848401
>implying Americans have developed logic yet

>>671848235
wow
just wow
you really don't get the economics do you?
>raise wages
>more money being spent
>more jobs are requested to fulfill the demand

you americana are really dumb

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>>671850581
this is the AMERICAN DREAM BABY!

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>>671848886
BETTER DEAD THAN RED LIKE YOU NIGGERS.

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>>671850700
kek
that money being spent on liberal programs, where does it come from?
You have 10s to answer... I'm waiting.
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Done?

Yeah, it's coming from the private sector, so you're actually bleeding the private sector to donate blood to the private sector.

That made no fucking sense at all.

If you support Bernie, you're just a freeloader.

because he thinks that spending more money will resolve the deficit

that is the stupidest idea that a human brain has ever produced

>>671850371
Yeah, so we'll just scoop up the money we've been throwing at the CIA, Military, and other armed forces budgets. That should still be just laying where it landed, right?

>>671852072
Shut the fuck up you horrible faggot

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>>671848401
You had a fair chance, you just squandered it and want another

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>>671850700
>raise wages
>lower skilled workers don't get jobs
>unemployment rises

wow, just wow, you sure don't get economics

>>671853404
This. The higher wages go the more small businesses will close and the harder big companies will work to eliminate positions or send jobs elsewhere. This means fewer jobs, especially fewer entry level jobs, thus raising unemployment and making it even harder to get started in the job market.

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Why vote for a socialist scumbag, when you can for Trump?

At least he's a succesful and accomplished businessman, and knows how to get shit done.

>>671853985
Yes, but this isn't the economies fault, this is greedy CEO's fault, and its very shortsighted, because once they cut jobs, suddenly there are less people to buy the things the companies make and they need massive bail-outs.

>>671853007
>assuming they all dont leave like they did in france

>>671853007
>Wall Street speculation tax

it was already tried elsewhere in the world
basically volumes fell so low that the tax would cost more to collect than the revenue it generated

>>671848401
> give everyone a fair chance
"Fair" isn't an obligation of the government. "Fair" is the obligation of the citizen.

Would you like things to be "fair"? Go to school. Don't slack. Get a scholarship. Go to college. Become productive.

"But muh student loan debt!" Get a practical degree. Earn your money back.

Still don't like the idea of college? Learn a trade. Work hard. Earn your promotions.

Sanders is losing 300~ delegates. Clinton has all the delegates. He still took 5.5 million dollars in donations YESTERDAY. You're paying for him to lose, which is his brand of "socialism" in a nutshell. Paying for people to lose.

>>671854307
In France, to fund their liberal program the government basically raised taxes and revenue from taxes actually DECREASED.

So they got the actual opposite effect.
And this happenned in every country that had such a stupid idea.

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>>671854693
Yep.
The only reason people use it now is because it isnt taxed.
Bernie supporters are a special kind of stupid

>>671854703
So you're telling me it's fair for a poor student to have to get indebted or to have to work at a shit job to pay for education than a rich kid getting all the education he wants while having the same abilities?

that doesn't seem really fair to me

i support Sanders

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>>671853404
Then you're basically admitting that our economy is run by corporations. Would you rather struggle to reform the economy's control back to the general population or keep saying, "It's how it is now, and if you change it, things might suck for a while at first. So I guess we'll just keep things how they are now and wathen our country remain in control by those who designed this who "work for your wants slavery campaign" by surrounding you with advertising and filling your home with celebrities, movies and shows all endorsing products, and tvs as well.
And finally the people are tired of being bought out because we're finally able to communicate effectively on a global scale. This new level of communication has helped (a lot of) us realize how stuffed with propaganda we really are.

Of course a change causes problems at first. But it's more like mucus draining after a cold or being sick. It's a side effect of getting over something much worse.

>>671856242
You basically admitted to being a lazy sack of shit in your first and last sentences.

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>>671850581
Eurofag

>>671848971
>make millions of american even more poorer with high taxes
> having no idea how taxes work

>>671849489
yeah, all of europe sure has failed

>>671854071
> successful
> knows how to get shit done

>>671857109
it is true tho :)

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>>671856242
Yes. That's life, it is supposed to be hard. That way only the best people get to the top and we don't waste resources on mediocre degenerates like you faggot.

>>671856909
implying EU is in a good shape

>>671854071
because his last name by birth is drumpf and that makes him a dweeby piece of shit

https://youtu.be/apv_Gl_9gYg

>>671848448
Justify the problem how you like, it really does make no sense though.

If our changing economy is telling us anything, it's that we need to increase access to education, and student loans are the first barrier.

Way to be part of the problem.

>>671857304
he knows people, the best people.
;^)

>>671857362
well im getting paid to study and have free healthcare while GDP is rising. Im happy with socialism

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>>671856397
You know, economics is a law of nature, and in fact corporations are run by economics, not the other way around.

If they don't abide by the laws of economics, they disappear, plain and simple.

Each worker has a specific productivity, and they cannot be paid more than they produce, otherwise the company will lose money and eventually disappear. That's plain and simple maths. Nothing can get around it.

So if a company is forced to pay higher wages, it is forced to fire lower skilled employees to remain in equilibriuum.

Of course, the productivity of an employee can improve, but oh wait... you just prevented the lower skilled from improving.

Good "job" Bernie!

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>>671857798
If that were the case we could just create more federal college grants/scholarships for the tech gifted instead of the just handing it out to niggers with 2.1 GPAs

>>671858139
There are many ways to do it, and I'm not arguing for any of them. I just think the post I replied to was counter productive.

>>671857947
>So if a company is forced to pay higher wages, it is forced to fire lower skilled employees to remain in equilibriuum.

No, you idiot, they wouldn't have any workers then, and be unable to continue their equilibrium. The solution is to pay the rich people at the top less.

>>671857947
To a degree bigger corporations need to be able to be held accountable for fair pay, otherwise the over time some people work turns into them being told "hey go home early this week, you busted your ass and deserve a break" and the overtime disappears. But beyond that you are right, you can only pay as much as a person produces.

>>671857947
how brainwashed are you really?

that's what they tell you, doesn't mean it's true

the real reason why they want low wages is to get more profit you fucking idiot!!!!!

if they could they would fire everyone to keep all the profit for themselves!

I just realised today that Sarah Palin was a crazy cunt who had people vote for her but not enough to become president.
So the crazy cunt Trump is most likely going to crash and burn when people genuinely have to make a serious decision on who to vote for,

>>671850700
this has to be bait. no one can seriously be that fucking stupid. but then again, this is 4chan

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>>671858289
Right, I just think that the way that the burn man want to go is like walking forward with one leg and backwards with the other.

>>671858759
Look at Australia and think again.

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>>671858712
Do you eat paint chips?

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>>671858759

>>671858922
Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like

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>>671856242
>but but life isnt fair
>throws tantrum

>>671858922
I'm not as certain.
Then again, we probably aren't thinking about the same things. I'm concerned about our long term future, specifically in a global economy. I know that we're about to have a new production boom using artificial neural networks instead of employees. For the first time ever, production will begin to reach near zero marginal cost.

>>671859224
What is it trying to say?

>>671858434
As if a ceo isn't going to lay a bunch of people off so he can still get his jet.
Computers are going to replace so many people in the workplace soon enough anyways. A great depression is just around the corner.

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>>671859224
I thought I was having a stroke reading that. Then I just realized you suck at English.

why dont americans just take europe as a model? look at the fucking private sector. top 10 companies in the world, almost all americans.
american president after the selection: "Oh no we need to lower tax for the big companies and bail them out of their failures. Only the worker class can save them". yeah rite mr. UH-MAH-FREEDOM. think again.

>>671859498
newfag detected

>>671858698
You are so dumb, I think you gave me cancer. Go back to your fucking basement and leave the somewhat intelligent conversation to people who have half a brain.

lrn2school

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>>671859537
Look to Europe for financial advice. Here, have my keks. Dumb ass

>>671848401
Students are indebted because many of them were fucking retarded going after useless degrees. My girlfriend is still 30k in debt and most of that was room and board. She fucked up and now I'm having to help pay for it. And she doesn't even use her degree. Maybe schools should focus on getting people ready for the workforce or better yet, get more people into trade skills. Glbtwtfbbq studies do not advance society.

>>671859537
We don't want that many muslims in our country, sorry. We like our own culture

>>671859498
I remember my first day on /b/

>>671859492
That wont happen in our life time

>>671858698
There's a huge difference between income and profit. Fucking idiot.

>>671859224
Wow, you're gonna vote Trump then?

>>671859474
>Doesn't write a clear sentence
>recipient expressed that message is unclear

>lol ur a new phage :^)

Whatever, at least I can write clear messages >>671859585

>>671859498
Congrats. Yer the newfag

>>671859837
are phrases like artificial neural network and zero marginal cost too complex for you?

>>671859537
What are you, stupid? The economy of most European countries is way more fucked than ours.

>>671859585
could you elaborate? you don't even have a fucking argument

>>671853103
"fair"

>>671859574
>>671859739
>>671859960
Look, you can keep same fagging all day, it still doesn't make you right

>>671860090
Hmmmmm, yeah, right....

>>671848971
>Make millions of Americans more poorer
>More poorer

>>671860150
>implying he didnt
Everybody has a fair chance in the usa, it is only the people who have fucked up that think there isnt fairness

>>671859696
"Studies do not advance society"
Well not when you get a masters in women studies, you fucking retard.
It's not hard to pick a degree that's applicable to the real world.

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>>671857947
While working at pizza hut, the daily labor costs to workers was (yearly) supposed to average 800$. Pizza hut, again yearly, made 4,000$ a day. Weekends usually brought 8,000$. Building costs were, again daily average, about 80$. So, in a day, Pizza Hut was making a profit of over 3,000$ .
Every fucking day.
All workers get paid what they deserve? If I was making some CEO of JVC Enterprises so much money that he can own islands, why was I needing to work another full time job (60 hours a week) just to be able to afford an APARTMENT.

That is not equal distribution based on labor. And it is baffling that it can even be considered that legitimately.

>>671860090
yeah because ur fukin administration forced lot of shit on us. like all the us military bases in europe needed to pay by EU citizens and cost even more than our own military expenses. especially all the econimic bills here are all in favorite of american companies. pls start to use ur brain if u have own, u sheep

Trump Trump Trump!

He's our only chance to change how we elect our next president. It needs to be a reality show where all the candidates live together in the white house for a year. That way we get to see who they really are, call or text to get them voted out of the house, and we can maintain our position as a fucking joke of a country.

>>671860333
>>671853103

That has got to be the stupidest fucking opinion.
No people do are not born with equal opportunity moron, Bill Gates kids will obviously have a better run at life than some Crack baby born to a teen mother in Mississippi.

Go and look in a mirror and say "I am a retard"

>>671860590
Supplies, maintenance, overhead, marketing, research and development, taxes.....

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>>671860590
>different pay scales for managers
>franchise costs
>food delivery costs
>food production costs
>food loss cost
Listen bud, you may think you know what you are talking about, but you are just skimming the surface of the costs to run a resturant, this is prob why you were making min wage

>>671860747
Equality is not fairness.

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>>671848971
>I'm too stupid for college so I don't want more people to have the ability to go
ignorant faggot detected.

>>671849489
YOU DUMB BASTARD
You obviously have 0 clue what democratic socialism is. Do you even realize that every other civilized country in the world has socialized healthcare?

>>671860747
>No people do are not born with equal opportunity moron
Some may have it easier true, but every American has the opportunity to succeed

>>671860590
>continued
In a year our crew made a man over 300,000 dollars. While our whole crew would need 8+ years of work to make that.
This man didn't do anything. He privatized FOOD. So that makes him deserving of his wealth a me of my poverty?
Thinking like that will destroy our species faster than we could actually physically try to kill ourselves off.

>>671857947
TROLOLLOLOLOLOLOLO

you are so funny anon, really funny.
i was soooo wrong that on the real market corporations just pass the higher costs on the consumer

u did great anon

>>671860921
>marketing costs
>insurance costs
>depreciation of assets
Yeah, I can smell a Berni-ite at 50 meters

>>671861140
>civilized
Hey hey savages are human as well sjw

>>671860590
What the fuck.... You've missed out like a hundred other costs?

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>>671854071
why vote for a shitty wanna-be tycoon who only has any money because of his daddy when you can vote for an honest man who has experience in politics?

>>671861175
>this man gambled on an idea and made money
>i delivered pizzas
>i deserve what he has earned
Wow kiddo

>>671860921
you moron
75% of the costs of a restaurant franchise is for the top management

open your eyes!

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>>671848235
just remove all wages, and everyone would have jobs! trump!

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>>671858922
Trump isn't even planning on building that stupid wall.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/trump-admits-his-talk-of-a-great-wall-along-the-mexican-border-is-a-trick-to-rile-up-a-sleepy-crowd/

>>671860921
>>671860778

Lol. Pizza hut works through franchising. That 800$ a day? That accounted for the budget of the I qner of the building, who pays JVC a large percent of the food costs out of his salary. Daily food usage and costs are incredibly low. A large pizza costs you 12$ but only costs the store about 1.10$.
You're fucking brainwashed. You think food and products are expensive because you can't afford the buy them in bulk.

You know nothing of economics and please don't fucking vote. Regardless of who you'd pick.

>>671861395
Right now tell me why these guys who have worked their whole lives and have taking big gambles dont deserve the money they earned

>>671859498
fucking newfag

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>>671848235
He is not a serious contender because this was allowed. Presidents are made, they are produced. The candidate that will be the next president will have enough security around them to prevent something like this from happening.

He is a distraction. Hilary is the chosen one. She is the perfect pawn and she will preform well.

>>671861140
>Do you even realize that every other civilized country in the world has socialized healthcare?

Yep, and they also got huuuge debts!

How's gonna pay for the free stuff when the state will be bankrupt?

A whole nation will be homeless, sounds fun!

>>671861150
sure you have. Just not as big of a opporunity as in the other civilized countries,

>>671861569
And you are just looking for someone to blame, open your eyes and please gouge them out.

>>671856397
Holy shit how old are you, 12?
Of course the economy is run by corporations, "the economy" is literally a measure of how well corporations are doing as a whole. Even small mom & pop businesses could be considered corporations, it's really just a matter of perspective at that point.

Saying that we should "struggle to reform the economy's control back to the general population" makes absolutely no sense. It's like saying we should "aspire to swim cardboard boxes for fiberglass", sure it may be correct grammar since you have a subject and a verb but the words don't make sense with each other.

I dunno who has been whispering in your ear about "slavery campaigns" and all of that 'lets rage against the machine, I mean come on sheeple it's 2016' talk, but it's completely childish and ignorant.

>>671861150
That's not true, if your parents are trailor trash that don't put any emphasis on education or success, from childhood you are disadvantaged.
There is a huge influence from your environment and upbringing, not sure if you've seen the lesbian couple who adopted a baby boy and are raising him as a tranny..

>>671848448
and trump does? the guy who wants to cut off all ties with the outside world, and has bankrupted more times than a thai prostitute has had gender operations? maybe after bankrupting usa 8 times, he might manage to fill his own account.

>>671860921
anon did u know recently news published how much the ceo from blackstone made last year?

>>671860590
>why was I needing to work another full time job (60 hours a week) just to be able to afford an APARTMENT.

Because you live in a place that is fucking insane. Move to a different city or state, man. I'm paying 600 for a 3 bedroom 2 bath, huge back and front, etc. house. Great/safe neighborhood too. I don't work myself to death.

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>>671861678
>civilized
Easy now you might sway my opinion by suggesting any other opinion is that of a savage

>>671858759
Welcome to America... Where socialism has failed in some places, and people want to force it onto the successful places to support the failed places

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>>671861653
>Yep, and they also got huuuge debts!
citation needed (because you are wrong)

>>671861653
We've got the huge debt without the healthcare, though.

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>>671861837
you need some free Bernie schoolin

I dont understand how people can be so stupid in not getting that if Bill Gates will be taxed more he wont starve because he owns something like 70 billions. Yes he can reinvest that money in new innovations for example and creating new jobs and it's ok, but it's still 70 fucking billions!

>>671861390
So you're telling me, that it's all okay and I'm being ignorant and selfish. While, let's say, Nestlé is making 1.99$ off of bottled water? And let me guess, you're going to blame the consumer? Who has advertising thrown in his face, everywhere he goes, to buy that water?
You're missing core concept.

>>671859574
only newfags care about newfags

>>671861729
>implying he didnt earn that money
Opportunity is out there, grab it

>>671859773
You say that now, next thing you know you are getting food stamps cause robojoe took your job and is now ass fucking your wife.

>>671861390
>>671861175
Certainly don't agree with your suggestion that you deserve what he got. That's border line communism.

However, there is no denying that the poverty gap is insanely disproportionate. There is no excuse for people to go on homeless, starving, working three jobs to make ends meet while others profit off this shit.
I'm referring to bankers in this case but not limited to them.


Also, if you have to work 8 years to make 300k you're border line retarded

>>671861722
>your life is determined in the first 10 years
>if you dont make it when you are 18, you are fucked
>average lifespan is 80, but it is those first years that determine if you are poor or not

>>671848235
that feel when the state that had the first cities use a $15 an hour minimum wage is currently leading in job growth.

>>671861390
And also, no. He deserves what I make, not I deserve what he makes. You fucking idiot. No one NEEDS that much money.
And what he did doesn't entitle him to it. Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and other self made billionaires actually created devices that helped revolutionize the world.

>>671861272

civilized means literally to settle, nothing to do with being savage or not.

>>671862040
>the concumer isnt to blame
>yet they fall for advertising
Are you a fucking retard? It is your choice to support these companies

>>671862110
>implying i work a job that a robot can do

>>671862065
yeah that is why ur administration failed

>>671862227
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycle_of_poverty

Why Bernie Sanders should NOT become President in 2016??
Easy, when Bernie becomes President of the U.S.A. he might actually change this place full of shitfaced and stupid people to a country that has something to offer. That way, we cant make fun of this shithole anymore ..... and THAT would be the worst thing that could happen. We eurofags need a country to look down on!

>>671862306
>i determine other peoples needs
Sorry to inform you comrade, but you dont get to determine shit about other people

>>671862306
Well the guy from Pizza Hut also fed a lot people...

You've got to eat before using a shiny phone don't you?

>>671862227
Actually the first 15 years are crucial in the development of a person's brain. Yes of your upbringing is void of education and mental training it is very unlikely that you'll develop it later in life.

>average life span is 80 years old
Go and ask a 72 year old to learn computer programming

>>671862490
You know what stops that, quit having children you cant afford

>>671862569
>go ask a 72 year old to learn programming
Stupid argument, but you can ask a 30 year old.

>>671862607
if you cant afford proper education or birth-control chances are youll have a bunch of kids

>>671850043
QUADRILLIONS?
>>671858434
FFS THEY WORKED TO GET THERE YOU FUCKING SOCIALIST, AND IF YOU ACTUALLY SUCCEEDED IN LIFE, YOUD UNDERSTAND

PROFIT IS WHY COMPANIES ARE MADE DUMB NIGGER,UNLESS ITS AN NPO, THEN ITS FILLING THE NEED FOR SOMETHING IN SOCIETY

>>671861691
No. I'm not. You're assuming the point of my argument you arrogant ass.
I don't want his money, nor anywhere near his amount. I want a little more, and he should make a little less. He does not own a company that is detrimental to society. So why the hell should he make that money because he gambled on an idea, yes, but, that he had to prey on the poor to make his money.
He's not helping our society, he's helping himself. These rich money run the economy with their bulk spending. But if fewer people had all the wealth, and it was more fairly distributed, then middle class men and upper middle class men could also buy in bulk and spend larger amounts of money. Then they would encourage education to their children, and the importance of wealth.
The pi Robles now is just that too few po eople hold too much cash. 30% and 70% still equals 100, but it's more efficient that 99% to 1%.

>>671862505
this
I hope they put that fake-tanned realitystar faggot as their leader. Infinity luls will be had

>>671862822
Which is why i certainly support government subsidized birth control. The implant.
Also how is that the responsibility of anyone but the parents?

>>671856242
KILL YOURSELF IF YOU CANT HANDLE HOW HARD LIFE IS, COMMIE

>>671862524
yeah sure pizza hut owner need more money so that he can buy more private jets etc. and the low class worker should be thankful that he just got enough for his belly and small shiny phone. and if tomorrow all living cost suddenly jumped bc of some guy on wallstreet lost some bet on the market and got bailed out by gov. well i shouldnt worry alot

>>671848235
there are a lot of studies that say raising the minimum wage will help the economy more than lowering taxes on the "job creators." i'll link one here since it's recent:

http://qz.com/429487/a-new-imf-study-debunks-trickle-down-economics/

but seriously think about it. every time you give a poor person $100, they will go out and spend that $100 because they're not educated and won't save money. it's a (sad) fact. that money goes directly to businesses through consumption.

a rich person will take that $100 and invest it in some kind of fund or whatever. sure that money goes to businesses eventually but only after his original cut (the reserve) is taken out and the banks managing the fund take their cut. to give money to the rich is just insane.

>>671848448
>>671848971
>>671849489
>>671852554 (dude we're already spending so much money on corporate welfare it's insane)

>>671856242
Your assumptions are based on a fantasy of equality. Real life, that is to say, nature itself, is based on inequality. Do you think harnessing the sun and the stars is something chimps could do? Do you think it's something humans as they are now could do? No, it will take the best of the best, and historically in nature we see that a tiny percentage passes their genes successfully through the eons as we are refined further.

Some people look at the sky and see nothing but a black canvas pricked with light.

If that's not enough for you, then think about how evolution works. It relies on the fact that the best will out-compete the rest. So instead of trying to hogtie the best, why don't you try to compete instead? It's hard right? Yeah, I'm sure chimps and cats and dogs think so, too.

>>671862960
The kids are usually paid for with our tax dollars, that's how.

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>>671862306
>no one NEEDS
No one NEEDS a car, we can just walk everywhere
No one NEEDS a pool, there are natural bodies of water that we can swim in
No one NEEDS a cell phone, land lines work just fine

Next you're going to tell me that law abiding citizens shouldn't own guns because criminals shoot people

>>671859498
NORMIE GET OUT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>671848470
Sarcasm detected

ITT: Faggots who don't Keynesian economics

>>671854703
This. I don't know why people look down on others with trade skills. They pay really well and are in high demand.

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>>671848235

Bernie is already behind by over 600 delegates, he doesn't have a chance to catch up to hillary unless he has overwhelming victories in the next few weeks.

>>671862915
And again, you are trying to say his product isnt important
>protip: if the guy is making money apparently his product is important
Also if this is such a concern to you, what have you done to fix it besides bitch online and maybe vote sanders? When was the last time you volunteered to help inner city youth, are you pursuing you social worker degree?
Your morals are yours, not somebody elses

>>671863215
If there were no kids, they wouldnt. See how this goes back to the original argument of dont have kids if you cant support them. Why dont we teach that in high school?

>>671862996
i agree on this. because no one here can prove if there is ever a corporation lowered there selling prices or raised wages in a manner which can be compared with the increasing inflation rate

>>671862520
Are you the dumbest fucking person on the planet?
Name something other than: food, water, oxygen and shelter that people NEED to survive.

>>671862960
Having few people in poverty should be a goal of any society, and its pretty easy to accomplish

>>671863044
Humanity makes a point of distinguishing itself from the natural world for a reason. We actually understand the concept of fairness. We have the ability to make things more fair. We also believe in social responsibilities.

Way to ignore everything we've worked so hard for. The natural world sounds much better, let's go shit in our hands and through it at people we don't like.

>>671863044
Excuse me, I want to enjoy life too! Friends, family, going out...

I don't want to work all the time!

If we could just tax the 1% even a few percents more, more people would be able to ENJOY life instead of killing themselves at work just to survive.

>>671863475
We do. People are morons.

>>671859490
>>671859498
>being this new to 4chin

>>671854242
Are you retarded? A small business goes under when you raise wages, jobs gone because it can't support itself. But still only one maybe 2 entities. A huge company like Mcdonalds? You raise the minimum wage by $1.00 for a million employees that a million dollars every hour more you pay, not including social security and medicare taxes the companies are responsible for. Do you really think its greed? Raise the minimum wage, I can't wait to see a bunch of people have to fight for a skilless job. Having a resume required for a cashier job. Small busineses? Nope not anymore, too much overhead just for the workers.

>>671863512
And you genius tell me why that is all i need. Come on, explain to me why all i need is the basics. I determine my needs, not you

>>671861723
>Bankrupted more times than I Thai prostitute has had sex operations

>>671859537
How much longer is Germany gonna have to financially carry the EU before it buckles?

>>671863631
So why is it my, the tax payers, problem?

>>671862524
I feed myself nearly for free because I grow my own food. My Shiney new phone is the galaxy 2 that I bought from a friend for 30$
What do you spend on your food and your phone? When you realize you're brainwashed, I won't sound so ignorant. I don't bring up certain points of my argument because I'm typing on a phone, on a eagdom board.
If you can't fit the pieces together yourself, study the points before you assume they're entirely wrong.

>>671863719
LOL the fuck? even if they dont raise it. small companies gonna go down anyways because the big ones bash them out from the market

>>671863719
Are you retarded? Australia raised it's minimum wage to over 17 dollars. Guess who's businesses aren't dying, and who's economy is doing better than everyone elses?

It's like you only know how to speak out of your ass.

>>671863622
>Excuse me, I want to enjoy life too!

That's great. Get in line. You understand that resources are limited right? Goddamn, it's like you believe the world is some fantasy land from a thousand years ago where there's room for everyone and resources for everything.

The world is finite, but human population keeps growing. It's unsustainable. something has to give, and I'd rather see the waste cut than the muscle and brains of our collective organism.

It's hard, dude, but this is reality. We kill each other. We go to war en-masse. This isn't a game. There's little room for mistaking fantasy for reality anymore.

>>671863988
Which will happen more once 15 dollars an hour is the minimum.

>>671863345
How can you argue the importance of pizza hut? Especially if Pizza Hut couldn't advertise.

>>671863874
It's our problem because the expenses land on us. It's just shouldn't have to be our responsibility.

>>671860334
If I didn't think my degree could earn me the money to pay off the debt then I wouldn't go to fucking college.

I can go to a tech school and learn to weld for 6k and land a job as a pipe fitter welder and make $30 an hour with overtime.

Don't get a shit degree that won't take you anywhere even if it is applicable.

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cause we already have one old white man trying 2 be president we dont need 2 am i right.
amen

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>>671863719
you are the retard

>>671863562
No, you're wrong, we can be fair, but the problem is that most people want to be unruly and take what is not theirs and steal, lie, cheat, and so control must be put in place to contain, regulate, and control people.

Have you forgotten that the purpose of government is control of the population? I want what's best for people, too, and I see your opinions as childish representations of idealistic fantasy without sufficient roots in reality to be tenable.

Hard choices must be made. Everyone does not have a future. It's a fact. I'm sorry if the dichotomy between your fantasies and reality make you sad or upset.

>>671864159
The consumer pays for it right? Then it is important to somebody. Then these somebodies can contribute. Food is basic man, and people can choose where to get it from. Sorry being a delivery boy made you jaded

>>671853404
this has been proven to be wrong though. go look up what has happened in the areas where minimum wage was increased to $15 an hour.

>>671862996
No. Rich people spend their money too. Raising minimum wage is only going to hurt small businesses, and make it so you have to fight for a job as a cook at McDonalds.

"Excuse me, I would like to apply for a job as a cashier."

"I'm going to have to see your resume, a cover letter, and letter of recommendation isn't necessary, but will help your chances. We need someone with a minimum of 5 years experience, or an associates or bachelors degree. We also have an unpaid internship program you can apply for but the waiting list is about 6 months."

>>671864164
And again this wouldnt be a problem if they didnt have kids

>>671863044
i'm not the guy you replied to but i think you could understand his side if you came at it a different way. we know for a fact that economically we're shooting ourselves in the foot every time that we pass tax breaks for the ultra rich.

http://www.keepeek.com/Digital-Asset-Management/oecd/employment/in-it-together-why-less-inequality-benefits-all_9789264235120-en#page1

by raising the minimum wage we're not pandering to the weak in our society, we're greasing the cogs in our society and i picked that comparison on purpose. people growing up very poor are not going to save any of the money they get even if they got lucky and become rich (see mc hammer and larry king)

http://nautil.us/issue/31/stress/when-destructive-behavior-makes-biological-sense

by giving money to the poor rather than the rich, there is a much higher chance that it circulates than if it's given to the rich.

http://collectivelyconscious.net/articles/the-imf-confirms-that-trickle-down-economics-is-indeed-a-joke/

inequality will always exist but right now america is structured to benefit the rich way more than the poor (look at the DNC party leader trying to get payday loan restrictions lifted). the issue isn't that we should take from the rich and give to the poor but that we should stop giving to the rich because what we have right now is a game rigged in their favor and honestly they don't need the help.

>>671863857
germany doesnt care or they even insist it bc that way they got more control on it. look at the financial figures. germany still standing good on his feet even increased export. look at japanese history governing

>>671864345
Yeah because all small businesses can afford that

>>671862694
Then don't mention the average life span if it's not of use to the conversation.

Go ask a 30 year old that has never used a computer because his parents live in a trailor and gave the child weed, booze and cigarettes from age 5.

>>671848448

college loans carry higher interest rates because they are not secured by any tangible collateral

cars and houses are tangible collateral that can be repossessed in default

>>671864469
So people will want to work for a change is what youre saying?

>>671848235
Trump is better.

>>671863223
>I'm not going to listen to some nut job with a box full of assault rifles.

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>>671864577
see
>>671864439

>>671860590
It's their company and they went out on a limb and risked it all to get where they are so they can do whatever the fuck they want with the money their fucking company earns you piece of shit.

Sure I wanna be rich too but I don't have the gut to risk everything I have to start a company or climb the corporate ladder of another. I'll get my promotions and cap out at around $28 an hour and I can either be fine with that or learn a different trade to land a better wage job. You're not tied down to a job if you like it find a new one and stop crying.

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>>671864439
BUT it increases prices. So nothing has really happened.

Again, take a fucking economics class you retard.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/14Y5pPgeuwk1lQZx4u9Eh_021jPC3jjzjUiFckwocj7E/viewform

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>>671864587
>if i keep narrowing the playing field eventually i will be right
We ok, i guess this one hypothetical guy does need our help.

>>671864439
theres a reason why economist agrees with Bernie.

>>671864345
Trying to make it seem like it has anything to do with a political party. Watch when you have to fight for a job as a cashier at a fast food restaurant.

>>671864731
Take another, it doesnt.

>>671864417

It has. McDonald's just contracted a company to replace most of their work force with machines that make your food for you, and it takes maybe 2 guys to do scheduled maintenance for all the stores in their area.

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F-Feel the Bern guys! W-W-We can still win!

>>671863345
I volunteer for community all the time, I'm actively apart of my local schools, homeless and animal shelters. I'm fucking 24 who tried to go to school, but it was so fucking boring that I couldn't focus in class ever. I hated the system and it didn't cater to me. So I dropped out and started at working at a factory so I could afford my home since my mother couldn't afford to have me live with her anymore. So I went on my own for her.
Working two jobs and taking care of my life and family, I soon realized that I don't have time for school anymore.
So I moved away and saved up. Now I'm currently living in an apartment with 4 months rent, bills and food saved up, praying I can get a decent job to get myself through school.
Just so I can get a shot at a degree to make enough money to actually afford to live comfortably, and not day to day.

You call me and people like me lazy because of how we're bon. I've been busting my ass my whole life to make an HONEST living.

>>671857352
news flash you fucking retard we do not live in a meritocracy even if we pretend we do. people that start on the bottom cannot reasonably move up and the ones that do manage to are an extremely lucky few and not really worth mentioning statistically speaking.

>>671864714
Enjoy
http://www.aei.org/publication/minimum-wage-effect-from-jan-to-sept-seattle-msa-restaurant-jobs-fell-700-vs-5800-food-jobs-in-rest-of-state/

>>671864723
>You're not tied down to a job
Totally, rent and food it free

>>671860590
You autistic shit. Your work is in low demand, the CEO's work is needed nation wide. Of COURSE the big Boss gets paid more than the lowly cuck you are. Peasant

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>>671864369
>you're wrong, people are unruly!
Ever hear of the obedience studies? No we aren't.

>government should control the population
And it does, regardless of how education is paid for

>I want the best for people you're childish
That's not even a point of discussion. But, if I'm the childish one, why are you the one making emotional arguments and belittling your opponent?

>hard choices must be made
Yeah, luckily this isn't one of them.

We call the American dream a dream for a reason. Because it's nearly impossible to achieve, and because it's worth striving for. You already sound defeated.

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>>671864842
yeah, because he's right.

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>>671864696
>military surplus is now considered "assault rifles"

>>671864482
but they do, so it is

>>671864469
it does hurt small businesses if you consider it in a vacuum but as a small business owner the gov is also bending over backwards to help me hire lower income workers. they'll let me hire someone who will work the first 6 months for FREE so that i can train them. not only that but with the economy so bad we can ask for more than anyone in the past of our minimum wage workers.

and to say that rich people spend money too is obviously ignoring context. a rich person spends a smaller portion of their money than a poor person, otherwise they would stop being so rich.

anyways. small businesses shouldn't be afraid of minimum wage or education reform. if you want to check out the programs i'm talking about they're all organized locally: https://www.sba.gov/tools/local-assistance

>>671864930
mcdolans is not a franchise in the US?

>>671864930

>inb4 [citation needed]

http://newsexaminer.net/food/mcdonalds-to-open-restaurant-run-by-robots/

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what's sad is Trump would actually tax the poor less than Bernie would

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>>671864943
>I'm fucking 24 who tried to go to school, but it was so fucking boring that I couldn't focus in class ever. I hated the system and it didn't cater to me
Yes i would call that lazy. Worked hard your whole life, ok bud

>>671848971
>high taxes, high prices, and no jobs because all entrepreneurs will file for bankruptcy.
>knowing this little about economy

>>671865149

They still provide jobs in the US that they're ready to cut in response to the states increasing min wage to $15

>>671864641
The problem isn't that people don't want to work. This will cause stagnation, no one will want to get a job that requires skill. Because they can live off of their wages at McDonalds. Don't get me wrong, I don't like to see people struggling to live because all they do is work at a fast food restaurant, but the fact that those are shitty jobs is what sjould drive people to learn a skill, and get paid more for that skill. I have struggled off of a shitty fast food restaurant job, but I did what I had to do and now I don't have to do that anymore.

>>671865079
It isnt my responsibility. I didnt pop out these kids, did i?

>>671864731
By like mere cents. Papa John pizza was whining that the 10.10 min wage would raise the price of their pizzas by eleven cents. I love hearing the economics class jab from armchair economists

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>>671863722
That IS all you need?
That's literally the first lesson in economics!! Haha. Are you serious?? Haha haha
Literally, the first day of high school economics teaches you the difference between needs and wants in life.
It's a generally and universally accepted concept by even the very people you're trying to defend right now you fucking inbred. Don't fucking vote.
Needs are what you can't live without. Wants are everything else.
"You get an A for effort little Timmy, but your daddy can't buy you out of your stupidity. Here's your F."

>>671864469
No, rich people do not spend as much of their money on local consumer goods and services, as poor people. Poor people spend their money immediately on things they need, putting money into the local economy, paying other poor people, who then also spend it locally - a positive multiplier. rich people do not need the extra hundred just to eat, or pay for their dry cleaning. so they put it in the ank, or use it to buy imported goods, like chinese and japanese made video games and dildos and other shit, off the internet - thereby enhancing Amazon's profits and returning the money to other rich people. this is basic, well proven, attested fact. And it get worse with bigger numbers = put a million dollars in the hands of a thousand poor people and it gets spread out - put it in the bank of a rich person and it gets sucked into a hedge fund... no enployment created.

rich people do not create employment - they save their money for yachts

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>>671864876
>derpa derpa derp

>>671865004
Enjoy
>Myth: Raising the federal tipped minimum wage ($2.13 per hour since 1991) would hurt restaurants.

Not true: In California, employers are required to pay servers the full minimum wage of $9 per hour — before tips. Even with a 2014 increase in the minimum wage, the National Restaurant Association projects California restaurant sales will outpace all but only a handful of states in 2015.

http://www.dol.gov/featured/minimum-wage/mythbuster

>>671864943

>I'm fucking 24
>my whole life

Your life is just beginning bud, your brain isn't even fully developed yet.

Everyone wants the highlights of their lives to happen while they're in their 20s/30s. Win the lottery if you want that.

>>671864552
I agree that the system is corrupt, but the corruption needs to be addressed, not just replaced or amended with pork.

>>671865452
it is I who determines what i need. You arent getting it, nobody should be allowed to tell me what i need. I understand the BASIC needs m8, but you arent getting what im saying, that nobody is allowed to tell me what i get to spend my money on, no one is allowed to tell me what i need.
Know scurry down to the dhs office and collect your check

>>671865513
Still number one in the world, God bless America!

>>671865733
Eh, you can have a highlight real at anytime. Just don't tie money into it

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>trusting corrupt politicians to distribute money collected from corrupt companies

>>671865147
Money in a bank isn't just sitting there. Its being spent, and invested and moved around. Thats how banks make their money, the only thing that keeps money out of circulation is having cash stashed in a safe at home. Also as bad as it is, the skilless jobs kinda have to be not well paying. Wheres the incentive to learn a skill that will get you more money? Psychology is important in an economy too, capitalism throves from the ability to become successful through hard work. Its what makes it a good system. You wouldn't have opened a business if you didn't think it would be worth it. Why open a business now? You can live off your mcdonalds wage, plus the overhead is much higher.

>>671865513
You didnt read my link did you?

>>671864805
You say that as if the individual I'm describing is one in a billion.
There are heaps of these people in America, no access to computers, education, decent upbringing.

All you're saying is any 30 year old can learn programming, which is fucking retarded. Social and economic status contribute significantly to a person and you're trying to ignore that factor.

>>671864392
People can choose, I'm not jaded. But when I'm sitting at home watching something on my TV while doing work, and all of a sudden an advertisement for pizza Hut comes on. Next thing I know, I realize I'm hungry for pizza and pizza Hut sounds good.
If you are learned, you'd understand that I didn't choose to get pizza hut. My subconscious hunger was influenced by pizza huts advertisement. It was subliminal because even I didn't realize I was hungry at the time.

But let me guess. You don't understand the point of what I just said, do you? Or even better, are you going to say I'm wrong?

>>671866053
yea, it said you are a huge faggot and love to meet strange men in public bathrooms for gay sex.

>>671865031
Are you serious, dude? You sound like you're completely out of touch with reality. Obedience studies? Fuck dude, you're stupid. Get into the real world and see for yourself instead of living in your fantasy-land bubble.

>>671860590
holy fucking shit please dont tell you honestly think "building costs" were $80 a day,your stats are sofucking off and incomplete, so many operation,finance and investment activity going on youve completely and utterly overlooked.

I doubt you even have an idea of accounting, let alone the most basic tools used. You have no idea what you're talking about with expenses, so no wonder you can barely afford an apartment

>>671865739
trump and bernie promised increase tax for the wealthy as obama did promised.

well I wish you good luck on the aftermath

>>671866062
>heaps
Oh lordy. Let me guess you live in some city and think any rural dweller was given mt. Dew and cigs as a 5th birthday present huh?

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>>671848235
>Thinking companies will hire more people if they just have more money

>Having no idea how economics works

how's that life adjustment going OP?

>>671848235
He's a socialist. Discussion over.

>>671864930
do you really think that they wouldnt have done that even if minimum wage was $4 dollars an hour? companies like mcdonalds will always look for the absolute cheapest way to do things.

meanwhile more jobs are being created in these places than anywhere else

>>671864568
As more and more refugees keep pouring into Europe adding more numbers to the enemplognent figures of the poor countries like Greece and Spain.

They are standing strong at the moment but more and more is being liked on.

I get it they have the best intentions but that shits not gonna last long with free loading countries and jobless refugees coming in the masses.

Why do you think the UK wants out of the EU? They don't want to go down with everyone else.

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>>671866284

You can't make jobs like McDonald's have wages where you can live off just working there for the rest of your life. There would be no incentive to make people seek out more meaningful trades like being an engineer or a doctor, something that actually contributes to society.

>>671866170
Dude, you arent some genius to figure this out. My college training including advertising. I understand this, but how is it pizza huts fault? You are painting them like some evil corporation, when all they are trying to do is sell pizza. Here is a tip, ignore it. Jesus you are deluded huh?

>>671863485
It's happened at literally every single smal business in my county since NY raised the minimum wage a few months ago.

I'm aware that's only anecdotal evidence, but I'm certain you wouldn't be hard pressed to find that in other locations.

>>671866221
Ahh

>>671865064
Really? Why would you ever need a clip that big? What are you going to hunt with that?

>>671866426
Unemployment* Piled* god damn I can't type today.