>>670467886
It has a pussy therefore its a female
>thread

top kek

>Having sex with this would make you straight

>>670467886
I guess it depends on your veiw of the whole tranny thing going on, on one hand it's a woman and having sex with them isn't gay because it has a vagina.
On the other hand, the vagina is the only femine thing on that person, so wanted to fuck them is pretty gay.
It could just be an unfuckable woman.

>>670467886
If there's an "F" on his birth certificate, it's not gay to fuck his ass, if there's an "M", it's gay.

/thread.

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>>670467886
That is a very ugly woman, and while wanting to fuck her would make you retarded, or possibly blind, you would be straight. Pretty simple anon

You can't use logic when comes to this subject they're not going to listen I decided give in a let the faggots be called whatever the fuck they want. and If I call them the wrong gender that means that fail at passing as the opposite sex.

This is a fucking post-op tranny, right?

I am a very tactile person and could not get it up with erh, it. So what does that make me gay?

>>670468249
The way i see it is the act of fucking her would be straight, but WANTING to fuck her would be gay.
Though your point still stands, in the end she's just an ugly woman.

>>670467886
The real question is, should you consider that a bonus hole?

>>670467998
>>670468103

these are correct
of course that thing is technically a female by biological definition, and of course fucking a female isn't gay, but at the same time, this girl has very masculine features, which, if you find attractive, then ya you're a faggot
same goes for traps, if you're a guy and you fuck someone who is biologically male then you're gay, however some traps have very feminine features which even a straight male might find attractive

>>670468395
She's a woman, there is by definition no homosexuality involved if you knkw she has a vagina

>>670468248
So it's gay to fuck a person who looks exactly like a female (assuming penis transformed into vag)

But it's straight to fuck what is essentially a dude who used to be a woman?

Are you attracted to what someone looks like or are you attracted to their birth certificates?

>>670468769
Birth certificate is altered following SRS, trying again trap lover

>>670468619
If a gay dude fell in love with "him" before knowing it's actually a "she" would it make him straight? With your logic I'd say so.

>>670468883
So you base your sexuality on the bureaucracy of the country you live in. Ok.

>>670468769
I'm attracted to what people look like but I also don't support mental illness.

You don't get to pick your gender and chopping off your dick won't make it any less gay to fuck you.

This whole trans fad needs to die in a fucking fire and we really need to stop holding peoples' hands and telling them it's okay to be batshit insane.

>>670468902
Not because up until the point that he saw the vagina he was acting off of what he could see as secondary sexual characteristics, if he knew that the vagina was there, and he did it anyways, he would be bi.
This is how sexuality works, if you don't know, you have arguably plausible deniability, otherwise you made a clear choice to go for someone you knew to be a certain gender

Was Theon Grayjoy still a male after he got his dick cut off?

Yes.

He's still a male.

OP's picture is a dickless dude.

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>>670467886
thats a man OP, having sex with it would confirm you as a gay. pic related on the other hand wouldnt as she is a girl.

>>670468232
kek

>>670468977
>majority of the population of your country votes them in
>if the government says it, it is almost certainly the popular opinion
Yes? this is how democracy works? if I go off what the government says then I would have to be right in majority of eyes?
Are you retarded anon?

>>670469190
>stop holding peoples' hands and telling them it's okay to be batshit insane

Why? What do you care if someone lives out their fantasy?
Of course I don't expect anyone to call a dude "her" just because there was some plastic surgery involved. But beyond that what's the problem?

>>670467886
It's gross.

>>670469296
>implying that was a surgery vagina
She was born a woman m8, this transition is going the other way

>>670469296
I know you're probably trolling. But in case you aren't - that's a female to male trans you fucking retard

>>670469386
Because those insane fucks then go on to infect their children and those around them with their mental illness, and society begins to dissolve.
The loonies need to be corralled, not cast to the wind.

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>>670467886
Don't care; would gladly fuck.

>>670469366
>kek

Ok so if the population votes that you're gay, you become homosexual. You're making a ridiculous argument and I want to see how far you'll take it. Come on, tell me more.

So in terms of your sexuality, "popular opinion" equals fact. Is that correct?
If you travel to another country do you keep your sexuality or do you change to adapt to new local laws? Tell me more about this exciting popular opinion sexuality you have!

>>670469483

Lol the first time I had a MMF threesome with my current girlfriend and friend she grabbed both of our balls at the beginning and rubbed them together and was like, "it's official, your faggots now, so lets get to it" then I started sucking my friends dick while she rimmed him. good times.

>>670469473
you have strange fantasies m8
none of that happens in the real world

>>670468477
>if you fuck a guy, you're gay

Aww, look at those antiquated notions of sexuality. Nothing says freedom like strict rules.

I'm pretty advanced because I don't claim that I'm gender or sexually fluid. I claim that gender and sexuality are fluid and the people who fight it by creating binaru systems are really just neurotic self-loathing losers.

>>670469624
As the gay dude in many MMF threeways with straight people, I want you to know that you're awesome. I don't desire or enjoy relationships, and sexually I'm adventurous, so the MMF thing has always been my favorite. It's a lot better when the 3 of you agree to have no relationship or sex after, though. Shit always gets weird if the straight people run off and fuck without you, so it should be on the no-no list before you ever get started.

>>670468477
this is correct
However
"trap" technically means a tranny who is passable enough to attract a straight male. E.g.:
>find a chick attractive
>flirt etc.
>take home to fuck
>this chick has a benis
>it's a trap

trannies in general are not traps, just faggots.

>>670469881
Why faggots though? Just because they want to become women doesn't mean they are homosexual. Those are two separate concepts.

>>670469641
>Implying encouraging trans people won't lead to more trans people
>Implying that's not actually happening right now
>Max kek

>>670469881
He's not correct at all. Humans are bisexual. All of them. And if you need proof, spend time with a guy who insists he's 100% straight and play "spot the defense mechanism" - it'll keep you busy for weeks.

>>670469875
Ha, thanks. And yeah MMF threesomes are my favorite hands down, although its usually me and my girlfriend and another dude so like, she and I do have a relationship beforehand and after.

>>670469979
if it's a male who likes dicks it's a faggot.

>>670470053
Yes, that's true. What does that have to do with transsexuals? They don't all like dick.

>>670469305
a girl with a dick which is half gay

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>>670469601
>popular opinion in society is unrelated to individual outlook
Are you really gonna go here m8? Is your best attempt at shooting me down really gonna be
>If the whole country has a vote to decided wether I, John Smith, am actually a homosexual in secret, would I stand by the result?
Are you retarded? What fantasy world do you live in? In simple steps I will explain the outlook of a logic person
>the views of society are what drives voting for governmental figures or representatives
>if the government has an opinion on an issue, it is reasonable to assume this is the view of the majority of their voters
You get it? so when the government has declared men who get sex changes to be women legally, I assume that is that outlook of most people, making you the odd one out?
>travel to a different society and live by their norms
I guess you are "not gay" or "not white" or whatever the fuck defintiom they give you while over there, but as soon as you go back to a society which has different standards, that will change?
>If a tree falls deep in the forest with no one to hear it, does it really fall?
On this site we often use the western ideas of what is homosexual etc, and that is normal, we are from certain groups and hold certain ideals, and hold people up to those generally agreed upon levels of scutiny, other societies and communities may have different ones? Are you totally incapable of non-handicapped thought?

>>670467886
photoshop

>>670470019
If a couple said "join us for a night," sure. I almost had a 3way with a friend and his gf but he bailed when my hand hit his dick. Three years later, he's single, I have a cute female friend, and he's asking me for a threeway. I did it... They ended up fucking without me a week later... I shouldn't care at all, but she lied about it and he told me the truth a week later. So now, I can't tell them that I'm really just mad they lied because of course they think I'm jealous of the sex. And maybe I am a little, but I could've held that in. The lying? I didn't hold that in so well. So me and her don't talk at all anymore and he's mad cause she won't see him anymore out of "respect for me" or some shit. He wants me to tell her I don't care, I told him I don't talk to her cause she lies. Women love throwing wedges into friendships.

My other threeways went much better than this recent one, but it kinda started randomly, so we didn't get to sit down and establish the rules.

>>670469993
it's not
maybe in your head tho

>>670468883
In my province, birth certificate is altered when you pay the 36 bucks to get it altered.

>>670470410
Nigger please, why do you think they try so hard to stamp out hatespeech? ideas take root in impressionable minds

>>670470333
Idk, I stopped reading after the 3rd line
I was hoping for something funny

>>670470383
no, search that image

>>670470452
>implying sex is a pay to alter characteristic
No faggot, you need doctors proof in order to get all ID altered and verified across the country when you change your birth certificate. This is universal as it can seriously scramble you in databases far more than a name change

>>670470489
Honestly I have no idea what you're talking about. Who's "they"?

>>670470516
>gets btfo after making retarded comments
>"I was hoping for something funny"
Time for bed Billy

>>670470673
people like you

>>670470598
>implying you know how it works in every country in the world

>>670470673
>who is they
Society in general through government legislation you absolute faggot, I now see why that last guy struggled so hard, can you not infer? did that lack of information really make my point impossible for you to understand at all?

Unless your into fucking men with pussys go right ahead

>>670470710
Ok so just you don't know what you're talking about. There are some vague ideas in your head which you like to express but when it comes down to it you don't really know how stuff works.

>>670467886
What the Buck is this?

>>670470761
he's male and he likes dicks, so it's pretty clear his brain doesn't work

>>670470761
No these faggots just really expect us to think it's some kind of coincidence that there's been an explosion of people in the past 5 years that feel like the biological processes that took place before their birth were wrong.

The world is literally going insane and they want us to be okay with it.

>>670470761
You should talk to "democracy and popular opinion" guy here. He seems to think society knows best.
>>670469366

>>670470598
Getting a doctor's approval is as easy as going to a clinic or a nurse practitioner. It took me about two months which was 3 visits for my doctor's letter.

Actually, getting the doctor's approval was the easiest part of my transition.

>>670470735
>implying it is not unanimous in every country except Argentinia and Columbia on a national level
Please leave, at least do your research before trying to use an argument which involves a drop in an ocean, fuck.

>>670470395
Yeah we pretty much say join us for a night, or make it really clear. Although there is one person we regularly do have threesomes with, and who I sleep with on my own and my girlfriend sleeps with him on her own too.

>>670467886

that is a degenerate, that is the only important thing to know about the situation.

>>670470877
I am that guy, and I am saying that to believe that the general populace of the western world are not encouraging more traps is to be delusional in the extreme, just look at the legislature

>>670470902
But it wasn't pay to alter, was it?
>Holy
>fuck
>this
>retardation

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>>670468883
I am mtf trans and I had my birth cert amended and I still have my penis lol

>>670471032
What about serbia? kyrgyzstan? zambia? You know for sure how it works everywhere?

>>670471200
>bribes don't exist
sweet sweet innocence

>>670471200
>let me tell you about how I know this thing you actually did better than you

Okay buddy. I just wanted to help you be less ignorant, but if you're going to dig your heels in, fuck off.

>>670471238
Have you undergone any kind of feminisation? as SRS can include any such surgeries or hormones depending on jurisdiction

>>670471261
>execeptions to a majority now destroy a thesis based simply on majority
Eastern Europe and the Middle East apparently lacks enough data to establish an idea about the national rights of transexuals within many of those countries, but it is beside the point anyways due to above, only needed a majority

>>670471316
>paying an authority to legally alter a document now = illegally bribing a doctor to alter a document
Are you retarded? are you sure you don't want to come with another off the wall situation for me that is totally beside the point of argument?

>>670471341
>let me give you my personal story which is totally irrelevant to the point of dicussion
Attention whore elsewhere m8

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>>670467886

If that person was born with that vagina, it's not gay. If that person was born with a penis, it's gay.

Of course, I wouldn't fuck her. There are plenty of women I wouldn't fuck that actually look like women.

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>>670471927
So then you admit you never actually cared to learn the truth. I love watching people wallow in their own ignorance.

>>670467886

the question you really want to ask is "how sexually gross do you find this idiot and how badly have they probably fucked up their life"

the answer to which is "very"

>>670471652
Just hormones and an orchi

>>670467886
It's a female. It's not gay, but it would be gross.

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>>670472425
You stupid fuck? you reconfirmed the point I was already assured of with a pointless story.
Leave.

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>>670467886
more of an abomination than anything

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>>670472842
Yeah that can be included, SRS is a very loose group of different procedures in a
fair few countries

>>670472975
>resorts to petty insults

You're mad though. Why are you so mad? You should calm down, being wrong isn't the end of the world.

>>670473084
I wish I could afford srs but its like $20,000 fucking dollars cash and I am in merrica so I don't have health care.

To me, it'd be gayer than to fuck a feminine-looking shemale

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>>670473121
And to think I spent this much time wondering why this is so hard for you, I totally forgot you mutilated your own genitals so you could be some half-half abomination, shit I understand now, forget my calls for rational thought, you are right Igor, I am just an idiot for expecting anything better of a lunatic

>>670473180
Shoulda waited and just got insurance first bro

>>670467886
Female but yes it would be gay to fuck that female.

>>670473735
>I'm wrong so I'm going to keep insulting you personally

Right on bud. Keep digging.

>>670473735
>Can't think of a decent comeback.

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>>670469665
i hope this is bait, because I really don't our youth have become this stupid....
I know there are a few dumb asses out there like this, but i hope this is never even close to the majority, , so i think its bait, yea i bit a little.

>>670470489
hate speech is criminalized because it infringes upon the constitutional rights of the people it is directed against.

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>>670473983
>implying there is any need for a serious comeback
follow the thread
>>670470598
I claimed doctors proof was needed for gender change on ID
>>670470902
then this mutilated faggot comes aling with his story, which added nothing to the discussion other than attention whoring, seeing as we had already established that premise
Now fuck off and show off your scars elsewhere, there was no need for that comment, and all this continuation is doing is proving my insults right

>>670474064
gender is binary but sexuality is a spectrum

>>670474411
And also due to the fact that hatespeech breeds more hatespeech?
Do you really not agree with the broken window theorem?

>>670470673
It starts with J

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>>670474479
>Now fuck off and show off your scars elsewhere, there was no need for that comment, and all this continuation is doing is proving my insults right

At least you agree your insults are petty, even if it came after you called me a 'mutilated faggot'

Which is also hilariously wrong, but that seems to be your MO.

>I claimed doctors proof was needed for gender change on ID

Yeah, you did, and you're right, except that getting "doctor's proof" isn't what we were arguing.

Let me clarify why you are wrong though.

First, you said this: >>670468883

I corrected you (>>670470452) and then you shifted the goalpost of your argument to "you need doctor's proof" but a doctor's note IS NOT THE SAME AS SRS.

SRS IS NOT REQUIRED TO CHANGE YOUR BIRTH CERTIFICATE GENDER DESIGNATION (in civilized places)

That is why you are wrong. I even put it in all caps, hopefully that gets it through your thick skull. That is what I was arguing before you tried your fallacy to win the argument. You lose, everyone knows you lose, please go away.

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>>670475562
>is transexual
>is unaware of SRS being an umbrella group of procedures culminating in gender reassignment
So you admit that you undertook feminising procedures prior to getting a doctors note which could be classed as steps towards gender reassignment and thus parts of SRS? good.
This means that you did not infact just pay $36 to change your sex on legal identification, so you were wrong on that point as well.
I am a lawyer, we can go at this all day, doctors are not allowed to let individuals simply choose to be another gender if they have not taken steps towards gender reassignment
I am now done, my insults have hit home pretty well if you are busy rebuking them on an anonymous image board, and you have proven yourself to be an irrational homosexual better than I ever could. You are a self-loathing schitzophrenic who society has allowed to self harm, next they will allow other anons to dig the listening devices out of their stomachs. Enjoy life as a broken remnant of an archeic understanding of sex related mental disorders. I pity you fool

>>670468232
Something about this makes me even more uncomfortable

>>670470395
I'm envious but not emotionally there at all. I mean, it's feels right. Just like fractal hologram theory feels right. And how veganism feels right. I mean, I'm not a vegan but I think they're totally right that their diet is the healthiest human diet. It's just sad that food is really a psychosomatic experience for the majority of humans. Wow, I'm off topic. Sorry, high, weed ayy lmao.

>>670467886
She was a female now it's an it

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>>670470333
dear lord, now THATS a 10/10. i'd happily go to jail if I could rape that ass

>>670469665
>I am right and if you don't agree 'by creating binaru systems' you are a neurotic self-loathing loser
>right or loser

It is all or nothing, to bait or not to bait that is the question.

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>>670476440
>is unaware of SRS being an umbrella group of procedures culminating in gender reassignment

It doesn't matter that it refers to an umbrella group of procedures, my argument is that SRS is not required for changing the gender designation on your birth certificate and IDs

>So you admit that you undertook feminising procedures prior to getting a doctors note

I did not, I took my first dose of hormones with my doctor's note in hand. But again, that isn't what we were arguing about. This whole discussion of a doctor's note is pointless and off topic.

>This means that you did not infact just pay $36 to change your sex on legal identification, so you were wrong on that point as well.

Actually, yes I did. I literally paid $36 and changed my birth certificate from M to F. You are STILL trying to argue about something I did that you did not do-

>I am a lawyer

That explains a lot actually. God help us that we have lawyers in our world as ignorant as you.

>I am now done, my insults have hit home pretty well if you are busy rebuking them on an anonymous image board, and you have proven yourself to be an irrational homosexual better than I ever could. You are a self-loathing schitzophrenic who society has allowed to self harm, next they will allow other anons to dig the listening devices out of their stomachs. Enjoy life as a broken remnant of an archeic understanding of sex related mental disorders. I pity you fool

Words words words words you know you're wrong so you're just gonna keep on truckin' with the retarded insults ayy lmao. You are the most ignorant person I've ever seen on this board, and that's saying a lot.

I really do hope you were lying about being a lawyer.

yes it is gay

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>>670477681
Holy motherfucking shit you are retarded
>I took my first dose of hormones wth my doctors note in hand
and then
>I paid $36 to change my ID
So you just proved me right, you undertook a step in SRS, got the note from your doctor that you have started to undertake gender reassignment, and then changed your ID. I'm then right, it's in the correct order, perfect, thank you. Never step into a court room if you value your freedom m8.
>ignorant
More informed than you apparently, and far better reading skills too, kek.
I can't even insult you any more than this already has, you spent this whole thread arguing just to confirm that I am 100% right at the end. Good job, those hormones have altered your brain chemistry perfectly already.

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>>670478127
I could have gone and applied for the ID change that day without ever taking the hormones. I could have never taken my hormones and still had my birth certificate altered.

I don't understand why that is so hard for you to get. Why you couldn't infer that when I said "I took my first dose of hormones with my doctor's note in hand"

But you keep digging in. You keep being wrong.

By the way, hormones are not part of SRS. SRS stands for sex reassignment surgery (yes, surgery. taking pills =/= surgery) and you actually have to stop taking the hormones before and for a while after. But I should stop schooling you on these things you clearly do not understand. It's only making the anal annihilation worse.

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>>670479226
Yet you still had shown intent to your doctor for undertaking SRS, exactly what I have said all along, he had to know you were trans before he could grant you the change.
Read it an weep m8.

Serious question: Will 4chan ever look inwards at itself?

Like the excessive amount of shemale porn, the large number of trannys that exist here, the regular misogyny now has undertones of latent homosexuality, the fact we haven't a camgirl for ages, the fact that despite 4chan be racist and sexist as fuck we have a tranny defence force, etc, etc ,etc.

I mean, 4chan was gay but never this gay.

>>670480705
I actually told him I'm probably not going to get SRS and he still gave me my note.

Keep trying, keep crying, you're wrong.

>>670467886
that is one fucking ugly chick.
its not technically gay but how you would get it up for this thing is beyond me.

>>670469665
its not strict rules, its just how we define the action, words have a set meaning, that is how we are able to understand each other. If you crash your car it is called an accident, not because of strict rules but because that is what the word means

the reason people are not buying your shit is because you just demand that everyone change their definition, you walk up to a group of people who communicate just fine and demand they use different words, what is the fucking point?

>>670469881
in that case not even that bailey chick is a trap. Or maybe she is in some very few carefully select photos

>>670469881
it's a 4chan word.

People in the real world call all of them trannies or freaks.

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>>670480890
>told him I'm not going to
>has had SRS
>this information only comes to light now
You want to know how I know I have won this case judge?

>>670470132
generally speaking he is true though, I think I see like 200 traps on 4chan who are only into cock before I maybe see one who fancy a chick.

seriously, they are the biggest collective of faggots around

>>670470132
>They don't all like dick.
Most of them do.

>>670481473
I never once said I've had SRS.

>You want to know how I know I have won this case judge?

Entertain me, show me how you're going to attempt to turn this fumbling loss into a win this time. I'm loving how desperate you are to be right on an anonymous imageboard. My friends and I are laughing our asses off at you.

I've never understood why 4chan is so tolerant of trannies.

There's seething hate against women and non-whites, but these faggots are put on a pedestal.

>>670470865
"gender is a social construct" is confusing people a lot more, in general there is just more confusion.

look at suicide and depression rates for people who go through with the operation, the reason they become more depressed is because they can't really change their gender or sexuality, they thought they could because someone lied to them, so they did a lot of therapy and shit, then after some years they just break down.

it will be interesting to see how long that jenner dude lasts, I've seen some recovering traps (trying to become fully male after realizing it was not what they wanted after all) predict a lot of mental struggles there based on how it went for them


for all you that are interested in doing a sex change, check if you can get a SDN test, it will show you what gender you will be most comfortable with

>>670474661
not according to biology, the two are heavily linked

protip: gender studies is not science and John Money failed

>>670481982
because desperate beta faggots in denial can fuck them while lying to themselves enough they believe it

"I'm straight because I'm gargling feminine semen"

it is fun to read about those few actually straight who tried it IRL, how miserable they became and how disgusted by themselves they were.

>>670481982
>faggots

That's why faggot

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>>670481723
>>670470902
>transition
>implying SRS
Also, the fact that at any time you could have brought up this fact to undermine
my argument, and you didn't, which leads me believe that you are changing your anecdotal evidence to fit whatever position I twist you into
Don't get mad now m8, but this reeks of faggotry on a scale even beyond you. I don't need to be right in your eyes, but I stand behind my statements, and I am sure any other anons who can read will back me in saying you have flip flopped your way through this argument, using it as your personal stage in which to defend your transition, when really just sadly ignoring key pieces of my arguments, and now changing your anecdotal evidence to fit your new arguments.

>>670482509
I really don't get the fascination with this show, sure its alright but nothing special?

>>670482938
Have you watched breaking bad?