>>669464195
Because communist doctrine threatens our freedom to own our own businesses, make money freely, freedom of speech, freedom of expression. There was a reason why perestroika was so celebrated. People hated communism. It just threatens the very nature of our country, that is founded on a specific set of values that we love, that directly contradict communism.

>>669464759
But democracy is just ilusion of freedom
Strong need strong leaders
Not some liberal faggots

>>669464195
ask the 20 million dead Russians that had to be culled during ww2 to help keep the government uncontested and the supplies from running all the way out

>>669464195
have you ever seen a communist country? watched a video on living conditions? Talked to someone who USE TO live there? Seen how long and peaceful communist rule has been?

Theres a reason the Soviets needed walls to keep people in.

>>669465050
They were fucking monarchist
They deserved to die

>>669464195
About 100 million reasons. THat being the number of people communism killed in the 20th century.
See also: Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, Kim Il-sung

Because it devalues the individual in favor of the collective. The usa was founded and upheld with the belief, that YOU can make it. The individual and their freedoms is what America is about. It also has to do with the size of the country. It is hard to think of a collective when you have a thousand miles seperating people.

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>>669464195
Because I enjoy being a selfish prick. When people get mad, I'll just tell them it was the Jews.

>>669465116
i lived in one
One of strongest in europa

Maybe because communism killed over 98 millions?

>>669465359
so far so good

>>669464195
red scare, cold war, etc.
it was the 'big bad' before islamic terrorism

same reason Oceania was battle Eurasia or Eastasia in 1984. nations need an enemy to band together against.

>>669465210
That is why most of americans are either stupid or redneck

>>669465043
Actually communism is closer to liberalism, conservatism gravitated toward free market capitalism in every way. And democracy allows for people to decide what happens with their government, instead of some totalitarian ruler deciding everything. What if the dictator is some sick, cruel asshole? In a communist society, there cannot be a re-election.

>>669465680
Why is that?

>>669465584
if we give communism a good chance we would not have problems with islamic terrorism

>>669465821
How?

>>669465784
too much freedom

>>669464195
Because they've been indoctrinated to do so for decades.

>>669465821
No religion

>>669465987
clearly you've never been here. or if you have, you've been to the stupid states. america is powerful, could bomb the shit out of your eurotrash country in a few hours.

>>669466186
Yeah strong country but weak people
Good for you redneck

>>669466186
ayy lmao

>>669464195
Because look how well it turned out for everyone else.
>inb4 hurr durr that wasn't even communism, it was poorly executed socialism and all that shit
It has failed in a a number of countries before. I come from an Ex-Soviet country. Trust me, shit isn't fun.

>>669465987
So you are...trolling?

>>669466116
uh, wut? an atheist nation is even more evil to islamic extremists than a christian nation. you think ISIS will lay off attacking the west if it becomes officially atheist? banning religion will only lead to more unrest, and from more groups that just jihadists.

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>>669466368
>pic related

>>669466368
>something that has never existed has failed

SHIT M8 U WENT FULL RETARDO

>>669466400
why would i ?
Fuck democracy
It bring my country only pain suffering and false promises

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>>669464195
LIBERTY PRIME IS ONLINE!

>>669466667
>implying america is a democracy
you spelled oligarchy wrong

>>669466667
Like?

>>669466318
what country are you from, might I ask? Probably some socialist hellhole

>>669465243

Nigga, my buddy was born in the USSR. Into a well-off family no less. Said it's total shit, lives in America now, nigga owns like 45 guns.

>>669464195
Because a lot of people spent a lot of time, money and power to make it that way.

Also because the communists proved to be spineless Moscow shills during the Cold War and lost any credibility with the mainstream left. All it took at that point was a few decades of red-baiting to cleanse the left of anyone genuinely interested in class politics.

Name one communist society that has/had a standard of living even close to what we have today. Communism doesn't work because it assumes nobody will ever get greedy or decide they want to keep what they've earned.

>>669466789
More privileges for lower class

>>669466810
Im from ex yugoslavia

>>669466975
Like?

>>669466695
fallout 3 & 4 are shitty games
don't polute this place with this shit

>>669466975
uh dumbass, people are locked in the lower class in communism. they can't get rich. with that, of course they have privelages.

>>669465763
You have no idea what conservatism is or has been historically. The free market was the enemy of traditional conservatives. True, Edmund Burke-style conservatives were as critical of the market during the 60s and 70s as their left counterparts.

The market destroys the family and the traditional social bonds that serve as the glue for our society and culture. It creates commodities out of people and leads to anomie. Nothing is sacred in the market.

Traditional conservatism recognized the importance of family, of enduring values, and believed that a society was an entity unto itself that had a right to exist unscathed, whether by outsiders of rapacious and greedy insiders.

This is what conservatives have forgotten. Conservatives today are a bunch of stupid neoliberals.

>>669466975
Better health care bigger minimal vages ...

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>>669466889
You don't even know what "communism" is right?

I bet you don't even know what's surplus value.

>>669465125
>monarchist
>ww2
I think you mean the russian civil war, that was after ww1

>>669467207
We dont wont get rich
Just as much as we deserve asshole
Try to live here for just one mounth on minimal wage

>>669467193
>shitty games
how so?

>>669467080
somewhere like croatia or bosnia and herz. okay. you live probably in some filthy anarchy society where there is a surplus of orphaned children. America is superior, you just haven't experienced the good parts because all you can afford is florida. i dont blame you.

>>669466857
Most Russians want the USSR back according to opinion polls

>>669467460
Still
We had everything we needed in communism

>>669466889
Capitalism doesn't work because it assumes all people behave rationally, that the information people have access to is perfect, and that the market is always equal and fair.

But we could strawman all day and we wouldn't get anyway. "Communism" is how human beings lived before agriculture. The communism of tomorrow however would look very much different. Small, autonomous, self-sufficient and sustainable economic and political units that meet their needs with application of modern technology for maximum automation and efficiency while endeavoring to fit neatly into their ecological surroundings.

>>669467580
because they're nostalgic for a time when Russia wasn't a waning global power

>>669466318
Lol stop trolling. All euro men dress like they are gay. At least we dont let our illegal immigrants rape our women like your's do over there.

>>669467752
See communism only works if you have slaves

>>669467863
>your's

>>669467271

Nice non response. You can't name one because there's never been a communist society that has worked as it does in theory.

>>669467193
>>669467193
EMBRACE DEMOCRACY OR YOU WILL BE ERADICATED!

>>669467684
yeah because all you need is a run down farmhouse with barely enough food to live. then you go out and plow in the fields all day. then you go home, hopeless. you will live that life forever. if for communism. you wouldnt even be typing.

>>669467790
That's an easy explanation, very simple, very wrong. The fact is that people did indeed live better in the USSR than they did before. Now things are worse than they were in the USSR for most people. Most people in pretty much every country care fuck all about global politics, they just want their lives to improve.

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>>669467964
>Name one communist society
>There has never been one

Surprise, you're as retarded as you seemed at first!

>>669464759
>that we low

speak for your self you brainwashed whiteboy

>>669467263
I see no connection between free market capitalism and the erosion of family and cultural bonds.

>>669467941
They didn't have slaves before agriculture, and it worked alright for them. The main limitation then was nature herself, unbridled and vicious and unpredictable. With today's wealth and technology such an arrangement could easily subsist while also being better for the people in said arrangement than any society in the history of mankind. But in order for that to happen the impulse of modernity, unchecked endless growth and profit, would need to be crushed.

Soon it will crush itself. A finite planet will not abide limitless growth. The survivors will be wise enough to see what really matters, hopefully.

>>669467752
Guess what, life is not fair. The markets are not fair. Capitalism is not perfect by all means, but it does reward hard work and talent. Communism gives spreads resources and wealth around equally (except those in power are incredibly rich), and rewards everyone the same regardless of talent and work ethic.

>>669464195
because most americans today lived through the cold war and saw firsthand how destructive communism is
also a lot of refugees living under communist regimes fled to america

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Yes because this sounds awesome
>hurr not real communism, it was marxist-lenninist bullshit
A Methodist is still a christian

>>669464195
Intelligent, free people dont fall for facism, regardless the codename given to it.

>>669467752

I never said capitalism was perfect, but at least it works and is sustainable.

>"Communism" is how human beings lived before agriculture
>implying independent trade hasn't been a part of most societies through history

>>669468580
Communism is only destructive toward capitalism

>>669464195
why does OP even think anyone would want communism in the US?

>>669468251

Except that wasn't the question at all...

>>669468689
>communism
>fascism
pick one
oh wait you faggots can't

>>669465043
While america is far from true freedom, it is about the moat freedom anyone can get in the world today.
communism is just totalitarianism, achieved with deception, rather than force.

>>669467964
There has never been a communist country.

Ever. Stop talking shit.

>>669468778
Yeah, tell that to the 20+ million stalin killed, or the 50+ million chairman mao killed. They all must have been capitalists huh?

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>>669468527
>but it does reward hard work and talent
>a bunch people steal the labor of the ones that actually work
>the ones who actually work are rewarded with a marginal amount of their labor's actual value

No, it doesn't, and meritocracy is a fallacy. You have absolutely no idea about how capitalism work, and neither about what communism is.

But that's a nice ideology you have there mate.

>>669468335
Look up any Freidman quote on privatization. EVERYTHING on this good green earth should be for sale according to the court philosophers of power. I'm talking power as a structure, not that bullshit horserace we call politics and pretend matters. Both party establishments are neoliberal through and through.

Neoliberalism as an ideology is pseudoreligious. Markets are not best because they work best, but because they are moral. Anything less than a totally free market is tyranny. Totally free markets means children working in sweatshops while their parents cycle between three. It means for profit schools churning out docile idiots for the meat grinder. The market has only the value of profit in mind, nothing else is worthwhile.

I'm only going to briefly make mention of the fact that free markets are a myth and every single large business in history itself has depended on the state and its support to succeed. Big government is the handmaiden of big business, alternatively its caretaker and crony.

>>669468439
>growth must be crushed
>without growth we wouldnt have these technological advances
>implying we can have the same type of governance a group of 100 farmers had 1000 years ago
>implying the farmers didnt have slaves
>implying you could have a government like you are proposing without having slaves (human or robot)

>>669469047
so vote Republican?

>>669465050
>national socialsm (Nazi)
Executed 14 million people for political and religious reasons.
> communism/socialism
Executed 110 million people for political and religious reasons.

>>669468527
What an eloquent response. You really engaged with the content of what I said and told me why you disagree, what with your strawmanning and your hand waving all the problems with your viewpoint I pointed out away.

>>669468949
Whats wrong with totalitarianism
Japan is totalitarianism country and they are strong as shit

>>669468527
>>669468706
>System that has produced more death, poverty and devastation in history
>It works, and it's sustainable!
Were you dropped on your head when you were a toddler m8?

>>669469237
>Japan is totalitarianism country
HAHAHAHAHA
no

>>669468251
>>669469032

Obvious samefag. The question wasn't whether or not communism has existed. The question was has there has ever been a communist society with a standard of living equal to what we have now, and the answer is no.

>>669469065
So tell me how Im wrong on both then. You seem to know exactly what you are talking about. Lets hear it.

>>669468706
>Is sustainable

REALLY NOW? Do you really REALLY believe this? Limitless growth in a world of limited resources is SUSTAINABLE? Fuck you people and your religious attachment to the way things are is goddamn ludicrous. Of all the silly fucking arguments to make, sustainable.

>>669468527
>Guess what, life is not fair.
What's funny is you act like a total nazi when anyone suggests we try to improve our society.

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>>669468235
COMMUNISM IS A TEMPORARY SETBACK ON THE ROAD TO FREEDOM!

>>669468908
Facism, communism, totalitarianism, socialism, are all extreme left ideas, less freedom, more governement controll.
the extreme right would be anarchy.

>>669469147
I'm not even going to try and decipher this mangled attempt at a response. If you have a fucking point then make it.

>>669469349
Because there never has been a communist country. Circular faggot logic.

>>669469406
No system of governance is infinitely sustainable

>>669469512
>all extreme left ideas,
no they aren't faggot
lrn2politicalcompass

>>669469047
That has nothing to do with being capitalist or communist or socialist. Any psychopath with too much power will do the same, regardless of the system they're influencing from.

Neither communism or capitalism works as intended and certainly not justly. People should stop thinking about the world as "black and white", such as communism vs. capitalism and start working towards new solutions. New idealisms.

>>669468778
And anyone who doesnt want every single aspect of their lives controlled.
then those people are liquidated.

>>669469512
This is ridiculous Liberty Institute propaganda and anyone with a shred of knowledge about political philosophy will disregard it.

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>>669469677
>Liberty Institute
Sieg HEIL
HEIL
HEIL
HEIL
HEIL
HEIL

>>669469267

You're right, we should learn from china, cuba, Russia, the know, all those successful and perfectly fair utopian socities.

>>669469595
A system of government is not what we are talking about. We are talking about economic systems. And the one we were talking about, capitalism, is unsustainable. There are certainly systems of economics which could be sustainable. Pretty much anything based on any other principle besides limitless, unbridled growth would be much more sustainable than capitalism.

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>>669469349
There has never been a communist society. Therefore there has never been a communist society with our standard of living which is absolute garbage for 90% of mankind.

>>669469187
Bullshit, the most people starve from communim.
And the ideology for killing people is in communism completly diffrent as by nationalsocialst.

>>669469542
I did make it.
you said growth must be crushed, but without growth we wouldnt have these technological advances you are so wet about. So there is that, also you are saying a system of goverance that ruled maybe 100 people way back when would be able to rule over a million people now and treat them fairly. Also communism needs a working class, just like anything, and that working class becomes slaves because now all they do is work for food and shelter. That is a slave. So communism cant work without slaves.

>>669469849
In one or two decade they will be the most powerfull

>>669470022
Actually no telling how many hundreds of millions Hitler would have killed had Nazi Germany developed the Atom Bomb first.

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>>669465043
Democracy is not an illusion, and the United States is a constitutional republic.

>>669469918
>which could be
Nice

>>669469638
Left = less freedom, more government control
socialism, facism, ect. All work on absolute domination of every aspect of an individuals life, further right is more freedom.
now, granted most republicans say they are on the right side, but they are just as left as dems, just disagree on a few minor points.
but its to give an illusion of choice, poloticians are all floating around the middle of the left wing.

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>>669469375
>rewards hard work
>a bunch people steal the fruits of the labor of the ones that actually work
>the ones who actually work are rewarded with a marginal amount of their labor's actual value, left with barely enough to reproduce their lives and keep working

There u go m8, I know reading is hard.

>>669470095
Faggot they're not even communist countries anymore
>cuba
>most powerful
kekking

>>669469561

Well if you're going to say a communist society has never existed because it has never been implemented exactly as done in theory, then i could make same claim about capitalism when you say capitalism doesn't work. Circular logic faggot.

>>669470183
>Left = less freedom, more government control
citation needed

>>669470169
Someone who gets it

>>669464195
Because true communism never worked, all communist countries have broken with true communist ideals.

>>669470183
>poloticians are all floating around the middle of the left wing.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
no

>>669470254
Except most countries on planet Earth work under a capitalist model. Keep talking shit faggot.

>>669470183
>poloticians

>>669470215
they will be again

>>669469677
>facism
total domination of the people
>socialism
total domination of the people
>totalitarianism
total domination of the people
>communism
total domination of the people

>>669470254
Every country you call "communist" is actually a military dictatorship. Poor example is poor.

>>669469849
Of the one's you mentioned, the only non capitalist country is cuba, which is in turn fucked over by being an island with absolutely no resources trying to be socialist on a capitalist context.

China, and Russia are as capitalist as the land of the free and brave.

>>669470400
>being this huge of a faggot
they're not communist Marxtard

>>669470423
>you
total faggot talking shit

>>669470399
YOU SHUT UP FAGGOT

>>669470068
I said the current paradigm of limitless growth was crushing itself as it ran against the hard limits of ecology and economy. Squeezing more and more out of people with increasing efficiency and automation leads to mass unemployment and sluggish demand. Squeezing the environment leads to ecological instability. Both lead to volatility in the global market. Both show how the way of things as they are today cannot continue for much longer. Technology has nothing to do with this and I really don't understand what your point is in that regard. Technology wasn't driven by capitalism. We've barely had capitalism for a hundred and fifty years, and nowadays the profit motive limits technological growth.

Communism doesn't need a working class. Communism is an arrangement without classes. People are entitled to what they create. Capital, the resource which society creates, is owned collectively and access to it is granted to all.

>>669470577
T H E Y W I L L B E A G A I N RTARD

>>669470573
Actually Cuba could well corner the market in sugar cane production if the US weren't retards about Castro

>>669470623
>stalin
dont agree with me? Bullet to the head
>Che
dont agree with me? Bullet to the head
>castro
dont agree with me? Bullet to the head
>polpot
don't agree with me? Bullet to the head
>mao
don't agree with me? Bullet to the head

And that's repeated by 100% of communist/socialist rulers.

>>669470925
Dubs have spoken

>>669470423
>IF I REPEAT THIS ENOUGH AND IGNORE ANYTHING THAT PROVES IT WRONG PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE IT

>>669470925
NO THEY W O N T
Y O U R A FGGT

>>669470392

Yeah, and that model has been changed and diluted over time, just as the communist model has been implemented, then changed and diluted over time. The difference is communism is far too easily exploited. Capitalism is exploitable too, but nowhere near as much as communism, and that's why most every country uses a capitalist model. It works better and is far more sustainable.

I cannot how Americans equate socialism with communism.

>>669470993
> Bullet to the head
I agree that faggots like you should shoot yourself

>>669470993
None of those people are socialists
They are all faggots like you though

>>669471196
>just as the communist model has been implemented, then changed and diluted over time
no it hasn't faggot
no form of "communism" ever went past the brutal dictatorship state
you're really embarrassing yourself at this point
just stop

>>669471196
>implying capitalism is sustainable

>>669469677
>i am 4 months into my freshman year o college, therefore i know more than everyone about politics, and turns out, what i was told in highschool, left wing = freedom, right wing = nazi is true! But i found out that socialism is the answer! And my world falls apart, while i hold my ears and scream, "SAVE ME CHÉ!" when anyone points out the true political spectrum.

>>669470993
Dude
Americans executed communists during the cold war on the electric chairs
Fuck you hypocrits

>>669471469
says the faggot parroting stormfag memes

>>669471196
>Capitalism
>The grand daddy of plutocracy
>Literally exploitation as a system
>"Not exploitable"

Are you fucking kidding me?

>>669470878
>But in order for that to happen the impulse of modernity, unchecked endless growth and profit, would need to be crushed.
What you orginally said. Growth needs to be crushed.
>but but thats not what i meant
Ok? And yes i understand you are talking about "true" communism. Without the classes, but riddle me this why should i,hypothetically, the doctor who is working 12 hours a day making sure people stay healthy get the same reward as the NEET who does nothing?
>hurr that isnt what i mean
Then explain, because it sounds like that.

>>669471526
>am I being trolled
is the better question

no one could possibly be as much of a retard as anon, not even republicans

>>669464195
Afraid? No, we are amused by communism.
Besides, it wouldnt work federally in the usa. Maybe by state.

>>669471469
do you shit your pants every time you hear a car backfire?

>>669468054

Too bad that shit is never coming back. USSR fell because the system was flawed.

>>669465359
>implying

>>669471383

Whatever, if you want to believe in a theory that, according to both of us, has never succeeded, then that's your business.

>>669471498
Yeah...ones that committed espionage. Like the couple who sold nuclear weapon plans to the Soviets.

>>669471721
I'd love to see the South go communist. Just to piss off the good ol' boyze

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>>669471526
It's a transaction,not exploitation. Your narrative is built upon a false premise

>>669471813
I never said I did, actually. I do believe that it's possible some countries on Earth could have successfully gone communist if not for the USA terrorizing them both economically and through the CIA. See: Latin America.

>>669471815
Dont even start about nuclear weapons
you are the ones who drop the bombs first

>>669471526

Not only did i never say capitalism is not exploitable, I explicitly said that it is. But you probably didn't get past the first sentence of my post because you're a fucking retard.

>>669472024
No you are

>>669471815
you mean those two jews who got tried and executed in a kangaroo court during the McCarthy Era? Yeah real democratic and civilized.

>>669471820
Haha, hey theyd still be fiscally conservative.

>>669472227
They'd reprint all that worthless Confederate money.

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>>669472138
Yup them. I'm not defending that court. BETTER THAN HAVING A GULAG SYSTEM

>>669470260
more government control means heavily restricted or the complete abolishment of gun rights, invasion on your internet and computer privacy, the ability to stop speech that does not fit in their best interest (under the label of 'hate speech' against certain minorities), losing the ability to choose your own doctor (see Obamacare) and living under government healthcare which is a joke compared to the private industry, higher taxes based on how much you make, along with taxes and even more regulations on private businesses, TSA pat downs and illegal searches at airports... etc... etc...

all of which equal less freedom. oh but at least i got my pot and gay marriage! america is great again.

>>669472124
No no you droped the first n bombs on Japan

>>669471958
>Transaction
>You produce 10.
>I take 9.
>I let you have 1.

Nice transaction m8.

>>669472348
>kangaroo court
>gulag system
spot the difference

>>669472350
you've already reached massive faggot saturation in this thread, so no, whatever it is, you're wrong

>>669472421
No you don't understand...I said no you are

>>669472439

>what is communism

>>669472329
> yall comrades take it easy now you hear.

>>669472108
You said that a system which is core is exploitation was "less exploitable" than a system which core is to abolish exploitation.

That's why everyone asked if you were trolling, because that's how retarded you sounded.

>>669472350
You're making the error of assuming what you Americans call "left" is the same as what the left really is.

>>669465043
even fascism is better than that communist faggotry

>>669472350
muh opinyuns
zoz

>>669472585
Stalin dont hurt me

>>669472447
I think the GULAG killed "a few more" people than any US Redscare.

>>669472439
>take
You seem to have capitalism confused with communism.

>>669472625
now folks let's not lose our heads because our People's Hush Puppy rations have been cut

>>669472585
>You produce 10.
>You have 10.

That's communism.

>>669471604
You are deliberately misunderstanding me. How is it that 2 and 2 do not make 4 in your mind? If you have a system predicated on limitless growth, as ours is, and you have a planet with has limited resources, as ours does, how can you not see that this situation isn't going to end well? I'm not saying growth needs to be crushed. The word "need" implies some sort of value judgement. I'm standing back and making a basic observation, not making any sort of value judgement. Capitalism is irrational. Continued support for capitalism is irrational.

As for your second "point," the idea of a 12 hour workday is only necessary in our current system. The fact of the matter is there is enough to go around in terms of wealth. Nobody honestly needs to work 12 hour days in order for their to be enough to go around. But our system isn't about making sure there's enough to go around. Its about YOU making more for YOURSELF. Not being the best. Not helping others. Getting more. Even if that means someday has nothing. Even if that means somebody has to work a 12 hour day, or three jobs, or any of the ridiculous things people go through today because its cheaper to employ one person and make them do the job that four used to do. Not cheaper for society, but cheaper for the shareholders.

Your entire worldview is predicated on falsehoods: that if I work hard I will be rewarded in proportion to my efforts, that my efforts are the primary factor in the quality of my life, and that I am in competition with everyone else to get mine because there isn't enough to go around. Until you can overcome this incorrect worldview you are hopeless.

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>>669472439
Who decides who gets what?

>>669472720
I think you're sucking some pretty fat right wing dick right now with your mockery of justice

>>669472843
So you'll produce all your own toilet paper and food

>>669472350
>Governemnt
>Communism

Are you fucking stupid m8?

>>669472843
No
>you produce 10
>you have potential access to 10

>>669472920
I do. And until you can be less of a faggot, take a seat.

>>669472843
more like you produce 10 and everybody together have 100%

>>669471958
A transaction implies you can opt out. You can't opt out of the market if the entire globe and everything on it is the market. Neoliberal capitalism is tyranny.

>>669473003
so what? Why do you think a few should have everything?

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>>669464195
communism is a german ideology, american continent is like the last chance for violent overthrow and resistance to global fascism.

>inflation up
>soldiers come home
>global militerised hegemony collapses
>america falls inwards into totalitarian shitfest
>revolt or die via poisoning of humanities freedom consciousness

spread of information is the key
start from axiomatic cores

property rights
ludwig von mises & murray newton rothbard
jiddu krishnamurti

>>669472920
On a capitalist society, the state.

Which is the one that fucks you in the ass and throws you in jail if you try to take back the other 9 that you produced, but the owner of the tools that you used to produce them took.

>>669473166
no
I think everybody has to have same

>>669472961
No, because no man's an island.

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>>669464195
Name one country where communism improved the lives of is its citizens with no major human rights/Geneva convention violations.

>>669472927
Good point. Ignoring the gulag and blaming me for being a right wing sychophant prooves your well constructed point.

>>669473380
But not everyone can work the same, I'm pretty fucking good at what I do. I can make 10 in an hour, you, being a retard, can only make 5. So I have 10, and you have 5.

On the current system, I make 10, you make 5, I have 1, you have 1, and the owner of the tools has 13.

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>>669472996
I expect that's what stalin would want...

>>669473380
I can't tell which anon you are:

so you DON'T think it's a bad thing for people to produce a certain amount just to get the job done, and benefit from profit sharing?
Because I'd agree.

>>669473512
More o's makes your point more valid.

>>669464195
Pay more attention in history class next year, kid

>>669464195
1) It clearly does not work
2) It violates the freedoms we have

>>669473512
Doesn't matter. You basically said you were glad the US Justice System made a mockery out of itself in the Rosenburg Trial. I win 10 Internets at least for getting you to admit that.

>>669472961
You produce 10 units of value, whether that's ten units of food or toilet paper or whatever. You are then entitled to that 10 units of value. Actually, if its a basic necessity of life, you are entitled to that anyway. Luxury goods require work credits. Luxury goods are produced on demand rather than mass produced for profit. They are made durable so they will not need to be replaced next year. All goods are this way when there need be no profit.

>>669473661
Yeah, they mean the gulag didn't exist.

>>669468527
Business are Business. You'll never get a reward if they don't have profit. They-----> the bourgeoise Us------> the proletariat

it's a fuckin fact

>>669473640
>stalin
Yeah but I'm not him. You can call me Zozzie.
I won't be so tyrannical, I promise. XD

>>669473605
i said same not equally
One family is small and need 3 breads a day
They will have 3 breads a day
One is big and need 6 breads a day
And they will have 6 breads a day

>>669472913
Actually about your 12 hr workday being a product of our system shows me you dont know how long surgeries take. Also you seem to rhink all rhe resources on the earth just disappear afrer they have been used. Unless the chemical structure has been changed or it has been shot into space, it is still on earth. In a capitalist society, there is a new opportunity for the entrepreneur. In a communist society, enjoy your work as a recycler for which you wont make anything.
And my friend, competition is how the human species has became the dominant force on this planet. To say we need to brush this aside is assine. Do you think we will reach our full potential by just exsisting? If so you are a fool, who buys the deliousion of old bearded fools. Until you realize that humans achieve their maximum potential through competition, you will remain an ignorant supporter of communism

>>669472644

>which core is to abolish exploitation.

Yeah, in theory. Just like exploitation isn't a part of capitalism in theory.

Also stop putting quotes around phrases that im not even saying. I'll give you a pass on "less exploitable" because that was the jist, but it's making you look like a retard.

>>669473831
That prooooooooooooooooooves it then.

>>669464195
OP the question is:

WHO wants communism? Does it warrant enough interest to be taken seriously?

I say no.

>>669473644
yep
Thats is basic of communism in ex yugoslavia

>>669473760
Hey no system is perfect. But comparing a few shitty us trials to the gulag is a little like comparing shoplifting to murder

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>>669473156
You can opt out if you like pal. It's called being a bum, they're everywhere

Read Edward Bellamy's Looking Backwards if you want to know what American communism could look like. Just substitute 3d printing and drones and shit for all the outdated future-technology that they thought we'd have way back when.

>>669467263
Fuck off stupid moron.

>>669473769
>work credits
That isnt "true" communism

>>669469072
Both parties in the U.S are socialist/communist. Not neoliberal.

>>669473166

No, but every man should have a right to keep what they've earned. sharing should be by choice, not force.

Community > communism

>>669474151
Yeah but the fact they can basically put two people to death on flimsy evidence isn't a lack of "perfection" it's honestly engaging in the same tactics AS the Gulag.
You might want to take Uncle Sam's cock out of your mouth for a few posts, take a breath of air, just a thought.

>>669473261
OK but you just stated that you used things of thiers, involving another party. Worker,establishment ,government. Establishment made it so there is something the work with, government made it so you have a place you work at. So it's a cycle,,simple really. pay up

>>669474357
but it need to be a little force form the governent
Because of greedy people

>>669474357
If you're talking about progressive taxation, you're a retard. You are not being oppressed, in fact chances are if you're that butthurt about it, you're probably living large.

The question is: why communism has failed? Go study history, faggots.

Communism requires everyone to comply, otherwise it won't work. And who the fuck would agree to giving up their hard earned valuables?

>>669474708
The Greater Good. Communism would only work if there were a crisis that warranted it.

>>669469187
>>669465043
>mfw amerifags still cant see a difference between communism and dictatorship disguised as communism.

calling late soviet russia communism is like this:
imagine a land where people can vote but there are only one or two parties to vote from and the elected leader of the party can do whatever he wants. What would you call this system? Oh... wait... oops.

Get your facts right and the knowledge of "communism" from books, not bumper-stickers.

>>669474504
And how is that not greedy?

Someone who wants to keep what they've earned is somehow more greedy than a person that wants to take from someone with more than them so they themselves can have more? What?

>>669474382
Your still doing a great job explaining why your utopian communist systems had gulags and "reeducation" camps

>>669474650
>why this system that has never existed in history failed
>go study history

u should take ur own advice m8

>>669473865
Somehow I doubt that...

>>669473869
Life can't and shouldn't be reduced to need. If you can produce 10 loafs of bread, and only need 3, then you should do whatever the fuck you want with the spare 7, likely, trade them for shit you can't produce.

But if WE both only have 1 loaf because the owner of the bread making machine that keeps other 13 that WE made decided that's what we need to live, so he can keep buying bread making machines with the other 13, we don't have many options do we?

That's exactly how capitalism works, and the actually existing socialism tried to extrapolate that logic into a "fair" all controlling state, and that's why it failed, among other reasons.

>>669464195
Because the older generation is extremely susceptible to propaganda, they grew up in the terrifying time during the cold war right after the invention of the atomic bomb, they get all of their information from fox news or the bible. Fear is all that they know.

>>669474983
Because they dont need it

>>669474708
Every society requires everyone to comply to function, retard.

> And who the fuck would agree to giving up their hard earned valuables?

That's exactly what you do when you accept to work for a wage, you COMPLY to GIVE UP part of the HARD EARNED VALUE of your work. Welcome to capitalism, enjoy your exploitation.

>>669475227
Communist.

>>669475015
Communism is a utopia , never existed. Only there was a genocidal dictatorship that killed millions of its own people .

>>669475378

You don't need your internet or the computer you're posting from either. Life in the first world isn't always about need.

>>669474899
How's the weather in mother Russia comrade

>>669475378

that doesn't mean it's not greed.
That's why i have a problem with communism. It fights greed with greed under the guise of morality.

>>669464195
Cause americans are trapped in the 20th century when they still succeded at shit. Coincidently the same time comunism mattered

>>669475873
That's right! See? We can agree.

Ps.- Capitalism has killed more people than the actually existing socialism.

Communism does not bring human , economic or technological development . Only crushes all.

>>669464195
because the US is really good at propaganda, heck they even got people to hate snowden.

>>669476319
>source: my anus

>>669475937
I dont have my own internet
I use my neighbours wifi

>>669476479

Just riding on the back of your fellow man because no matter who works for it everybody gets a piece eh? Should've expected that from a communist.

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>>669464195
why are you such a faggot?
last night your dad came over crying about how he hates you.
apparently you listen to this fag shit all day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBPR5y_v-8Y
asshole

>>669476826
fuck him
he ist fucking bourgeois

>>669464759
True enough, but Americans would do better to fear it less, and have more contempt for it as a failed doctrine. It would then make more sense to them what pundits mean when they say FDR saved capitalism from the capitalists: The kind of system that exists in Russia today, with rule by a few oligarchs through a corrupt regime, is not capitalism, but a kind of extreme plutocracy that borders on feudalism. This is why capitalism, tempered with socialism enough to keep a few rich people from becoming too powerful, and owning the government as well as their businesses, are the most successful countries on a per-capita basis. If you asked any venture capitalist or fund manager whose track record stands out from the rest, they will largely agree with this pragmatic view of capitalism.

>>669464195
Because I already pay $25k a year to the federal government and $10.5k to my State government to support lazy asshole poors and fucking hate it. Why would I want to give them more?

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>>669477123
Did some faggit edit that pic to make more feminine stick figures? They even did a lady soldier.