>>663415196
craigslist
m4m section

Deal drugs

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Marry a Jewish woman

live in a shitty part of town in a shitty apartment with a shithead roommate.

>>663415480
People tell me even with a roommate it's like a thousand a month :s

whos this cummy mummy

>>663415586
look at actual apartments more outside the city.
dont go off what people tell you when it comes to cost because you can just look it up right now

>>663415831
Where can I look? Craigslist and apartment sites seem sketchy because they have a lot of too cheap to be true ads floating around so I feel like it's full of scams

>>663415586
honestly if you are thinking of moving to the city without a job in line and going to /b/ for housing advice, then you arent ready to move anytime soon. stay in your moms basement at least the rent is free

>>663416547
really dude? are you 15? google "apartments in miami"

>>663415586
A thousand a month is lower than average rent...
How the fuck can you not afford 1k a month?

>>663416878
All I could do is like wait tables and bar tend

>>663416734
Sorry, just turned 18 yesterday, never done this before. i don't have a lot of money so I'm terrified of being scammed.

>>663417054
How fucking old are you?!? Why don't you get a real job?

>>663417054
maybe get an education and a real job and grown up to be an adult

>>663417081
youre way too young to be moving to a big city with no job and no idea about life.
big cities may seem exciting but they are usually just shit holes unless youre rich

>>663417172
I shouldn't need college just to get a shit apartment I want to do college later

>>663417439
even shit apartments in cities cost more than a normal apartment in the suburbs. you could afford it technically but youll be living paycheck to paycheck until you get a real job.

I live near long beach. Have a two room apt with a dude I met through cl. rent is 1050$ and we split it down the middle. Shit's out there anon, you just have to find it. I used to live in LA near venice for 750$ with 2-3 other roommates and that was a solid deal tbh. if you don't have the money to pay 1500$ a month of so you better be okay with roommates if you want to live in or around the city

>>663417388
no, i gotta live in la or miami. i gotta take care of my sick grandma and she isn't willing to live anywhere else because she has spent the majority of her life between those two cities

>>663417699
See
>>663417722

>>663417722
How many autisms do you have? be honest

>>663417722
unless your grandma can shell out some money to help you youre going to have to tell her she has to settle for the suburbs

>>663417905
What do you mean? She obviously isn't into like partying lol, but she grew up in miami and moved to la in like the 70s because she wanted to be an actress. didn't work out, but she stayed there

>>663418060
she can't afford to give me money. i can't give her an ultimatum because i was the one who forced her to let take care of her. its important to me she's looked after well and if i insist we live in the suburbs I'm afraid she'll change her mind about letting me help.

>>663418107
the autism part is where you believe you can live in one of the most expensive cities on minimum wage while taking care of your sick grandma.

>>663415311
Dubs speak the truth. /thread

>>663417699
That's all I want I want to go to college later but my top priority is moving out on my own to a city first

>>663418348
i don't want to live there, but she's insisting because she's spent her entire life there.

>>663418320
hope you like crippling debt before you even go to college then
smart move

>>663415586
If you can't scrape together 1k a month for rent, it's time to start sucking dick by the pound.

>>663418107
Your gram is a shitty person if she expects you to live in poverty just so she can go through her end life crisis in a familiar place. And you're a fucking moron if you plan to cater to her whims with no real plan on how to do it.

Nobody wants some jobless, homeless 18 year old dragging his diseased gran with no touch on reality yet somehow manages to call the shots for your life

>>663418699
This.
your grandmas setting you up for a life of poverty thats completely avoidable, because shes too stubborn to move

>>663415196
you should post more nudes.

If LA live in the Valley. I live in a predominantly Hispanic community, pretty quite, and pay just over 1k for a two bedroom.

>>663418107
I'll creampie your grandma a few times a month for like $500 a month. $600 if you watch.

Just moved from Miami to LA. Miami's cheaper to live definitely.

>>663419118
$700 if you're the one who fucks her

>>663418615
I just want to live in the ghetto

=The Pron Chan=

http://10ch.none.pl/

>>663419092
Really that doesn't sound bad? I noticed there's tons of nice rooms for cheap that are all Spanish in the ads. Can I just get one of those? Is it even cheaper in dangerous places?

>>663418484
>>663418699
>>663418896

I know it's a stupid decision financially, but I don't know what to do anymore man. I'm 18, I literally have no life experience, I'm so lost and confused. What am I supposed to do? Just abandon my grandma? She's all the family I have man, I can't leave her in her time of need. I've spend days trying to convince her to move, but she refuses to listen...i don't know what to do anymore...I'm terrified because I feel like i'm stuck in a position where I have to either ruin myself financially or abandon my grandma...

>>663419686
This isn't me op btw obviously

>>663419598
yeah lets take grandma in a dangerous place instead of the suburbs for the same price. Compton has always sounded nice.

>>663419686
I am 18 too. Stop worrying so much. Don't get into debts. If you want, you can get a job to help out your grandma, but don't do stupid stuff.

>>663420039
I obviously don't want to take her to a dangerous place but what else am i supposed to do? stop criticizing everything i do without giving any kind of a solution...

>>663419686
Tell grandma that if you want to be taken care of by you then you have to move to a more affordable area. If she says not youre not abandoning her.

>>663420090
What do you mean stop worrying so much? She doesn't have like a cold or a cough, she is dying...

>>663420232
MOVE HER TO A DIFFERENT AREA
that is the solution

>>663420343
She doesn't want to be taken care of because she's so stubborn, i had to force her to let me. she'll say no if i insist on a more affordable area...

i can't just leave her man, i promised my dad i'd take care of her...

>>663420039
I don't care where I live as long as I can be there

>>663420488
Guys that's not even me

>>663420488
see:

>>663417722

>>663416547
How old are you?

>>663420804
Old enough

Live where normal people live. Stay away from downtown or any area where the wealthy live and you'll be fine. A studio apt in normal lower-lower-middle class LA rounds about 750 a month.

>>663418442
just live with parents dude

>>663420700
fucking idiots in this thread. fine move with your grandma and watch her die for the next 5 years while you accumulate debt.

>>663421010
hardly......

>>663421187
you're criticizing what i'm doing but you aren't telling me what to do. think i'm being stupid? TELL ME WHAT TO DO!

Abandon my grandma? You want me to leave the last family I have after i promised my dad i'd take care of her?

>>663415196
Look for efficiencies in the suburban area. Downtown would be 15 minutes away on the turnpike, and monthly rent would be between 600 and 1000 for a livable apartment.

>>663421067
Thx man I don't need anything fancy like dt or west la just some industrial dump near the projects in some shitty part of the city with 2 hours of a bus route

OP you said you can bartend, so i'm assuming you're 21+...why the fuck haven't you even gone to college yet? people graduate at your age...

>>663421425
see: >>663420343
if shes refusing your care then you arent abandoning her. not sure why you want to ruin your life so for your grandmas dying years. shes a stubborn cunt get over it

>>663421576
he said he just turned 18, wants to do college later.

>>663421534
Thanks man solid advice. What parts of la would be considered suburbs? Is pretty much everything where you're not near downtown a suburb?

>>663421662
I know she's stubborn but i promised my dad i'd take care of her. i can't break my word just because she's being stubborn. it's not even really about her that much i guess, i just promised my dad i'd look after her no matter what

>>663421807
how can he bartend at 18?

>>663421807
That wasn't me but I have 2 years of college done in basic classes but I can't figure out my major and I'm just focusing on life for once

>>663415586
You can get 2 bedroom apartments in Hollywood or 3 bedroom apartments in North Hollywood for around $1500 per month. And that's total, not after splitting costs. Of course, they're not top tier.

>>663421935
he was probably lying about bartending

>>663422052
Really are those rare? I thought it would be like 2000 a month at least

>be talented sports bettor
>make site
>charge for picks

there are other ways, but you should try that one

>>663421959
finish college and then do whatever you want wit the rest of your youth. don't party until you figure out what you to major in. trust me man, you'll regret not going to college at the right age sooooo much when you're older.

>>663421959
okay thats the same as not going to college if you dont have a degree

>>663422134
people don't lie on 4chan

>>663417722
just live with your grandma if you're taking care of her. What you're gonna say "goodnight grandma, see you tomorrow" then drive home while she dies with nobody around

>>663422134
I don't have the certification for it but I'm good at it and want to learn to do it

I'm not the 18 year old with a dying gram I'm op I'm just in my early 20s trying to go to the big city no grandma just a cat

>>663422134

flare bartending, nigga! empty bottles wrapped in duct tape with those little metal things and a handful of different glass types.

>>663421883
i gotta keep my word, its all i have, i gotta keep muh promise to my daddy, even if it means ruining my life

>>663422284
No I'm not doing it to party I can't go to college because that means coming back home on my breaks

If I have my own place my mom works at a uni and I can go to a private uni in any state and if I live in my own apartment I can take classes for free and never come home.

Get it?

>>663422216
They're getting rare in Hollywood, as everyone's trying to gentrify. It shouldn't be too hard to find one in NoHo, if you don't mind having a bunch of Mexican neighbors.

>>663422492
yeah, fuck off asshole, some of us are actually capable of forming relationships with people and sticking to our word. just because you had a deadbeat dad who didn't give two shits about you doesn't mean no one else is close with their dad

>>663422668
are there places not in Hollywood where I can find similar prices?

>>663422655
what's the problem with living at home during breaks? everyone does it...

Miami sucks dick, take it from someone who lives a good life there. The people suck, the traffic sucks, the prices suck, the only good things about it are the women and the parties.

>>663422400
i can't live with her. she literally doesn't have room for herself, much less me.

>>663422774
no i have a father that's financially responsible and doesn't place the responsibility of taking care of his dying mother on a son with no money and a minimum wage.

>>663422936
I hate where I live for a lot of reasons

>>663422944
Try living rural pal

>>663423184
grow up and deal with it you whiny bitch

>>663423184
like what

>>663423347
Fuck off I want to live in a drug ravaged battlefield

OP she's going to die either way just face it. Just tell her that if she really cared about you, she would move somewhere you can afford as an 18 year old. If she's going to complain you shouldn't worry about it. Don't let her ruin your life, otherwise you'll be waiting for her to die so you can get your own life together.

>>663423131
fuck off. she raised him so he had to have her taken care of. he can't do it himself because he passed away

>>663423483
what do you live in Somalia? seriously dude whine more

>>663422836
Honestly, I don't know. I'm familiar with Hollywood because I work here, but I don't live in LA. You might find similar prices in Santa Monica, but it's a bitch to get to Hollywood or downtown from there. Maybe Silverlake. If you head towards East LA the prices start dropping, but with them the crime goes up.

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Jesus Christ guys

I'm op ME not the grandma faggot. NONE OF THAY GRANDA SHIT IS Real. I just want to live in a big city I have no grandmother. Theres is no grandma. I just want to move to a big city and start my life.

>>663423852
Ha I think Santa Monica would be a little too expensive. Would it be simple in noho to bike back and forth and take busses to work and shit like that? I hear noho is fucking deserted and void of anything but I wouldn't mind biking a mile or two.

>>663423899
No I'm OP and I say I need a cheap apartment to suck cock for drug money

>>663423899
thats an even worse reason to move to the city lol

>>663423539
I would honestly leave her if i hadn't promised my dad i would take care of her no matter what. i can't break my word to him...

>>663422774
Have fun living in poverty fag, I am laughing so fucking hard at how stupid you are right now

>>663424296
have fun having no family and no one who ever cared about you

>>663423899
What do you mean? Your grandma isn't sick? Why do you wanna move in with her in miami then?

>>663423899
hope you like ramen, rice, and beans because thats all you will be able to afford.

>>663424627
That's perfectly fine. I'm completely ok with that.

>>663424627
don't mind ramen, rice or beans if it means i can get some japanese, chinese, and beaner pussy ;););)

>>663424735
the fuck did your mom do to make you hate her so much lol

>>663424266
If this isn't bait I just want to tell you he's gone man. And he, in whatever after life you believe in, will know at least you tried. Your dad probably knows she's a stubborn cunt and wants you to keep her away from him as long as possible.

>>663424505
I am 18 also, going to college, have parents who care, have a family, am not whining like a little princess about how I hate where I live for 'reasons' and want to move to fucking miami or LA and live off minimum wage to grant my DEAD fucking dads last wish to take care of a stuck up cunt who doesn't even want you to care for her. Face reality, if your dad was alive would he want you to be in poverty to take care of your grandma who doesn't want your help and to move to fucking la or miami that has a crazy high price of living? You will be homeless in a year, I guarantee it you filthy cuck

>>663424885
pussy in LA or Miami? lol youll only be paying for pussy there, especially LA

>>663424122
I wouldn't call it a void, but it's nothing special. As for biking, it depends on where you're going. There's a few areas that are quite hilly, but in general it's not bad.

>>663424954
Not just my mom but its awful here. The people here and my family are both fuxking horrible. Not only that but I live in a broken down house in the middle of nowhere in the shittiest place in the entire country. There's no public transit no jobs at all the rent is expensive as fuck here and there's nothing to do but sit inside and watch tv.

>>663425233
nah, i can get a ton of pussy without money. i'm dumb as a brick, broke, have no talents whatsoever, hell even my personality is mind numbingly boring, but i can honestly say i'm 10 on the physical attractiveness scale. always been a ladies man

>>663425681
>shittest place in the entire country
just say where you live

>>663425681
Plus yeah my family is abusive as fuck like some bad shit they're evil

>>663425886
the girls in LA and Miami arent looking just for looks. and a 10 in the suburbs in the a 10 in LA

>>663425917
san francisco

>>663426117
kek
i live in fucking detroit and you are complaining shut the fuck up nigga

>>663426075
i'm sure i can get some. i'm REALLY good-looking. i'm socially autistic as fuck, yet 6 girls promposed to ME for prom

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>>663426117
LOL GROW THE FUCK UP YOU LIVE IN SAN FRANCISCO HOLD MY FUCKING KEKS YOU ARE THE BIGGEST BITCH OF ALL TIME

>>663426234
no, you don't get it man. everyone is a tech obsessed nerd here. fucking engineers man, nerdiest people on the fucking planet

>>663426429
see
>>663426499

>>663426117
>my summers are chilly and there's feces on the sidewalks of the Haight-Ashbury
>so horrible

Eat a dick. Oh, wait, you live in Frisco, that's probably your breakfast every morning.

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So how do I live in la or Miami

Maybe even nyc

I literally don't need anything to live just the simplest shit

>>663427159
what's the point in living in a big city if you can't afford to do anything fun...

>>663427159
You really want to start down a path of a shitty poor life?
You'll end up in debt and moving back to your parents in a few years.

Im gonna explain this for people who live in non flyover states real quick.

I currently live in Omaha Nebraska. If you've never heard of it, its a city just shy of a million people. I have lived in both California (Sacramento) and NYC.

My current rent for a 1 bedroom apartment is $500 a month. If this same apartment was in NYC (with a similar neighborhood) it would be about $1200. In Sacramento probably about $800.

Thats why to people from flyover states $1000 a month seems ridiculous.

Way more doable than you think. Just eat less and walk more

>>663427354
Yes to me just living in the city and working as a waiter is the most fun i could possibly have. I cant play video games anymore or anything it's all I can think about

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>>663427159
Don't go down this road anon.

>>663427548
you can work as a waiter anywhere.....
then you can save up and move to the city if you still want.
why leave free rent with your parents to start paying 1000 a month?

>>663423899
Nice dubs but why don't you want a grandma? They are awesome

>>663427548
Done it. It sucks dick fam. Gotta have a better plan.

Also pick a city that is actually affordable and cool.

Portland, Milwaukee, Las Vegas, Pittsburgh, and Denver are some affordable cool cities that come to mind.

>>663427548
it won't be nearly as much fun as you're imagining. its literally gonna consist of you going to work, and then coming home and staring at the TV until its the next day. there isn't going to be adventure or memories or experiences because you cant afford any.

>>663427965
The cities you listed are kinda like cheap chinese knockoffs of real cities

>>663428132
I mean nothing beats waking up in NYC but some of us don't want to be poor forever.

Nope I hate where I live. Paying 1000 a month doesn't sound bad it's just impossible. I don't care if I'm poor as fuck and starving I'm sure I can afford $2 for pizza or a sandwich if I'm starving too much.

OP if you want to have a legit discussion about how to do this email me. [email protected]

>>663426499
You would rather be surrounded by niggers than nerds?

>>663428267
I don't have to be poor forever dumb ass I can just leave when I reach my late twenties and go to some Midwest shit hole that's cheap but I don't mind living in the city and being poor as fuck for a few years

>>663428479
i'm black lol

>>663428557
I still don't see how that conflicts with what I asked though

>>663428267
I don't have to be poor forever dumb ass I can just leave when I reach my late twenties and go to some Midwest shit hole that's cheap but I don't mind living in the city and being poor as fuck for a few years I don't even need tv and Internet and a shit ton of food id just be busy all day

>>663428687
yeah i wanna be around other blacks because I'm black myself...

>>663428402
Do you have a throwaway kik or something

>>663429143
I don't get kik. Thats a throw away email though

>>663428267

fuck NYC, i live in midtown manhattan and can't wait to get out of this shithole.

>>663428778
But most of the blacks in Detroit are niggers. Literally half of the adult populace can't read at a child's level. I just find it hard to imagine, given you're in here, that you will have much in common with many if them. I suppose it is a medium large city so there's bound to be a few cool folks

>>663429275
Damn I don't know how to make an email that doesn't require me using a phone number

>>663429362
Guerilla mail

>>663429351
idc, i'd rather by around niggers than white people. they're so fucking pretentious and annoying...

>>663429362
Hang on. I'll just figure out kik

>>663429539

enjoy the rampant crime, disease, and drugs.

>>663429611
still better than white people

>>663429702

from experience i can tell you it's not. but then again, i'm white

>>663429562
You don't have to use a real name or a real email for it literally anything that says @ and .com works

>>663429611
The worst part is you don't get I love the sound of that

>>663429900

>loves the sound of rampant crime, drugs, and disease

i will never understand you nogs

>>663429900
Why not go to Africa?

>>663429796
yeah, its because you're white. all my life white people have bullied, made fun of and beaten me up just because i'm black. i got jumped twice last year by groups of racist white people i didn't even know. i'd rather be around niggers who atleast wouldn't treat like like subhuman garbage and keep beating me up

>>663430055
see
>>663430193

you don't understand because you're white

>>663429900
My kik is rickrossrickross kik me or whatever.

>>663430193
I'm sorry to say this but they wouldn't like you either. You would likely come across as acting white to them. Have you heard them speak? You would stick out like a sore thumb. I do sympathize for you getting bullied for no reason, if you are indeed telling the truth

>>663430193

you must have grown up around poor white people. i grew up in a rich white neighborhood and the few black kids who lived there were pretty popular because they were exotic/different (in a good way). poor people in general tend to act violent towards "outsiders". i experienced this later in life when i moved to a diverse neighborhood

>>663430552
Maybe you could bash your head against the wall a couple dozen times and kill enough brain cells to fit in

>>663430552
well i gotta take my chances, I'm at the point where i'm going to kill myself if i have to continue being around all these white people who hate me even though i didn't do anything to them

>>663430687
no, i grew up in san francisco. only two black people in my class and they made both of our lives hell

>>663430939

meh idk then, sounds like you just got shitty luck. none of the black dudes ever got beaten up or bullied where i came from. if anything they were treated especially well

>>663430771
Ey can I have your shit then? SFag here too

>>663431129
I'm going to move to a ghetto want to be roomies

I'm op

>>663431210
why would i give me shit to a white person after they drove me out of the city...

>>663431325
Opie is not kill?!

>>663421067
Why avoid the wealthy areas? I'm thinking of moving to a little place in Encinitas (south of la) that's cheap but right in between two million dollar neighbourhoods. Shit's on the beach tho

>>663431129
no, it wasn't shitty luck, white people treat everyone like they're superior to them. why do you think ALL minorities are always complaining about white people being racist. it's obviously not in ALL of our heads. you just don't realize it because you're white.

a couple of weeks ago, a couple of white guys called my grandma a nigger and spit on her in the street. who the fuck does that to an old woman?!?

One of y'all motherfuckers made me make a kik and now nobody is talking to me. It's rickrossrickross

>>663431522
>neighbourhoods
Britbong or ausfag?

>>663431682
Auto correct being goofy

>>663431592

>why do you think ALL minorities are always complaining about white people being racist

because liberals have enabled your shitty whiny behavior of self victimization, honestly i wish all white people were racist so we could just reach a consensus and kick you fucks out of the country or just genocide you.

>>663416547
i live in fucking kendall miami im renting out an apartment for 600 a month wtf is wrong with you

>>663416734
for some reason I read this in the voice of tom segura and laughed hysterically

>>663431592
Really? Do you really want to compare violent crime statistics between the races? You should be grateful you are in this country and not in your mother-land. Your grandma would have likely died a long time ago, and you likely would be malnourished and have a gut full if worms

>>663432014
Self victimization? Are you delusional? How is being jumped twice in one year by racist white people and my grandma being spit on and being called a nigger by random white poeple on the street "self victimization"?

>>663432068
I thought Kendall was separate from Miami? Like ft lauderdale and Hollywood. I noticed west Kendall was cheap as fuck is it dead out there? I wouldn't mind Kendall at all if it was bustling

>>663431331
Im black as the night

>>663432014
/thread

>>663432297
its about a 30 minute drive from miami beach 45 minutes from downtown miami the hotspot for homos and homeless

>>663432232

because your anecdotal experience of being jumped by racist whites isn't indicative of endemic racism in white people. most of the people who do the "jumping" in this country are niggers, and interracial crime in general is vastly black-on-white rather than white-on-black

source: http://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime/

>>663432461
That doesn't sound bad. How's the public transit?

>>663432223
KEK motherland? this is my motherland just as much as it's yours. this isn't fucking europe lol, it's america, it doesn't belong to whites...America has ALWAYS been multicultural, except for the beginning when it was all indians. never ever been a "white" country. hell, the president's black...

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>>663415196
I'm looking atm

>>663432776
I saw a 1br for 340 on that site I don't think they're all real

>>663432694
buses stops take about 30 minutes but honestly id tell u get a shitbucket theres pretty down here and theres an even better Ricer scene

>>663432498
>http://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime/


i'm not OP and i'm not even black (not white either though) but what the fuck do you expect from black people? You enslave them for a fucking century, treat like them like trash and abuse the shit out of them for the next 50 years and then you expect them to be just as well off as you AND to completely forget about the past and have there be no racial tensions? Are you crazy? How could you expect them to do anything other than be as racist as they possibly can against you after the shit you did tot them?

>>663433074

>You enslave them for a fucking century

nobody alive today enslaved anybody, and nobody alive today was ever enslaved (except in africa where slavery still exists in the form of black people enslaving other blacks). i'm irish on both sides, we've been oppressed and invaded and genocided long before blacks ever were but you don't hear me crying for reparations from the british. shit, we were discriminated against in america too. we had to earn our status through sweat, blood, and hard work.

>>663416604
underrated post

>>663432762
Whites colonized this land. They designed and built the infrastructure, set up democracy and a political system, you know, turned it into the country it is today. America has always been multicultural, but these were primarily all European cultures (at least all that were responsible for creating modern civilization). Hence it is a white country.

>>663415586 Hahaha that's insane, I pay about 3k for a 2000 Sq feet house, 3 bedrooms, and with a backyard and hot tub

>>663416878
Nigga are you serious that is a lot of money
Most people don't make more than 20k a year

>>663433364
>nobody alive today enslaved anybody, and nobody alive today was ever enslaved

That doesn't matter. your ancestors were, and wealth AND misfortune passes down generations. your parents were well off probably means you will be too. your parents were dirt poor, it means you will be too.

white people have a massive advantage SPECIFICALLY because black people have a disadvantage. the scale was literally tipped in their favour 2 centuries ago.

>i'm irish on both sides, we've been oppressed and invaded and genocided long before blacks ever were but you don't hear me crying for reparations from the british. shit, we were discriminated against in america too. we had to earn our status through sweat, blood, and hard work.

I don't know enough about britain to comment, but you seriously think you were discriminated nearly as much in america as black people were? Come on, there's no way you believe that. I'm not denying you were discriminated against, but it's absurd to say it's anywhere near the amount as black people were.

>>663433763

>That doesn't matter. your ancestors were

my ancestors were what? enslaved? correct, we were enslaved and starved to death by the british, normans, even the scots up north in ulster. if you were implying that my ancestors were slave owners, you're just plain wrong. my ancestors moved to america two generations ago, long after slavery was abolished. we had no advantage over black people. slavery ended in the US at the same time Irish people were experiencing the greatest genocide in our history that killed 1/4 of our population.

>you seriously think you were discriminated nearly as much in america as black people were?

are you literally retarded? or just entirely ignorant of history? ireland has been getting invaded since the 12th century. 25% of irish people were starved to death in the 1850s/1860s.

>>663433074
Kill yourself. They should be grateful whites have allowed them to live. They should also be grateful they have an opportunity to succeed in society and enjoy all if the commodities and standards of living as whites. Do you think, if it were the Chinese that enslaved them, that they would have these luxuries in China today? Would they even have an existence there? Do you know who has enslaved more blacks than anyone? Not northern or people of northern European descent. It would be the Arabs. In fact, there are mire African slaves today than there ever were in the united states. Your "wisdom" as to why most blacks act like complete fucking animals is so far removed from the reality of things it's embarrassing

>>663433433
Well, let's see.

1) >Whites colonized this land

They literally fucked over Indians to do so...

2) >They designed and built the infrastructure, set up democracy and a political system, you know, turned it into the country it is today

You seriously think the massive slavery system, and immigrants (asians and the railroad for instance) had no part in building the infrastructure? America wouldn't be where it was without the help of black people, asians and indians.

>America has always been multicultural, but these were primarily all European cultures (at least all that were responsible for creating modern civilization)

What are you talking about? How are you blatantly denying massive portions of American history? You're just going to ignore the black slaves, the native indians, and asians workers, the mexican wars, all of that stuff and say it was all white? America's history is COMPLETELY multicultural!

To say a country like Ameirca whose ENTIRE history involves several races and infrastructure required several races to build is "white" is just plain wrong.

>>663433686
>Most people don't make more than 20k a year

kek what kind of third world are you from?

>>663434330
The fuck do you mean "white allowed them to live"? Lol this isn't fucking europe, where white people are nice enough to let others live in their country. america doesn't belong to whites, no ones letting black people live there, it's their fucking home too.

>>663434330

arabs also treated their black slaves like complete shit, castrating tens of thousands of them. way worse than whites ever were to their slaves.

>>663434398

>Whites colonized this land

and the turks colonized constantinople, the chinese colonized taiwan, the arabs colonized north africa, the greeks colonized the mediterranean, etc. get over it. colonization happened. it's too late for everyone who colonized anyone to go back and correct the things that were done.

>America's history is COMPLETELY multicultural!

multiethnic =/= multicultural, an important distinction

>>663433763
All of my ancestors were from Germany and didn't arrive here until after slavery had been abolished you stupid piece of shit. I owe niggers absolutely nothing and have no inherent guilt of what happened to them

>>663434330
Not the same thing as in china, because china is chinese, not multicultural. china = europe not america. you can't say a land is racially yours when you're not the fucking racial native there...

Yeah, the arabs might have fucked them over but so did you. the fact that they did it too doesn't make your actions any more acceptable.

>>663415311
probably the fastest way to guaranteed get a room if you don't mind relinquishing your anus

>>663434897

>because china is chinese, not multicultural

dude china was not a monolithic society until the 20th century, tons of different ethnic groups and cultures existed (and still exist to an extent) in china throughout its history. educate yourself before you try to talk about this shit.

>>663417439
try to get a technical job. you can work at a construction company as a day laborer

>>663434803
>and the turks colonized constantinople, the chinese colonized taiwan, the arabs colonized north africa, the greeks colonized the mediterranean, etc. get over it. colonization happened. it's too late for everyone who colonized anyone to go back and correct the things that were done.


At no point did I say white people should go back. They played a massive role in what America is today, and it would make no sense to say they don't belong here. My point wasn't that they don't belong here, it was that they don't have sole claim to the land, like they have of Europe for instance. It belongs to all races.

>multiethnic =/= multicultural, an important distinction

But america was multicultural too. You're seriously telling me that the Chinese and Mexicans had no influence on the culture? Have you ever been to California or Texas or anything near the border for that matter? Why do you think certain foods are so popular?

>>663434897
How did I when I wasn't even born, and how did my ancestors when they lived on the other side of the planet when slavery was taking place you imbecile

>>663435121
>tons of different ethnic groups and cultures existed (and still exist to an extent) in china throughout its history

Subcultures and subethnicities, yeah, but that's true in every country. You seriously think China has like a large portion of blacks and like latinos for instance? No, they were all mongloids

>>663435334
I was taking about Americans living for several generations.

For you specifically, not trying to sound like a tumblr faggot, but literally white privelege benefits you. You seriously think their is no bias towards white people?

>>663435203

>sole claim to the land, like they have of Europe for instance

europeans don't have sole claim to europe thanks to their traitor politicians, they're facing a massive immigration crisis at the moment. by 2050 there will be multiple european countries that no longer consist of a majority of european-descended people.

>But america was multicultural too.

if you count chinese and mexican food as "multicultural", sure. the language, clothing, legal code, technology, etc. was all european

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>>663435496
I must say you actually had me going for a while anon. Well played

>>663435700
>europeans don't have sole claim to europe thanks to their traitor politicians, they're facing a massive immigration crisis at the moment. by 2050 there will be multiple european countries that no longer consist of a majority of european-descended people.

Which is wrong and I support you on that issue. Your politicians need to stop being pussies.

>if you count chinese and mexican food as "multicultural", sure. the language, clothing, legal code, technology, etc. was all european

>language
Nope, English is European yeah, but the American dialect of English has a TON of cultural influences. A ton of mexican, chinese sort of words. Los angeles, las vegas, these are all mexican influences on the language.

>clothing
Don't know much about this, but I would assume it had other influences other than European, but not sure.

>legal code
What do you mean?

> technology
Again, not sure what you mean. Technology isn't culture. Yeah, most inventions were done by white people but that's because they were always in charge. Take a look at Silicon valley now, everyone's indian or chinese.

What about holidays and customs? Halloween? Cinco de Mayo? So many have nothing to do with white people

>>663436630

>the American dialect of English has a TON of cultural influences. A ton of mexican, chinese sort of words. Los angeles, las vegas, these are all mexican influences on the language.

no it doesn't. "mexican" is not a language, the language is spanish and it is european. it comes from spain. very few of the words that english borrrows from other languages are non-european. most are french, german, or spanish.

>legal code

our codified law is based on traditions that started with the roman law code (adopted by almost all european countries in the medieval era), the magna carta (english), etc. european inventions. the constitution of the US is a distinctly european/white invention.

>Again, not sure what you mean. Technology isn't culture. Yeah, most inventions were done by white people but that's because they were always in charge.

this doesn't make sense. most technological and scientific advances that brought us to the modern age were made by europeans from/in europe rather than chinese in china, mexicans in mexico, etc. which is still the truth today, most scientific advances are the products of europeans or ashkenazi jews

>>663436630
>>663436630
Our legal system is based on British common law.
Halloween has its roots in celtic and christian traditions.

>>663436630

>Take a look at Silicon valley now, everyone's indian or chinese.

a bunch of indian and chinese using white inventions. electricity, computers, and the internet were all invented by white people.

>>663437238
>no it doesn't. "mexican" is not a language, the language is spanish and it is european. it comes from spain. very few of the words that english borrrows from other languages are non-european. most are french, german, or spanish.

Yeah, it's spanish, but the reason it exists is mostly BECAUSE of mexicans. the spanish words aren't because of influence from spaniards, it's mexican influence. it wouldn't exist without mexicans would it?

>very few of the words that english borrrows from other languages are non-european

Just because the language is European doesn't mean the influence was from Europeans. It can be a European language and still be caused by a non-European culture. All the "spanish" stuff in Florida/California/Texas etc. is "Mexican" spanish, not Spain spanish.

>our codified law is based on traditions that started with the roman law code (adopted by almost all european countries in the medieval era), the magna carta (english), etc. european inventions. the constitution of the US is a distinctly european/white invention.

a lot of these concepts were inspired/influenced by non-european cultures when they first originated in europe i would imagine. no way you have massive non-european cultures like the ottoman empire and the moguls without them having any kind of impact on political systems.

>this doesn't make sense. most technological and scientific advances that brought us to the modern age were made by europeans from/in europe rather than chinese in china, mexicans in mexico, etc. which is still the truth today, most scientific advances are the products of europeans or ashkenazi jews

I never denied this, I'm saying the tech scene right now isn't white anymore. it's extremely diverse.

>>663437568
>a bunch of indian and chinese using white inventions. electricity, computers, and the internet were all invented by white people.

Yeah, using them to invent new stuff, just like white peopled used previously existing technologies originating from other cultures to invent their stuff. That's how technology works. By your logic we should discard all of Europe's contribution of the printing press, since it used paper, which was made by the chinese...

Using white technologies to invent new technologies doesn't take away from how impressive it is...

>>663421067

750 a month!? You haven't been here in years or you might have a shitty outlook of what middle-class is.

>>663437542
I can guarantee you that british common law had massive influences from other cultures. you don't have massive empires like the ottoman empire, or the moguls without them leaving an impact on global legal codes.

As for the halloween, fair enough, didn't know that, I thought it came from the mexican one.

>>663438000

>ah, it's spanish, but the reason it exists is mostly BECAUSE of mexicans.

this makes no sense. the mexicans would never be speaking words like "los angeles" if they weren't dominated by europeans and speaking a european language.

>Just because the language is European doesn't mean the influence was from Europeans.

yeah, it kind of does. no european language = no european words = no european influence

>no way you have massive non-european cultures like the ottoman empire and the moguls

dude, the ottomans and mughals are vastly predated by the roman law code, british law code, etc. and the ottomans and mughlas did not have constitutions, they were autocratic/absolute monarchies. we do not borrow from their law code, they borrowed from european laws if anything

>just like white peopled used previously existing technologies originating from other cultures to invent their stuff

that's just a lie. white people did not use existing technologies from other cultures to harness electricity, invent the computer, or invent the internet. it just didn't happen. they were based on previous advances made by whites. unless you have sources to prove otherwise (hint: they don't exist)

>>663425152
This OP. Might sound hard but this is the best advice believe it or not. Your father wanted you to take care of her, in the fine print he most likely meant to the best of your ability. You tried all you could, now it's your adult grandmothers decision to take what you can offer her now without committing financial suicide to live in a ghetto of a city. Your grandmother is probably grieving about the fact that she is going to die soon and that's why she's being stubborn and impulsive. She is also her own individual so she can make her own decisions, and if you don't let her you're not taking care of her, you're trying to control her in her dying years. She's going to do whatever she wants and you should let her, but be there within a reasonable realm of what you can offer to help.

>>663438581
>this makes no sense. the mexicans would never be speaking words like "los angeles" if they weren't dominated by europeans and speaking a european language.

You're missing my point. My point was those words exist BECAUSE of the mexicans, despite it being a European language.

>yeah, it kind of does. no european language = no european words = no european influence

No it doesn't. Yes:
> no european language = no european influence,

but also

>yes european words but no mexicans = very little spanish influence

>dude, the ottomans and mughals are vastly predated by the roman law code, british law code, etc. and the ottomans and mughlas did not have constitutions, they were autocratic/absolute monarchies. we do not borrow from their law code, they borrowed from european laws if anything

I'm not saying that we used their system, I'm saying that they HAD to have had some kind of influence of global systems. You don't have such a big empire without affecting the world.

Also in terms of time, the babylonian, egyptian and chinese empire far predated the romans.

>that's just a lie. white people did not use existing technologies from other cultures to harness electricity, invent the computer, or invent the internet. it just didn't happen. they were based on previous advances made by whites. unless you have sources to prove otherwise (hint: they don't exist)

This is just blatantly wrong. Just of the top of my head:

>Algebra

Invented by arabs, literally named after an arab.

>Algorithms
Again, invented and named after arabs

>Paper
Invented by the chinese

>Gunpowder
Invented by the chinese

>The concept of 0 as a digit
Indians

>The reasons whites survived in America
Because of techniques taught to them by natives

Literally just a couple right off the top of my head

>>663422492
Buddy, you are 18yo and dont know nothing about life. You think hell is where you gi to after death? Its right here on earth buddy. If you dont abandon the evidently sinking ship, you'll regret it until you die of natural cause or until you figure out that sticking a gun up your mouth is better. Promises look good in movies not in real life. If your father was a good person he wouldn't put you in this miserable situation. Survival of the fittest buddy. That the one and only rule. No one can blame you for braking this meaningless promise.

>>663439397

>My point was those words exist BECAUSE of the mexicans

and the mexicans exist because of the spaniards, before european contact they weren't mexicans they were aztecs, mayan, etc. and spoke native languages

>You don't have such a big empire without affecting the world.

of course not, they affected the world in a lot of ways, but legal code was not one of them. the only times they used codified laws they were based on islamic law (which never influenced europe) or european constitutions

>Invented by arabs, literally named after an arab.

arab technology was based on the works of ancient greeks aka europeans, before they had access to greek works the arabs were illiterate goatherders

>paper
europeans did not get paper from china, the chinese did invent paper on their own but so did europeans

>Gunpowder

has nothing to do with silicone valley

>The concept of 0 as a digit

actually arab, not indian, and again they can thank the greeks for introducing them to advanced concepts like mathematics