>>670369064
shut up you blithering zilch

>>670369196
/thread

Damn man these threads are the equivalent of that autistic atheist kid in school always trying to debate everyone because "hurr durr imma intellectual" stfu and die

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Obvious /b/8, but I've got some time so I'll bite.

Where to begin?
would you describe yourself as gnostic or agnostic?
What is your basis of belief?
what evidence do you have to support that belief?
and what evidence would sway you from your convictions?

just saying "im a christian, debate me" is meaningless.
you havent given a subject, a set of conduct codes or even a real starting point.
I believe you are more interested in reaffirming your beliefs than you are in challenging them, which is fine. You are only human.

>>670369064
*tips mendora*

>>670369064
You are a christian, Catholic, protestant, what flavor?

Aganost= edgy
Athiest= edgyest person alive (worse than edgy vegans who think they can make a difference)

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Yeah OP answer this.

I am god. Feel free to prove me wrong. At least try to.

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>>670371527
wrong.
please try again.

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>>670369064
I'm not atheist but I am agnostic. Try to convert me fuckboy.

>>670371983
Why did you make OP a faggot?

>>670372369
Because he should not breed!

>>670371983
Depends on what you mean by god. By definition, anything I consider a higher power is "godlike" but if it's god in the terms of you creating the universe then I cannot prove you wrong I only have the fact that something created you and you are not the all powerful

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>>670372668
Ok I know exactly what you mean. Atheist is not theist right? Meaning anyone that lacks a belief in god is atheist, correct? Thing is, most atheists are usually those who forwardly believe god is not real. There is a difference between believing god is not real and not believing in a god. I do not believe in a god but I also do not believe god is not real. Thereof, I am in the middle. There absolutely is a middle ground and I dare you to challenge me nigger faggot.

>>670371037
To be fair, being an atheist doesn't mean you're intelligent. A smart person woudn't disregard the possibilty of god, but they woudn't see it as being a likely enough probability to pay it any matter.

>>670372629
I am the creator of the Universe. So I am what humans think I am. But you are right, I did not create myself

>>670373753
Hence you have agnosticism. Truth is, atheism is about believing god is not real. Every atheist I see always backs up their claims with fact as if they can visually see it and know it is true. This leads to believing or in some instances "knowing" god is not real.

>>670373504
a/gnostic refers to knowledge claim.
a/theist refers to beliefs.
you can believe that gods are possible without knowing that they exist, and the exact opposite is true but there is no middle ground. it is a true dichotomy that exists in a matrix of belief and knowledge.
see this chart. you probably fall into one of the categories.
>>670371987

>>670373850
Thing is, even if god exists and you are him/her/it none of that fucking shit matters. The universe exists for some unknown reason. This reason can never be figured out and in the end, you having the power to create "things" doesnt mean jack as you are still a being like me in that you cannot ever dream of understanding existence.

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>>670374127
No I am literally in the middle. I don't know how to explain it other than Im AGNOSTIC. Meaning I do not know and I never will. Sure some being can come down from the "heavens" and present itself as god but I don't know if that will happen nor do I know that it wont happen. Tbh, agnosticism, atheism, theism, and any other belief regarding god is just horseshit as we're basing it off of a being, like ourselves. I focus more on the crazy nature of existence. Do you follow?

>>670374438
I created it because it was boring where i came from.

>>670374842
Ok I am trying not to take the bait but where exactly did you come from? Also, am I the only one who sees through the bullshit of the belief system of my race? I mean ffs people dont think these days.

>>670370293
love how this has no replies

>>670370293
>>670375571
samefag

>>670375571
Because OP is a fucking retard. These debates are meaningless. There is literally no proof to show that god doesnt exist or exists

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>>670374826
do you believe in any god?
if yes, you are a theist.
if not, you are an atheist.
you cannot have an undefined belief.
you either believe it or you don't.
you either have a conviction that the existence of god is true, or you are an atheist. it's black and white in terms of epistemology.
claiming to be in the middle is an intellectual cop out.

>>670375731
the only evidence is positive evidence, which no credible source can provide because even the people who believe in god(s) don't know what they're looking for.

>>670375887
How? I was once theist then "atheist" in which i thoroughly believed god wasnt real but now I am in the middle. There absolutely is a middle ground you just cant know until you experience it. What the fuck is wrong with you to say my belief is wrong?

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Dear OP,

Please read the highlighted section of the image.

I've yet to see one Christian who can put forth empirical evidence that God exists. While it's possible we might have been created, or designed by some long forgotten space fairing species, I find it hard to believe in an omniscient omnipotent being in the sky.

>>670376222
Well on the scientific side we have theories and on the faith side we have stories. Both are equally unlikely.

>>670375887
only a sith deals in absolutes, faggot.
i dont personally BELIEVE in a god, but i acknowledge that should such a being exist, there is no way for me to know. the opposite of air, basically. i believe that i have indfinite air, but if someone started slowly removing it from my location i would have no way of knowing, and i acknowledge that possibility

god isnt real xd

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>>670376487
>burden of proof is on theists

This tired meme again...

>>670375209
From another universe i created. But i fucked up a little, so it drifted apart. At some time it was just cold and dark. This one apears to be More stable. At least a bit. But with the human race i have done some real deal. It is quite funny how you kill each other for no good reason.

>>670369064
Idk man, worshipping a mythical creator seems so primitive to me. It's like one of those things that humans are bound to do and grow out of with time.

>>670376723
its not a meme, its how science works.

>>670369064
Life is just a simulated reality. Your God is just a contradiction of himself, meaning that life is just a never ending paradox. Check m8.

>>670375887
Do you believe god doesn't exist?

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>>670369064
The bait is more obvious than the zits you are probably contracting now anon.

>>670376563
Omfg thank you. There are never any absolutes.

>>670369064
If you're going to believe in crap people wrote in a book 2016 yrs ago the I can believe in the force from star wars or magic from harry potter, fight me back , bitch

>>670375887
False. I'm a Christian Atheist, and a legally registered Buddhist. Your philosophy is invalid.

>>670376819
How can you create universes? Are our physics on the right track?

>>670376976
The root of scientific thought comes from Descartes' statement "I think, therefore I am." It seems to be overlooked quite often today, but this statement is entirely arbitrary. There is no reason why one should not amend the base of absolute truths to include God.

Atheists (read: autists) base their entire flawed system of beliefs on the arbitrary rejection of 2000 years of human knowledge. They then expect the rest of us to admit that we are the idiots.

>>670377036
/thread

>>670377318
"Christian atheist" How is that possible?

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>OP right now

>>670375887
I am in the middle too. I'm agnostic.

>>670371987
I fucking hate how this infographic mixed up gnostic and agnostic

>>670369064
Go to a child's funeral. Fins a cute 8 year old girl who was loved and whose death was tragic and violent. You will see parents on their knees, crying like mad people, yelling, screaming, begging for God to bring their child back. Asking to die in their place. But guess what! God never listens. Not once God brought a child back. So you think will hear YOUR prayers? No. There is nothing. No God.

>>670377498
Don't dare question that in which thou cannot understandeth.

>>670369064
that's a funny way of spelling faggot

>>670369064
Alright motherfucker, debate this
2x = 10
XY = 100,000
What is Z?

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>>670369064
All religion is a form of social control. It was created by man to teach an uneducated public basic morals like not to rape and murder. Any other meaning to these stories are utter bullshit.

Debate me

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>>670376424
you cannot have a positive belief that something does not exist until you have all the available data in all possible universes. this is of course practically impossible.
you can only have a positive belief that something actually exists.
you can disbelieve something exists on the basis of lack of evidence, probability, statistics et cetera. basically whatever you want. A "negative belief" is logically invalid.
Perhaps brush up on your philosophy.
take a real hard look at epistemological standards and the burden of proof as it relates to beliefs and claims made.

>>670377801
Funny thing is the Bible never actually condemns rape. Ever.

>>670369064
>several of my fiends
Hah!

>Sage your replies.
>Hide the thread.
>Don't feed the troll.
>This has been going on for eleven years.

>>670375209
Well some of you may be more intelligent, but this is veeeeery rate. Like 5 or 6 in 100 years. So no, you are not the big deal. But keep seeking for answers and Knowledge and one day, maybe you are one of the few people who bring the human race through the next 100 years and let me laugh a little bit more about the rest of you dump ass people

>>670377753
42 obviously

>>670369064
your faith based belief in a deity mean you are technically delusional, but your inability to accept the precepts of science, logic and evidence mean your unable to realise it....

>>670377984
Good shit

>>670377954
All religion is a form of social control. It was created by man to teach an uneducated public basic morals. Any other meaning to these stories are utter bullshit.

Better?

>>670369064
How about, no?

>>670377829
>you can only have a positive belief that something actually exists.
What about illusions?

>>670378081
No need to correct your statement, I agree with you, just thought it worth mentioning since christians call the Bible their sole source of morality

>>670373850
Suck my dick you fag.

Quick question god. Childhood cancer? What's up with that?

>>670377096
again, this is not a logical question.
do you believe adpgfkjajgn does not exist?
it's quite literally the same question.
please refrain from asking questions that include a detractor like "does not" or "can't".
we can only deal with positive claims.

>>670378081
Agreed, and today there is global corporate religion, which adds a few factors like money and power to that equasion of yours. Religion is cancer, bottom line.

>>670377687
LMAO

This shit is so lame.

>>670376487
No one can prove anything about our origins
People who say that are no better off and haven't won anything
and what is God but a superintelligent alien being?

>>670378081
>It was created by man to teach an uneducated public basic morals.
Don't think so. I think it was made to get superstitious answers to natural phenomena. If someone like a charismatic priests claim to be able to influence natural catastrophes then he gains political power. Also for morals but not only that.

>>670377829
I dont need philosophy to know whatI believe and what it's called. Are you autistic or something?

>>670377318
Christian and Atheist are mutually exclusive terms.
Christ is canonically the SON OF GOD.
if you do not believe in God, how can you believe that Christ is his son?
you can't. its contradictory.

>>670378443
Just like your comment.

>>670377975
How could I achieve the godly status that you have?

>>670376723
Your milquetoast is showing.
> Posting a tired meme of pepe tipping a fedora in response to the most logical and easiest rebuttal the most tired meme of them all.
Weak. I'd say that about wraps things up in this thread.
>>670376976
It's like religiousfags don't understand was empirical evidence is. Or quantifiable data. Or any number of scientific disciplines that has led us to be here where are are today; sitting at our computers or smart phones, connected to a global network of data exchange, arguing about whether a god exists. The irony being how many Christians tend to argue how science doesn't have any or all the answers, while being surrounded by the fruits of scientific labor.

topkek

>>670377388
The actually well versed atheists make justas a compelling argument as any religious leader.
So fuck you fagit. Calling these fedora wearing autistic fucks out on their bullshit is equivalent to calling out the overwhelming majority of religiousfags who haven't studied philosophy

>>670377286
The age of a thing has no bearing on its truthfulness, and it is a fallacy to compare it to modern fairy tales based on the fact that it's old

>>670378301
Maybe he isn't a loving god.

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>>670378063
>greentext
>shitposting
>le implying

>>670378624
true i forgot about as an explanation of the unknown or controlling the future. Pleasing the gods for a good harvest and such...either way it still silly and outdate

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I am a muslim and i converted many western women with my hot body. If they don't convert i cry and call them islamophobic. Works 95% of the time.

>>670378325
See, you cant answer the question because you know atheism means the belief that god is not real.

>>670377647
This...

Thread

>>670377498
Christian athiests actually exist. They believe in the teachings of Jesus just not that he was the son of god.

>>670378836
You need to test your will by killing yourself while not losing sight of your objective.

>>670378747
Just like Christianity.

>Christian
>on /b/

Sure, jan

>>670379169
OMFG TRUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>670379178
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww come on man now I know you're baiting.

>>670369064
Pride is a sin, OP.

>>670369064
I saw god myself and he was a fag. So I killed him. I am the new God now, and I say fuck the bible and Christianity. Jesus was a pothead, God told me so. With my power, I say that the new religion is /b. Our first act as a religion will be to kill all the weeaboos in the name of the prophet papu franku

>>670377388
Well, actually "I doubt, therefore there must be a doubter" was the foundation he based his philosophy on, he considered it an unshakable and unquestionable idea

>>670379169
Jesus was just a Jew.

>>670371186
>>670372278
>>670371526
he's an atheist, obviously
are you fags this incapable of detecting sarcasm?

>>670378999
If that's the case, give me a life well lived an ablivion when I die

>>670377374
Yes they are. At some point. You will find out in a few decades. If they don't mess up ;)

I am able to directly convert energy into matter. Also, cause i created Time only as a fundamental element of the physics for this universe, i can create all this energy without it and convert it at a particular point where everything begins to exist. At this point the universe expands. And i did not much else for the next 5 Trillion years

>>670379765
Oblivion ... fuck

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>>670377388
the root of scientific thought comes from Plato's philosophical method, you ignorant twit. Descartes may have been an intellectual powerhouse, but even he stood on the shoulders of giants like Epicurus and Aristotle.
when you generalize atheism, you paint in broad strokes and miss the finer details. Atheism is the rejection of theistic claims.
Theists fail to present valid evidence supporting their claims, therefore atheists do not accept these claims. It's pretty fucking simple.

>>670376723
Whether or not you think an argument is a "tired meme" has no bearing on it's validity.

Red herring fallacy, you fucking LOSE.

>>670379791
what is a universe like without time? If there is no time then how can you think? Thoughts kinda correspond to time.

>>670376534
Theory in science means proven hypothesis

>>670380129
Simulated reality is the hypothesis that reality could be simulated—for example by computer simulation—to a degree indistinguishable from "true" reality. It could contain conscious minds which may or may not be fully aware that they are living inside a simulation.
Source: Wiki.
inb4 my religion.

>>670374068
I do not give cancer to particular people. But i do not care who has it. Most of it it is your fault. 10000 years ago almost nobody has it.

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>>670380074
I only see one loser here

>>670378563
>implying I'm trying to win anything

Once again, prove to me that anything within your description of God is verifiable. You can use whatever adjectives and descriptors you want, but super intelligent alien being is no more provable than calling him a giant white haired Caucasian sitting on a cloud surrounded by winged creatures with halos.

So I'll add a bit more fire to the flame. Read up on an ancient book called Girugamesh, which existed quite a long time before the advent of Christianity. Many historians and scientists believe that it might be the text that the old testament was based upon due to the striking similarities of the story and it's parables.

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>>670379109
"Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities"

this is the first sentence on Wikipedia, the most easily accessible information source on the internet. fucking kill yourself.

>>670380497
/thread

To Christians, what do you guys think about people who have are either spiritual in a general sense or do not care whether God exists or not?

>>670380399
Conscious minds that cant be aware? HMMMMMM

>>670380658
Me and you both fucking know if we asked atheists if they believed god didnt exist they would say yes. KYS

Anyone who thinks atheist and agnostic are mutually exclusive terms doesn't understand what they mean.
People who say "I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic. Atheists are edgelords." are the true fedora tippers.

>>670377640
No, the graph got it correct. You just don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Google both then shut the fuck up.

>>670380129
Your thoughts are. Because you are born into this universe with its physics.
I am not. I can think in any direction of time as long as exists. Without it my thoughts are all there. Everyone to any time.

>>670380762
The rule is to share the word. If you reject, that's on you. It's not our job to force it on you.

You cannot tell people their fucking faith is wrong. You cannot say atheists are right/wrong as you cannot say Christians are right/wrong. Its BELIEF and FAITH. Something that yes, can be challenged, but not disproved.

Idk what you wanna call the fuck I am but I choose to not believe in a god. I dont disregard the existence of a diety because nothing has given me reason to believe or not believe in one.

I dont like to argue faith, I like to debate it. Arguing is so fucking stupid because there is no right or wrong. My strongest point, though, is that if things are inevitably predetermined for people (meaning god knows your life map), why would he allow nonbelievers who choose not to believe because god has not proven himself to them to continue choosing to not believe so they will later be banished to hell. Why would god LET PEOPLE SUFFER FOR ETERNITY BECAUSE THEY THEMSELVES QUESTION HIS EXISTENCE. Like the one guy said at the start of this thread, we're human.

>>670379169
i'm pretty sure these are just jews